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PatWolf
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 Posted - 04 oct. 2006 : 04:32:55
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Thanks to all for having such a fine site. I've been able to secure much needed information by reading past posts.
It has become obvious that the use of S&T for planning/routing in conjunction with iGuidence for actual navigation is the way to go. But because I don't currently have the programs, how does one 'transfer' the route created by S&T to iGuidence? I assume that it must be quite straight forward but I would like to know first hand.
Thanks!
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Flagmax
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Posted - 04 oct. 2006 : 06:56:31
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Hi, welcome to the site.
Sorry but there is no way to transfer routes made in Microsoft s/w to iGuidance. There is no save/load option in iGuidance. If I want to travel S&T route in iGuidance, I just look up a gas station address on the route and input that in iGuidance. Then enter the destination. Its not really "quite straight forward." |
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PatWolf
USA
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Posted - 04 oct. 2006 : 18:52:02
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Thanks for the welcome as well as the reply Flagmax.
Your answer was quite a surprise to me.
Although I read the side by side comparison between iG and S&T, they were somewhat dated as they both referenced previous versions. Thus the conclusion in my previous post that the choice for planning was S&T while the actual navigating with iG.
With the new version of S&T soon to be released, is that distinction becoming less pronounced?
Again, without having the programs to see for myself, I imagine that with a complicated route, transferring the route created in S&T to iG might be more of a inconvenience then the benifits of using one of the programs alone.
Although at this time, I am favoring purchasing S&T 2007 when it becomes available and seeing if it will work for me.
I would still appreciate more input to help me in that decision.
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Flagmax
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Posted - 04 oct. 2006 : 23:33:08
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Keep checking this thread http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=68026 for more info on S&T 2007 as it becomes available. I don't have the 2007 version so can't say much more on it. But I will be upgrading to 2007.
In my opinion iGuidance was specifically designed with a single driver in mind. It is straight to the point with few options and very simple to use. You enter your destination, press Nav and just follow the voice/screen guidance. It is similar to standalone GPS units and the build-in car GPS systems.
On the other hand S&T was designed as mapping software. You are presented with a map and plenty of options to search, zoom in/out, pan, plan and print/save your results. It is super easy to modify the initial route by selecting the route and dragging it to a new pass-through location.
Now which software to get, depends on your needs. Let’s say you are a delivery person and given a list of addresses not in any order, well then I would recommend S&T as it can Optimize Stops for you. If the list is already ordered then I would recommend iGuidance. It’s almost not possible to plan your stops just with iGuidance because there is no way to see all the stops on a single screen and it can’t optimize stops for you.
So make a list of what you will need the software do for you and go from there.
I use both programs myself, S&T at home on my desktop and iGuidance on my PocketPC in my car.
Hope that gives you some more ideas what to expect.
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PatWolf
USA
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Posted - 09 oct. 2006 : 15:02:50
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Thanks again Flagmax for your help. Since your last post I have tried to better understand how both programs would work individually as well as together. Thus, a few more questions if you don't mind?
Certainly the programs user selectable routing preferences come into play, but all things being 'equal', do the programs route the same way for the 'most part'? Or do they differ? For example, is the shortest route the same in both programs given the same constraints?
After setting your origin and destination in iGuidance, are you able to review the route?
My specific situation is this, I'll be driving a truck with different origins and destinations daily. In selecting my route, I'll also need to consider height and weight restrictions, layovers, pre determined fuel stops and the like.
S&T offers me the ability to generate such a route but I think that it might be somewhat complicated then the simple point A to point B that I anticipate iGuidance would generate. I would like to use the interface that iGuidance has to offer, but what would be involved in recreating the route in iGuidance?
I am not considering CoPilot Trucking as I've not been able to find sufficiant information regarding it. The posts that I have read about it (trucking forums) suggested that it really wasn't any better than S&T and to save the extra money. Please keep in mind that regardless of whatever program I'll be using, I'll always need to consult the old reliable Rand McNally Motor Carrier Atlas before accepting any route provided.
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Marvin Hlavac
Canada
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Posted - 09 oct. 2006 : 17:36:02
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Pat, here's a little bit of feedback from my experience. While for most people most of the time I would not hesitate to recommend using iGuidance for GPS navigation (over S&T or any other PC based software), I'm not certain if I'd do the same for someone in the trucking industry. Streets & Trips may prove to be a better solution only because S&T makes it so easy to modify your route. IGuidance excels at the ease and speed at which most basic tasks can be performed; the process of starting the program, entering a destination and being ready to drive should take no more than 5 to 10 seconds. However, I suspect in your line of work if you often find yourself modifying the "last mile" between the highway and your destination, you could find it cumbersome to do the same within iGuidance (even with the new Itinerary feature). It could be done, though, if you really wanted to, but it would not be as quick as drawing an "Avoid Area" rectangle(s) in S&T.
For the most part both S&T and iG do route the same way (very good). In iGuidance use the default "Quickest" setting. Other settings may generate undesirable routing (but you can easily check that by zooming out and looking at the whole route).
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Alan_
USA
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Posted - 10 oct. 2006 : 18:04:01
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| You really need both S&T and iGuidance. Pat S&T does NOT auto reroute after missing a turn and iGuidance does auto reroute. I plan a route using S&T and then drive the route with iGuidance. In my view it's not a question of which program is better as both are needed to do the job. |
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Marvin Hlavac
Canada
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Posted - 10 oct. 2006 : 18:22:33
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| Yes, I agree. Having both is the best solution. I cannot imagine not having one or the other. |
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Flagmax
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Posted - 10 oct. 2006 : 21:15:27
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PatWolf,
I think you picked the two top programs to choose from and this is why we are having hard time choosing, lol :) Both programs are very good.
I drove from California to Florida last year using S&T 2006 and it was great. I did miss few turns and had to pull over to re-route. I followed the default quickest route it gave me. I did not like the refresh rate of S&T, the map was jerky and that it showed me driving on side of roads because there is no snap to road option. But these are no way a deal breaker. iGuidance would have worked better in this situation when you don’t care how to get there as long as you get there.
On the way back, I had to take I-10 to I-215, cut across US-395 on to SR-58 through Bakersfield. The default route was through Los Angeles which I did not like. I also added 7 gas stations along the route and 5 or so rest areas. All this took me less then 15 minutes. S&T has a great ability to zoom in and out on any point on the map to any zoom level you like and panning is easy as well, no match for iGuidance here. I created pushpins for all me stops and when I zoomed out, I could easily see all of them. As already mentioned, adding avoid areas would take no more then 4 clicks. Whats great is you can save everything you did on them map and open it later. You can even create a template with all the avoid areas and pre determined fuel stops as “C:\Program Files\Microsoft MapPoint\Templates\New North American Map.ptt.” Next time you start S&T, it will all be there. I think for truckers the avoid area tool is priceless.
So yes, S&T looks complicated and might require more time for route planning but once you hit the road, you will have piece of mind knowing it is exactly how you wanted to travel. Not having auto re-routing is not that bad, and might be good in certain circumstances especially when you are in an area with bad gps signal.
If I were a truck driver with a laptop on board, I would get S&T2007. This is just my opinion. Because I use a small PPC in my car now, iGuidance is the best choice.
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PatWolf
USA
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Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 01:36:58
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Thanks to all who have had comments!
My goal was not to attempt to select one program over the other. In fact, my initial thought was to indeed get both. My initial question was how was the route in S&T transferred to iG. Flagmax attempted to address the issue and with his input, I felt that after creating the route with S&T, it would be to tedious to transfer the route to iG. And that it would be best to use S&T alone. In effect, give up the iG navigational strength because of the route transfer task.
Because of the nominal cost, I recently purchased S&T 2006 to get a feel for the program. I intend to fully utilize Microsofts 30 day money back when 2007 becomes available. But in the meantime, I'm getting some real 'hands on' experience with the program.
This is what I've found and the issues that are now my concerns.
Being able to generate an initial route and then modify that route as a result of construction, restrictions, congested traffic etc is very appealing. But, my ammended route is far more complicated then the initial route suggested by the program. Having a 'hands on' experience with the program has allowed me to appreciate what I have read over and over on the forum. S&T makes route alterations very simple. I still don't have anything else to compare it to, but S&T certainly meets my needs. Especially when considering the money involved. What a bargain.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about regarding the reroute option after missing a turn. Can't you just reach over and hit the F3 key or am I missing something? Will I lose all of my route changes if I reroute with F3? I don't have a GPS reciever yet, will get that from Semsons with S&T soon.
Assuming that iG is as strong navigating as S&T is routing (based on all of the discussion board chatter), I would also like to incorporate it into my 'system'. What I don't want to do is create a monster - meaning, I don't want to undertake a tedious operation just to gain marginal improvement over what I already would recieve if using S&T alone.
So again, I would like to ask my original question. And excuse me if it was already addressed, but I'm still a bit puzzled. After creating a route using S&T (which is different from the route which S&T suggested - road construction,
preferred routing, prohibitive roads, etc.), what is involved in transferring that route to iG?
Thank you all again for your help.
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PatWolf
USA
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Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 01:40:38
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Sorry about the reroute question in my last post. When I started to create my post, I got caught up with my thoughts and neglected to read Flagmax's most recent post addressing it in detail.
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