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 [TOPIC] TomTom GO 720 with Navigator v7 - Reviews
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Team GpsPasSion

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Posted - 05 juin 2007 :  20:07:01  Show Profile  Visit Team GpsPasSion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
UPDATED20070809

TomTom GO 720 ON THE ROAD - PROS AND CONS


Been spending more time with the 720t in California, side by side with the nüvi 680 and the Navigon 7100 and it's got a lot going for it and some shortcomings :

    PROS AND CONS - COMPARED :

  1. Fortes : Smooth map display, quick POI/address search, alternate route menus, setting a via point for an town (Garmin forces you to choose a street), quick POI recording, an informative route list that shows the towns you will be crossing, to highlight its main fortes.


  2. Unfortunately the ETA problems seen on the previous generations of the US models remain with a 25% overstatement in some cases (very annoying on long trips, ok in town) and as a result it chooses routes that don't always make sense. Oddly enough the Mio H610 that uses the same TeleAtlas maps doesn't have that ETA problem.

    UPDATE - more trips and more problems, a Sunnyvale to Monterey trip comes up at 1h49' on the 720 for an 81 mile trip via the 101 and 1h51 for a 73 mile trop via CA-17 the better route unless you drive a large truck. The garmin 680 and iNav v3 suggest that same 73 mile route for respectively and 1h20 and 1h22'. The Navigon 7100 suggests the 81 mile route in 1h33' and blocking 101 the 73 mile route in 1h28. The actual travel time was 1h20, so the overestimate by TomTom is 30' for a 1h20' route, i.e. 40% !

    While some may think this is a detail, I've found over the years that the best assistance I get from a GPS system, other than the route to get to my destination, is the time it will take me to get there, barring any incidents. The 720 fails in this respect.


  3. Being a "tourist" here, I'm finding myself using POIs a lot more than I do in Europe and while the search feature is convenient, it lacks a lot of POIs compared to the Mio or the Garmin 680 (the Garmin searches slowly though).


  4. Using the SD card : unlike the other TomTom unit with built-in flash and and an SD Slot, the ONE v3 and XL, the SD slot can be used to store maps and MP3s (place in \mp3 folder)


  5. Voice recognition : (not available in the US at least with my test model) it works ok, can't say I find it very useful since you still have to press a key to get the process going, you might as well type the address the directly. I would rather have a remote control like on the 910


  6. 720t vs 680 : if I had to choose I'd pick the 680, in spite of its shortcomings compared to the 720 (mostly the graphical guidance), for its better ETA and also because the MSN Traffic feature with the "flow" data is quite accurate. TomTom has not announced any plans to support traffic information via RDS in the US at this point.


  7. Plugin compatibility : Roussillat has explained that there was little hope that his plugins would work as TomTom has once again changed its code and have stated that there were no plans for a new SDK.


  8. 720 vs 910 : those who own a 910 and don't have GPS reception problems can probably pass on the 720 at this point especially with the v7 update being planned for the fall. The 720 feels like a glorified ONE XL, that also lacks a holder with connections (power, audio, antenna, TMC), a powerful loudspeaker and a remote


New thread to discuss MapShare ->MapShare - Previewed


Links on TomTom's site :
- TomTom Reveals the new TomTom GO Range
- TomTom Introduces MapShare to improve maps
- Ground-breaking Set of Safety Features in New GO Range



EDIT BY GPSPASSION 20070605
"TomTom has introduced the TomTom GO 720 with a new collaborative mapping feature called TomTom Map Share. This new feature allows users to update map information themselves based on current conditions and optionally share these changes with other users (changes will be vetted by TomTom before being published). The GO 720 is scheduled to ship in July with U.S. and Canada maps with a list price of $499" - source

Craig

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Edited by - cpatchett on 05 juin 2007 20:11:45

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gpspassion

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Posted - 05 juin 2007 :  20:29:23  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for posting, did some formatting and added pics and links from TomTom's site.

MapShare sounds exciting, we'll see how it pans out though as map making is a collossal task (ask Navteq or Teleatlas...) and TomTom will need to dedicate massive ressources to make it work properly and useful for users to bother. The last time they involved their "mapping experts", they came up with very poor speedcam POIs. Another problem is that a "web 2.0" concept headed a billion dollar company might not be everyone's cup of tea, so we shall see...

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generalpatsajak

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Posted - 05 juin 2007 :  21:37:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So many people (including myself) are curious about how this Map Share feature will work. I think its a great idea and will certainly make the GO 720 stand out from competing devices.

And, yes, map making is truly a colossal task. The other day I read about a woman whose job is to drive through major cities and take street-level photos for Tele Atlas. Sometimes it's easy to forget that actual humans are behind these maps, not just a bunch of satellites.
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RedRover1

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Posted - 06 juin 2007 :  01:20:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I second that, MapShare could be a very good idea especially if the GPS lets you collect the geometry and you just add the attributes. Can also be an advantage for Teleatlas.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 06 juin 2007 :  13:40:30  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well that's the second thing I was hinting at, they're going to have to find a way of "selling" the concept to users, who might be "non-plussed" about helping two billion dollar companies improve their maps for free and getting an edge over the competition with nothing in return for the users. I wonder if MapShare is one of the reasons TomTom and Navteq parted ways ?

Here are some screenshots from clubic that give an idea of how the map modifications will work :




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RedRover1

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Posted - 06 juin 2007 :  22:06:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But isn't that what people do when they report the errors now to TeleAtlas and NAVTEQ? I don't think the data coming out of MapShare will be of the type that TeleAtlas could/would want to drop into their database without verification.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 06 juin 2007 :  22:45:28  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Right, but how many people really do it ? There's really no way of knowing. Going by what gets changed either few people are doing it or NT and TA are ignoring/filtering the comments.If NT and TA can't make good use of the data, how are TomTom going to do it ? Broadcasting "raw" changes doesn't sound like a good idea. Anyway let's hope they upgrade all the TT AIOs to V7 to get the largest possible user base.
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RedRover1

USA
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Posted - 07 juin 2007 :  02:48:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agree that there are still a lot of questions on how this will be implemented. As far as how many users send in corrections, if this article is correct NAVTEQ claims the get about 80,000 a day.

http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/story/1443501/

quote:
Smith said they get about 80,000 requests a day for corrections or additions
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generalpatsajak

USA
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Posted - 08 juin 2007 :  20:10:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RedRover1

But isn't that what people do when they report the errors now to TeleAtlas and NAVTEQ? I don't think the data coming out of MapShare will be of the type that TeleAtlas could/would want to drop into their database without verification.



TomTom and Tele Atlas have been partners for a long time, but I think it's too early to speculate on whether their will be some kind of useful partnership between Map Share and TA's Map Insight. Lots of people rave about Map Insight so I'd expect a similar reaction to Map Share? We'll see.
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garygid

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Posted - 14 juin 2007 :  18:53:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think that TA's Map Insight is awkward to use, and does not
even display address ranges, so it is very difficult to offer
good corrections.

If well implemented, TT's Map Share could easily be a major breakthrough.
Are any of these new units available yet?
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garygid

USA
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Posted - 14 juin 2007 :  19:04:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Look here for a lot of great screen shots of GO520 / GO720:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/tomtomcannes07.php
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generalpatsajak

USA
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Posted - 14 juin 2007 :  22:25:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Map Share screenshots are interesting - makes much more sense to me now, to see how this is going to work. I can't wait for the actual implementation.

As for Map Insight, I don't find it awkward. I am curious though about how the two will compare logistically.
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garygid

USA
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Posted - 16 juin 2007 :  01:19:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, maybe "awkward to use" was incorrect.
Some things it can do relatively well.

However, perhaps something closer to "impossible"
(to do some other things) would be more accurate?

For example, try adding a new road or street
near Saint Peter Port, United Kingdom.

Like you, I am anxious to see if the Map Share is
well implemented. If it is, it will be a great
selling feature, even if one only uses it to correct
one's own local maps and never shares the changes at all.

Cheers, Gary

Edited by - garygid on 16 juin 2007 01:24:11
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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 juin 2007 :  02:18:00  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Since MapShare is certainly an exciting new development, it deserved its own discussion thread, here it is MapShare - Previewed ;-)

We'll keep this one for the actual navigation systems, 520/720.

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garygid

USA
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Posted - 16 juin 2007 :  21:04:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What GPS chipset does the GO720 have?
Is it a Sirf-III (or better)?

I am really impressed with how well the Sirf-III works in the MIO C310x.

GO720 Speech recognition: Is it really not available in the U.S.?
If not, major bummer!

Some sites say "only in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany,
Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland and the UK."
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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 juin 2007 :  22:18:20  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
SiRFstarIII yes, it seems the Globallocate Hammerhead is on the ONE range only.

Can't see why speech recognition wouldn't be available in the US, after all they speak English in the UK too ;-) We'll see !

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