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gpspassion

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Posted - 06 juil. 2007 :  01:23:16  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
TOPIC - Qstarz BT-Q1000 Travel Recorder with MTK
MTK v1.94 firmware - 70,000 points


Product Page on Qstarz website


UPDATED 20071025 : The PC application lets you export logged data to .nma (NMEA) and .kml (Google Earth) formats but the exported data is limited (no altitude for instance) and hard-coded. The settings in the "Log Format" page ONLY apply to the .csv format so if you need a GPX or KML with the full height/speed information you'll need to convert your .csv file via www.gpsvisualizer.com

Qstarz are continuing to expand their line of GPS systems, and after the Solar BT-Q815 and the "double 32" BT-Q818, they have now released the BT-Q1000 Travel Recorder. It takes after the iBlue 747 but sports a ruberrized finish. More importantly it uses the latest v1.94 MTK chipset that offers improved dynamics in pedestrian use although my preliminary testing shows it isn't quite on par with SiRFstarIII yet.

On the logging side, the bug seen on the 747, i.e. logging doesn't stop if you move the switch from LOG to NAV, has not been fixed unfortunately.

Questions, comments ?

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kiwiblade

Netherlands
27 Posts

Posted - 08 juil. 2007 :  09:44:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it a bug? Is it a feature? In the description of the Qstarz-BT1000 it is mentioned that in NAV mode, both navigation and logging are active.

What I noticed was that I could navigate while in LOG mode?

Cheers,

Mark.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 juil. 2007 :  11:03:39  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well yes, since you can navigate in LOG mode (i.e. BT connection to PDA/PC), I can't see the point of logging in NAV mode. The 757 doesn't have that problem so I still think it's a bug.

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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 08 juil. 2007 :  20:05:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can this log data at 5hz? I teach a course in "roller-coaster physics" and I would like to buy several cheap dataloggers for students to carry on the rides. If this can log at 5hz then it may be perfect!

1hz is to slow, since they will experience up to 4-g accelerations and their velocity can change by 40 m/s between samples at that rate.

Thanks
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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 juil. 2007 :  21:23:17  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No, you can switch it to 5hz and stream the data over Bluetooth but the built-in recorder logs at 1hz. I'm not aware of any logger that logs at more than 1hz.

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djwinn

USA
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Posted - 10 juil. 2007 :  23:02:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, then I have another question before I order this. Are there two versions of this device with different data rates enabled? (ie. like the iblue 737 1hz and 5hz version) or can I get the 5hz rate from any BT-Q1000 that I purchase?

Also, are there any cheap WM5 apps that can log the 5hz datastream?

Thanks
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lyletanner

13 Posts

Posted - 12 juil. 2007 :  09:05:51  Show Profile  Visit lyletanner's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Franson GPSGate should be able to log @ 5hz, but I haven't tried it yet.

List price is $29, but it is included with a lot of the GPS receivers that Semsons.com sells.

http://franson.com/gpsgate/
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gpspassion

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Posted - 12 juil. 2007 :  09:50:56  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually, the free VisualGPS CE http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/ logs fine, make sure you use the max baudrate though because there is a lot of data flowing throught. In the ">1 hz receivers" topic I maxed out at 3Hz I think.

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kiwiblade

Netherlands
27 Posts

Posted - 12 juil. 2007 :  22:04:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Well yes, since you can navigate in LOG mode (i.e. BT connection to PDA/PC), I can't see the point of logging in NAV mode. The 757 doesn't have that problem so I still think it's a bug.


I do this quite often, just to record my path for later analysis (running) or to add photos later. So ... bug or feature?

Aha ... on second reading I understand your point: if you can log in NAV mode and nav in LOG mode, then what's the difference between the two? Anyway: better too much functionality, than too little.

My father is testing it as we speak as a preparation for his bicycle journey from Holland to Santiago de Compostella. With the right logging frequency, I hope to record his journey with only recharging during the trip, no data downloading.

Cheers,

Mark.
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salviati

1 Posts

Posted - 13 juil. 2007 :  04:43:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello All. i am new to GPS forums, but I do have some feedback on this GPS device. I ordered it just after it was released, and I have been using it for about 1 week in Taiwan (and still am). Overall, I would give the Q1000 a good rating, except there are a few bugs from time-to-time. I have only been using it in LOG mode, but for 24-hours per day for several days straight.

I have had a Holux 236 previously (which I liked very much), so this is my only basis for comparison. The sensitivity of the Q1000 seems pretty good, and it seems to pick up almost all the time in cars, while walking, and somewhat indoors (but not always). I have been able to use it at very high speeds which I didn't think GPS units could handle such as an entire 250 km/h train (except the tunnels, obviously), and for parts of a plane ride! The part of the plane ride shows a speed of over 700 MPH before it lost the signal. Overall, I would recommend the unit, but there were some bugs I have found:

The ads i have seen so far all state that the Q1000 can store "Up to 100,000 Waypoints"; However, mine can only store 50,000. This may seem insignificant to those who are using this as a jogging aid or for short trips, but i was trying to use mine for several days straight, without access to my computer for downloading. I nearly got stuck at one point with 91% of the memory being used. Also, there is an indication on the unit when you are nearing the capacity of the memory when the blue light on the GPS icon blinks (not the Bluetooth icon) starts blinking. This was describe in my manual as meaning 'Full', so I almost turned the unit off even though I still had some memory left.

Second bug: I have been charging my unit every night, so I don't know how long the battery will actually last, but I have had the red 'low power' light start blinking after only 8-10 hours of LOG use from a full charge. I don't know how long the red light would have blinked for, but the first time it happened, it blinked for at least 4 more hours before I got it back to the charger. When I get back home, I will give the battery a proper test. The advertised battery time is 32 hours.

Third bug: The software for downloading the logs needs some work. When I was first testing the unit, I would have to press the 'Stop Log' button and begin the download 10-20 times for it to actually finish the download. I had virtually no programs running in the background, but the download would get stuck at various points along the way: sometimes 3%, sometimes 51%, sometimes 79%, with no apparent rhyme or reason. Each time it got stuck, I had to cancel and start over. Once I started getting lots of points though, it started working more consistently - as long as I didn't touch the computer at all during the download. It took about 7-8 minutes to download the full memory, and about a minute to download 2000 points.

Overall, I am happy with the unit and would buy it again, but I hope some of these bugs can get worked out.
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Bartman_x50v

42 Posts

Posted - 14 juil. 2007 :  11:10:34  Show Profile  Visit Bartman_x50v's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For me the very weak point of this two devoice (q1000 and 747) is the software.
This tools are really poor.
1. its impossible to esport a single tracking, but only all track, after you must edit the file
2. dont export in gpx format file, but must convrt nmea file from gpx, not to difficult, but for example for DG100 U can find alternative software that geocode photo
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kiwiblade

Netherlands
27 Posts

Posted - 15 juil. 2007 :  23:29:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Salviati

I had the exact same experience. I gave Qstarz as mail to see if this can/will be fixed. Will keep you posted.

Cheers,

Mark.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 juil. 2007 :  04:18:12  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You had set the device to "LOG" mode to download, right, if you're in NAV mode it will time out after 3 minutes if memory serves.

I'm also quite impressed with the sensitiviy of the Q1000 as it was able to keep the fix during a while on a recent plane trip while placed in the overhead compartment, when others like the BT338 or NemeriX v3 couldn't, need to analyze the logs. It wasn't able to recover it while placed against the window though above the Atlantic, the Garmin 60Cx could though. A confirmation of the relative TTFF weakness of the MTK chipset.

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kiwiblade

Netherlands
27 Posts

Posted - 17 juil. 2007 :  10:55:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got a quick response back from Qstarz. Apparently they have solved the download issue in v2.1 of the program. They send it to me, but I guess it is available for download from their website as well.

One thing that remains is the memory indication. Although I've used only a small portion of memory, the program sometimes indicates that 100% is used. Let's see if we can get rid of that.

@gpspassion: the sensitivity is very good indeed.

Cheers,

Mark.
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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 18 juil. 2007 :  20:22:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have one of these now, but I have been unable to figure out how to set it to 5hz. After reading many other posts in these forums I can see that it has something to do with sending the device a special command (possibly $PMTK300) but I don't know how to do that.

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rorycooney

1 Posts

Posted - 19 juil. 2007 :  15:53:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
### Qstzar BT-Q1000 can log at 5Hz to internal memory ####

I had assumed that 5Hz logging was only possible by pda or PC but quite by accident I seem to have found that the BTQ1000 has the ability to internally log at 5Hz. Right now I'm looking at a log I took while going for a short motorbike ride. Once the bike gets over 30km/h (as set in the travel recorder utility) the logger has recorded 5 individual entries for every second. Essentially I can see my acceleration characteristics down to .2 seconds. The time stamps are identical however for all 5 entries. I assume that it just doesn't record the .0 .2 .4 .6 .8. When plotted the data clearly shows the acceleration and deceleration with .2 seconds resolution.


Setup

1 - Set logger to record at 5Hz using MiniGPS 1.32.

2 - Using Qstzar pc utility set logger to Advanced=>Log For Vehicle=>Log every 1 second and Log over 30km/h.

3 - Use logger as normal on a drive or roller coaster or whatever in log mode. (Ididn't have mine connected to any PC or PDA)

4 - When downloading information you must set the logger back to 1Hz otherwise there is too much live GPS data on the emulated com port over USB when downloading data from logger.



*** Can anyone with a similar mtk based logger try and verify that this is correct and that I'm not jumping to conclusions with my data ***


If this proves to be a stable function, I'm about 200 dollars happier with my purchase. There's alot of information that can be ascertained from .2 second resolution than from 1 second resolution. For me, mainly performance stats for tuning my bike.

I am new to the GPS game and haven't done much research into GPS accuracy. Does anyone know how good the short time repeatability is of GPS. That is I don't care about absolute accuracy, I just want to be sure that within a 10 second span that all the points and times are accurate relative to each other.


Thanks for any help provided.


P.S. I know that I am misusing the word "repeatability" so only constructive corrections please

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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 21 juil. 2007 :  08:25:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, I followed your instructions almost exactly (I set speed for 10km/hr rather than 30) and I also see 5 entries per second for all speeds over 10km/hr.

10 km/hr appears to be the slowest speed that can be set as a trigger for this in the Qstarz utility. It would be nice if I could set this to 0 instead. I wonder if this is a limitation of the firmware or the utility?
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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 22 juil. 2007 :  05:36:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you set the log to record time in miliseconds in the qstarz travelcorder utility then you get five separate time stamps at 0.2 second intervals whenever your velocity exceeds the speed threshold.
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Bartman_x50v

42 Posts

Posted - 22 juil. 2007 :  14:02:37  Show Profile  Visit Bartman_x50v's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Can sombody please explain why log at 5Hz for save data to internal memory can be a advantage?

Edited by - Bartman_x50v on 22 juil. 2007 14:03:15
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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 23 juil. 2007 :  06:24:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you just want to know where you have been then 5hz is probably a disadvantage, since it drains the battery faster and uses up more memory. However, if you wish to analyze motion (ie. to tune a cars engine, or teach high school students about centripetal acceleration in roller coasters) then you will need quite a lot of detail about the velocity. 1hz is way to slow, since most features on a roller coaster are over in a second or two. A small device that records at 5hz that a student can place in their pocket and then forget about while they ride is fantastic. At $100 each I can afford quite a few of them too.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 24 juil. 2007 :  07:48:35  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes someone just pointed out that trick in the MTK tips thread I believe. What do you mean by "If you set the log to record time in miliseconds" ? Is that a way to overcome the 10kph limitation ?

I'm currently not very pleased with the Q1000 as it has failed to properly record my trips several times in a row now and the missing data means I can't geocode my pictures...the PC software is not giving me any errors when I download or save to .nma so I'm assuming it just stops recording for some reason, possibly heat ?

Anyone else noticed that ?

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djwinn

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  04:25:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you set the log to record milisecond values it will just give you a more precise record of the time. It does not allow you to log at 5hz slower than 10 km/hr. It is useful because it gives you five different time values per second when you do exceed 10km/hr.

I have not lost any data yet, although it does take extreme amounts of time to download.
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4river

Japan
62 Posts

Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  06:07:24  Show Profile  Visit 4river's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The download in "Travel Recorder PC Utility Ver2.1" of Qstarz seems to be unstable.
Instead, I am using "Logger Tool Ver.2.2 Build 59" of Transystem (for i-Blue747).
http://www.transystem.com.tw/p-gps-iblue747.htm#

Note)
It cannot install "Travel Recorder PC Utility" and "Logger Tool" at the same time.
Therefore it is necessary to uninstall the other.

4river.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/k8/gps/
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  08:24:08  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the tip, hadn't checked out their site for a while, actually the have build 60 now dated 24/07.

@djwinn - are you referring to the Log format/UTC/Mili-Second setting ? Do you check both the log every xx second and Log over xx km/h in the "AutoLog Option" page ?

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djwinn

USA
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Posted - 26 juil. 2007 :  09:21:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, that is exactly what I do. Basically, the same procedure as Roycooney, except that I also check the milisecond timing in the log format section.
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phillc

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Posted - 09 août 2007 :  23:53:41  Show Profile  Visit phillc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately I can't seem to get my Q1000 to log at 5Hz.

I've set the "miliseconds" as suggested by djwinn but still only get one entry per second in the logs.

Do I HAVE TO use something like MiniGPS as suggested by rorycooney? Obviously I'd rather not have to buy the MiniGPS software. Is there other software I can use?

Am I missing a trick here?

http://www.kapitalmototv.com
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4river

Japan
62 Posts

Posted - 10 août 2007 :  05:51:55  Show Profile  Visit 4river's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A new version of "GPS Travel Recorder" is released by a web of QStarz ( http://www.qstarz.com/download.htm ).
The file name is "BT-Q1000-PC-Utility-Setup-V2.rar", but the version is "GPS Travel Recorder 2.2 [2007/07/24]".

4river.
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 16 août 2007 :  17:27:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Given the similarity between the iblue 747 and hte BT-Q1000 and given that the BT-Q1000 SW works for the iblue 747, you should be able to use the SW @ http://sf.net/projects/bt747 to configure the device to 5Hz, download the log, etc. . Please let me know of any counterindications.

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tortfeaser

2 Posts

Posted - 17 août 2007 :  12:38:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm thinking about buying this unit. Grateful for some help first.

Does the Q1000 output NMEA data on the USB as well as Bluetooth?

Are there any differences between this unit and the iBlue 747?
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 17 août 2007 :  12:53:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Are there any differences between this unit and the iBlue 747?


I've got an iblue 747 and I've seen a review comparing it with the BT-Q1000 (in Dutch). It seems that the battery of the BT-Q1000 lasts many hours longer and the finishing is different. The PC SW with the BT-Q1000 is more user friendly (some default proposals), but it is really the same SW core in a different package . The BT-Q1000 SW works with the iBlue 747 too and it has the same section to show satellite and position information based on the NMEA sentences.

Other than that, have a look at the first message of this thread!

Edited by - mdeweerd on 17 août 2007 13:00:17
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 17 août 2007 :  12:58:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rorycooney

### Qstzar BT-Q1000 can log at 5Hz to internal memory ####


On my iblue 747, I can set the time logging to 0.2 seconds with the application I wrote. That way it will log the 5Hz fix data. It is not possible to do so with the original application.
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 18 août 2007 :  01:33:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi to everybody!
finally,there is a good logger at 5hz configurable?wich is the best: BT-Q1000 or iblue family???
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  12:09:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I sent an email to Qstarz team,i asked how to update rate at 5hz to BT-Q1000,they answered me wich is impossible!!Can someone help me??
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GHG

1 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  13:23:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@gpspassion

Hi

Did you successfully "resistor mod" your BT-Q1000 ?

BR

Gary G.

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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  14:25:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
resistor mod can improve performance??wich?i still can't update @ 5hz!Can somebody help me??i tried with MiniGPS 1.32,but still not.Anyway,i wrote at Q-STARZ team,they confirmed me wich is no possible to upgrade at 5hz,and finally thay said me wich had trouble writing on theyr site "5hz optional".
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  14:25:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robyr1

I sent an email to Qstarz team,i asked how to update rate at 5hz to BT-Q1000,they answered me wich is impossible!!Can someone help me??


That is a logical "official" answer since their SW does not support it. If you have the device, you can try to set it yourself (as described elsewhere), if not someone with the device may be able to confirm that this is really possible.
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  14:33:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i don't know,i tried with MiniGPS 1.32,as described in other thread,but i'm not able.
I tried with that java sw wich you wrote,(i don't understand well how it work)but i'not able too.
Any suggest?
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bobbecek

1 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  14:44:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, I am new with Q1000 and I have been using it both to navigate and to logging.

However, compared to my old GPS with Nemerix chipset there is a significantly slower response of my Pocket PC navigation software - I mean, when e.g. driving a car, my location on the map updates in long intervals (>5 sec) and thus my current location does not correspond to reality.

My question is, whether the navigation feature (sending of current position via bluetooth) depends on the logging settings (time period, speed, distance that can be adjusted via PC application) and sends the current to my PPC only when it logs position to internal memory?

Thanks for held.

Petr
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  14:55:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As i understand,you must to configure before use,can track better,with more accuracy!
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PowayTom

USA
4 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  19:31:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kiwiblade

I got a quick response back from Qstarz. Apparently they have solved the download issue in v2.1 of the program. They send it to me, but I guess it is available for download from their website as well.

One thing that remains is the memory indication. Although I've used only a small portion of memory, the program sometimes indicates that 100% is used. Let's see if we can get rid of that.

@gpspassion: the sensitivity is very good indeed.

Cheers,

Mark.



They now have a Version 2.2 available for download. I was having the same problem with hang-ups during data downloads and this version worked the first time.
http://www.qstarz.com/download.htm

Tom
Poway, San Diego County, California, USA
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  19:45:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
robyr1,
From your comments I get a doubt that you get a successfull connections.
With the original application: are you able to download the date, see the satellite information?
With gpsview: are you able to see the satellite information, get the firmware version?
With my application: are you able to see the firmware version on the 'con tab' after connection?

With my application, you can currently observe the communication in the text window ("dos" or "cmd window"). Here is what happens on my full device when I click on Easy/"5Hz fix and log".

9640 - PMTK182,1,3,2
9640 - PMTK300,200,0,0,0.0,0.0
9906 - <PMTK182,3,1,3,
9906 - <PMTK001,182,1,2,
9906 - <PMTK001,300,3,

The first command (PMTK182,1,3,2) sets the log frequency to 0.2 seconds and the second one sets the fix period to 200 ms. The following lines show the replies (preceded with '<'). The meaning of the first reply is unknown. It could mean that setting the log frequency failed because the device is full. The second reply acknowledges that the first command was successfully received and executed. The third reply confirms that the last command was successfully received and executed.

Getting replies means that the communication with the device is working. Interpreting the replies helps to understand what goes wrong.


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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  19:53:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
They now have a Version 2.2 available for download. I was having the same problem with hang-ups during data downloads and this version worked the first time.
http://www.qstarz.com/download.htm


There are still problems with this version. It (sometimes?) downloads the first block twice and as a result does not get the entire log. There are also some problems with some values in the CSV. The value in the CSV output is not a correct conversion of the one in the binary. I discovered that when validating my program by matching the result to the original application.
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  20:10:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mdeweerd!
Thanks for your answer!!
Device is connceted right,and i can see satellites and more details..( i tired to log and download log too).
If i try to udate @5hz with your application,still remain @1hz!But i have to check what you suggest me now...
Anyway,here are a sample log file:
www.onboardcamera.it/export555.csv
Is it 5hz or not?How should can i see if is is a 5hz or 1hz?
You'll see some different,because i managed this file with another applications,for using with my "overlay software) (www.trackvision.net)

Edited by - robyr1 on 22 août 2007 20:15:55
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 22 août 2007 :  21:12:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
robyr1:
At first sight, your CVS is 5Hz, but one would need to see that in an original output file (e.g., CSV) where you have 5 datapoints per second and where that data differs for "each" point in this second.

In my application, on the 'Ctrl' tab, you should see 'Fix' equal to 200 ms and Time equal to 0.2 seconds. You can enter these values there too and click on 'set' in stead of clicking the button I suggested in the 'easy' tab.
The fix value indicates the interval @ which the GPS looks for a fix. The 'time' is the interval at which this date is written to the log. You can have a 5Hz fix, with a 1Hz log.
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robyr1

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  21:36:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think wich i solved my problem!!All the data wich you wrote for your applications are same!!ok,here are my last log file(downloaded from Qstarz software directly):
www.onboardcamera.it/stasera.csv

it's a 4 hours log file!
is it right 5hz??
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robyr1

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:15:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
sorry!you can try again! www.onboardcamera.it/stasera.csv
Another question:i'm looking for a converter application,for convert my .csv files from BT-Q1000 into this strange file format:www.onboardcamera.it/motard.txt

Edited by - robyr1 on 23 août 2007 11:25:54
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:25:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Another question:i'm looking for a converter application,for convert my .csv files from BT-Q1000 into this strange file

Have a look at the 'GPS*File.java' files. It is easy to add a new output format! Adapt one of them to what you need.

Edited by - mdeweerd on 22 août 2007 22:26:21
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:32:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robyr1

sorry!you can try again! www.onboardcamera.it/stasera.csv


Part of your file is in 5Hz mode:
3290,S,2007/08/22,14:27:52.000,SPS,XX,N,XX,E,84.120 m,15.848 km/h,217.267288,      2.38 m,
3291,S,2007/08/22,14:27:52.200,SPS,XX,N,XX,E,,83.661 m,16.412 km/h,218.110657,      1.97 m,
3292,S,2007/08/22,14:27:52.400,SPS,XX,N,XX,E,,83.296 m,15.232 km/h,218.377823,      1.71 m,
3293,S,2007/08/22,14:27:52.600,SPS,XX,N,XX,E,83.178 m,13.323 km/h,219.548889,      0.95 m,
3294,S,2007/08/22,14:27:52.800,SPS,XX,N,XX,E,83.032 m,11.242 km/h,221.155060,      1.13 m


The time jumps in increments of .200 and the lat/lon values are different. You are in 5Hz logging mode and 5Hz fix at that point.
You did something at record 3317 that set the logging period to 1s. 5Hz logging starts at record 523.

(I replace the position with XX's for privacy)

Edited by - mdeweerd on 22 août 2007 22:33:47
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robyr1

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:43:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks!ok,but what you mean with 523?i set to start to log at 5hz after 10km/h,really?
About my question,regard the new format,where can i find that application?Or you are talking about your application??Sorry,but i'm newbie,but i want to learn more!!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:47:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Or you are talking about your application??Sorry,but i'm newbie,but i want to learn more!!


Yes, I refer to my application. It is written in java and the source is in the zip file!
I thing that you have a double log condition then: > 10km/h and time=1s. You can also set time=0.2s and then you have all the points.
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robyr1

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Posted - 22 août 2007 :  22:53:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i'm very very confused...about qstarz software,wich i used to adjust my unit,how should to set time=0.2s ??my "double" log condition when speed >10km/h,is a benefit or not for my application?
About your application,i still don't understand how to find the way to convert my text...
Because,i have a software,wich can use only that strange format,not .csv!so,i need to use my BT-Q1000 logger,and convert my .csv files into that format!

don't kill me this time!! ;-)

Edited by - robyr1 on 23 août 2007 07:32:53
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  10:19:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
robyr1, it looks like you're not competent enough in SW to understand what I mean, so just ignore it.

gpsvisualiser (using gpsbabel) is able to read the CSV file and convert it to other formats. My SW can create several formats too. In the zip, there is a readme on how to set up the SW.
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robyr1

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  10:30:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok,i will read your instructions.but i don't know wich kind of format is that i posted...because i never seen before!GPSBABEL can convert formats,but can support that too?
Thanks ans SORRY for your patience!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  11:26:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
GPSBABEL can convert formats,but can support that too?


GPSBabel may be able to convert to a format that your tool supports.
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robyr1

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  12:06:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tested GPSBABEL,but can't support my format!when i import mu .csv file,i can't export to my format,wich is a .txt but not gprmc,here are a string:
BKMH>',20++4)+++'<'.403)/+0/'I'+,3,0)1,40'@',2)40'--2).1',1+1+2'''<%0@
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  14:58:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If your application needs GPRMC, then I think that you should output an NMEA file because GPRMC is a NMEA string. I am sure gpsbabel can do that and my application can too.
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robyr1

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Posted - 23 août 2007 :  15:11:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
no,must be " BKMH " not GPRMC!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 24 août 2007 :  14:34:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
robyr1.
I looked at the 'trackvision' site. Interesting SW they have - I thought that trackmapping SW for video would be the next step, but it already exists (in a way).

That SW actually takes a CSV file as input and they adapt there input filter for multiple dataloggers. My first reaction would be: send then a CSV file from your logger and ask them (tell them it is the same or at least similar with iblue 747/757).
(See http://www.trackvision.net/doc/main.html)

The other way would be to hack the properties file and the CSV file yourself. There is a specific forum for this.
(See http://www.trackvision.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=0a2b881d922610b9c4aa9e7af984b074)

The last method would be to modify the CSV format in my program to be compatible with one of the formats that trackvision understands. You could start from the 'GPSCSVFile.java' class extension, but that may not be your cup of tea.
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robyr1

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Posted - 24 août 2007 :  15:40:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok,but a user of that forum,has developed an application wich can covert my .csv file from BT-Q1000 into .csv file for Trackvision,here are: http://www.performancetotal.com/temp/pandora.zip
You can find more info and thread here: http://www.trackvision.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=339&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
Anyway,i have a better way to sync my data with video,better than trackvision method.Just import a blu file video,instead the real video,export data+blu video,and than import this video into a video editing software,with chroma keyer you can see,and sync easy,the video with data without blu part...
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 26 août 2007 :  00:13:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Anyway,i have a better way to sync my data with video,better than trackvision method.Just import a blu file video,instead the real video,export data+blu video,and than import this video into a video editing software,with chroma keyer you can see,and sync easy,the video with data without blu part...

I tried to understand this method, but I do not understand what tools you use finally. How do you export your GPS data in video?
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robyr1

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Posted - 26 août 2007 :  08:45:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok: you can import your video (from your camcorder) on the left side of screen,and you can import data,on the right side of screen.
Don't import the real video from your camcorder,but import a complete BLU video.Don't matter abouy sync,just export your blu video+data(wich trackvision created already..)
When you have the video exported,you can see a complete blu video with data with daashboard in overlay.Import this video on the first track of your video editing software (i use Sony Vegas)and finally import on the second track of the time line you real video (from camcorder).
Apply chroma keyer filter on the first track(where is blu)and you'll see ONLY data in overlay with video,WITHOUT BLU!is simple like a drink!
Now you can move your data track video traslating on the video track,and sync is more easy.You can change shape of dashboard too,and more things!!If something still not clear,i'm happy to help you!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 26 août 2007 :  11:32:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, so you still use trackvision for part of it.
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robyr1

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Posted - 26 août 2007 :  13:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tested again,this morning:

i tried with my bike,max speed was 65-70km/h,3 laps under my house.

here are problems:

if i see my trip in gpsvisualizer.com, i see 3 long lines,wich are NOT my trip (long about 2 km far away!)and my trip (a square around my house).
If i convert this file with Pandora (new version) and import into trackvision,i see a very small shape of my trip,with my starting point very very far from the real (that long line...)
Anyway,the speed is not real, i see 100km/h and more!!!

here are the original .csv file :

www.onboardcamera.it/stamatina.csv

and here are the file converted for Trackvision with Pandora application:

www.onboardcamera.it/exportstamatina.csv

maybe,i have to set better BT-Q1000?
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 26 août 2007 :  14:08:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After importing your files in excel and mapping the position onto a graph, one can see that X is derived from Longitude and Y from lattitude.

The conversion converts the degrees into meters.

The points that are far off are from the 'no fix' points, like point nbr 15:
15;2007/08/26;08:12:54.200;No fix;40.298903;N;18.156181;E;74.790 m;0.004 km/h;0.000000; 1251.39 m

You should remove them from the original log. In my application (bt747), these points are filtered out by default.
ONce you get rid of the 'unreal' points, position and speed calculation should be ok. Also, Pandora should try to use the speed provided in the CSV instead.
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robyr1

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Posted - 27 août 2007 :  01:31:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok,as i understand,this not depend from a bad set up with "Travel recorder PC utility"from Qstarz BT-Q1000.really?
So your suggest is to download files from BT-Q1000 with your application?(as i remember well,work with BT-Q1000 too??)And after to use with pandora...
how can i download data with your application?

Edited by - robyr1 on 27 août 2007 16:40:39
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stoked

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Posted - 27 août 2007 :  22:56:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just some clarification, does the Q1000 need the hardware mod in order to use mdeweerd's tool to send BT commands and grab the logs via BT?

Edited by - stoked on 27 août 2007 23:06:06
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 27 août 2007 :  23:29:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
-stoked:
To download over bluetooth, adding the resistor on the board is needed. This resistor allows the device to receive commands over bluetooth. You can use the application over USB too though (just like the original application).

-robyr1:
The run_ex.bat file should get the application started on windows. I found the application to work on a PC where no other installation was done, but you may need to install win32comm as explained in the readme.
Once started, the application will open on the connection tab. There you click on the port number that your logger is using (the same port number as the original application. If it is COM4: , click on 4.
Upon connection to a port, the application will jump to the log tab.
Before downloading the log, you might want to check the settings on the 'File' tab. Especially the directory path: it must exist on your computer (or device). On a PC, the directory is located in 'C:\'.
Once the path settings are correct, you can go back to the log tab and click 'Get Log'. In the log you should already see the memory used by the device and the number of log points. While downloading a bar at the bottom of the window will show progress.
If the application reports that a file can not be opened you should check if the path exists and is writeable.

- Once the log is downloaded (or part of it, when you cancel), you can convert it to an output format. You do not need to be connected to convert. To convert, click on of the 'To ...' buttons.
There are a number of options that influence what and how it is written:
- Date range: only data with a date in the range is written;
- UTC: the number of hours added to the logged time in the output.
- One file/ day: a file will be created for each day in the log.
- hght - geiod diff : remove MSL above WGS84 from logged height.
- On the filter tab:
You can set the filter for waypoints or trackpoints.
On first run, 'no fix' is disable for both. And only button is enabled for 'waypoints'.
This will select the type of log points to be written to the output. You can add 'no fix' points or remove 'estimated points', or anything else.
The filter is different for waypoints and trackpoints.
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robyr1

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  07:44:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well!
thanks agaian,you are very very genlte...but i'm not very "userfriendly"with my PC command,so i still don't know how to install your application on windows...sorry!!Anyway,thanks for your GOOD support!
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robyr1

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  08:01:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You think this setup is the cause of my problems?here are the pic of my configuration,suggested from another good user:
http://www.performancetotal.com/temp/btq1000_0.jpg
http://www.performancetotal.com/temp/btq1000_1.jpg
http://www.performancetotal.com/temp/btq1000_2.jpg

This ZDA is important??As i understand,i can't apply any filter downloading my files from BT-Q1000 with Qstarz software...really?
But i can delete some lines!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  10:47:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What you select in the first picture does not matter: these are the sentences sent over bluetooth (and USB): it does not influence what is logged. The less you send over BT, the less power you will consume (when BT is active).

Of course, you can delete some lines. You'll still have to cope with the bugs though !

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robyr1

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  11:00:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
how to detect the bad lines??
sorry for many many many question..!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  13:28:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robyr1

how to detect the bad lines??


Just remove the lines with 'No fix' or 'Estimated'.
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robyr1

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  14:30:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
well!thanks a lot! If you need something,don't hesitate to contact me!
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stoked

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  19:24:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mdeweerd

-stoked:
To download over bluetooth, adding the resistor on the board is needed. This resistor allows the device to receive commands over bluetooth. You can use the application over USB too though (just like the original application).



Is a 1k ohm resistor still recommended per the 2nd post in the MTK tweaks post?
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  20:01:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Is a 1k ohm resistor still recommended per the 2nd post in the MTK tweaks post?


Personally, I tried a smaller resistor but that did not work for USB so I had a look with my oscilloscope.
Following measurements and analysis, I concluded several things, but most importantly:
- It should be 1 to 1.2k;
- The bluetooth incoming connection can not work while the device is plugged on USB.
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stoked

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  20:20:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, so the BT-Q1000 insides should match that photo in the MTK tweak post? I never soldered before and will get a friend to do it for me. Just want to make sure I get all the right info and don't fry my new unit.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 28 août 2007 :  20:42:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Thanks, so the BT-Q1000 insides should match that photo in the MTK tweak post?
It should.

Edited by - mdeweerd on 28 août 2007 21:55:02
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Alex47

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Posted - 29 août 2007 :  10:29:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI,
I do not succeed to setup the wished sentences, as an example I cannot decide to having in output only sentence GPRMC or log only this. I can make this operation? Moreover I do not succeed to setup for the sentences in output from bluetooth at the famous 5Hz. Can you help me? Thanks!
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PowayTom

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Posted - 29 août 2007 :  18:39:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kiwiblade


What I noticed was that I could navigate while in LOG mode?



I cannot NAV in LOG Mode. BT is off on the BT-1000 in LOG mode.

Frankly, I do not think it is a bug at all to LOG in NAV mode. I use this for both NAV and for logging car and walking/hiking trips.

I use LOG mode only for to document time and distance for my exercise walks.

I use NAV for finding my way and for LOGing car trips. I also use it for exercise walking in strange cities.

However, there are car trips where I would like to be able to turn off logging, mostly the familiar routes around town. I use the NAV function just for fun, but don't like filling up the memory.

So what they need is a third NAV only mode.


Tom
Poway, San Diego County, California, USA
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Mark Rejhon

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Posted - 30 août 2007 :  03:34:44  Show Profile  Visit Mark Rejhon's Homepage  Reply with Quote
To the manufacturer of QStarz BT-Q1000 (if you are reading this thread):

A group of us skydivers are testing GPS units for body-gliding (tracking) during skydiving. (See "parachuting" | "tracking" on Wikipedia, and www.trackingderby.com -- some of us wear wingsuits)

One of our favourites is the Wintec WBT-201, but we are tempted by the improved information of 5 Hz operation, so that we can see our glidepaths during skydiving. (fallrates, forward motion, etc -- and plot our paths on Google Earth)

Currently, there appears to be some minor problems with the QStarz BT-Q1000.

From the Internet's most popular skydiving forums (www.dropzone.com), here's talk about testing the QStarz BT-Q1000 for skydiving:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2917065 (QStarz test results)
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2919501 (QStarz vs Wintec WBT201)
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2836020 (Successful use of Wintec WBT201)
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2855670 (Successful use of Wintec WBT201)

If the manufacturer could help us with minor firmware tweaks such as the following:

(1) An option to force the GPS to continuously operate even when logging is turned off. This could be as simple as disabling the automatic-shutoff feature of the GPS in NAV mode (when no Bluetooth host is found). Please add this option to the software, to turn off the automatic-shutoff feature of the GPS puck.
Reason: We want to keep GPS constantly powered on all day long, even if we lose fix for 15 minute periods (such as during the ride in the airplane from ground to jump altitude). This is to allow faster fix on satellites when the jump door opens because the GPS is "hot" rather than "warm" or "cold". When we skydive while wearing GPS, we often can't get a signal inside the jump plane. If we turn on the GPS on the ground before entering the airplane and keep GPS turned on while flying to altitude, the reeastablishment fix is very fast at the jump door. If we have to turn on the GPS inside the airplane, it often takes a long time before the fix is re-established, and often does not re-establish lock quickly enough at the jump door, and we often can't wait long at the jump door, or we overshoot the drop zone area. Therefore, it's important we turn on the GPS on the ground, and sometimes we want to turn on the logging feature while we don't have GPS reception. To turn on/off logging without turning off the GPS, we can simply switch between "NAV" and "LOG" to turn on/off logging, but we want GPS to always stay turned on, even if there are no Bluetooth hosts. However, the unit still automatically powers itself off automatically when it can't find Bluetooth hosts. Therefore, the software needs to be updated so that there's an option in the software, firmware, or tweak utility to turn off the automatic-shutoff feature, if we want to.

(2) Test the software to make sure it is reliable during fast changes in altitude. During skydiving, fallrates vary between 30mph (for wingsuit technique) and 200+mph (for freefly technique) -- typically 120mph for a normal skydive body posture. For wingsuit and for tracking, there is often a lot of horizontal motion - moving forward by 100mph while wearing a wingsuit (see www.trackingderby.com for a photo of a skydiving wingsuit, as an example). Improved ability to handle high-speed altitude changes, will also improve QSTARZ altitude reliability during fast sports such as alpine ski racing, or other extreme sports. This could be as simple as an option to tell the GPS to automatically skip logging GPS points if the altitude information is not reliable (i.e. when there's a lock on only 3 satellites instead of at least 4), since us skydivers aren't interested in datapoints that has no reliable altitude information. Alternatively, if you want to log these datapoints anyway, a method to invalidate alititude information (such as keeping altitude blank rather than recording an inaccurate altitude), so that skydiving logging software such as paralog can recognize this as gaps in altitude information.

Make the logging as "fire-and-forget" as possible. Basically, it should keep trying to re-establish lock on the satellites, and should not automatically power off until the battery dies. If possible, we want to be able to turn on/off the logging. (though we can do that through the switch between NAV/LOG mode, if the auto-shutoff feature can be manually disabled)

The market may be small (about a few hundred GPS users) but this would be good publicity, since many of us recommend GPS units to our friends, family, etc... Your competition has listened to us, so please make the BT-Q1000 skydive friendly too...

Edited by - Mark Rejhon on 30 août 2007 04:02:07
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robyr1

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Posted - 30 août 2007 :  08:52:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
did you tried www.ttsm.com ?? you can see your log moving!!
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  00:23:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Mark

I am not sure that the manufacturer is listening here and if so that he will implement you requests. You could try writing them directly.

At 5Hz, you can log about 3 hours of data. Even when logging 'no fix' data, that can be filtered out later on. My application does that (http://sf.net/projects/bt747).
If you log the NSAT field, then you know how many satelites were used. My app could be updated to be able to filter based on the number of sats in use. It is probably better to filter based on VDOP.

At 2Hz, the fixing data seems improved - you can maintain logging at a lower rate.

I guess that it is possible to change the function of the switch by removing and adding resistors in the right places on the PCB. I suspect that the resistor placements close to the switch define the function of it. To start understanding it, one would need to measure the voltage at the resistor nodes and link that to observed functionality - then one should change the location of the best choice resitors.
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stoked

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  08:49:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
mdeweerd,

My Q1K is using USB com port 18... bt747 only goes to 15, could you please add up to comm 18?

Thanks.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  12:23:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
My Q1K is using USB com port 18... bt747 only goes to 15, could you please add up to comm 18?


No change is needed. In the file 'swserial.properties', write 'USB=COM18:'.
Restart the application and click on USB. It worked for somebody else.
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Alex47

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  15:52:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mdeweerd



HI mdeweerd, I have a problem.
I have tried to make log at 5Hz but the export (from the original program) is valid only in CSV format, that NMEA
sentences (GPRMC) do not have the milliseconds and therefore they are unusable. Is possible, from your program, the export in NMEA sentence? It is not possible to choose the sentence to log as an example only the GPRMC sentence?
Thanks a lot!
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stoked

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  16:56:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks mdeweerd,

I can't find the file swserial.properties. I tried creating it in the root dir of the app but the debug in the terminal box shows it's trying to use COM4.

Also, is it possible to pull the logs via usb on ppc?

Edited by - stoked on 31 août 2007 18:14:11
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  19:37:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have this at the 'run_ex.bat' level.

==== swserial.properties ======
DEFAULT=COM1
IRCOMM=COM2
SIR=COM3
USB=COM4

You can use a utility like 'filemon' or 'procmon' to find out where the program looks for swserial.properties and put it in one of those locations. It could be that the file is found else first and that the local one is not taken ito account.
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 31 août 2007 :  19:44:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Is possible, from your program, the export in NMEA sentence? It is not possible to choose the sentence to log as an example only the GPRMC sentence?
Thanks a lot!


It is possible to export to NMEA and GPRMC is part of the output. Currently it outputs three types like this:
$GPZDA,183427.400,21,08,2007,,*57
$GPGGA,183427.400,4000.0000,N,00200.0000,E,1,10,,79.171,M,0,M,,0*55
$GPRMC,183427.400,A,4000.0000,N,00200.0000,E,0.00,31.173730,210807,,*3D


There is no selection of type of sentences for now.
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stoked

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  19:54:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Found it with procmon. Used your run_ex.bat settings in swserial.properties in the root dir.

Edited by - stoked on 31 août 2007 20:20:14
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Alex47

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  22:09:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mdeweerd

quote:
Is possible, from your program, the export in NMEA sentence? It is not possible to choose the sentence to log as an example only the GPRMC sentence?
Thanks a lot!


It is possible to export to NMEA and GPRMC is part of the output. Currently it outputs three types like this:
$GPZDA,183427.400,21,08,2007,,*57
$GPGGA,183427.400,4000.0000,N,00200.0000,E,1,10,,79.171,M,0,M,,0*55
$GPRMC,183427.400,A,4000.0000,N,00200.0000,E,0.00,31.173730,210807,,*3D


There is no selection of type of sentences for now.



HI,
I have tried to export from your sw, but the error "Could not open /BT747/BT747Log.bin" makes me to understand that I must indicate a various path. Which it is? I have a QSTARZ 1000 ...
Thanks.
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stoked

43 Posts

Posted - 31 août 2007 :  22:11:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Alex47,

You need to specify an OUTPUT path not the input. Change it to C:\ or something like that.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 31 août 2007 :  22:26:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
You need to specify an OUTPUT path not the input. Change it to C:\ or something like that.


The path must exist: did you create C:\BT747 in your case.
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Alex47

23 Posts

Posted - 31 août 2007 :  23:31:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mdeweerd

quote:
You need to specify an OUTPUT path not the input. Change it to C:\ or something like that.


The path must exist: did you create C:\BT747 in your case.



I'm sorry ... ! Thanks .. but i have another problem ...
after downloading data, the conversion are stopped after 40 sec (CSV and NMEA format). Why? Where mistake?

Edited by - Alex47 on 31 août 2007 23:33:53
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 01 sept. 2007 :  01:15:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
I'm sorry ... ! Thanks .. but i have another problem ...
after downloading data, the conversion are stopped after 40 sec (CSV and NMEA format). Why? Where mistake?


Maybe a lot of the data is 'No fix'. Try with all the tickboxes on the Filter tab on and see what that gives.
If you still get insufficient data (also compared to the original application), I propose that you send me the 'bin' file in order to debug the decoding.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 01 sept. 2007 :  17:39:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

quote:
I'm sorry ... ! Thanks .. but i have another problem ...
after downloading data, the conversion are stopped after 40 sec (CSV and NMEA format). Why? Where mistake?



The problem reported by Alex47 is now resolved. He was logging satellite data : some of the reverse engineering was not complete and the variable lenght records needed to be handled better too.
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robyr1

36 Posts

Posted - 03 sept. 2007 :  17:36:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok!now i set my BT-Q1000 @5 hz,but if i try this unit to log for 7-8 hours,what'is the best setup?i don't need this update rate for this test...
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stoked

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Posted - 13 sept. 2007 :  10:01:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How does the CTRL work? The 4 variables are Time, Speed, Distance, and fix. If I set more than 1 variable does the unit start logging when all variables hit their thresholds? Or does it start logging when one of the variables hits one of the thresholds?

What setting would you guys suggest for these 3 activities? Walking around the city, taking a train, and taking a flight? Right now, I just have it set to log at 5sec internvals.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 15 sept. 2007 :  10:25:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any condition triggers logging a point.

I now set the log reason to distance: this avoids loggings points where the lock is incorrect. I set the distance to 50 or 100 meters.

It all depends on what information you want. If 50 m accuracy is good enough for you for phototagging, then this will do, if not, a smaller distance is required, or you could set time logging to something between 10 and 30s considering that when taking a picture you usually stand still for a moment.

The more points you log, the less clock wall time the device will be actually logging. So you need to consider the total amount of points you can log and the time that you want to log. From that you can get an idea about the time interval.
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travisn000

37 Posts

Posted - 08 oct. 2007 :  04:15:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PowayTom

quote:
Originally posted by kiwiblade


What I noticed was that I could navigate while in LOG mode?



I cannot NAV in LOG Mode. BT is off on the BT-1000 in LOG mode.

Frankly, I do not think it is a bug at all to LOG in NAV mode. I use this for both NAV and for logging car and walking/hiking trips.

I use LOG mode only for to document time and distance for my exercise walks.

I use NAV for finding my way and for LOGing car trips. I also use it for exercise walking in strange cities.

However, there are car trips where I would like to be able to turn off logging, mostly the familiar routes around town. I use the NAV function just for fun, but don't like filling up the memory.

So what they need is a third NAV only mode.





I was considering an iTrek Z1 for this very reason...

According to it's owners manual, the Nav button shuts off logging, but in the Log mode Bluetooth is still available. To me this makes more sense, as it allows you to conserve memory when logging is not needed. You could also use the nav-log switch (in theory) to log a single point if needed.

Unfortunately, I haven't found a supplier selling a Z1 with firmware 1.94. It was reported by one user that Semsons was shipping a Z1 with the updated firmware:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=92376

However, after contacting Semsons, they report that they are shipping firmware v1.92. They did state that correction to the low speed problems started in v1.92... Can anyone confirm this??
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neoshi

13 Posts

Posted - 08 oct. 2007 :  06:46:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please note: The BT-Q1000 will be offered in 51-ch form soon. No word as to which version firmware it is, but it's definitely newer than v1.94 (maybe it's the 2.00?). Also, I've received word that it should come on sale soon for approximately $15 more than the Q1000.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 oct. 2007 :  14:57:21  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the update, the 51 channels is pure marketing (original 32 channels plus 19 SBAS satellites), but it will be interesting to see the impact of a new firmware. Given the excellent performance of v1.94, it won't be easy to spot!

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gpspassion

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Posted - 25 oct. 2007 :  15:03:19  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I must be missing something here, but I can't get the PC application of the Q1000 (or of the i747) to output the $GPGGA message in the NMEA stream so I don't get any altitude readings, even though it was logged. Same for the KML output it seems...

UPDATED 20071025 : The PC application lets you export logged data to .nma (NMEA) and .kml (Google Earth) formats but the exported data is limited (no altitude for instance) and hard-coded. The settings in the "Log Format" page ONLY apply to the .csv format so if you need a GPX or KML with the full height/speed information you'll need to convert your .csv file via www.gpsvisualizer.com.

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Luh

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Posted - 01 nov. 2007 :  13:16:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi guys,
I've got one question. Shouldn't be a problem to get it working with my iPAQ h2200 (with Windows CE ver. 4.20), the bluetooth is ver. 1.1
I hope it is still compatible even this is a little bit old buddy:-)
thanks
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gigi4791

1 Posts

Posted - 13 nov. 2007 :  21:53:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gpspassion:
Can I get altitude readings from q1000 into EXIF file (for geotagging), if I'm using gpsvisualizer.com or other software? So, it will be like one more step, that's the only problem? thanks a lot.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 13 nov. 2007 :  23:41:32  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Provided you save as .csv and convert to GPX with gpsvisualizer you'll have the altitude info in the log, not sure you would add the altitude automatically in the EXIF though ?

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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 14 nov. 2007 :  19:31:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you use http://sf.net/projects/bt747 , you can output the data to GPX or NMEA directly.

Id did not see any tool adding the elevation data to the EXIF information yet, but I am sure some can do and you could try to get Francois who is writing GPiSync to keep up on his promise:
http://groups.google.com/group/gpicsync/browse_thread/thread/66bd95a292b991b2

Maybe the following tool adds elevation (height) information, but I did not reinstall it to try (it is in german).
http://www.gps-freeware.de/Beschreibung.aspx

EDITED: Added a space between the link and the ','

Edited by - mdeweerd on 16 nov. 2007 19:18:57
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:01:34  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi, first time here. I just purchased the Q1000 and its pretty good as far as Satellite acquisition goes. However what in Gods name were QSTARZ thinking of not to NOT include .GPX file saves in the provided PC utility program? Also, when saving out in NMEA you lose the altitude data! Great Hardware only to be let down by appalling software. The unit has been rendered practically useless without this complete info.

I've seen the GPSVisualiser thingy but that just adds another program into the equation (and relies on being online) plus the fact im also doing all this on a PC & MAC. For the Mac, GPSPhotoLinker doesnt recognize any of the outputted formats from the Q1000. PC Utility program; Using the GPSBabale program just presents it with further confusion as file formats are not clearly indicated in the drop down lists and other drop down menus dont match the input files name.

Clearly, GeoTagging Utilities have a very long way to go but im disappointed ive just spent £60 on a DataLogger I cannot fully use.

QSTARZ, get your act together.. missing FULL .GPX output is like forgetting to put the wheels on a car!
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stoked

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Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:14:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
mdeweerd,

Did you even read the thread? The post above you by mdeweerd links the program that most people here probably use. I haven't touched the Qstarz program since I bought it. mdeweerd's program outputs practically any format you want.
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:26:51  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
YES stoked I did read the thread.. your problem is YOU DIDNT READ MY POST!
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:32:01  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
the http://sf.net/projects/bt747 is also a broken link so still cant use anything.
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travisn000

37 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:35:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I find sourceforge pages to often be tempermental; however, I just tried it and it does work for me..

also, I think the link on the prevous page had the comma from the sentence in the link.. try it again without !)
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stoked

43 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:40:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sting,

The link mdeweerd pposted had an extra ' in it. If you click on your link in your post it works actually.

As per the original qstarz program... don't hold your breath. These chinese/taiwanese companies generally don't care once you've bought their product. I wouldn't have bought this logger if bt747 wasn't available. mdeweerd's bt747 should be packaged with the hardware to be honest. As for altitude, I recall bt747 keeping my altitude data in the gpx output but I can't really remember for certain. bt747 does have an option for (hght - geiod) for the output file as requested by some skydivers.
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  01:51:03  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hmmm cannot get gpx file from this program. just says "could not open /bt747/bt747log.bin ??
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travisn000

37 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  03:56:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is found starting on the bottom of page 6 and continuing on page 7 of this thread... essentialy you need to create a working directory for the program:

quote:
The path must exist: did you create C:\BT747
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  11:42:09  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Q1. I have mine set to the stadard factory defaults but have mine to log every 5 seconds. However, I want it to stop logging when im stationary (to save log memory of course), Can this be done easily?

Q2. Upon starting the program I keep getting a DOS window appear behind the main Interface, says something about missing resource bundle: SWserial_en_GB or something? Then says its connect on COM3. It appears to work ok, just annoying extra window.

Q3. why does it say when downlaoding Log "The Data DownLoading Does Not Correspond With Previous Data"? I didnt change anything... I think!

Q4. Any thoughts on an Intel Mac version?

thanks in advance.

Edited by - Sting on 16 nov. 2007 20:08:49
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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  16:43:28  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Pretty OT here and lost on those using a 747, 757, etc...High time to start a new thread to discuss this program.

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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  16:52:18  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
[SNIP]

totally agree.. need more more more info on this program.. ahhh!

NOTE BY GPSPSASION : just hit the "new topic" button and copy/paste your questions, you can add the download link too.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  20:08:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello

There is kind of a thread for this program on this site:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=85368 .
Most people look at their device type though to look for information and that thread titles 'i-blue 747' so I tend to reply in the threads where the question is.

There is documentation for the program on the sourceforge site, just download the PDF. I did not add the latest features yet, but those features are rather advanced stuff.

Response to the questions:

Q1: All log conditions are combined (OR function). The only way to get an AND function with the time is to set the fix period to the log interval and then another condition. In your case you could set the fix period to 5000 ms and the distance condition to 15m for example. However, I guess that getting a fix only once every 5 s will have an impact on accuracy. Personally, I use the distance condition only and I set my fix period to 500ms. When not moving, nothing is logged and otherwise I get a point every 30 meters.


Q2: There must be a way to avoid the console window, I've looked again, but did not find the way yet.

Q3: By default, incremental download is active. I added a check to validate that the data coming from the device corresponds to the data already downloaded before to the raw data file (*.bin). This message could also pop up if the data downloaded before was less than say 1000 bytes. This message avoids accidentally overwriting data you wanted to actually keep and should popup only if you erased your log.

Q4: Should work on Mac already. Some users confirm that. However, you may need to do some stuff to make it work - look in the forums of the project.


"Question" in one of the earlier messages from Sting:
When writing to NMEA with my program, the altitude data is not lost - it is in the GPGGA sentence.
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Sting

United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 nov. 2007 :  20:15:26  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you mdeweerd for your detailed response. I think QSTARZ should be paying you for this!!

Edited by - Sting on 16 nov. 2007 21:26:05
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Sting

United Kingdom
21 Posts

Posted - 17 nov. 2007 :  20:30:36  Show Profile  Visit Sting's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Question:

I will be travelling through Europe for about 2 weeks and want to record tracks and geotag all my photos. How are people managing to use the Q1000 without d/loading the tracks for long periods? I've got a pocket PC with plenty of space but one cannot attach the Q1000 to it can they. (I know about the bluetooth hack mod thing, thats a hardware mod and no way am i doing that, dont have the tools nor the knowledge and i want my warranty thanks!)

thanQ
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kelist00

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 29 nov. 2007 :  03:30:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't have BT, but wondering if the Qstarz BT-Q1000 (or i-Blue 747) supports live nav over USB. I understand that the unit may turn off after a short period if it receives no BT .
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andye

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Posted - 30 nov. 2007 :  12:56:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sting

Question:
I will be travelling through Europe...



I did the resistor hack on the BT-Q1000, it was no problem at all. Can now download the logs with the BT747 on my iPaq over Bluetooth. The case opened at the top without the big knife, with just a little pull & twist.

The device does nav in USB mode. The timeout only affects the Bluetooth mode to save power. In log mode it'll run till the battery drops out.

I am not sure if you can connect from a Pocket PC via USB. You could setup the logging (from a PC) to distance-only, not time-triggered, perhaps. That would reduce the amount of logging. You'll probably want to set logging to stop instead of overwrite when full. Delete the existing log before you go. All those operations can be reliably done with the software that came with it. Or use BT747 on a PC (if you're not doing the resistor hack), it works great and has more options.

Andy

Edited by - andye on 30 nov. 2007 12:59:12
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Lyjo

Poland
1 Posts

Posted - 23 déc. 2007 :  12:09:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

First- I'm new on this forum so I want to say hello :)

Now question: Can you tell me straight If there is any changes in firmware or hardware in new QSTARZ Q1000 "51 channels performance version"?

Lyjo

Edited by - Lyjo on 23 déc. 2007 14:19:41
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gpspassion

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Posted - 23 déc. 2007 :  22:28:07  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'd say no ;-)
Even between v1.94 and v2.00 I'm not seeing any major difference.

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bgiddins

Australia
5 Posts

Posted - 25 déc. 2007 :  13:41:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How many hours logging can be expected with the Q1000 with the logging set to every 3 seconds?

Ben
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mdeweerd

799 Posts

Posted - 28 déc. 2007 :  03:56:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That would be about: 50000 pts / ( 20 pts/min) / (60 min/hour) = 50000/1200 = 41.66 hours.
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anhall

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Posted - 20 févr. 2008 :  09:51:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any software for pocketpc to download the logs from the Qstarz BT-1000 / iblue 747 / iblue 757 ?
Found some test app at Qstarz for PDA, but I dont think you can download the logs with it.
Would be great to transfer the logs to a PDA during a long trip.
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mdeweerd

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Posted - 20 févr. 2008 :  10:34:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://sf.net/projects/bt747 does the download job.
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travisn000

37 Posts

Posted - 20 févr. 2008 :  22:44:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I bought a MTK logger with full intention of doing the blue tooth hack, but then discovered an inexpensive handy little windows mobile app called GPS Speed sentry..

http://www.tchartdev.com/gps_ss.htm

..It is a $15 program (trial available) that is designed mainly for monitering speed while driving, but has a number of handy features, including the ability to log in a variety of formats (user defined cvs data, kml, etc), and POI recording. It also has a setting to mirror/reverse the screen so that you can use your windows mobile device to project a small Heads Up Display (HUD) onto your windshield to display the various informative displays that are available while driving..

The nice thing about using my WM phone for logging is that I can log directly to a memory card in the format of my choice.. no downloading and converting, and log size is limited only by battery life and card size! I can even upload to the web, or email it home using my cellular data connection.

EDIT:
I Just came accross this thread / software:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101188
..it also looks like another good option!

Edited by - travisn000 on 22 févr. 2008 02:58:45
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buteo2

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Posted - 23 févr. 2008 :  00:48:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi:

I've just purchased a QSTARZ 1000 and received one of the new 'Platinum' version. Quite surprised to find that BT747 works perfectly over Bluetooth on my PocketPC, so it looks like they installed the resistor to make the Bluetooth send and receive. Downloads are fine, all BT747 functions seem to work. Thought this might be helpful...

Information from BT747 Con page:
FlashInfo: 1C20161C (EON,4MB)
Model:0005 (Holux M-241)
Firmware:B-core_1.1
V1.39(15.02.2008) Logger: V1.38
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gpspassion

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Posted - 23 févr. 2008 :  01:24:00  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the forums. I was about to give the link for the Q1000P/v2 topic -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=107322 ! I started a new one since the hardare features are different and the software is new, you can do a cut/paste over there ;-)

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PowayTom

USA
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Posted - 22 mars 2008 :  00:01:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BT setup to Palm Treo 755p on Sprint
All of a sudden, the BT light on BT-Q1000 remains on. The Palm shows it connected, but Tom Tom Navigator 6 does not receive the signal.

Anyone else had this problem?

Tom
Poway, San Diego County, California, USA
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gpspassion

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Posted - 22 mars 2008 :  16:05:14  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You mean it works fine for a while then stops ? Looks like the unstable Palm BT stack is acting up again :-(

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PowayTom

USA
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Posted - 24 mars 2008 :  02:46:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

You mean it works fine for a while then stops ? Looks like the unstable Palm BT stack is acting up again :-(


I never get a connection that the TomTom can connect to. The phone shows it as being connected to the qstarz, but the BT indicator on the Qstarz stays a steady blue (pairing mode according to the qstarz manual).

Tom
Poway, San Diego County, California, USA
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rakerman

Canada
30 Posts

Posted - 05 oct. 2008 :  16:45:56  Show Profile  Visit rakerman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Travel Recorder versions supported?

I updated to Travel Recorder 4.2 but I can't get it to talk to the BT-Q1000.
I can connect fine if I use Travel Recorder 2.4 "Built" 102.
Do I need to do a firmware update on the logger, or is it just not supported at all?

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