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Kex
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 Posted - 09 sept. 2011 : 03:14:10
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| TomTom HD Traffic now available in CANADA! |
TomTom XL 340S LIVE, GO LIVE 2535M, XL 340TM (RDS-TMC) in LA traffic
Garmin StreetPilot 2720 (worthy, but retired) |
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jonstrong
USA
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Posted - 09 sept. 2011 : 05:46:32
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Kex (fancy meeting you here!) -
Good news indeed! Does Canadian HD traffic work with a US-purchased 2535 M Live??? (this would imply that AT&T Wireless and Rogers actually came to a reasonable agreement with TomTom -- hence my bewilderment!).
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Tomtom Go 2535M Live - & - Garmin Nuvi 755t |
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Kex
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 09 sept. 2011 : 06:30:46
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Jon, I still like to lurk here, since I found most of my initial answers about GPS in this forum when I bought my first (Garmin) PND. I also turned to this forum to complete my research for my second and subsequent (TomTom) PND's.
I don't know if the new service will work across borders, but we have some Canadian members lurking here that might tell us what's going on when the service starts up. It might be working already (as suggested by the Live Traffic map), but we won't know until:
1) Somebody with a U.S. LIVE device travels to Canada, and figures out whether or not it's working there still.
2) Somebody in Canada buys a new LIVE device built for that market, with a SIM card for Rogers, and then travels to the U.S.A. Maybe the GO 1535M LIVE will be the first unit available to Canadians with LIVE Services from Rogers, or maybe they'll start shipping GO 2535M LIVE devices there.
In Europe, it's possible to travel in quite a few countries with different carriers and still use the same LIVE "sat nav" (as those tempestuous Brits call 'em!). With a cell phone in Europe, everything works across borders, but costs increase considerably when outside the country of the initial carrier - such as using a French cell phone from SFR or Orange (for example) in Germany, or vice versa, etc. etc. So it would seem possible that TomTom might find a similar arrangement between carriers in North America. |
TomTom XL 340S LIVE, GO LIVE 2535M, XL 340TM (RDS-TMC) in LA traffic
Garmin StreetPilot 2720 (worthy, but retired) |
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jonstrong
USA
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Posted - 10 sept. 2011 : 03:56:28
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Kex-
This is where I started lurking / reading / learning as well... I'll probably be taking a trip to our Montreal office sometime soon. I've gotten into the habit of bringing my 2535 M Live on the plane for business trips recently...If I remember when my next Montreal trip comes up, I'll be able to test this myself. |
- Jon
Tomtom Go 2535M Live - & - Garmin Nuvi 755t |
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coasterby
Canada
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Posted - 29 mars 2012 : 01:43:20
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| Founds this topic, know that it's a bit dated now, but wanted to answer the question posed above. HD Traffic will not work across the US/Can border, i.e. it will only work in the country you purchased it in. I'm curious about the ability to purchase an additional HD Traffic subscription for the other country, but I doubt it because the SIM card is probably specific to the cell data provider. As much as I love what TomTom is doing with HD Traffic and they are the most innovative in the field, I fear the disaster of the MyTomTom web app will seriously hurt them in North America. Since HD Traffic is a 'community-based' service that depends on data from TomTom users, I fear the service won't reach it's full potential because of this. I would hate for Garmin to have a monopoly in North America (Magellan is dying), but it might be the best way to get the most effective live and detailed traffic service. After all, this is the future of navigation devices. TomTom, get your act together, throw out MyTomTom and start again. At the very least give users access to the unit memory to drag and drop map updates. |
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gpspassion
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Posted - 29 mars 2012 : 11:03:36
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Welcome to the forums.
Bad news on the lack of roaming between the US and Canada, no such problem with the European versions where you can roam across the continent.
As for MyTomTom, I'm afraid it's here to stay and yes they certainly shot themselves in the foot with it (development costs, reliability issues, etc..) ...to prevent map piracy, which you can't fault them for, but I doubt that the people who updated their maps for free in the past because they could, now pay for them, assuming they've moved on to NAV 3 GPS systems.
Their iOS apps seem reasonable popular though so that's an addition source to build good HD Traffic data. |
Discounts and Assistance/Réductions et Assistance (Club GpsPasSion) / Où commencer? |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 13 avr. 2012 : 00:44:24
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TomTom is definitely using some new source of traffic data. A very recent change.
When I looked at TomTom Routes there is an abnormal amount of traffic warnings. By this time of day 6:45 Eastern TomTom users are mostly off the road and traffic warnings begin to wind down and disappear.
Boston looks like a traffic war zone right now as opposed to the normal look of next to nothing for this time of day.
So who are they outsourcing from Google?, Inrix?, Navteq? AirSage? |
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Kex
USA
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Posted - 17 avr. 2012 : 22:51:39
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I haven't noticed any dramatic changes, offthegrid. The service continues to improve incrementally, in my opinion, and is still very accurate (probably more so than ever) despite some surprising omissions on some occasions.
I've found myself hopping off one freeway to take surface streets, then hopping onto another freeway before hopping back onto surface streets after just one exit, and then back onto my original route further down the road. The kind of avoidance I could only have dreamed would be possible just two or three years ago, all while maintaining three minute accuracy for the estimated arrival time.
Accuracy does diminish significantly on surface streets in my opinion, where the calculations may be relying on IQ Routes data more than anything else. Still, overall, I no longer have any hesitation driving into a traffic delay if HD Traffic indicates that this is still the fastest route.
Sometimes I get caught out, though, if the delay gets worse than at the time of the original route planning, and there are no longer any exits available to avoid the growing delay. This can happen if there is an accident that initially causes some delay, but the route is still calculated to be faster than busy rush hour side streets. Soon afterwards, as emergency services intervene, such an accident might cause traffic to come to a standstill, even if it's just for two miles. Two miles at 0 to 5 MPH is still a very long delay, and if there are no longer any exit options from the freeway, there's nothing left to do but watch the estimated arrival time get pushed back further and further.
I'll try and watch out for a pattern of late evening reporting and see if it seems any different from what I have been able to observe in the past. |
TomTom XL 340S LIVE, GO LIVE 2535M, XL 340TM (RDS-TMC) in LA traffic
Garmin StreetPilot 2720 (worthy, but retired) |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 19 avr. 2012 : 02:35:23
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Kex do you have any issues with rebooting?
I like the Garmin 1695 and the stability but I have no doubts that TomTom offers significantly better routing and traffic. |
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Kex
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 19 avr. 2012 : 18:38:26
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| I've read complaints about those issues elsewhere, but no, I have never experienced them on either of my newer devices. |
TomTom XL 340S LIVE, GO LIVE 2535M, XL 340TM (RDS-TMC) in LA traffic
Garmin StreetPilot 2720 (worthy, but retired) |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 20 avr. 2012 : 07:41:19
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| Thanks Kex. |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 08 mai 2012 : 18:27:34
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TomTom is getting new data from Blackberry phones.
There are I believe 15 or so million RIM phones in the US.
http://bit.ly/IZyESq |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 12 juin 2012 : 02:19:48
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TomTom signs deal with Apple to be the default map and navigation provider on the new iOS6 iphones and ipads.
TomTom gets access to millions and millions of probes and gains financial stability by virtue of this deal. |
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Kex
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 12 juin 2012 : 03:00:33
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Really? I thought Apple wanted to ditch Google maps to be it's own map provider. If Apple teams with TomTom, this could bode very well for TomTom itself, and help drive future developments somewhat.
I'm not sure how important the BlackBerry collaboration you mentioned will be. Firstly, because, well, BlackBerry (which I really like) is not exactly thriving right now. Secondly, because I wonder if the information gathered only comes from AT&T BlackBerry devices, not those using other networks. Since TomTom's agreement for providing HD Traffic is with AT&T, I'm wondering if they could have managed to negotiate a deal for just data with the likes of Verizon without having to sell their children into slavery or something.
In either case, the traffic information is pretty darned good as it is, but the main advantage of traffic flow information from mobile devices, in my opinion, is the availability of data in places where most people already "know" where they're going, and don't care to use a navigation device for the journey. It's hard to explain exactly what I mean by this, but I came across a situation recently where a major turn delay could have been avoided simply by taking a longer way around, adding about one or two miles in distance, but shaving fifteen minutes in time probably. It was a case of a small rural road turning onto a very busy, major, homeward bound, commute road, during rush hour. Those wanting to turn left (away from the commute volume) were being blocked by a long line of traffic on a single lane road where nine out of ten cars were turning right (towards the commute volume). Those turning right couldn't advance out of the way of those turning left because of a traffic light on the main road, just one hundred feet away and in the direction of the commute, which kept blocking the flow on the main road when it was red. This in turn blocked those turning right from the minor road, and everyone gets stuck in the same line of traffic, so nobody can turn in either direction. I wouldn't expect most users to bother turning on a navigation device on this stretch of road (they would nearly all know exactly where they're going), but mobile phone data might have saved the day. Those are mostly turned on regardless, hence the advantage of mobile phone data compared to navigation device probe data.
Edit: after a quick search, this article seems to confirm what you're saying. This must be a huge boost for TomTom.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57450800-37/apple-taps-tomtom-for-new-ios-maps-app-data/ |
TomTom XL 340S LIVE, GO LIVE 2535M, XL 340TM (RDS-TMC) in LA traffic
Garmin StreetPilot 2720 (worthy, but retired) |
Edited by - Kex on 12 juin 2012 03:07:26 |
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offthegrid
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 12 juin 2012 : 04:53:24
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The info from Blackberry would be gps probe info not cell triangulation so the data comes from all carriers and that'll be the same with the new iPhones and iPads. Between the 2 deals this is a huge deal for TT. Never mind that they also signed a deal with Samsung for their Bada phones which is smaller than these but shows the direction they are headed.
I agree that this is a huge boost for TomTom and a drop in the bucket for Apple.
Apple eventually buys TomTom. It just makes so much sense. |
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