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gpspassion

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Posted - 10 févr. 2005 :  10:54:50  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Updated 11/02: Full review is online

HP hw6500
First PDAPhone with built-in (A)GPS



HP Navigation System in the US (Intellinav based) and TomTom in Europe

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News item on the site

Posted 02/10
Over the past few days, information has been circulating about the first PDAPhone with a built-in GPS that joins the ranks of PDAs sporting a GPS such as the Mio168 or Garmin iQue's. Other items of note include the first ever "square" screen on a PocketPC (240x240 pixels versus the usual 4/3 display in 320x240 or 640x480) likely to allow for the presence of a keyboard without unduly "stretching" the device.

In anticipation of its official launch at the 3GSM in Cannes next week (coverage in GpsPasSion Live !), here's a GpsPasSion exclusive, the first "user" pics of the hw6500.

First and obvious comment, the GPS antenna is internal, which could hurt performance given the RF interference of all the built-in electronics, but fortunately there's an antenna connector that could help in rough environments.

To be continued...

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raaaaaa

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Posted - 10 févr. 2005 :  22:52:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
holy @#$%^

I have been discussing this very same device on another forum (Phone)
and here you have in your hands
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raaaaaa

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Posted - 10 févr. 2005 :  22:58:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
please tell me if it does have WiFi built in?????????????????????
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gpspassion

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Posted - 10 févr. 2005 :  23:06:59  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No, actually I believe WiFi was dropped in favour of...GPS, not sure it's a great idea, using a Bluetooth GPS is easier than sticking a WiFi SDIO card like I have do on my Qtek S100.

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raaaaaa

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Posted - 11 févr. 2005 :  00:24:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In my openion I would perfer wifi and to use a Bluetooth GPS.
hey! what GPS software are they using?
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gpspassion

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Posted - 11 févr. 2005 :  00:28:50  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes same here, apparently they will be shipping with TomTom.

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Posted - 22 févr. 2005 :  19:43:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by gpspassion

Yes same here, apparently they will be shipping with TomTom.

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chicago820

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Posted - 22 févr. 2005 :  19:44:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why would HP ship with Tom Tom when they own their own software?
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gpspassion

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Posted - 24 févr. 2005 :  01:34:37  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well that's a good question, but so far they have worked with TomTom in Europe.

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lefty4

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Posted - 25 févr. 2005 :  20:35:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any word on the chipset being used for the GPS hardware and its sensitivity? Also, I read that when the phone is unable to obtain a GPS fix via the satellites, it will triangulate its position using cell towers. How effective is this process? Can a program like Tom Tom run off a triangulated position as opposed to a location obtained through GPS satellites?

Any info would be much appreciated.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 25 févr. 2005 :  22:50:39  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No technical details yet, I suspect it uses some form of "soft GPS" with only an RF chip (see the 3GSM report for pitures of the different versions of the SiRF chips) and with good conditions it can work ok. You certainly can't navigate with triangulation !

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lefty4

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Posted - 26 févr. 2005 :  00:18:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you can't navigate with "soft gps" then what is the point of incorporating the technology in the handheld? Aside from a navigation program, what other programs would take advantage of "soft gps"?
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 févr. 2005 :  00:40:16  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No Soft gps is ok in good conditions (instead of having a standalone basebaseband you use the CPU power of the PDA), triangulation is different and is not. In any case, this is pure conjecture at this time, HP might have included a full GPS module inside.

What you read was specifically about the 6500 or about another phone ?

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lefty4

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Posted - 26 févr. 2005 :  02:50:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, let me try to clarify my question. On various websites, including the link below to Brighthand, it is mentioned that the HW6500 will include a gps module. In addition, when the device can't receive signals from the satellites, it will switch to triangulating its position with cellphone towers. My question was, can software such as Tom Tom work off this triangulated position? If not, then what is the point of including the ability to triangulate the position using cell phone towers? If gps navigation programs can't run off triangulated positions, what program can?

http://www.brighthand.com/article/iPAQ_hw6500_Coming_in_April?site=PPC

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gpspassion

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Posted - 28 févr. 2005 :  10:38:48  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well that remains to be seen about triangulation, it's a feature of the network anyway, not of the device, and no, you can't navigate with triangulation, but it can be useful to locate the closest service station or theater.

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lefty4

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Posted - 16 mars 2005 :  02:19:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any news of the release of the HW6500 or HW6700? I thought their would be a sighting at CBIT?
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