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danham

USA
7448 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  18:25:37  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
from Garmin's web site:

Changes made from version 2.3.2 to 2.4.0:

Added support for Windows Mobile devices.
Added support for uninstalling all custom POI's from a device.
Added support for subcategories of POI's.
Added support for handling individual bitmap symbols for each subcategory of POI's.
Added support for jpeg (.jpg) images that can be associated with POI's.
Added support for wave (.wav) files POI alerts.
Added support for allowing users to specify a 'Link' directory that contain POI associations, such as bitmap (.bmp) symbols, jpeg (.jpg) images, mp3 (.mp3) audio files, or wave (.wav) audio files.
Added support for contact information and address information that can be specified in a GPX (.gpx) file.
Added a command line option to POI Loader to run automatically without requiring user interaction.
Added the ability to choose POI files to ignore.
Check for validity of the drive name in the POI path.

- Nüvi forum moderator -
Nüvi 760 in a '14 VW GTI & zumo 660 on a BMW F800 ST
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jotne

Norway
1685 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  18:30:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1673

Previously owned : GPS "eTrex Yellow" "GPSmap 76S" "GPSMap 60CS" "GPSMAP 60CSx" "Nüvi 660"
Unit I have now :"Nüvi 760 EU" "Nüvi 765" "Edge 305" "Colorado 300"
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NanaimoRick

Canada
7762 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  18:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting that the file download page says the file is dated Sept 6, 2006. Been in beta a while it seems.

Rick James - Nuvi Forum Moderator
Nuvi 350 - Nuvi 760 - Nuvi 1695LM - Nuvi 3790LMT (with ecoRoutes HD) - Nuvi 2460LMT - Nuvi 3597LMTHD (with ecoRoutes HD) also TomTom 540S for side by side comparison >> Here <<
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jotne

Norway
1685 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  18:59:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did install it,but have trouble to find what version I am running.

PS the file itself is also dated sept 6

Previously owned : GPS "eTrex Yellow" "GPSmap 76S" "GPSMap 60CS" "GPSMAP 60CSx" "Nüvi 660"
Unit I have now :"Nüvi 760 EU" "Nüvi 765" "Edge 305" "Colorado 300"

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hcornea

Australia
599 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  21:45:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This goes a long way, if it really adds customised alerts.
Now all we need is times and directionality for POI alerts

Jotne: click the icon in the upper left corner, which will enable you to select "About POILoader" from the dropdown menu. That will give you the version number
....probably better to continue on the POI thread

Garmin Streetpilot c320, Garmin GPSMap 60Csx, Garmin Nuvi 660, ForeRunner 305, Carminder GPS (Yes I'm hooked)

Edited by - hcornea on 08 déc. 2006 21:53:46
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Skiddy

USA
67 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  23:21:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The features here appear suspiciously like the TourGuide functionality in mapsource. Do you think this is Garmin's way of getting out of having to give the DVD to Nuvi customers? most of us have been using this as our justification to get a hold of the software. Just a thought!

Currently using: Nuvi 660
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danham

USA
7448 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  23:33:52  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I kind of doubt it. First, they still have to support MapSource as part of the map update package. Second, they give POI Loader away. If we want to dream up a draconian scheme hatched by Garmin it would more likely be that they would withhold those functions and make everyone pay for a copy of MapSource if you want it independent of a map update.

-dan

- Nüvi forum moderator -
Nüvi 760 in a '14 VW GTI & zumo 660 on a BMW F800 ST
Guide to working with pre-programmed routes: >> details <<
Language Guide / US Topo / 350 & 680 / MacBook & Intel iMac with OS X & Win XP / BaseCamp / Cape Cod, MA
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hcornea

Australia
599 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  23:42:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The custom sounds for POI alerts work!! See my post:

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34316

Finally, there is a difference b/w speedcam and redlightcam noises! Now if I could just find a suitable noise!

Garmin Streetpilot c320, Garmin GPSMap 60Csx, Garmin Nuvi 660, ForeRunner 305, Carminder GPS (Yes I'm hooked)
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Skiddy

USA
67 Posts

Posted - 08 déc. 2006 :  23:45:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm definitely NOT complaining, ANY new feature/functionality is most welcome

Currently using: Nuvi 660
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 11 déc. 2006 :  01:44:20  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So is anyone going to tell me if this stuff actually works ?

> Added support for jpeg (.jpg) images that can be associated with POI's.

Where does the image show up ?

> Added support for contact information and address information that can be specified in a GPX (.gpx) file.

Does that mean you can make phone numbers that work ?

Throw me a bone, here.

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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cfw

Belgium
278 Posts

Posted - 11 déc. 2006 :  11:15:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tried jpg.



When you touch the small image you will get a view as in Picture Viewer.
I tried MP3 and though it is in the POI ( I can see because of the POIs size) I don't see yet how to make it play. I wil try with a WAV sound today. I imagine the sound is going to play when I arrive at that particular POI location.

Nuvi 300 GTM11- Nuvi 660T

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cfw

Belgium
278 Posts

Posted - 11 déc. 2006 :  14:11:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
this readme file comes with it :

http://www.gpspassion.com/upload/poi_loader_readme.pdf

now I succeeded in using wav. file with my POI but the wav gets incorporated in your poi. A simple poi is 1 or 2 KB, a poi with for ex. a wav file of 43 KB becomes a 86 KB gpi file. I have not tried this with a 500 redlight camera's poi s witch would have all the same sound included.

Nuvi 300 GTM11- Nuvi 660T

Edited by - cfw on 11 déc. 2006 14:13:36
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m4rk

331 Posts

Posted - 11 déc. 2006 :  21:09:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I pleased with the beta so far. Now I finally have a way to organise how the POI's appear in the lists on the Nuvi. They used to be one big mess of POI's on the Nuvi. Now I can finally sort them into folders and arrange them alphabetically making it easier to find things on the Nuvi

Nuvi350, LooxN560

Edited by - m4rk on 11 déc. 2006 21:12:26
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 12 déc. 2006 :  04:55:32  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hcornea

The custom sounds for POI alerts work!!

You know what this means, don't you ? We're going to see sponsoring of GPS units: as you approach a branch of Dunkin' Donuts it's going to say "Mmmmm. I fancy a donut about now !".

Okay, I got it all to work: Phone numbers and addresses were my main interest and Garmin have been very clever about implementing them in a compact manner. Props and snaps to the Garmin firmware programmers. Now lets see addresses and multi-phone numbers work for .gpx files.

In answer to a point raised by cfw, when bitmaps are used for map icons, the bitmap is included just once in the file, and all the waypoints point to the same copy. It would be interesting to see if it's that clever about other resources. I don't have a Windows machine so I can't test it.

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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swing

United Kingdom
346 Posts

Posted - 12 déc. 2006 :  23:23:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Certainly having loaded a number of WAV files to support some Custom POIs, there's no way it adds the WAV file for each POI - I suspect it only includes each resource once.

The WAV file support works well, except one little thing - with no WAV file, there is a small difference between the initial warning of an upcoming POI and the overspeed warning for a POI, but with a WAV file it uses the same WAV file for both sounds. It would be nice if Garmin offered a facility for selecting a second WAV file for the overspeed warning.
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 14 déc. 2006 :  06:33:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I may have found a bug in the Beta version (2.40) of POILoader when using with Nuvi 350. I setup my folders with various csv files including a file for radar traps which are in a gpx format. For the some of the categories that have one waypoint in the file, when I select that name from the Custom POI list on my Nuvi, it jumps to my radar trap listing and does not display the single waypoint. I tried renaming the single waypoint files but no diference. I am stumped. Any suggestions. If not, I will notify Garmin.

Thanks,

HPatlik

Edited by - hpatlik on 14 déc. 2006 06:34:59
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 28 déc. 2006 :  05:14:05  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swing

Certainly having loaded a number of WAV files to support some Custom POIs, there's no way it adds the WAV file for each POI - I suspect it only includes each resource once.

I have since checked. That's true for everything except JPEGs. With sounds and bitmap icons, the resource is included once with the category and each point can refer to whichever resource it wants. So you could have 125 points loaded, with each referring to one of five sounds and having one of five icons and still get minimum filesize. For some reason JPEGs work differently: the actual data is included in with the point, so twelve points with the same JPEG image mean you'll get the data included in the file twelve times.

This sort-of makes sense. Most POI lists will be happy using the same icon for all points and the same sounds for warnings. But detailed JPEG image is probably going to be an image of a particular point, not something that applies to lots of points.

quote:
Originally posted by swing

The WAV file support works well, except one little thing - with no WAV file, there is a small difference between the initial warning of an upcoming POI and the overspeed warning for a POI, but with a WAV file it uses the same WAV file for both sounds. It would be nice if Garmin offered a facility for selecting a second WAV file for the overspeed warning.

I've experimented with including multiple links for one point. As far as I can tell, although the software doesn't outright reject such things, it only expects one link of each kind per point: one sound (.wav or .mp3), one bitmap for an icon, and one JPEG for display.

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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eneref

33 Posts

Posted - 28 déc. 2006 :  15:53:52  Show Profile  Visit eneref's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Has anyone gotten transparency to work on the little POI icons? The documentation says it needs to be magenta (with the RGB values given), but I've tried that colour, and it just shows up as magenta on my Nuvi and not transparent.
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 28 déc. 2006 :  18:33:22  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I failed too. I tried Magenta in a number of ways. I also tried using the alpha-channel in bitmaps that were going to be incorporated into the file. It seems to ignore that too. If anyone has any transarency working on icons for the nüvi please tell me about it and I'll figure out how to do it. Until then I have to conclude that the nüvi just does support transparency.

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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jamas_331

France
11 Posts

Posted - 29 déc. 2006 :  22:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hcornea

The custom sounds for POI alerts work!! See my post:

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34316

Finally, there is a difference b/w speedcam and redlightcam noises! Now if I could just find a suitable noise!


Does it work on the C320, on the Nuvi or on the 60CSX or on the three ?
On my Steetpilot i3, it does not work.

Jamas

Nuvi 600 iQue 3000
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hcornea

Australia
599 Posts

Posted - 30 déc. 2006 :  00:54:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It works on the nuvi, and I am told the c320 (haven't tried the 60Csx, I haven't loaded the custom POI set on that unit - but I doubt it)

Garmin Streetpilot c320, Garmin GPSMap 60Csx, Garmin Nuvi 660, ForeRunner 305, Carminder GPS (Yes I'm hooked)
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jamas_331

France
11 Posts

Posted - 30 déc. 2006 :  20:01:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the reply hcornea
I have been told it doesn't work for the C320 either.
Can you check with your C320 and report the GPSr firmware release if it works ?

Jamas

Nuvi 600 iQue 3000

Edited by - jamas_331 on 01 janv. 2007 22:03:45
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martinwahlstrom

Sweden
3 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  15:54:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't get wav POI alerts to work on my nuvi 660.
POI Loader 2.4.0.1

I have an X.csv, X.bmp and X.wav.
The csv and bmp works ok, but i still don't get the wav-sound when reaching a position. Only the standard beep.

What am i doing wrong?
Does the wav file have be refered to from within the csv file or similar?
It's a simle .csv with lat,long,name. All the POI's in it works ok, but not the wav with the same name.


Garmin nüvi 660
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  16:03:46  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you look at the details screen on your nuvi for one of the alert points, is there a button that lets you play the wav file ?

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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Stowaway

USA
11 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  16:39:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by martinwahlstrom

I can't get wav POI alerts to work on my nuvi 660.
POI Loader 2.4.0.1

I can't get this Beta to work on my 670 either!

Delorme StreetAtlas on laptop and iPAQ PPC with EarthMate BT GPS, eTrex Legend, Nuvi 670 NOW!
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BAVC10

United Kingdom
225 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  18:54:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A few people have reported in other forums that POILoader 2.4.0.1 won't play WAV files but POILoader 2.4.0.0 does so it may be best to install this version
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martinwahlstrom

Sweden
3 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  23:23:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, there is no button to play anything when looking at one of the POI's.

I'll try to find 2.4.0.0. Or do you know where i can find it?

Garmin nüvi 660
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martinwahlstrom

Sweden
3 Posts

Posted - 05 avr. 2007 :  23:52:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Found it: http://www.gpsinformation.org/perry/POILoader_2400Beta.exe

Garmin nüvi 660
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PhilHornby

United Kingdom
231 Posts

Posted - 06 avr. 2007 :  03:43:11  Show Profile  Visit PhilHornby's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BAVC10

... POILoader 2.4.0.1 won't play WAV files but POILoader 2.4.0.0 does...



POI Loader 2.4.0.0 includes 'sox.exe' ... POI Loader 2.4.0.1 doesn't. I'd never heard of this program, but it claims to be the "Swiss Army knife of sound processing programs". I found the command line it invokes it with - but I've misplaced it. (I lost interest, because it's clear the C510 can't play audio)

Maybe just re-adding sox.exe to the mix will fix that problem?
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Stowaway

USA
11 Posts

Posted - 06 avr. 2007 :  19:46:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I figured out my problem - the software is apparently sensitive to some USB hubs!

After I attached the Nuvi directly to the computer (no hub) everything seems to be working fine. I have to check out whther the wav's I attached will actually work as I approach the red-light cameras but the bmp files worked fine.

Delorme StreetAtlas on laptop and iPAQ PPC with EarthMate BT GPS, eTrex Legend, Nuvi 670 NOW!
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Simon Slavin

United Kingdom
221 Posts

Posted - 06 avr. 2007 :  21:21:45  Show Profile  Visit Simon Slavin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just a quick note that 'simulated journey' trips trigger alerts just like real journeys do. You can use them for testing alerts.

Also, yes I think that copying sox.exe over from a working copy (or grabbing a copy off of the web) will probably solve the 2.4.0.1 problem with sound files.

Mac user, programmer, neophile.
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alistairm

United Kingdom
10 Posts

Posted - 12 avr. 2007 :  15:40:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Further to the comment above about trying to use two different sounds when approaching a POI, I have been battling with the same issue myself. The POILoader software does not allow two sounds to be attached to the same gpx (or csv) file, so I have been looking at the possibility of creating a duplicate file (with a different name) and attaching the second sound to that file (Attaching seems to be just a matter of making the sound and gpx file names match).
Should be easy, but as the entries in the file have both camera keywords AND numeric speed values I have been unable to get the loader to create a file with two entries with different proximity values.
The effect I am trying to achieve is at the initial approach to the camera to get a speech warning something like "speed camera ahead 30mph" followed by another warning if overspeed of "slow down".
My old Navigon M|N5 does this, albeit with POIWarner, and I would like the Garmin to do the same thing.
Anyone come up with a solution yet?

TIA

Alistair
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alistairm

United Kingdom
10 Posts

Posted - 12 avr. 2007 :  22:01:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might have cracked it, however, as my Nuvi is away for repair I can't test it.


I use the pocketGPSworld camera database which has lots of different formats. If I use the speed-zoned set there are about eight files per camera type (gatso, specs, mobile, etc.) with each camera suffixed with @xx where xx is a numerical value denoting the speed limit.
I create two copies of the files and rename the second set to have a preceeding "w". This is easy with rjhextensions which embeds itself in the right-click drop-down in Windows Explorer, it's freeware and can be downloaded from www.rjhsoftware.com/rjhextensions/ .
Next, using Garmin GPX Converter (again freeware from cbrom.myby.co.uk/) set the initial set of camera files to have the default warning distance values as presented in the GPX Converter. This creates a set of gpx files (and renames the original csv files so that they are not loaded by POILoader).
I then reset the default values to in GPX Converter to 50% of the original value (If you look in the GPX Converter program directory after installation you will see two csv files (kph and mph). These have the defaults used by the program so you could set up a second csv with all the 50% values in it and just flip the names in the directory to change the default values and it saves having to remember both sets of values.
Using the lower values run GPX Converter against the files starting with "w". This will create a second set of gpx files.
PHEW!!
Now put the two sets of files, along with one set of the bmp files (the ones without the "w") into the folder used by POILoader, and you should have a workable, two-alert speed camera system. I don't think that you need both bmp's as the one used by the first alert should stay on the map until you have passed it.

I also fancied some speech warnings rather than bongs and blips so as I couldn't find anything on the web, I thought I would make my own. As I wanted something which wasn't me or my family, I visited http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php which does excellent text to speech (and free for personal use).
A bit of typing later I had a set of warning files. Had to convert to mp3 (and I don't have a freeware converter, sorry) but I was nearly there!
Rename the mp3 files to match the gpx and bmp files, pop them in the same folder , and POILoader will build a file with custom audio warnings.

I have used this for speed cameras, but there is no reason why it should not work for any other POI you want, as it is based on Garmins own TourGuide.

It's all a bit clunky and has lots of steps where it can all fall apart, but I think it will work.

If any brave soul feels the need to try it out, please let me know how you get on.

I don't often post here, as I don't feel that I have much to contribute being a bit of a navigational lightweight, but I do visit and take advantage of others generosity. I felt it was time I tried to give something back (even if it is just a pile of .....)


Alistair
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gazzarie

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 16 avr. 2007 :  00:45:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, Just installed the beta poi loader software to attach .wav files to my poi's.
The software doesn't seem to offer any more options than the old version (non beta) i was using, am i doing something wrong?
It is definitley the correct version! 2.4.0.0

Currently Using:- Garmin NUVI 350
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