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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  16:50:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK. I have to ask. What the heck is a SYNC vehicle? And how would I recognize one?


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danham

USA
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Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  17:23:50  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's Ford's interactive system.

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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  18:14:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And when did it begin being used in Ford vehicles? (we have two Hondas, so apparently no axe to grind here).

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  18:31:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ford introduced SYNC at the 2007 Detroit Auto Show. It first appeared in late 2007 on 12 Ford 2008 vehicles sold in North America. It is now available on approximately 20 Ford Company models.

Here is what Ford says it's all about:

http://www.ford.com/technology/sync/

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2014 Chevrolet Equinox 2LT AWD


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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  19:17:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, didn't realize folks didn't know what Sync was. I just bought a 2011 Ford Fusion SE with it.

Nice System....

(Still learning how to use it :) )

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MLD4

Canada
14 Posts

Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  21:30:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The SYNC Vehicle Health Report is not available in vehicles purchased and operating in Canada. Ford has given no reason why SYNC users are deprived of this feature and GPS in Canada. I own a 2010 Escape Limited.
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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 02 févr. 2011 :  22:13:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I've seen that whine on the SyncMyRide site. Have no idea what Ford is thinking there.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 03 févr. 2011 :  00:45:31  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Seems I'm having problems with my ecoRouteHD module, or rather in the way my 3790T is using it. I still get MPG and Gauges but the distance isn't shown anymore, either when I turn off my engine or when I fuel up. I did see a brief pop-up at one point saying I'd have to recalibrate at the next fuel up. I was assuming it would do it automatically but it didn't. I'll try removing and adding back the EcorouteHD module.

I find it interesting that the 3790T doesn't "know" the distance anymore though even though it's still getting data from the ecoRouteHD module

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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 03 févr. 2011 :  00:58:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not sure where the ecoRoute is getting its distance info. It varies so much from the GPS odometer (in my case). Others here have posted that the ecoRoute gets mileage info from the vehicle computer.

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nullx8

Thailand
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Posted - 15 févr. 2011 :  07:34:51  Show Profile  Visit nullx8's Homepage  Reply with Quote
does anyone know if its possible to use Garmin ecoRoute HD to connect to standard car diagnostic softwares as well ?

basically all need to do this is to create a virtual com port on the PC ... established by the bt link ... but (of course) this basic function needs to be supported by the hardware ..

anyone try that already ?

The only problem with troubleshooting is that sometimes trouble shoots back.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 15 févr. 2011 :  19:11:46  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's a thought, haven't tried it here as I don't have such software. I'm thinking that the BT connection is somehow "secured" though.

I'm still having problems with my 3790/EcorouteHD combo as my 3790T doesn't show any distance information anymore. I couldn't find a menu to recalibrate so I unpaired and paired again, and reentered the MPG info, but it hasn't fixed the problem. Anyone had that before and/or knows how to fix it?

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 16 févr. 2011 :  22:21:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[ed]The Garmin Mechanic App hit the Android Market today. Haven't been out to my car yet to play, but it's there :)


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gpspassion

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Posted - 17 févr. 2011 :  08:49:12  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the heads up, let's see if I can download it on my Android Tablet!

UPDATE : nope, couldn't find it, looked under Garmin (it found me the companion app for the unreleased GTU-10 tracker though) and Mechanic, and MyMechanic. Is there a special spelling?

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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 17 févr. 2011 :  11:59:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try Garmin Mechanic

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 17 févr. 2011 :  16:02:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found it under Garmin with my HTC Evo 4G (Android 2.2).

continued : One limitation that I've found is that the module will either talk to the Android or the GPS, but not both simultaneously.

I've sent a query off to Garmin about it.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 17 févr. 2011 :  17:37:19  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's not surprising as it connects over Bluetooth and you can only connect one device at a time using the same profile. Not sure what does to the data transmitted to the GPS, hopefully the memory buffer we talked about recently can get that data over when it reconnect.

Thanks for the tips on finding it, will try again...as soon as its recharged.

Update - still can't find it, I guess tablets are being filtered out :-(

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 18 févr. 2011 :  15:51:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Reply from Garmin Support:
quote:

Thank you for contacting Garmin International. The ecoRoute module can only communicate with one device at a time. This is not an issue that we can correct, as it is a hardware limitation. I am not sure about the real time statistics, as your speed and throttle usage should still display while recording. What features are you losing?


So, as gpspassion suspected, you can only talk to one device (GPS or Android) at a time with the module. I had seen that if I hit the OBD record button in the app, the real time stats stopped updating.

We'll see what they come back with.

I also asked about the data buffer:
quote:

It did not update speed or anything else.

If the module is talking to the gps for a trip will connecting it to the app get the buffered data or vice versa?


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jp928

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 24 févr. 2011 :  05:22:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only got my 1490t and ecoroute this week. I find the documentation on the gauges very poor - no detail. EG, how do you get the expanded speedo display - cant find it in any manuals? Despite being a metric country (Oz), I would much prefer to see things like manifold pressure in psi, not Bar. I know the car (Subaru GT)puts out lots of data on the OBD-II port thats not listed on ecoroute, but maybe only when talked to by the Subaru specific prototcol. For those who think data like speed and temp are redundant, I say look at discrepancies between ecoroute data and the native instrument - it indicates that the speedo reads high by 6%, and that while the car's temp gauge NEVER moves once hot, the actual coolant temps vary from 83C to 96C. Makes me ask how hot it will have to get before the gauge indicates something is wrong.
jp 08 Subaru gtb 6mt wagon

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danham

USA
7448 Posts

Posted - 24 févr. 2011 :  13:01:22  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
(slightly OT)This is the new version of idiot lights. VW does the same thing with its temp gauge. "Instrumentation without information."

And yes, many cars' OBD ports put out lots of data which generic readers can't use.

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sussamb

United Kingdom
959 Posts

Posted - 24 févr. 2011 :  13:07:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't know how the rest of us will cope ... simply not knowing all these details

Edited by - sussamb on 24 févr. 2011 13:07:48
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danham

USA
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Posted - 24 févr. 2011 :  15:02:27  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, it's a bit like Garmin dumbing down its GPSes. A savvy owner wants to know what's going on inside the device. On a cold morning (it was 12F here today), if I get no heat in the car, I'd like to know if the thermostat has failed or the heater core is clogged or whatever. An idiot light will only tell me if the car is overheating. A gauge artifically "pinned" to "normal" will not reveal a failed thermostat.

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sussamb

United Kingdom
959 Posts

Posted - 24 févr. 2011 :  17:39:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I said, don't know how the rest of us will cope

Edited by - sussamb on 24 févr. 2011 17:40:15
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Carbuff

USA
171 Posts

Posted - 26 févr. 2011 :  17:48:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today I hooked up my 1490 to the Webupdater, and the release notes on V.5.00 were as follows:

quote:
Changes made from version 4.90 to 5.00:

* Added support 'Recommended by Mapa' on extended listing Points of Interest in Israel.
* Added support for mobile safety cameras in Russia and corrected an issue displaying the full safety camera text.
* Corrected several FMI-related issues.
* Corrected several issues with ecoRoute HD.
* Corrected several issues with the Language Guide.
* Corrected an issue that prevented addresses with letters in them from displaying properly when typed in the keyboard.
* Corrected an issue displaying the full text for Safety Cameras.
* Corrected an issue that caused screen flicker on the wide screen unit displays.
* Improved stability.



anyone know specifically, what issues were corrected?

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 27 févr. 2011 :  05:11:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got a response from Garmin today. Not 100% sure I believe it.....
quote:

You can only connect to one device at a time, they do not buffer data at
all. Sorry for any inconvenience. Please reply to this email if you have
any additional questions.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 mars 2011 :  07:28:25  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure what it means...maybe that the buffering indicated in the manual is in fact not there, I for one haven't been able to see it on my 3790.

@Carbuff - no idea, can't remember anyone complaining about specific issues with ecoRoute HD on their 1490.

Currently testing a Dell Streak 7 and I was able to download Garmin MyMechanic, looks pretty nice and there are quite a few features not present on the nuvi interface for ecoRoute HD, such as the detailed diagnostics mode. I noticed some new gauges, Barometric pressure or Air Temperature, but they are inactive on my car.

No screenshots sorry as my favorite android screenshot program (screenshot.apk) only produces black screens :-(

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geezer

USA
144 Posts

Posted - 02 mars 2011 :  20:50:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have driven my car for a day without the 3790 connected. When connected the next day it updated the mileage to reflect the previous days miles.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 mars 2011 :  22:57:54  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting, must be something wrong with my setup then, are you looking at the mileage in the "At The Pump" screen?

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geezer

USA
144 Posts

Posted - 02 mars 2011 :  23:32:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do not remember the screen and I no longer use the module since I've installed a ScanGuageII. Garmins FAQ states that the data is stored on the module up to 40 hours when the GPS is not connected.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 mars 2011 :  23:39:53  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes we discussed Garmin's claim before, still useful to verify it, especially since we can now connect with multiple devices so it's unclear how it works now. Does it track data for multiple devices at the same time? Sounds like it would be complicated, or just for a nuvi then? Let's see what others are finding for the mileage totals.

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 03 mars 2011 :  22:21:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree that the "answer" I got from garmin is confusing in light of the addition of Garmin Mechanic.

Does anyone have GOOD contacts at Garmin about these things?

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gpspassion

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Posted - 03 mars 2011 :  23:47:26  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'll try, but as you may have seen in my CES report, it's hard to get solid information on "details" like that, you'd need to talk to the engineers and there's no direct access to them.

To close the loop on the built-in memory of the module, are you seeing like geeezer the mileage being incremented if you plug-in your nuvi after not using for a day? If yes, is it in the "At the Pump" menu? Haven't seen it in any other place.

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apersson850

Sweden
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Posted - 04 mars 2011 :  09:07:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't have any HD module, mainly because right now, I don't have any car that's compatible with it.
So it's a bit pointless that I ask.

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 04 mars 2011 :  15:54:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's hard to tell, as I use the GPS every day (for traffic mostly). It does seem to be close to what the car trip odometer says.

I haven't played enough with the Mechanic app to know which makes more sense to use. The GPS is easier to see where it's on the dash, as opposed to the phone which is generally on my belt and BT'd to the Sync system in my car. I could see using the app if I had an issue with the car or wanted details.

It would be nice(tm) if Garmin would explain their logic on how a user with both an Android and a Nuvi and the HD Module was "supposed" to use them together.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 04 mars 2011 :  21:00:39  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Indeed! Just to close the loop, the mileage you mention is in the "at the pump" screen?

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LER

USA
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Posted - 04 mars 2011 :  21:42:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes, assuming I haven't used the GPS in another car, which I do occasionally.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 04 mars 2011 :  21:45:14  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ok, thanks, will try to keep an eye on mine and figure out what's wrong with it.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 25 mars 2011 :  23:42:59  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well for some reason the latest v4.00 update set my 3790T straight as far as its interactions with the Ecoroute HD module go (I used to have out of whack mileage) and I was indeed able to verify that data accumulates in the module when the GPS is not connected and transmitted when it's turned on.

I thought it wasn't working at first because it took around about 30 seconds to transfer the mileage (filled up on Tuesday, 30 miles on Wednesday without the 3790T turned on, data retrieved Thursday evening), first time I checked there was nothing, 15 seconds laster 10.5 miles and 30 miles after 30 seconds.

I wonder what took so long because it seems only the mileage gets transmitted (as seen in the "At the Pump" screen), the "Fuel" menu only showing the data accumulated when the 3790T was turned on.

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Carbuff

USA
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Posted - 26 mars 2011 :  15:57:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
^^^ I'd also like to report that the last three fillups with the EcoRoute have been very close to actual calculated value on my 1490 V5.10.

Don't know if that is a result of software changes in the Nuvi (only voice changes were listed in the Release Notes), or the fact that I changed the MPG settings in my unit to reflect the lower post-2007 EPA MPG ratings rather than the more optimistic figures from my car's new car sticker.

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robbiex

USA
218 Posts

Posted - 27 mars 2011 :  22:18:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MMRizio

I have a cheap ELM327 based bluetooth OBDII device in my car, that I use with my PC or smartphone. It gives me similar functionality to what I read in this topic. But I would like to connect it from my Garmin, without buying a new device and swapping connectors.

Does anyone know the technology behind the Garmin device? Has anyone tried connecting the Garmin device from a PC or smartphone? Or even better: Tried connecting the Garmin to a generic OBDII adaptor?

Maurice



Hi Maurice,

I have the same question. Did you ever find out if other vendor's ELM327 based and Bluetooth enabled OBDII devices will work with the Garmin Nuvi series? I am specifically interested in using the ScanTool OBDLink Bluetooth device with a Garmin 2460 GPS.

Thank you,

Robbie

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MMRizio

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Posted - 28 mars 2011 :  13:18:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Robbie,

I never saw a response to my question and I did not find a justification to replace my Nuvi 760 and try myself.

Now Garmin offers an Android application with connectivity to the Ecoroute HD device, I hope more info on the specifics of the connection will become available soon.

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robbiex

USA
218 Posts

Posted - 28 mars 2011 :  19:31:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Maurice,

Thank you very much for the reply.
I sent an inquiry to Garmin and some other forums, but no reply as yet.
An odd twist of fate was that the dreaded engine check light went on this morning for no obvious reason.
The OBDLink Bluetooth interface is due in tomorrow. It will be about 10 days before a Garmin 2460 is available.
One interesting aside is that California and one other state (name unknown) have apparently passed laws that restrict consumer use of OBDII devices.

Best regards,

Robbie
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 01 avr. 2011 :  19:14:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I bought a 3790LMT and the ecoRoute HD module last week and have trouble with the 2 pairing almost every time I start the vehicle. It has worked maybe 2 times out of 15. I can usually get it to connect by messing around with unplugging and reconnecting the module or sometimes by pushing the reset on it. When it's not working it is either showing a solid green light or the 3 green flashes mode. I also tried it on my other car and it acts the same on that car. Is it possible there is a problem with either the GPS or HD module?

Thanks.....Barry
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gpspassion

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Posted - 01 avr. 2011 :  21:19:30  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Definitely not normal as mine connects each time to my 3790T. If you have a bluetooth phone you could try connecting it to your GPS to see if it has issues dropping the connection. If not I'd try to swap the module.

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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 01 avr. 2011 :  21:39:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd check first to see if you have the latest firmware for your 3790.

-speedy
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 01 avr. 2011 :  22:01:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys, now that you mention it the phone connection didn't go so smoothly either. I did update the software the first day I had it and even reloaded it again the other day. I think I will exchange both just to be safe because I think I may have experienced a few glitches with the GPS as well. Glad now I bought local at WalMart rather then online....let them deal with it. I have to say though that Garmin is probably the best company I've ever dealt with on warranty issues.

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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 03 avr. 2011 :  21:23:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
as an FYI, there was an android app update from garmin in the last couple of days,

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Carbuff

USA
171 Posts

Posted - 04 avr. 2011 :  01:03:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Barry, I'd try either updating the software for the 3790 (or reloading it via WebUpdater if it is the current version)

I was having problems with my 1490 since the last software update (V5.10)so I reloaded it. No problems in the one day of use, since.

Garmin Support suggested it.



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mrmaico

USA
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Posted - 06 avr. 2011 :  03:57:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Carbuff, Actually I updated it the day I got it and I did reload it a couple of days after that. I used it a couple of times in my BMW over the weekend and it worked great and now for a couple of days back and forth from work and no problems. Hopefully it's worked out any bugs it might have had.

I have to say though there are some things that make me miss my old 2610. Number one would have to be the remote control. I know you're not supposed to mess with them while driving but who can honestly say they never do that? I was driving with it set to track up and tried to pan ahead on the map and it switched itself to north up (or was it the other way around?) is that normal? I'll just have to get used to the dumbing down of things I guess. Sorry I guess I should be asking this in a different forum.....
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 06 avr. 2011 :  15:26:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also came from a 2610 and sometimes miss the remote. I also miss the ease of changing recalculation methods too.

-speedy
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robbiex

USA
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Posted - 06 avr. 2011 :  17:49:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I finally have an ecoRoute HD Bluetooth interface.
As expected, it is not compatible with the industry standard protocols and cannot be used except with the Garmin listed GPS units.
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 07 avr. 2011 :  01:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Went for a 150 mile drive today and it was still working great. I noticed on the "Trip Information Page" right under your current speed is a small coolant temp graph and in the upper right was a volt gauge.

http://mrmaico.smugmug.com/Cars/BMW-333Ci/77216/1242573775_XEQey-M.png

Sorry if this is a repost, haven't had a chance to read this whole thread yet.

Edited by - mrmaico on 07 avr. 2011 01:47:19
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gpspassion

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Posted - 07 avr. 2011 :  04:58:21  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, the "speedometer" gets modified when the ecoRoute HD module is plugged in, much more data is available on the ecoRoute page though. You can also add instant MPG reading in one of the fields of the map page.

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robbiex

USA
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Posted - 11 avr. 2011 :  23:45:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 2460LMT finally came in. It paired properly with the Garmin HD Bluetooth interface and the engine parameter displays function correctly.

There are two problems.
First, there doesn't appear to be any easy means of sharing the OBD-II data between the 2460 and another device. Possibly this could be done with a serial port server or a sniffer.
Second, Garmin is using a proprietary serial data protocol and the details are unknown.

For those who would like to do Visual Basic programming with OBD-II data that are transmitted from an ELM327 integrated circuit, I can recommend Malcom's OBDApp program. He posted the code on the WWW.mp3car.com forum 9/3/2010.

We have expanded this code and would be interested in sharing it with anyone would would like to test and/or contribute to the project.

Robbie
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  16:36:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd just like to know if I can successfully use a cable splitter with my ecoRoute HD device and still leave a port open for inspections/maintenance.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TMCX72/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1C2436WDJ39HA


-speedy
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mrmaico

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  18:29:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
PER OUR FAQ, PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE IF THE MESSAGE IS DIRECTLY ABOVE. THANKS.



I asked one of the mechanics here at work and his reply was "Good question". I think you'd just have to try it and see what happens.

Barry

Edited by - danham on 12 avr. 2011 18:55:22
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lumis

Canada
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  19:02:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, just got my Ecoroute HD cable for my Nuvi 1690. It works well except for a couple of problems. When you shut the vehicle off you get 2 options shut down the nuvi or have it remain on. The remain on doesn't seem to work for me, it just goes back to the previous screen and shut down is the only option that works. One of the features of the HD cable is that it is suppose to store information when your nuvi is not being used. I drove with my nuvi for 1 hour, same day I took a short trip without the nuvi in the car. The information wasn't updated from the short trip without the nuvi. This was all done on the same day. Is anyone else having these problems?
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  21:45:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I haven't seen that screen shutdown issue. My 1690 either remains on if I tell it to or shuts off if I tell it to. I don't recall driving without the 1690 so haven't experienced the issue of not retaining data.

Are you completely up-to-date on all firmware? One of the things I recall is that the HD device d/l and update when I first hooked it up.


-speedy
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robbiex

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  21:46:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Speedy,

The splitter cable should work for the convenience of providing two sockets, especially if the ecoRoute HD interface is tied underneath the dash.
The difficulty is that OBD-II is a very poorly designed protocol. There is a problem if two external devices are attached to the interface and are active at the same time. The OBD-II system has no way of knowing which of two interfaces sent a command and a reply would go to both of them.
There are possible electronic solutions to the problem. They are likely to be expensive and I know of no currently available hardware.
The Garmin problem is especially difficult because they use a protocol that is incompatible with the ELM327 standard.

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lumis

Canada
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  21:57:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi speedlever and thanks for your reply,
All the firmware is up to date for both the device and cable. do you get the same "engine off " screen and it works for you?

Edited by - lumis on 12 avr. 2011 22:02:07
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Carbuff

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2011 :  23:09:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My 1490 w/ecoRoute asks if I want to shut it down once when the engine turns off and once (later) when the power to the Nuvi is turned off. (I have a Honda with a lighter socket that is off with ignition.)

Sometimes when I keep the Nuvi ON (as at a gas station for example)the ecoRoute will not reconnect when I'm under way again. When everything is turned off, it WILL reconnect.


++++++++++++

Also, I just did a Master Reset of my 1490 (not for an ecoRoute problem) and it has changed the settings somehow.

EG, for a minute or two after resetting the EcoRoute data, the fuel mileage window says "RECALIBRATING" . Never did THAT before.

Also, my MPG display seems MUCH lower after the Master Reset. EG, in the "coast" mode going down my one long hill, I used to see over 240 MPG displayed on the GPS. Now I'm lucky to see 180.

This has not changed the calculated fuel mileage figures I get on the AT THE PUMP screen. Aside from the slight variation in mileage figures, the tank MPG comes out the same as I calculate manually.

The Carbuff
Nuvi 1490LMT w/EcoRoute HD
Quest 2
NJ, USA
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 13 avr. 2011 :  00:08:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also have a Honda that powers down the lighter socket when the engine is switched off. I get the 1690 screen asking if I want to shut down or stay on. The 1690 does whichever option I touch... or shuts down in 30 seconds if I make no choice.

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-speedy
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wigz

Australia
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Posted - 15 avr. 2011 :  12:34:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm seeing some strange fuel consumption figures with my 3790 and ecoRoute HD on two vehicles.

On a 2003 Hyundai Getz, it seems to start out fairly accurate, but over time begins to show lower and lower fuel consumption.

On a 2007 Camry, again it starts out fairly accurate but over time begins to show higher and higher fuel consumption.

In each case, the values seem to change slightly each time I enter the "at the pump" details. The "at the pump" calculation is correct (as you would expect), but I then start seeing a change in the calculated real-time and trip values.

For trips to work, the Camry normally gives around 8.6 l/100km but the nuvi was showing averages around 11.5 before I reset the vehicle profile. After the reset it is again matching the actual figure. This is all under fairly similar driving conditions.

Has anyone else seen this?
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gpspassion

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Posted - 17 avr. 2011 :  14:21:49  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What screens are you looking at? The fuel consumption graphs and the summary that pops up when the power to the GPS is cut? I don't find the former very readable, the latter is better but I haven't checked it for consistency. Same goes for the instant MPG reading. As long as the mileage shown in the "At the Pump" screen is correct the rest should be ok...but the fact you need to input city/highway mileage raises some questions as to how they do the math.

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wigz

Australia
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Posted - 17 avr. 2011 :  14:35:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All displays seem fairly consistent. The ecoRoute Fuel Economy display, the Mileage report and the instant consumption display seem reasonable consistent, but do gradually vary from the "at the pump" update figure. The "at the pump" calculation is about what I would expect, but the nuvi calculated values seem to diverge more with each top-up where I would expect the opposite. I'm not absolutely sure as it takes a few weeks for the difference to be noticeable. I'm going to be watching it more carefully.
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hpatlik

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Posted - 18 avr. 2011 :  05:44:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does the Ecoroute not display litres/100km when in metric mode? I just ordered one and assumed that it gives mpg for miles and l/100 km for km.

Thanks

HP
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wigz

Australia
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Posted - 19 avr. 2011 :  12:05:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The display is in whatever units your nuvi is set to.
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synomenon

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Posted - 25 juin 2011 :  11:48:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure if it's my car or the ecoRoute HD module, but the thing won't stay connected / powered on.

As soon as I connect it to my car's OBDII port, it starts flashing green (even if my key is not inserted into the car). It connects to my nuLink 1695 (sold blue light) then connects to the car (solid green light), but after awhile, the module just goes dead (no lights at all). I have to unplug from the OBDII port then plug it back in and it starts the connection process with the nuLink 1695 and car again. Then after awhile it dies again.
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 25 juin 2011 :  12:22:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My ecoRoute HD has been rock-solid with my 1690. What does Garmin support have to say? Is your 1695 firmware updated? Done a hard reset? Assuming your car is not on the unapproved list, the pattern of failure you report should be a good indicator to tech support.

-speedy
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robbiex

USA
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Posted - 25 juin 2011 :  16:10:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We are using the EcoRoute HD with a 1997 Jaguar and a 2005 diesel Mercedes. The HD works reliably with the Jaguar, but function is erratic on the Mercedes.
The connector is a nightmare starting with the fact that you have to stand on your head in order to see the under the dash receptacle. The pig tail is too short, the connector doesn't have positive locking and there is no easy way to secure the unit. Resetting is required on the Mercedes and it is difficult to reach the button.

The display is very poorly designed. Screen space is wasted on the analog displays. It would be far better to have a combination of bar graphs and numeric displays. The software doesn't handle a number of important parameters. There is no easy way to switch from engine monitoring to the map.

Most of the OBD-II devices use an indirect and very inaccurate means of computing fuel flow. A far better approach is to obtain fuel flow information from a Floscan or similar sensor. Also, oil pressure, an important variable, is typically unavailable.

Finally, Garmin doesn't provide an easy means for adding third party software and their Bluetooth transmitted protocols are not industry standard. The Bluetooth device is thus not compatible with other
OBD-II software.


The ability to display diagnostic codes and to reset the dreaded engine check light are fantastic features. Garmin, unfortunately, didn't implement translation of the codes to natural language.

One possible alternative might be to use an industry standard Bluetooth OBD-II transceiver with a Magellan GPS which can be utilized with third party software.
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danham

USA
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Posted - 25 juin 2011 :  17:04:00  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Modern Diesels use a lot of proprietary codes (at least I know my VW does) -- see ross-tech.com to get an idea of how much it costs to produce an OBD device and software which can do all the things you mention.

-dan

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  05:11:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

You can also add instant MPG reading in one of the fields of the map page.



I installed the ecoRoute HD in my VW today and paired it with the 3790. All seems to be working as expected except I don't see any way to show instant MPG on the map screen. I've read that it should be an option by pressing the Arrival icon in Standard data mode and as an option available in More Data mode (as gpspassion notes above). All I can see is Average MPG using the Fuel Economy icon under Tools - ecoRoutes.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  05:30:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently did a hard reset on my 1690 after a recent map update and lost the fuel economy field even though the GPS said the HD device was connected. I deleted the connection and re-established the connection and got my fuel economy field back. Maybe that would work for you.

On the 1690, I have 4 fields on the side. Any field but the speed field can be changed to something else, the fuel economy field being one of the choices along with elevation, eta, distance remaining, etc.

-speedy

Edited by - speedlever on 26 août 2011 05:38:14
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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  06:00:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 3790 is the same layout but there is no fuel economy field listed. The selectable items are the same whether the ecoRoute HD is active or not.

I'll try the delete the connection and reconnect to see if that helps. Thanks

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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  06:07:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FE didn't even show as a choice after the hard reset until I deleted and re-established the HD connection. Stray electrons...~.

-speedy

Edited by - speedlever on 26 août 2011 14:35:55
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danham

USA
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  11:53:19  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@Rick:

It may be because the number is too large to fit the display [grin]. As we begin hurricane preparations here, i like having 600 miles worth in the tank.

-dan

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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  13:48:14  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's a thought but I've seen numbers up to 121mpg going down steep hills on the motorwary ;-)

I'd try speedlever's suggestion as the field is available on my 3790.

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  16:00:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It sounds better here when it's almost 1000 in the tank. Kilometers of course.

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LER

USA
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  16:56:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I've seen 150MPG coasting or on hills in my Fusion.

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  18:50:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

The 3790 is the same layout but there is no fuel economy field listed. The selectable items are the same whether the ecoRoute HD is active or not.

I'll try the delete the connection and reconnect to see if that helps. Thanks



I've just about come to the conclusion that the fuel economy field isn't available to me as my VW TDI isn't putting out the information needed.

I've now setup the ecoRoute HD on both the 3790 and 1695 and can't get the FE field on either of the Nuvi's.

Dan, any wisdom about the VW TDI outputting this information?

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danham

USA
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Posted - 26 août 2011 :  19:31:44  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just semi-informed guesses. VW is known for using a LOT of proprietary data streams in OBD, even more so on the Diesels. Specific VW diagnostic tools that plug in to that port can show dozens upon dozens of error codes that a generic scan tool never even knows are there, for example. I suspect the Garmin plugin is limited to that generic set of data streams.

I don't know what specific info a generic OBD-II port puts out to allow the Garmin module to calculate FE, but I'm willing to bet that Diesels do it differently. Obviously that info can be derived because the built-in VW dash computer display gives you both cumulative and "instant" mpg, but perhaps it is NOT using standard OBD data to do so.

-dan

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Edited by - danham on 26 août 2011 19:32:48
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 26 août 2011 :  20:23:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting. I wonder if a ScanGaugeII shows mpg on the VW diesel?


-speedy
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alandb

483 Posts

Posted - 26 août 2011 :  20:31:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure about ScanGaugeII, but I have a UltraGauge. I checked its compatibility exceptions. The VW's listed as not compatible are 2002-2004 1.8L Turbo, 2004-2005 TDI(All).

Alan - nuvi's - 3597LMTHD 855 755T, Oregon 550, Lowrance Endura Sierra
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brentrn

USA
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Posted - 05 sept. 2011 :  22:22:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a 3790T and EcorouteHD on a 2006 VW Jetta TDI and the fuel economy data displays continuously.

BTW: It is a very variable number and not all that useful unless you are going with unchanging speed on a flat road. I would prefer an average reading for the trip.
quote:
installed the ecoRoute HD in my VW today and paired it with the 3790. All seems to be working as expected except I don't see any way to show instant MPG on the map screen. I've read that it should be an option by pressing the Arrival icon in Standard data mode and as an option available in More Data mode (as gpspassion notes above). All I can see is Average MPG using the Fuel Economy icon under Tools - ecoRoutes.




To get Fuel Economy to display I select Tools>EcorouteHD and be sure the device is paired with the 3790. Then on the map display I touch the data button that shows direction by default. You will be shown a list of options. Fuel Economy is at the bottom of the list (you may have to scroll down to see it). Select FE then the Return button. When you go back to the map you should see the fuel economy displayed.

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 06 sept. 2011 :  00:24:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks brentrn but it looks like the 2010 TDI is different from your 2006. There is no way I can get the FE to display on my 3790 or my 1695, I can get the same info from the VW's trip computer and your right, the average reading is more meaningful and I can also get that data from the dash screen. It's just that I prefer the "range" readout on the dash and would have liked the fuel numbers to be shown on the Nuvi screen.

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danham

USA
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Posted - 07 sept. 2011 :  22:17:59  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just to confirm, the 2006 TDIs are dramatically different from the 2010 and up models. Those older TDIs use what is known as a "pump duse" system and the new ones use "common rail." The engines have almost nothing in common with each other, including the electronics which govern fuel flow in the common rail engines.

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Edited by - danham on 08 sept. 2011 00:09:52
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brentrn

USA
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Posted - 11 sept. 2011 :  14:15:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After using the EcorouteHD on my 2006 Jetta TDI I have found the fuel economy numbers to be of little usefulness. The moment to moment readings go to Infinity. The number displayed as the trip average when the car is stopped are usually 5 to 10 mpg higher than my calculated mileage at fill-ups. It's fun to look at but I don't put much stock in what I see. I am beginning to find the little leaf with with 0 to 100, red to green, display on the map is probably more useful for keeping your mileage high.
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Rickdude

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 12 sept. 2011 :  17:41:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My experience has been very positive with the EcoRoute HD. Initially I used the GPS only when driving on specific trips that I needed Guidance. I noticed though, like brentrn that milage seemed high. So I started to keep my GPS on for all driving. I noticed that going around the corner to the store or waiting in line for fast food caused hurendously low milage to show up on trips. This and other things have led my to be more consious of how I am driving. I look at my eco performance at the end of my trips now. When it is lower I know why.

Now my average gas milage has increased 1.2MPG or from 19.3 to 20.5. The unit has paid for itself right there!

I agree though that the intsnat number as little value once you use it for awhile but at the beginning it does help. Note also, if you keep the Ecoroute connected and dont connect your GPS unit, the Ecoroute still collects data for later.

Dude

Nuvi 3790LMT
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Point of Interest

Australia
25 Posts

Posted - 20 nov. 2011 :  04:42:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have ecoroute HD with 2460 LT in a Citroen C5 2002 petrol 2.0l.
The setup was straightforward. Fortunately the OBDC socket is in the glovebox fusebox and there's even a hole to pass the cable through and a pocket to hold it.

Comments:
Garmin should be a bit clearer about compatibility. And one must be a bit more realistic about what it will do in one's car.
There's no walk-through to give suggestions of how to configure ecoroute features. The guides explain installation and basic features only.
Needs a scan function to rotate between displays and/or a quick method of switching screens. The link from map to ecochallenge is one button, and return trip. Other pages need a map button.

It is easy to measure fuel use over a tank, but being able to measure by journey is very enlightening. I compared 2 distinct routes today: one that is flat but through city traffic and lights and the other that uses a new bypass, but is hilly. The bypass route is more fuel efficient, but is much longer.

I have 5 gauges to choose from: RPM, speed, battery voltage, engine load (%) and coolant temperature.

Problems:
My current ecoroute score is zero, even though the overall, speed, braking and acceleration scores are not zero. Before I fitted the ecoroute HD the ecochallenge score did change, but it hasn't moved from 0 since fitting the ecoroute HD. I tried resetting the numbers (not a master reset) and deleting the entry from mileage.csv, but that hasn't helped.

Instantaneous mileage does not display. It's not just zero, it simply doesn't appear on the fuel economy screen.

On the gauges pages the speed reading is about 20% less than actual. This is giving me a low speed score of 33 on average. After 5 minutes of driving I get a "Braking Fault" on the Citroen display, which is probably a faulty or dirty ABS speed sensor.

Any suggestions?
I figured out the answers...
1. The instantaneous fuel consumption is not output is a way that the ecoroute understands. So the figure won't appear.
2. Since the ecoroute score expects fuel consumption input when an ecoroute HD is attached but (1), the score is zero.
3. I have a faulty speed sensor. The reason I get a "Braking fault" after driving for a few minutes is that I'm driving slowly until that point. When the difference between the ABS speed sensor and the transmission speed sensor gets too great at around 60km/h, it shuts down the ABS.

So actually, the ecoroute HD it not such a bad device. No replacement for a ODBCII scanner with all the fruit, but a nice lite tool.

I've just installed it in my Prius, which provides a lot more data; but I'll post about that later.

Garmin 2460 LT + ecoroute HD
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Edited by - Point of Interest on 18 juin 2012 10:16:47
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igortau

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Posted - 08 avr. 2012 :  15:40:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a question. Why Garmin nuvi 2585 does not work with Garmin EcoRoute HD
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neadrenalin

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Posted - 09 avr. 2012 :  15:33:20  Show Profile  Visit neadrenalin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
igortau,
Because it's a feature, not a bug.
Garmin always produces devices, that have at least one thing turned off, that exits in other, even older model.
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Carbuff

USA
171 Posts

Posted - 08 juin 2012 :  01:03:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Time to BUMP this topic.

I'm quite pleased with my EcoRouteHD. I have modified my driving habits to achieve an 8% improvement overall.


One thing that still happens (and happens with my phone bluetooth, as well): occasionally one or the other devices will not connect to the Nuvi.




On my phone, if I notice that the BT hasn't connected, I push three buttons on the phone and it connects again.

But with the EcoRoute, I have to go though the 2 minute malarkey of stopping the car, answering the Nuvi's questions, and idling until the EcoRoute is re-paired. BOTHER!

I HAVE learned that I can turn the car's engine off for 30 seconds...and the Eco will usually reconnect when I restart.


Just wondering...is there an easier way?


The Carbuff
Nuvi 1490LMT w/EcoRoute HD
Quest 2
NJ, USA
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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 08 juin 2012 :  01:37:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I find the HD drops on my 3790 off and on as well and I agree is a bit of a PITA to reconnect it BUT I did find the other day that just going to Tools - ecoRoute, I can tap the 3Bar icon and then press HD Connection and Connect and the device reconnects in about 3 seconds (I was stopped at the time). I don't thing your 1490 has the 3 Bar icon but you may want to try what ever you have that's like my HD Connection option.

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Carbuff

USA
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Posted - 12 juin 2012 :  01:26:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Problem is, the car has to be stopped then restarted for the Eco to connect. Grrr. And it takes about 30 seconds for everything to be "shut down"...so a quick off-on at a traffic light doesn't work.









The Carbuff
Nuvi 1490LMT w/EcoRoute HD
Quest 2
NJ, USA
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mrmaico

USA
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Posted - 12 juin 2012 :  02:59:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My 3790 will drop the connection now and then too but I just ignore it and within a minute or so it will reconnect. One time it took about 10 minutes but that only happened once.
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 12 juin 2012 :  03:28:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I rarely have issues with the ecoRoute HD device connecting to my 1690. Often, I'll leave the 1690 running while I run into a store and when I come out, it seems to take about 20 seconds for the ecoRoute HD to reconnect. I have seen a few rare occasions where it doesn't connect, but next shutdown and startup always fixes it. I've seen that probably less than 5 times in the last couple of years. This thing has been pretty much rock solid for me.

I bought an OBDII cable splitter sometime back so I could leave my ecoRoute HD connected when I take the vehicle in for inspection. No issues with the shop connecting and getting the data from the spare port.

I also bought an Ultragauge and tried to run it with the ecoRoute HD. The UG takes precedence over the ecoRoute HD and only one of them will run. I think that's a legacy of the old 9141 protocol my 2008 Honda runs. I'd hoped it ran the 29bit CAN protocol, but that apparently came along in 2009. I think I could run them both in that scenario.

-speedy
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Point of Interest

Australia
25 Posts

Posted - 18 juin 2012 :  10:02:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Carbuff

Time to BUMP this topic.
I'm quite pleased with my EcoRouteHD. I have modified my driving habits to achieve an 8% improvement overall.
One thing that still happens (and happens with my phone bluetooth, as well): occasionally one or the other devices will not connect to the Nuvi.
On my phone, if I notice that the BT hasn't connected, I push three buttons on the phone and it connects again.
But with the EcoRoute, I have to go though the 2 minute malarkey of stopping the car, answering the Nuvi's questions, and idling until the EcoRoute is re-paired. BOTHER!
I HAVE learned that I can turn the car's engine off for 30 seconds...and the Eco will usually reconnect when I restart.
Just wondering...is there an easier way?

Have you tried resetting the ecoroute? There is a small reset button on the front. This eliminated slow/no pairing for me and I haven't had to configure the car since.
Are you using Nuvi BT for both the ecoroute and the phone? Some phones have a BT power-saver function that only allows pairing with one device at a time. While that shouldn't affect the device it pairs to, it might.
I've also noticed that pairing time is not consistent; sometimes 5 seconds, sometimes 35s.

As for fuel consumption, I drive a Prius and knowing the coolant temperature and ignition timing can help you get fantastic fuel economy especially in cold conditions. With any car where you don't push hard until it is warm, right? With the Prius the computer has operating modes according to temperature, so knowing how warm and what mode the car is in (inferred from the coolant temp and ignition timing) can really help. The hardcore Prius-philes use a "ScanGuage", but the ecoroute is not a bad "lite" tool. If only it could display instantaneous fuel consumption on the gauge screen.

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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 18 juin 2012 :  13:37:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have I-mpg on my 1690 coming from the ecoRoute hd device. Not sure what you mean?

-speedy
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 18 juin 2012 :  14:45:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[ED- direct quote snipped] I think what he means is when you are on the screen that shows the gauges (engine temp, tach etc) there is no option to show the instant mpg. I was thinking the same thing the other day.....since I usually have the gauge screen displayed it would be nice to have the option to have the I-mpg showing on that screen.
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Carbuff

USA
171 Posts

Posted - 18 juin 2012 :  17:13:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Point of Interest, THANKS

No, I did not think to reset the EcoRoute (it's tucked up pretty far under my dash, and finding the button isn't that easy at a stoplight).

But, I'll give that a try and report back in a few days.




quote:
Are you using Nuvi BT for both the ecoroute and the phone? Some phones have a BT power-saver function that only allows pairing with one device at a time. While that shouldn't affect the device it pairs to, it might.
I've also noticed that pairing time is not consistent; sometimes 5 seconds, sometimes 35s.


I AM using the BT for my phone and EcoRoute. But I thought they used different protocols (which is why you can't get ER data on a smart phone with an OBDII app).


And regards pairing time, I thought that occasionally the Nuvi will delay connection because it takes extra time on startup to "defragment" itself, or something. That happens if you have a BT or not.

The Carbuff
Nuvi 1490LMT w/EcoRoute HD
Quest 2
NJ, USA

Edited by - Carbuff on 18 juin 2012 17:20:19
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Carbuff

USA
171 Posts

Posted - 18 juil. 2012 :  02:10:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update:


After installing firmware V6.10 in my 1490T, the EcoRoute hasn't missed it's connection for over a week!

The Carbuff
Nuvi 1490LMT w/EcoRoute HD
Quest 2
NJ, USA
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 18 juil. 2012 :  02:58:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've noticed an annoying behavior lately with my 3790LMT with Ecoroute......I have a new Chevy pickup at work that has Bluetooth so I now keep BT turned on on my phone and even though I don't have the Garmin listed in my phone BT or have the phone listed in the Garmin, every time I get into my personal car with the Garmin in it it displays the BT passkey because it's picking up the phones BT. I have to hit "cancel" every time I get into the car. No way to turn it off without turning off BT on the Garmin and losing the EcoRoute BT interface.

I don't want to use the Garmin for phone calls since I was told it sounded like crap and I rarely make calls in the car.
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bobwadd

USA
14 Posts

Posted - 25 déc. 2012 :  23:55:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have had the EcoRoute HD installed in my 2006 F250 P/U for over a year now. everything worked great until I had to change the batteries in the vehicle. Now my ER does NOT connect more than it does. I have tried resetting both the EcoRoute and the nuvi 2460 to no avail.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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hpatlik

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Posted - 26 déc. 2012 :  01:51:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try disconnecting the Ecoroute from the OBD and reconnecting and running the setup routine. Can you install the Ecoroute HD in another vehicle? If it does not work in another vehicle, maybe the E HD got zapped.

HPatlik
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mrmaico

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 26 déc. 2012 :  15:21:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a problem with mine a few months ago....it quit communicating with the GPS and then the GPS even started freezing up. I tried the reset button several times and also unplugging the ODB plug as well as turning the GPS off and back on several times. Finally after about 1 hour it all started working normal again.

It has happened a few times before where the 2 wouldn't communicate with each other and again after a while they just started working again.

Not very encouraging considering the amount of money I paid for the 2 pieces.

Barry
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bobwadd

USA
14 Posts

Posted - 29 déc. 2012 :  19:30:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Worked fine for two days. Then the issue returned.

Deleted "mlg_history.db" worked for a short while and then the issue returned again.

I have done a hard reset on both devices and the issue was still not solved.

Any further suggestions?
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