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GPSgirl
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 Posted - 28 nov. 2006 : 20:39:45
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Originally posted by Deerhead
The 2730 is a true disappointment to me.
It can't mark a point as easily as the 2610.
My 2730 seems to work identical to the 2650 regarding setting waypoints. While browsing the map, click "Review" and it creates a numerical 00x waypoint. You must do this when the cursor is not selecting a road or other POI, or it will name the waypoint after the feature (same as the 26x0). One difference is the 2730 has no "Page->Mark" hardkey shortcut like on the 26x0.
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The 2730 routing is terrible, routing me off interstate Exit and then back on.
Spurious detours like this also appeared in one of the later 26x0 firmwares, when the routing algorithm was tweaked (I think when the 27x0 series first came out). I downgraded and the problem went away. I too have noticed this on the 2730, although not as bad as originally on the 2650. Some people report that CN8 helps solve these errata.
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The 2730 will not allow you to search waypoints or POI's alphabetically but only by distance from something.
Yes, I noticed the lack of alphabetical searching too and mentioned it in my review above. However, with either unit you always have to search from some point, even if it's your current position.
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The 2730 will not allow you to see POI unless your at the max scale.
This is the same as the 26x0. It is probably customizable in the map settings too, though I haven't verified this.
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The 2730 will not allow you to see/know the POI's or waypoints along a route because of the protocol of searching distance from a point not the route.
This is not true. The 2730 allows searching along the current route like the 26x0, but you can't specify the distance from your route. This 'Search along current route' feature was not present when I first bought my 2610 (I had one prior to the 2650) but was added in later firmware versions. It is very useful. Are you sure you have the latest 2730 firmware?
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I don't like the 2730 and wish I never bought it!!!!!
This seems like whining to me. You can obviously sell the 2730; they are going for $700-$750 on eBay right now. Maybe you paid a lot more than that for the unit, but you do have options. If the 2610 better suits your needs, I suggest buying one and reselling the 2730. |
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Deerhead
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Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 00:26:13
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Originally posted by GPSgirl
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Originally posted by Deerhead
The 2730 is a true disappointment to me.
It can't mark a point as easily as the 2610.
My 2730 seems to work identical to the 2650 regarding setting waypoints. While browsing the map, click "Review" and it creates a numerical 00x waypoint. You must do this when the cursor is not selecting a road or other POI, or it will name the waypoint after the feature (same as the 26x0). One difference is the 2730 has no "Page->Mark" hardkey shortcut like on the 26x0.
I don't know about 2650's I am referring to a 2610. I believe, to mark a point on the 2730, two things happen. 1)if you touch the screen and your close to an intersection or address, it will "name" the marked point the intersection or address. 2) if you don't want a intersection or address name and want a sequential number you have to again touch the screen WHERE THERE IS NO ROAD, IE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD and you'll get a sequential number.I had several discussions with Garmin about this because I wear bulky glove and I'm not sure where I touch the screen, so I wanted to know if the 2730 marked where I touched or where I was? They said it marked where I was except when I touched it again then it marked where I touched, IE in the middle of the field.
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The 2730 routing is terrible, routing me off interstate Exit and then back on.
Spurious detours like this also appeared in one of the later 26x0 firmwares, when the routing algorithm was tweaked (I think when the 27x0 series first came out). I downgraded and the problem went away. I too have noticed this on the 2730, although not as bad as originally on the 2650. Some people report that CN8 helps solve these errata.
Never happened on my 2610.
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The 2730 will not allow you to search waypoints or POI's alphabetically but only by distance from something.
Yes, I noticed the lack of alphabetical searching too and mentioned it in my review above. However, with either unit you always have to search from some point, even if it's your current position.
Correct, but the search provides the alphabetical, not distance.
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The 2730 will not allow you to see POI unless your at the max scale.
This is the same as the 26x0. It is probably customizable in the map settings too, though I haven't verified this.
My 2610 doesn't have POI's, which is the main reason I bought the 2730.
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The 2730 will not allow you to see/know the POI's or waypoints along a route because of the protocol of searching distance from a point not the route.
This is not true. The 2730 allows searching along the current route like the 26x0, but you can't specify the distance from your route. This 'Search along current route' feature was not present when I first bought my 2610 (I had one prior to the 2650) but was added in later firmware versions. It is very useful. Are you sure you have the latest 2730 firmware?
Yes to the software version. It maybe me, but I tried to put in a route and then tried to find a category of my POI's to see where they were in relationship to the route and I couldn't do it. IE find all the Harley Dealers along my planned route.
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I don't like the 2730 and wish I never bought it!!!!!
This seems like whining to me. You can obviously sell the 2730; they are going for $700-$750 on eBay right now. Maybe you paid a lot more than that for the unit, but you do have options. If the 2610 better suits your needs, I suggest buying one and reselling the 2730.
No whining, but complaining about the fact that the later model is IMHO worse in many of the functional areas I use daily than the preceding model. I don't think a viable solution to buying an expected upgraded model is to sell it. That is a result of being disappointed. I am hoping Garmin will change their firmware and I'll have the features I originally bought the unit for.
PS, not sure what this reply is going to physically look like but I tried to make it readable to your responses, like you did mine. |
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Robert |
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Jon_GWG
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Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 00:50:43
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Robert, I think that part of your problem is that you bought the 2730 wanting the ability to import your own custom data (you call them POIs, but that confuses the term with the integrated POIs that are included in the Map database. For clarity, you should refer to them as 'custom POIs' or something like that for distinction purposes) but didn't know that they have 'downgraded' the user interface with each successive release.
I'll chime in here that the new Zumo also has the ability to import custom POIs, but they do it in a completely separate data folder from the embedded POIs and the 'Favorites' folder - surprisingly enough they call this folder 'Custom POIs' and it's located in a tab called 'Extras'. They are not searchable along your route and they need to be saved as a 'favorite' to be displayed on the map (but when they are saved as a favorite, they are displayed all the time, regardless of zoom scale, routing, etc.)
It sounds like you're looking for features that Garmin doesn't offer right now (the advanced user interface functions of the 2610 combined with the custom POIs of the newer models). You're probably going to either live with its' limitations or bite the bullet, cut your losses and move back to the 2610.
I wouldn't hold my breath expecting any changes out of Garmin - look how long everyone's been asking for simple transparent tabs on the 2720/30/2820... |
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Deerhead
67 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 01:35:50
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Originally posted by Jon_GWG
Robert, I think that part of your problem is that you bought the 2730 wanting the ability to import your own custom data (you call them POIs, but that confuses the term with the integrated POIs that are included in the Map database. For clarity, you should refer to them as 'custom POIs' you're correct, my bad.or something like that for distinction purposes) but didn't know that they have 'downgraded' the user interface with each successive release.
I used downgraded to capture my fustration with the marking difficulty and the alphabetical non-searching function, and other functions I use while on my bike
I'll chime in here that the new Zumo also has the ability to import custom POIs, but they do it in a completely separate data folder from the embedded POIs and the 'Favorites' folder - surprisingly enough they call this folder 'Custom POIs' and it's located in a tab called 'Extras'. They are not searchable along your route and they need to be saved as a 'favorite'This to me is also a confusing term, in the 2610 unit these were called waypoints and with both units you can have only 500 capacity!! Thus the reason for me buying a 2730 with nearly an unliimited custom POI number. to be displayed on the map (but when they are saved as a favorite, they are displayed all the time, regardless of zoom scale, routing, etc.)
Same for 2730, custom POI's can be stored in a folder, I have about 1500 so far.All the Harley, BMW dealers and the National Parks Sites
It sounds like you're looking for features that Garmin doesn't offer right now (the advanced user interface functions of the 2610 combined with the custom POIs of the newer models).You hit the nail on the head, this is why I bought the 2730. You're probably going to either live with its' limitations or bite the bullet, cut your losses and move back to the 2610. Maybe
I wouldn't hold my breath expecting any changes out of Garmin - look how long everyone's been asking for simple transparent tabs on the 2720/30/2820... I agree, but if enough people complain then maybe they'll correct their ways,maybe!!!
Thanks for your help. |
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Jon_GWG
901 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 03:36:25
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Again, you're confusing the terms: Waypoints are limited to the storage space allocated per unit - 2,000 on the 2730 & 2820; 500 on the Zumo & 2610.
'Custom POIs' are limited to the storage space available on the units' memory - with the 2730 & 2820, that memory is shared with additional maps, voices and music files. On the Zumo, you can also store them on removable SD cards, but the custom POIs are insertable directly into a route. (Route -> Edit -> Insert Point only lets you select from the standard POI data set)
It is easy to view the Custom POIs 'Near Route' (in text form) or to add one of the Custom POIs into a route as a via point on this unit (I don't have a 2730 to play with right now, but I can post some pictures of the process if you're interested).
Again, don't hold your breath :) |
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Deerhead
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Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 05:31:00
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Originally posted by Jon_GWG
Again, you're confusing the terms: Waypoints are limited to the storage space allocated per unit - 2,000 on the 2730 & 2820; 500 on the Zumo & 2610
There are no waypoints on the 2730, they're called favorites. However, I thought favorites were limited to 500 on the 2730 just like waypoints on the 2610, are you sure about the 2000 limit?
'Custom POIs' are limited to the storage space available on the units' memory - with the 2730 & 2820, I agreethat memory is shared with additional maps, voices and music files. On the Zumo, you can also store them on removable SD cards, but the custom POIs are insertable directly into a route. (Route -> Edit -> Insert Point only lets you select from the standard POI data set)
It is easy to view the Custom POIs 'Near Route' (in text form) or to add one of the Custom POIs into a route as a via point on this unit (I don't have a 2730 to play with right now, but I can post some pictures of the process if you're interested). Thanks, I am interested in anything you can help show me how to see custom POI's, Haven't tried to add a custom POI to a route as a via yet. I know you can use a 'go to'
Again, don't hold your breath :)
Thanks again for the help. |
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Robert |
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Jon_GWG
901 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 06:06:30
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Again, it's all in the terminology. The confusion comes from Garmin's use of multiple terms - their mapping software still uses the term 'Waypoint', as does their spec sheets for the various units (which is where I found the 2,000 waypoint limit on the 2730/2820) but on the newer units, they call them 'Favorites' to be more 'user-friendly'.
If you consider the waypoint list as an address book, you've got 2,000 entries that you can save and use on your routes. You've got a maximum limit of 254 waypoints/route, but that can include selections from searches, finds, or even your custom waypoint lists.
Here's how it works on the Zumo:
While on a route, if you tap 'Menu -> Where To -> Extras -> Custom POIs' you'll get a list of all of your POIs (the 52 closest results) and their direction/distance from your current position
(My sample POI list was for KrispyKreme)
If you select one, you get an information box with all the data from your POI list
Tapping the 'Go' button, returns this prompt
If you select 'Add as Via Point', your custom POI is added to your route, the route recalculates, throwing this stop in the middle and displays the new directions on the unit. If you check the turn list, you'll see the new via point is neatly tucked in the middle.
I don't have a 2730 on-hand right now to duplicate this process, but it's close to the same.
I hope this helps... |
Edited by - Jon_GWG on 29 nov. 2006 06:17:28 |
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robogps
USA
471 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 09:48:11
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Originally posted by GPSgirl
No search by spelling name: It seems I can't just spell the name of the business to find it. I must use the "filter" which shows businesses which contain any part of the name I enter.
On the bottom of the every screen you will see a "spell" tab when looking for a business/POI, no matter the category; even when searching all categories. While there isn't a separate "Spell By Name" category, this serves the same purpose. Perhaps the 2730 way of locating a business or POI via spelling the name is even more efficient because, as I said, the "spell" tab is displayed within every category, on every screen.
I couldn't agree more with your take on XM. I paid for a 4 month subscription and am considering not renewing it when it expires. We'll see.
Also, regarding your response to Deerhead, where you said that CN NT v8 seems to correct routing issues for some, I can tell you firsthand that v8 corrected the more glaring routing flaws I experienced under v7 on my 2730 and that also showed up on my 2720 with v7. I've discovered even more corrections that v8 has made since I discussed them in the thread that I started. This tells me that these specific routing problems were NavTeq issues and not Garmin algorithm issues.
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Deerhead
67 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 14:49:51
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Jon,
Have you stored 2000 favorites on a 2730? I sure thought you were limited to 500. I will try later on. |
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Robert |
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Deerhead
67 Posts |
Posted - 29 nov. 2006 : 14:59:49
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Originally posted by robogps
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Originally posted by GPSgirl
No search by spelling name: It seems I can't just spell the name of the business to find it. I must use the "filter" which shows businesses which contain any part of the name I enter.
On the bottom of the every screen you will see a "spell" tab when looking for a business/POI, no matter the category; even when searching all categories. While there isn't a separate "Spell By Name" category, this serves the same purpose.Thanks for the info, but I still like to see and be able to scroll the entire category.Just like you can with the 2610. Perhaps the 2730 way of locating a business or POI via spelling the name is even more efficient because, as I said, the "spell" tab is displayed within every category, on every screen.
I couldn't agree more with your take on XM. I paid for a 4 month subscription and am considering not renewing it when it expires. We'll see.
Also, regarding your response to Deerhead, where you said that CN NT v8 seems to correct routing issues for some, I can tell you firsthand that v8 corrected the more glaring routing flaws I experienced under v7 on my 2730 and that also showed up on my 2720 with v7. I've discovered even more corrections that v8 has made since I discussed them in the thread that I started. This tells me that these specific routing problems were NavTeq issues and not Garmin algorithm issues.
I have v8 and I still have the above routing problems I described. I was traveling along I-40 and had a 'go to' Waffle House location, the unit routed me off the Interstate the exit BEFORE the Waffle House and had me drive through a town, when the Waffle House was aclocated 0.1 miles off the next exit!!! And this is not the only screwy routing it has suggested. Anybody else have issues with Jill saying return to HWY 74 and meaning Exit 74 and changing HWY names from two eighty to two eight zero?
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Robert |
Edited by - Deerhead on 29 nov. 2006 15:04:13 |
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dave817
USA
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Posted - 03 janv. 2007 : 08:14:15
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Maybe I can help here Robert.
For routing issues, check your Menu->Settings->Navigation->Preference and set it is set for Faster Time. That seems to do better direct routing for me.
To display Custom POIs at lower zoom levels, go to Menu->Settings->Map and scroll down to Zoom Level Detail. Now scroll Zoom Level Detail down to Custom POIs and set your desired distance, from Off, Auto, 120', 200',...,5mi,...,800mi. I've got mine set to 5mi and it shows the H-D logo for those custom POIs on larger map scales.
Did you know you can load .GPX POI files into MapSource, which loads them as waypoints, then just keep the ones you want and download them to your GPS? Just another option for different operator styles.
You can have Custom POIs in a route. When creating that route on my 2720, I use Menu->Tools->My Data->Routes->Create New Saved Route and Select Route Start Point From Find Menu->Next->Extras->Custom POIs and Select from the POIs. After you have a route created, you can edit that route and add Custom POI intermediate points. There is is easier if you have set the Zoom Level Detail to 10 or more miles, depending on how many Custom POIs you've got so the screen isn't cluttered. Then you can Add, Select from Map and point to the ones on the map you want to add.
I posted a new H-D POI Jan 07.zip, it includes gpx, xls and ptm formats.
I don't know why others are adding Custom POIs of Krispy Kreme, Waffle House or Starbucks. It is so simple on the 2720 to to Find->Food, Hotel...->Food & Dring->All Categories->Spell and type one of those names. They are all already stored as POIs within the delivered maps.
We gotta talk about those Waffle House and Krispy Kreme visits...totally unhealthy to eat there! :) |
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Jim1348
USA
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Posted - 01 mai 2007 : 00:53:29
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Does anybody know whether the Garmin Street Pilot 2730 is capable of Customized Waypoint Symbols? I know that I have them for Custom POIs, but when I am connected to xImage to try to Get Images from the GPS(2730) for Image Type I have choices of either Screen Shot or Splash Screen, but no Waypoint Symbol choice. When I select Send Images to the GPS I only m offered Splash Screen, but no Waypoint Symbol choice. I also read a review of the 2820 that indicated that it is NOT capable of Customized Waypoint Symbols, but I still haven't determined if the 2730 is capable of this or not.
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Jim1348
USA
518 Posts |
Posted - 05 mai 2007 : 19:32:16
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| I have had a Garmin StreetPilot 2730 since last year. Ihave dowloaded quite a few Custom POIs and now I am wondering how the memory is partitioned. Is it hard partitioned or soft partitioned. For example, if I have a number of Custom POIs downloaded, does that reduce the amount of memory available for saving routes? Or is each area a separate amount of memory. Also, can routes be exchanged with other users? For example, say there was a scenic route through northern Minnesota, can I somehow send that, like we do Custom POIs, to other users? Also, is there a limit of 50 different routes than can be saved on the 2730? If so, is that regardless of the number of stops on the route? |
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Jim1348
USA
518 Posts |
Posted - 10 mai 2007 : 06:17:05
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When I drive down a street my Garmin Street Pilot 2730 approximates the house numbers of the street that I am on. I like that feature, but I do not know the name of the feature. Does anybody know the name of that feature so that I can make sure my next Garmin also has that feature?
Does the Garmin Nuvi 650 do that, for example? |
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Deerhead
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Posted - 10 mai 2007 : 13:42:20
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