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popej
Poland
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 Posted - 09 janv. 2011 : 23:33:45
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What have Garmin's promised, you can check here: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=63940#specsTab
Garmin clearly writes that nuvi 37xx supports 100 routes.
This is not true. Nuvi 37xx supports only one active route, which must be entered manually and may not be stored for later use. There is no routes management, no transfer of routes from Mapsource, no routes at all.
There is new menu item called "trip planning". At first glance "trip" is a set of routes with no via points. Such an object does not replace routes, to be honest I have no idea how to use it practically. For example, I can plan a 3-point trip, as in the picture below:
The same path can be programmed by direct selecting target point and then adding via point. We then obtain an active route. The following screen shots shows navigation based on trip (left) and route (right):
 
We can see following flows in trips:
- the receiver does not show the whole trip, only part to the next destination,
- field "Arrival" and "Arrive In" do not show value for the end of the trip,
- TMC receiver does not report obstacles in the later stages of the trip.
Then there are problems with recalculation and detour, which will not work as expected.
I reported this problem to Garmin PL and got an answer: "At the moment I do not know of any planned changes in this topic."
There are new nuvi 24xx, Denzel 560, as far as I know without routes. It seems that Garmin retains consistency and without any pressure from users nothing will change. If you'd like to use multiponts routes in your nuvi, I suggest to send an email to Garmin Support and request adding routes in accordance to the specification.
Edit: I found next problem with nuvi active route. Nuvi can create silly routes when using multiple via, see http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=139535
[ed original title : Garmin please we want promised routes in37xx] |
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Edited by - popej on 29 janv. 2011 18:13:39
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Boyd
USA
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Posted - 09 janv. 2011 : 23:40:03
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Well I don't like it either, but this has all been covered pretty thoroughly in the big thread about the 3700 series. If you go to Garmin support and enter Nuvi 3790 in the "search by device" field, you get the FAQ list. The first FAQ on this list is this:
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Question: Will the nuvi 3700 series ever have the ability to transfer routes from MapSource into the device?
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At this time the nuvi 3700 series does not have the ability to manually receive created routes from MapSource or any third party applications.
Garmin intends to add this functionality into the nuvi 3700 series via a software update sometime in the future. Current plans call for the update to be released in the first quarter of 2011.
The nuvi 3700 series does offer the functionality to manually create multiple point routes on the device itself through the Trip Planner feature listed under the Tools menu.
Last modified on: 09/14/2010
I have looked at those FAQ's before, and this question was on page 3 or 4 of the list, not the first item. So obviously people want route transfer capability and we don't yet know how Garmin will implement it with the trip planner.
But at least they seem to acknowledge the issue, and going by their timetable, we should know in less than 3 months. But I am a little puzzled as to WHY Garmin felt we needed "trip planner" in the first place. Was this just some crazy idea from one of their programmers? It's hard to understand their logic sometimes. |
Edited by - Boyd on 09 janv. 2011 23:42:28 |
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popej
Poland
513 Posts |
Posted - 10 janv. 2011 : 00:25:18
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Originally posted by Boyd
The nuvi 3700 series does offer the functionality to manually create multiple point routes on the device itself through the Trip Planner feature listed under the Tools menu.
Well, this is the point I disagree, Trip Planner in no way create usable multiple point route.
Can't see any info from Garmin that this problem will be resolved. Email I received form Garmin Support suggest it won't.
Edit:
Mod has changed my thread title, maybe I wasn't understood correctly, I'm not good at English. To summarize again:
1. Nuvi 37xx doesn't support routes. There is no "routes" menu item.
2. Nuvi has "trips" which works differently, they aren't routes substitute.
3. In my opinion it is rather false advertising than a bug.
I think the most easy way to make trips usable is to add via support to each step of a trip. But Garmin seems to be happy with trips, no known plans to change it. So we could get conversion from Mapsource routes to nuvi trips in new firmware but still no equivalent of route functionality.
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NanaimoRick
Canada
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Posted - 10 janv. 2011 : 15:20:14
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Originally posted by popej
But Garmin seems to be happy with trips, no known plans to change it.
As Boyd pointed out in a previous post, this is a direct quote from Garmin posted on their NA website:
"Garmin intends to add this functionality into the nuvi 3700 series via a software update sometime in the future. Current plans call for the update to be released in the first quarter of 2011."
So in fact there are plans to change/fix this issue as been discussed many times in the current 3700 review thread at http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134671
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popej
Poland
513 Posts |
Posted - 10 janv. 2011 : 16:22:21
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Do we read the same text? :)
Anyway, I hope you are right, and "transfer from Mapsource" means that we will have routes in nuvi. But I'm afraid that we will have the same old trips with data converted from routes and navigation will look just like on my screen shoots.
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Boyd
USA
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Posted - 10 janv. 2011 : 17:30:54
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Yes, I do understand your point. You don't like the whole way the trip planner works because it's like a whole collection of separate routes with only a start and end point. So you can't even see the time to the final destination. I don't like that either, so we really don't disagree. Interestingly, some people have said they would prefer for routes to behave like this... sometimes known as the "traveling salesman" approach.
But my only point was that we need to wait for the update, which has been promised, and see exactly what's in it. I would like to give Garmin the benefit of the doubt in the meantime (but I should probably know better :) ) |
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FantomFan
New Zealand
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Posted - 11 janv. 2011 : 04:12:35
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The FAQ posted relates to the MapSource transfer capability not to the way Trip Planner works.
Hopefully they will sort both out.
I sent an email about this all they said was sorry it's not working make sure you have the latest update.
I have replied that my 3760 is up to date and the problem is still there. |
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Kniom
France
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Posted - 12 janv. 2011 : 09:36:39
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Originally posted by Boyd
Yes, I do understand your point. You don't like the whole way the trip planner works because it's like a whole collection of separate routes with only a start and end point. So you can't even see the time to the final destination. I don't like that either, so we really don't disagree. Interestingly, some people have said they would prefer for routes to behave like this... sometimes known as the "traveling salesman" approach.
But my only point was that we need to wait for the update, which has been promised, and see exactly what's in it. I would like to give Garmin the benefit of the doubt in the meantime (but I should probably know better :) )
I agree you. But I think that is more like a bug than a Garmin decision: when clicking on "map" button you can see only one whole trip (final flag at final destination and "via" flags for other waypoints) with global estimated time
I notice also a second bug (in a EU device with EU maps): navigation stops when last intermediate waypoint is reached (last segment is lost)
When these bugs are fixed (I hope Garmin will perform this quickly) the trip planner will may be a good tool:
As we can set the time of departure or time of arrival, Traffic Trends and MyTrends could be used within the calculation couldn't it? |
Garmin 3790T: sw v4.30 + Map EU CN 2012.20(lifetime) |
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popej
Poland
513 Posts |
Posted - 12 janv. 2011 : 16:17:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Boyd
Interestingly, some people have said they would prefer for routes to behave like this... sometimes known as the "traveling salesman" approach.
You can do this with standard routes too, I think nuvi 1490 has route optimization for "traveling salesman". And you can use arrival time to via on 37xx.
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Originally posted by FantomFan
I sent an email about this all they said was sorry it's not working make sure you have the latest update.
That's it, Garmin doesn't acknowledge any flows in trips.
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Originally posted by Kniom
when clicking on "map" button you can see only one whole trip (final flag at final destination and "via" flags for other waypoints) with global estimated time
Trip planner is quite nice toy, but problems are when using trips for navigation. When navigating with route you can press upper bar, and select "show map" from menu to see whole route. The same procedure doesn't show whole trip.
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Originally posted by Kniom
As we can set the time of departure or time of arrival, Traffic Trends and MyTrends could be used within the calculation couldn't it?
There are many possibilities. See for example, that one can select car for some legs of the trip and pedestrian mode for others. But not bicycle, lol. Time calculation works a bit weird, because nuvi doesn't use transport mode set in trip but mode set in nuvi main menu. So you can get 15km pedestrian walk with estimated time 20 minutes :)
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popej
Poland
513 Posts |
Posted - 20 oct. 2011 : 21:35:05
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In firmware 4.50 Garmin improved trips. Now nuvi 37xx shows time and distance to final destination. Routes can be transfered from Mapsource to nuvi, on device they are converted into trips. There is no additional change in trips functionality.
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Captcaper
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 22 oct. 2011 : 13:27:59
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quote:
Originally posted by popej
In firmware 4.50 Garmin improved trips. Now nuvi 37xx shows time and distance to final destination. Routes can be transfered from Mapsource to nuvi, on device they are converted into trips. There is no additional change in trips functionality.
So Pope are you saying it's till a "Hassle" to work,make,navigate a route compared to the simple effective routeing we've all enjoyed?
So far it still seems to me that we would have to push alot of buttons and go thru many screens to get or do what it used to in an instant. And with that said will it (Trip Planner) still do it and do it even better?
Also is this Trip Planner the same on all the models? I was thinking of getting a 2460lmt as I like the simialities to the 1490T but the Trip Planner issues in it has stopped me so far. |
Presently owned Dezl 760LMT Montana 600 2460lmt 1490T SP2610 SP2720 GPSMAP 276C GPSMAP 60CS NorthStar 951XD in the boat since 1996.
Previous owned Garmin 48,76cs,210. Nuvi 880,1490T. |
Edited by - Captcaper on 22 oct. 2011 13:30:34 |
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popej
Poland
513 Posts |
Posted - 22 oct. 2011 : 15:02:37
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If you ask about planning trips, then trip planning is a good tool and support from Mapsource make this functionality even better.
If you mean using trips, like leave your PC, go to a car and drive 500km route with multiple VIAs, then IMO trip isn't a good feature.
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Captcaper
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 23 oct. 2011 : 12:38:54
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Too bad. I liked the 2460 over my 1490T because of Custom Main Screen Icons which makes it safe to drive and navigate by creating shortcuts. Also the bold "more data" fields which make it easy to drive while dodgeing all the crazy drivers around Boston and Cape Cod.
But with the crazy ways Garmin trys to send me on my long trips I need a good GPS that I can plan my own route that works.
I was looking at Tom Tom's seriously. But I can't see if they have something like MS to compliment the GPS or the ablility to navigate routes like the pre trip planner Garmins. Also I don't know if I can covert my tracks,routes,favorites over to Tom Tom's format with good results. |
Presently owned Dezl 760LMT Montana 600 2460lmt 1490T SP2610 SP2720 GPSMAP 276C GPSMAP 60CS NorthStar 951XD in the boat since 1996.
Previous owned Garmin 48,76cs,210. Nuvi 880,1490T. |
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