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 [TOPIC] Garmin nuvifone: it's over (10/2010)
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Jim1348

USA
518 Posts

Posted - 12 févr. 2010 :  05:25:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More Nuvifone details:

http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2010/02/garminasus-n%C3%BCvifone-m10-and-a50-announced.html

The Nuvifone A50 interests me the most because of the Android platform. I really enjoy Slacker Radio and maybe the Slacker Radio Android version will work on the Garmin Nuvifone A50.

I noticed that it lists GPS: Qualcomm GPSOne, Assisted GPS, Aided GPS and standalone GPS supported.

And under Advance Navigation/LBS feature: European maps & POIs, Connected Services2, Indoor location3, Junction view with lane assist3, Where am I?, Where's My Car Parked?, Track Logs & Route Planning.

It looks like that means I can still use the Garmin mapping software while inside a building where I would not otherwise have stand alone GPS signal reception. That could be a handy feature. One article mentions that it does this by Cell-ID and Wi-Fi positioning.

Edited by - Jim1348 on 15 févr. 2010 18:28:20
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 19 févr. 2010 :  12:52:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vs2

Also is there anyway to get a reminder sound for missed calls,SMS. Thanks.



I believe a firmware update released yesterday adds that function.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate
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vs2

11 Posts

Posted - 20 févr. 2010 :  02:47:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote snipped] Thanks but it will not update via webupdater or my dashboard. Do you have a link to it? Cheers.

Stock Asus Padfone 2 (64gb) with integrated Garmin Streetpilot
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 20 févr. 2010 :  15:12:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here: http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=4831

and here: http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=4839

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate
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vs2

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Posted - 20 févr. 2010 :  18:55:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks gatorguy.

That is for the 'Atlantic' version. There are 5 versions:

AT&T
APAC
Atlantic
Sunrise
Poland, Czech Rebublic and Greece

I have the AT&T version and have yet to find a way to update to another regions fimware. I have tried many different ways to update from AT&T to APAC with no success.

Do you know a way? I think it has something to do with the
'garmindevice.xml' doc on the nuvidrive.

Do you have the 'Atlantic' version? If so could you PM and maybe send me a copy of this .xml.

Thanks.

Stock Asus Padfone 2 (64gb) with integrated Garmin Streetpilot
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 févr. 2010 :  22:45:43  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
nuvifone A50 and M10 at MWC : I spent some time at the Garmin booth at the MWC 2010 show in Barcelona last week and was quite impressed by the new A50, sleek form factor (flush screen like the iPhone), very bright screen, Android v1.6 platform but with some 2.1 enhancements like multi-touch with full access to the Android "eco-system" (market for third-party apps) so it's not a closed system like the G60. The Windows Mobile based M10 is less spectacular but is still an improvement over the current models.

Here are some pictures :




New nuvifones : A50 and M10












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Jim1348

USA
518 Posts

Posted - 27 févr. 2010 :  00:20:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is a nice post and some great photographs. Thank you!
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 27 févr. 2010 :  15:11:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
That is for the 'Atlantic' version. There are 5 versions:

AT&T
APAC
Atlantic
Sunrise
Poland, Czech Rebublic and Greece

Do you have the 'Atlantic' version?

Thanks.



I haven't seen mention of the Atlantic version for the G60 yet. Sunrise update was just pushed out a few days ago, so i would expect the Atlantic one sometime soon.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate

Edited by - gatorguy on 27 févr. 2010 15:12:45
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NickH

Australia
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Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  05:45:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've been using a Nuvifone M20 and M10 for about two weeks now and thought that I'd relate my first impressions, both good and bad.

They're not available in Australia yet but I got them off ebay from Singapore.

They are both great phones and also great PDAs, with all the expected office sync things. Apparently it can even automatically switch your phone to silent when you're in a meeting, though I wouldn't know since I avoid meetings where possible.

The browser on the M10 (Opera) is great and the 800x480 WVGA screen makes web browing quite acceptable. The screen on the M20 (VGA 620x480) is a bit to small for my liking for web browsing.

Ok - now to the interesting stuff. The navigation on both is excellent although I have always preffered the IGO navigation (when the Miotac mio had it on their phones).

The brouchures for the M20 says that it speaks street names (TTS) but I don't believe that it does. Maybe there will be a firmware upgrade sometime. The TTS works perfectly on the M10 and of course,
being a Garmin, you can load routable OSM maps onto either of them.

Track logging works on both (but more of that in another post).

Now to the cameras.

The M20 has a 3MP auto focus and the M10 5MP no auto focus.
Like most phone cameras they are both great for close up work, copying documents and happy snaps an videos at parties.

The M20 is like other phones in that landscape shots and other holiday snaps are pretty much useless.

However the M10 (with no auto focus) uses what is called EDOF (extended depth of field) and the quality of it's landscape shots is quite amazing. It even compares favourably with "real" digital
cameras (10MP leica lens etc). This makes the M10 the only true AIO device (IMHO).

Ok - so which Nuvifone am I going to use....

Both. During the week, I don't need the better navigation to get from home to work, or the better holiday camera or the better mobile web browser but I do prefer the smaller dimensions and nicer look
of the M20. It also slips more easily into any pocket.

However on weekend or on holidays, the M10 is going to be an invaluable asset.
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Jim1348

USA
518 Posts

Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  05:59:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the post. Since T-Mobile has announced the Garminfone in the US (Garmin Nuvifone A50), I suspect it won't be long and we will be reading reviews on it soon.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  12:07:03  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the forums and thanks for sharing, looks like you found a nice "combo" ;-) I hadn't heard of EDOF before but it seems like it performs well. Pictures from Smartphones have certainly improved a lot over the years and given some good light my iPhone 3Gs performs reasonably well and it it takes geocoded photos. I know the nuvifone A50 does that (see the pictures above), not sure the Windows Mobile version can too ?

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NickH

Australia
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Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  12:57:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the welcome, gpspassion.

Yes, both the M20 and M10 can geocode their pictures.

From the specs of the A50 it appears that it does not have EDOF. I think this is a real pity since I believe that EDOF is so good that it is the hardware equivalent of a "killer app".

In two years, I predict that you won't be able to give a mobile phone away if it doesn't have this feature.

I have some small problems with the M20 and M10. I've had a couple of "hangs" whilst navigating
so their is probbly a few bugs still surviving in the O/S and firmware.

More annowingly, the track points logs are very intermittant. I've set the option to record "most often" and sometimes you get one second points but very often it will go five to ten seconds without logging a point.

I thought this might be due to active sync's annoying trait of starting itself up at what seems random times, but tests tonight show that this behaviour is inheirent in both the M10 and M20.

I'm used to all my Mios recording points exactly as requested, except the Mio A702 which would record exactly every 2 seconds even if asked to record every second. ( I think Mio hacked it because of poor CPU performance worries, but I'm not sure).
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gpspassion

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Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  13:43:01  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Will need to read about EDOF, would you say it's better than AF in terms of results ? Faster to focus for sure but can't work to well for close shots ?

As for logging, are you using the built-in feature of MobileXT ? Since you can still install third party apps on WM, at least for now with WM6, you could try the good old VisualGPS CE that I used for my GPS performance testing. Sewe is a nice app too and more elaborate : WM Smartphone and PDA Config. Utility - SEWE v0.8 although it's advanced settings only work on SiRF chipsets.

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NickH

Australia
6 Posts

Posted - 04 mai 2010 :  14:42:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BeelineGps on the M20 records perfect logs, so I think the problem is with the software (Mobile XT).

EDOF is light years ahead of AF. I think this issue is so important that I'll say no more for a few days. By then I'll post my first comparison tests, although once they're converted by flickr, who knows what is reality. This weekend I'll try to get some more controlled tests with all cameras I can get my hands on, including an Olympus Om2n.

The EDOF seemns just as good as AF at close up and as you say, no focusing time.

The only drawback, as with all slim mobile phones, is that there is no optical zoom, so if you need to compose that special picure or you are a bit too far away from it, then you still really neead a "real" camera.
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 05 mai 2010 :  01:39:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There's some smartphone apps, like Barcode scanners or others that need close up highly focused images, that may have problems with an EDoF camera.

http://tinyurl.com/2bu9hdu

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