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 [TOPIC] Google Maps Navigation - Reviews - v6.11.1
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offthegrid

USA
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Posted - 09 oct. 2009 :  04:01:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GOOGLE MAPS NAVIGATION - v6.8.0


Updated June 28th, 2012 : just a year after map caching was added to the "Google Labs" options, it has now been expanded (10 to 60 miles) and appears as a "normal" feature.
Updated July 6th, 2011 : version 5.7.0 now available with a brand new "hidden" feature, map downloading for offline use, more details on page 8.
Updated April 2011 : version 5.3.1 now available.
Updated March 7th, 2011 : version 5.2.1 available in the market. New features include adding ratings and pinging lattitude friends so that they check in, more details on page 7.
Updated February 3rd, 2011 : version 5.1 now available in the market, adds "check-in" feature to Lattitude, new map orientation mode using the compass available too.
Updated December 10th, 2010 : Google have announced v5 of Google Maps Navigation with some significant changes such as local caching of maps and 3D Buildings, more details on page 5.

Updated 11/2010 : New v4.7.0 version available, more tweaks.
Updated 10/2010 : New v4.5.1 version available with some tweaks.
Updated 09/2010 : GMN updated to v4.5 with a new pedestrian mode, see details in page 3.

Updated 06/2010 : GMN updated to v4.2 and now available in Europe, see details on page 3.
Posted 10/2009

- Oops, Google have done it again...the announcement of Google Maps Navigation (beta) while not entirely unexpected, sent the stocks of the GPS players tumbling down 20% today. Is this an overraction?

While the market is always right and Google have clearly spoilt us with great apps over the years, we should keep in mind that this is an "off-board" application with all the data stored on a remove server, not locally like on an AIO, so 3G (or even 3G+/HSDPA) will be required for the data rich content. Also only the Android platform is getting it for now and it's limited to the USA.

EDIT BY GPSPASSION 20091029
Original message : Google maps went rogue today by putting their own maps online replete with a 'report a problem' link for users to request map corrections.

I have no doubt Google has tied gps traces from gmaps mobile users to the mapping along with every public mapping source available to update these faster and more accurately than Navteq or TA.

In the past when there was discussion of why gmaps mobile did not provide free turn by turn routing functions the answer was the cost to get 'routing' maps. Well thats been eliminated and I expect before years end a free routing with traffic avoidance will be part of the mobile mapping package.

Google has by far the best traffic intelligence backed by the most comprehensive data. If they make the maps as good as I believe they will this is a HUGE threat to TomTom, Garmin, Navteq and certainly will kill the $10 a month smartphone add ons in quick fashion.

How long before a connected gps device is available using free Google info and routing?

This is a double blow to TT because as GatorGuy stated in another forum they will be losing considerable income in addition to dealing with a new competitor.

[Former title : Google Maps Navigation - Threat to GPS industry ?]

Edited by - offthegrid on 09 oct. 2009 04:02:17

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gpspassion

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Posted - 28 oct. 2009 :  17:16:52  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting news, yes that will not help the "off-board" add-ons, but I'm not so sure about the threat to AIOs with "on-board" mapping and routing like the Garmin or TomTom units though, it's not just about the maps, there's the whole ecosystem around it. Besides Google have shown in the past they have no interest in providing hardware.

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Dewi

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Posted - 28 oct. 2009 :  18:13:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Engadget has a post about this with a graph showing the stock market's initial reaction:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/the-game-has-changed/
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Enrique Muyshondt

USA
409 Posts

Posted - 28 oct. 2009 :  19:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Duplicate information deleted ...

Edited by - Enrique Muyshondt on 28 oct. 2009 19:32:45
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gpspassion

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Posted - 29 oct. 2009 :  02:43:36  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Might be some over reaction there, at this point it looks like a nice replacement for the buit-in "Maps" application of Android or...the iPhone, but it's off-board, so you're outside 3G coverage you can pretty much forget it.

An interesting video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXK4jKN_jY

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wco81

USA
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Posted - 29 oct. 2009 :  03:03:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If they're rolling their own maps, why not offer an installation option to store the maps locally?

Of course, not all devices will have enough onboard storage but if the user is alerted, he can install a microSD card or whatever.

Interesting thing is when you search Google Maps for things, a lot of the pinned locations are user-created. Some of these might be of interest to some people.

It would encourage people to make public maps with locations of places they've personally visited, giving a more direct review.

Access to this kind of data could be useful sometimes.
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ve7mdt

Canada
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Posted - 29 oct. 2009 :  10:28:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The video is rather impressive. I just used my iPhone (Google) Map tonight and it couldn't catch up with my driving after a short while, resulting in a blank background (no more street maps shown). I hope this one won't have that problem. I'm not sure if it is the data network not stable during the route I drove, or something else. However, unstable network is likely the norm rather than an exception for many networks / places, so there is still no replacement for an on device navigation for the serious users (but I would prefer to have the enhanced features if data network is available of course, so a hybrid device would be best).

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SwissFreek

USA
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Posted - 29 oct. 2009 :  12:57:31  Show Profile  Visit SwissFreek's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I can't remember which gadget site it was (I think Engadget, but maybe CrunchGear) that specifically asked the Google rep what happens if you lose cell service. The rep said that the phone caches the route so that if you lose service while you're navigating, it will continue to guide you, as long as you stay on the route, and that most users that were testing it never knew they had lost service. AT&T Navigator/VZNav/etc. all do the same thing. So at least there's that. Of course, if you are in a location with no service when you start trying to plan your route, then you are SOL. For me though, there have only been two times when I knew I couldn't just drive up to the top of the nearest hill or something to find at least one or two bars of service (one was in the deep woods of Alabama, the other was in West Virginia, and in both cases I hadn't seen a cell signal all weekend), so I'd say that the chances of that happening (for me anyway) are fairly rare. At worst I know that on occassion I may have to just drive a few more miles down the road to find a better signal.

What I really don't get is this obsession with street and satellite view. Maybe I'm old school, but I find it cluttered and disorienting to try and navigate with either. Street view has other cars on the map blocking views, and satellite view (again, for me) is very often badly outdated. In my hometown of Boston most of the roads are wrong since until a year or so ago they changed constantly thanks to the big dig, and where I live now in Maryland, the photography is at least a few years old because most of the construction in town is only a few years old and a significant portion of it hasn't been built yet when you look at the satellite view. I'm just saying, I'm perfectly happy with my old school map. I once heard a saying that "A smoke detector with no batteries is worse than no smoke detector at all." I'd prefer not having street view at all rather than having a street view that is out of date (which unless you're the United States Army is basically impossible to avoid). No information is better than disinformation.

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Edited by - SwissFreek on 29 oct. 2009 13:10:27
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offthegrid

USA
399 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  17:22:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe from what I have read in Google support forums is that it'll cache a map 'sector'. I'm thinking thats more than just the route as in maybe a region or part of a region but there should soon be confirmation on capabilities. I expect that the upgrades to features will be fast and furious leaving competition in the wake.

While it has traffic and a way to show traffic on a route there is no mention of whether the route time is based on current traffic conditions. Advantage pnd. It also allows alternate routes to be manually chosen but no mention of whether the routes are optimized for traffic. Advantage pnd. Verizon's network does not handle simultaneous voice and data so an incoming call will cut the data link sending the gps into cache mode and it will still sound out directions unless cut off during the call. No mention of what the screen does specifically but it sounds like the screen goes to call mode. Advantage pnd.

I expect that these issues will be addressed though and in a few months maybe a year,

In a an interview on CNET google stated that they would consider porting to a connected gps.

I'm wondering if it will be possible to use the app on the coming Android netbooks. Those are pretty small but quite a bit larger than a Droid phone and have more horsepower for a lot less money. If someone has a data plan and can tether to a netbook running android this would be a nice reason to go that route. About $300 for a netbook running Android although they are just starting to roll them out.
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gpspassion

93892 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  17:32:51  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, "off-road" GPS navigation is not new and the old Webraska software also did some "corridor cutting", but if you lost your way and had no connectivity you were SOL. Also the Google app is great because of the rich data it has access to (Street View and Satellite Map - whether it's useful as SwissFreek points out is another question) and that would clearly could not be cached due to the data constraints.

An interesting snippet here on the Washington Post : Why Google Didn't Kill the Standalone GPS ;-)

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Dewi

623 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  20:09:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Garmin has stated that their next-generation nuvifone (currently in development) will be an Android phone. Given Google's announcement of their free navigation app for Android, I wonder what this will do to the nuvifone development?
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gman

USA
320 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  20:57:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Droid will likely be my next phone since I'm already w/ VZ. Looking forward to trying this out. I pretty much always have 3G coverage throughout my travels in my state, which is where I spend 95% of my time, so I'm not too worried about having no offline data.

Motorola Droid: Google Maps Navigation, CoPilot Live USA
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wco81

USA
227 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  21:26:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unless you want to take it overseas.

Oh well, since VZW and Google are making a big deal of this, I'm sure there will be an Android LTE phone at the first opportunity.
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Enrique Muyshondt

USA
409 Posts

Posted - 30 oct. 2009 :  23:59:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not ready to go to off-board navigation, but wouldn't mind the iPhone Maps application replaced by this. I travel internationally a lot and downloading maps is prohibitively expensive. I could plan a route while I have WiFi access, but I wouldn't want to risk having to go off-route and not having the information I need.

I think AIOs still have a life and this app will not kill them, at least for now. Now AT&T Navigator and the like - those are goners once this app is widespread.
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wco81

USA
227 Posts

Posted - 31 oct. 2009 :  00:57:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you plan routes?

Or does the starting point have to start with your current location?

The best thing would be if you could plan routes on a computer, in Google Maps, and then export those routes to the Google Maps Navigation App. somehow. Would be easier to scope out the whole route on a computer with a bigger screen and then once you verify the route looks good, export it and the mobile app. would use that route instead of calculating its own.
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wrainey

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 03 nov. 2009 :  19:05:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An interesting speculative piece on the implications of Google's 'free' maps release:
http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/10/29/google-redefines-disruption-the-“less-than-free”-business-model/
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