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 [TOPIC] Google Maps Navigation - Reviews - v6.11.1
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gman

USA
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Posted - 10 déc. 2010 :  17:17:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Google Maps 5 is supposed to hit the Market next week. Google has switched to vector based maps, so no more downloading of large image tiles! The data savings is massive (something like 1/100th the amount of data required). Maps will be rendered locally by the device. This allows the local caching of map data and routing will be performed locally as well. This is a major update!

Watch the stock tickers on Garmin and TomTom next week!

More info here: http://androidandme.com/2010/12/applications/google-maps-mobile-5-will-bring-3d-buildings-and-offline-support-in-a-matter-of-days/

Here is Andy Rubin demo'ing the new Maps on an Android tablet prototype: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqBPW3avYs&feature=player_embedded

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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 10 déc. 2010 :  20:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was wondering about that when I saw that vid a few days ago. The new way of drawing frankly makes more sense. However, satellite & aerial overlays would still require the old method, no?

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gpspassion

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Posted - 10 déc. 2010 :  22:05:31  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, the "satellite" maps or "Street View" pictures won't change, they can only be "raster" maps as opposed to vector maps, but going to vector for "standard" maps is the only way to go local.

I read some stories that GMN 5 would need the upcoming Android 2.3, apparently it's only 2.2 now, good news!

As for "stock tickers" going down, I don't know, not until GMN remains an Android exclusive, and I don't see the point of getting excited about that anyway, TomTom and Garmin made GPS as we know it and enjoy it today possible (and earned big money in the process granted), but no need to diss them now or write them off, they'll figure something out...and there is a topic for those who want to compare GMN and PNDs, it's not black and white -> Lifetime Maps vs Iphone/Android GPS? in the "General Questions and Discussions" forums.

Back to GMN, Google have clearly figured out by now it's the "killer app" for Android, what really makes it stand out versus Apple's iPhone, as Android does not provide a "better" end user experience (different story for the manufacturers of course) and has some nasty quirks like the lack of WiFi AdHoc. No more talk of bringing it to Apple devices, not sure who put the brakes on that promise, possibly Apple at first, now I suspect it would be Google ;-)

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larryc

USA
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Posted - 11 déc. 2010 :  23:25:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was under the impression that Google Navigation for Android (Nav, not Maps) already used vectors. Otherwise it wouldn't be able to easily zoom in, zoom out, changes perspective, etc, as it does today with ease.

Mio Moov 500 / Google Nav Android / Copilot 8 Android
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gman

USA
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Posted - 13 déc. 2010 :  01:45:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@ larryc: Not until v5. Currently, Maps for Android downloads image tiles, just like the desktop version. For example, notice when you zoom out rapidly in Maps on your phone that you'll have those gray squares that fill in as they're downloaded. Those are the tiles. You also have preset zoom levels currently. With vector based maps, you'll be able to zoom to any height you choose.

@ gpspassion: I'm not sure how you read all of that out of my little 'stock ticker' comment. In no way am I dissing the major GPS players in the industry. I've always been a big fan of Garmin's products, including their mobile software. And I think they would even do well on the Android Market, even vs. the free GMN, because of their brand recognition and solid maps. I've never been a fan of TomTom, but I wasn't 'dissing' them either.

I think it's fair to say that the inclusion of offline map caching is a major feature, and was the biggest handicap of GMN vs all other major GPS solutions. With that handicap removed, the incentive to buy traditional PND / GPS software is arguably lessened.

If you'll remember back to OCT 2009, the announcement of Google Maps Nav as a part of Android 2.0 caused quite a stir in the industry, and precipitated large drops (16% and 21%) in GRMN and TOM2 prices. That's the reason I threw out the stock ticker comment. Do I think the same will happen when GMN 5 drops? No, I don't, because the avg stockholder won't know nor care about GMN having offline caching, and the new feature hasn't been promoted. There wouldn't be a noticeable effect on stock prices unless there was a major advertising campaign highlighting the new feature on a major new phone release by a major carrier (and I don't think that's going to happen).

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larryc

USA
224 Posts

Posted - 13 déc. 2010 :  20:58:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[ed]I'm refering to Google Navigation, not Google Maps. I concur Google Maps indeed uses raster tiles, but I am pretty sure that Navigation uses vectors. When using Navigation on my phone, I can zoom in & out dynamically, pan, and change perspective, and it's all smooth. Pretty sure this is done with vectors. ( might be wrong, but the perspective change is the one that makes me think it's vector based.

Mio Moov 500 / Google Nav Android / Copilot 8 Android
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 14 déc. 2010 :  08:23:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know if Google Maps Nav works on a rooted Nook Color?

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Edited by - toronado455 on 14 déc. 2010 08:43:41
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gpspassion

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Posted - 14 déc. 2010 :  08:48:44  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Some smart minds are figuring out a lot of things about the NC at XDA-Dev, the problem is that there is no built-in GPS and no Bluetooth so there's no way to get a GPS position into the NC at this point...there's a theory that the chipset does have Bluetooth, just that it hasn't been enabled due to licensing. It might be wishful thinking and that doesn't mean it can be enabled anyway.

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toronado455

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Posted - 14 déc. 2010 :  08:57:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The lack of a GPS module on the NC is a problem.

Notion Ink Adam is my next focal point. Just wish it were a 7" device.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 14 déc. 2010 :  09:08:35  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty happy with the Witstech A81 as explained in its topic, built-in GPS and Bluetooth to connect to an external GPS, all for $200 shipped, any questions about it, feel free -> [TOPIC] Witstech A81 Android Tablet with 7" screen ;-)

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dcnuvi

Canada
155 Posts

Posted - 14 déc. 2010 :  23:55:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just bought a Galaxy Tab last night. Will be checking out the gps and google maps very closely. I haven't seen any updates yet offered with the new maps yet. Has anyone actually got them and tried them out? ETA for Canada?

Nuvi 2460LMT:Galaxy S Vibrant 2.2: Galaxy Tab: GPSMap 60CSx: Vista: past devices 1490 LMT, XXL540TM,Nuvi760, Nuvi670 & TT920
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 15 déc. 2010 :  06:26:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dcnuvi,

Cool, it will be nice to hear from someone who actually has a Tab. Be sure and post your review in the topic for the Tab! [ED -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=138317]

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gpspassion

93427 Posts

Posted - 15 déc. 2010 :  06:41:21  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dcnuvi

I haven't seen any updates yet offered with the new maps yet. Has anyone actually got them and tried them out?
Not available for me and haven't seen any reports of availability yet.

Good points above about vector maps, must say I'm not so sure now, rendering 3D dynamically certainly seems like it would be a challenge with raster maps, maybe it's a "ploy" to bring the map caching into the picture, there have been quite a few lawsuits over the years with some companies claiming patents on map rendering...doesn't really matter to the end user ;-)

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Dewi

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Posted - 16 déc. 2010 :  19:37:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update now available in the Android Market.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 déc. 2010 :  20:12:51  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the tip, let me grab my Witstech A81/MIDnite...yes available and downloaded, no obvious changes in Maps, fewer "Lab" options it seems, it looks like the previous ones I'd selected are now included by default. Will try navigating later today.

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