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 [TOPIC] Navigon 7100 with "Reality View" - Testing
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Travelingon

USA
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Posted - 25 juil. 2007 :  22:30:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I sure hope so. Don't the test reviewers have the most currant routing maps for North America on their 7100's, specifically No. Calif. in the most recent reviews posted here?

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Originally posted by forbin

Also remember .. that we're all guessing here right now .. The unit hasn't been released yet and Navigon could be updating the software as we speak ..


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Planet GPS

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Posted - 25 juil. 2007 :  23:17:42  Show Profile  Visit Planet GPS's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by forbin

Also remember .. that we're all guessing here right now .. The unit hasn't been released yet and Navigon could be updating the software as we speak ..


Thank you forbin, I was just going to bring that point up. It will take a few weeks before people from ALL areas of the country have time to test these initial units. Plus we need to make sure we're testing the latest version of their software (6.5?). It appears it will be released in around a week, then figure another week to fill the orders/deliver them, and another week (at least) to test the unit, so we're not going to have anything concrete for at least a few weeks but at least we're moving in the right direction
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AKM74

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  00:15:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
can this unit play video files ? like Mio 520
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  01:12:12  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No it's a GPS Navigation affair, just as well if you ask me...having said that I'm currently using my GO910 as a jukebox on my vacation ;-)

More driving today with an "easier" route (mostly freeways) and it got it right this time, same as the 680 and iNav v3, only ETA was a tad overstated, I'll see if changing the profile to "standard car" (works for me in Europe) to "fast car" helps.

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Planet GPS

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  01:56:33  Show Profile  Visit Planet GPS's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you want a 'all in one' type unit you might be happier with the new TomTom or Garmin Nuvi. From what I've seen the Navigon 7100 is more dedicated to providing high-end navigation features. I heard where they might come out with a 7150 with MP3 player (like a nuvi) but until I see something more official it's just a rumor. I do know that Navigon refers to the 7100 as the '71xx series' so maybe there's some meat to the rumor. Time will tell
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AKM74

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  04:29:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The reasons I’m asking... just because this unit uses Microsoft operating system as a base. It a matter of extra codecs and build-in player. I hope we can open/unlock this future in retail unit.
BTW. Loox 100 do have a video player. And its stil navigation device made by Navigon.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  08:06:03  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually by Fujitsu, but it's a different approach, they were competing with small mp3/video players like Mio with the Mio H610, not a great success it seems.

The 7100 is based on WinCE yes so you can access the shell like on the Mio C310x for instance. I must admit I've largely lost interest in that type of "customization", did too much of it back in the day -> http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=147 ;-)

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weatheryoko

USA
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Posted - 27 juil. 2007 :  16:39:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gpspassion,
Can you tell me what maps come with the 7100? I'm assuming all 48 states in the US + Canada. But does it come with Alaska? Hawaii? Puerto Rico? Any others? Thanks.

Justin

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gpspassion

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Posted - 27 juil. 2007 :  19:11:29  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It seems to be 48+Canada.

More comments about the 7100 after extensive use on the road :
1. Using the fast profile doesn't improve the problems routes I found but gives an ETA that is too optimistic, back to "standard car"
2. Planning trips for the week-end and the planning module is really top notch, best available on a GPS system I'd say, if you don't need route optimization. The Mio does that but it can't save routes and doesn't show the time breakdown on the map, here is what it looks like onthe 7100 :

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Timon

USA
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Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  01:12:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please don't tell me they left out Alaska and Hawaii? That would be nuts and a non-starter. If I go to Hawaii on vacation it darn well better work there.
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AKM74

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Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  02:10:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As far as I know, Navigon own Navteq (at least software division) since 2006. It sounds strange if they don’t have most detailed maps on the market. Maybe it just a test unit comes with the limited map preload.
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Planet GPS

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Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  02:16:47  Show Profile  Visit Planet GPS's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why are people jumping to conclusions? No one said they didn't offer those states...
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weatheryoko

USA
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Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  02:39:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gpspassion,
The routing problem you mentioned can be fixed by editing the file I mentioned earlier. I don't have all the steps to fix it hear with me, but the long and short of it is this:

Navteq divides the road into classes (i.e. interstate, highway, local etc). Depending what profile you pick (i.e. fast car, slow car, pedistrian, etc), MN6 will "assign" speeds based on the profile. For example, if you pick "fast car", Navigon might assign the speed of 78 mph when traveling on the interstate. It uses this speed setting to calculate your ETA (i.e. it looks at your route, how long you're on the road class and figures out the time/ETA from that information). Since I always drive the speed limit (I'm acually serious, I do!), I found the ETA under "fast car" too optimistic. I edited file I mentioned earlier and put in more realistic figures for the speeds in which I drive on roads. Once I did that, the ETA estimates were much more accurate. Hope this helps.

Justin
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Planet GPS

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Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  05:04:59  Show Profile  Visit Planet GPS's Homepage  Reply with Quote
But doesn't garmin estimate the arrival time with whatever speed you're actually going? This seems to make the most sense to me. Why Navigon would use one preset speed just doesn't seem realistic.
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NoTrix

USA
182 Posts

Posted - 28 juil. 2007 :  05:25:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would think that the initial calculation would have to have some "speed" number assigned in order to give the device an initial ETA. I think in both cases this number is adjusted as one drives, and the algorithm has to calculate ETA based on "speed" parameters, i.e., average speed vs. assigned speed, current speed vs. average speed, distance to destination, current time, time to destination, etc. All GPS devices would use unique calculations, IMHO. I think Garmin does it best and (maybe) TomTom not so well. Sounds like Navigon is somewhere in between. Good, but not great?

As far as maps go, everything I've seen has stated "Entire US Maps and Canada (not Mexico)". Based on that statement, I would assume it does include Alaska and Hawaii.

Edited by - NoTrix on 28 juil. 2007 06:13:22
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