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 [TOPIC] nuvi 1695 connected GPS - Reviews - v3.00
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caryrae

USA
591 Posts

Posted - 07 juil. 2010 :  15:47:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TOPIC - nuvi 1695
Connected GPS (GSM Module) - 5" Screen - nüLink - nüRoute
Latest software version : v3.00 (06/19/2011)


Product page on the Garmin site : >> link <<


UPDATED 20110108 : New tracker firmware version shown at CES 2011, see details on page 12.

UPDATED 20101014 and 20101118 : nuvi 1695 now shipping, first user reviews on page 4 and here on page 10.


Anyone heard anything about this? "A new nuvi is coming down the highway, and it means business. Navigational business. It's the Garmin nuvi 1695, a connected GPS device that offers Bluetooth and GSM, much like the 1690 before it. In fact, it's not entirely clear what makes this different from the last year's 1690, but GPSTracklog speculates this will offer Garmin's traffic trends feature also found in the 3700, augmented by real-time updates from every other 1695 user similarly stuck in traffic. Seems like a good guess to us, but we're of course more curious about how much the thing will cost -- $500 for the 1690 when it was new was a bit of a bitter pill to swallow."

[ed - original title : [NEWS] New Nuvi 1695 to replace 1690]

Edited by - NanaimoRick on 22 avr. 2011 05:22:28

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SergZak

USA
1805 Posts

Posted - 07 juil. 2010 :  16:20:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it's in the pipe, I'm not interested as the 37xx series has now caught my attention. On top of that, I had multiple bad experiences with the 1690 with bad hardware & buggy firmware. It was however a nice unit when it worked correctly. If you need the connected nuLink services, the 16xx series is the only one to currently deliver.

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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 08 juil. 2010 :  02:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I noticed that yesterday over here. I'll be curious to see what the difference is from the 1690. I wonder if it will include voice commands?


-speedy
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caryrae

USA
591 Posts

Posted - 06 août 2010 :  18:04:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any new info about the 1695? So far I can only find the same old news from a month ago.
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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 07 août 2010 :  02:50:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It has to come out by the end of the summer to match the TT 1000.

It'll be interesting to see how the two are priced.
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gpspassion

94154 Posts

Posted - 14 août 2010 :  02:47:18  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
One thing I would like to see is worldwide roaming too, even as an option, I have my European nuvi 1690 with me in California and it's pretty useless without any of its connectivity and with RDS TMC receiver via miniUSB compatibility "killed" to boot.

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caryrae

USA
591 Posts

Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  01:26:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Reported by gatorguy on a different forum amazon.com has the 1695 for pre-order with what looks like the only change is only 1 free year of nuLink service and a 5" screen. http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-5-Inch-Portable-Navigator-Services/dp/B003ZUXW70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1283297178&sr=8-1

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gpspassion

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Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  02:23:30  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So bigger screen and shorter subscription (2 years for the 1690 in the US and 1 year in Europe). "Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S." probably means Garmin are still not using a quad-band GSM chip, I'll pass!

Hard to see any reason in buying the 1695 at $450 over the 1690 currently at $260 new (MSRP of $450 too).

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Jim1348

USA
540 Posts

Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  02:38:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anybody happen to know if either the Garmin Nuvi 1690 or 1695 gets supplemental A-GPS data from the cellular towers? I am assuming not, but since it has GSM capability anyway, it would seem like a worthwhile feature.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  02:51:57  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nobody would know for the 1695 at this point but there is no indication that the 1690 does, it uses Garmin's now standard "auto-AGPS" though, they call it HotFix. Unlike smartphones like the iPhone the nuvis have a real GPS antenna that can receive a good level of signal from the satellites so full-AGPS isn't of the essence, we've already had this dicussion in the nuvifone topic.
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caryrae

USA
591 Posts

Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  18:05:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Didn't notice this before but it says it includes "Smart features like trafficTrends historical traffic and myTrends predictive routing help you get there on time."
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gpspassion

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Posted - 01 sept. 2010 :  18:41:04  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Good catch, can't say I find them very useful on my 3790, actually nuRoutes dramatically increases route calculation times with no visible impact on my routes or ETA so I deactivated it, but more users hopefully means improvements over time.

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Boyd

USA
1744 Posts

Posted - 02 sept. 2010 :  01:04:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have disabled trafficTrends and myTrends on ny 3790 as well. It definitely does increase calculation time, and I got tired of myTrends "suggesting" destinations for me as I drive (including returning back home for the first 5 miles out of the driveway!).

However, they do seem to work and have some value. If you deviate from a calculated route and go your own way, after doing this a couple times the 3790 "learns" and will start showing the route you actually drove with its own initial calculation. I actually thought that was pretty cool.

Driving around central Manhattan in NYC, it had me zig-zagging on side streets instead of taking the obvious, direct route on the main street. This seemed to make sense and did help avoid traffic. Unclear as to whether it really saved any significant amount of time however.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 sept. 2010 :  01:19:47  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting feedback, a bit lost here so I started a new thread to discuss nuRoute, especially since it's now not a 3790 exclusive anymore -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=137357 - if you can repost your comment over there, thanks.

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JStu313

USA
30 Posts

Posted - 02 sept. 2010 :  17:07:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Official announcement from Garmin today, available this month with one year of nuLink included at MSRP $449.99: http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2010/09/garmin-introduces-the-n%C3%BClink-1695-for-super-sized-connected-navigation.html

Edited by - JStu313 on 02 sept. 2010 17:08:42
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MikeMc

Ireland
41 Posts

Posted - 03 sept. 2010 :  22:38:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any indication if the 1695 will interface with Mapsource?

Edited by - MikeMc on 03 sept. 2010 22:39:05
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 03 sept. 2010 :  23:01:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I shouldn't assume (but I will, anyways), but does anyone know if the Nulink 1695 (Garmin does not refer to it as a Nuvi) support custom POI with mp3 file attachments?

Thanks,

HPatlk
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NanaimoRick

Canada
7762 Posts

Posted - 03 sept. 2010 :  23:06:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No need to assume about MP3 support as the webpage at https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=70853#specsTab lists MP3 support as NO. We can "assume" that it will support custom POIs and with the installation of Sox.exe it will support .wav files for alerts.

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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 03 sept. 2010 :  23:18:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks,

I may be upgrading from a Nuvi 760 so I hadn't been watching how the format changed in the 1xxx series. Since they are using wav files, is the final gpi file was be significantly larger?

HPatlik
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NanaimoRick

Canada
7762 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  00:01:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wav files are certainly larger but I haven't really noticed how much difference it makes. A quick look at a number of MP3 and Wav files for random POI files looks like the wav file is usually about twice the size of the MP3, sometimes more, but we are talking about only a few KB of space for these things and only one per POI file.

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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  00:45:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JStu313

Official announcement from Garmin today, available this month with one year of nuLink included at MSRP $449.99: http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2010/09/garmin-introduces-the-n%C3%BClink-1695-for-super-sized-connected-navigation.html



Cool. The link to the unit is https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=70853

I'm seriously considering this as a replacement for my Nuvi 660. Amazon is taking preorders and says Oct 1 is release date.

If I get it I'll definitely get the EcoRoute HD bluetooth OBDII dongle to go with it.

I got my 660 for the traffic feature, but never paid for a subscription after the trial period ended because the FM traffic data was so inaccurate that it was useless. So that was a big disappointment for the otherwise generally good 660. I'm thinking that the nüLink traffic will be better.

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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  04:42:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Garmin lists two versions one for Canada and one for North America. Both versions have mapping for N.A but does the NA version include Nulink that works in both countries or just the US?

Thanks,

HPatlik
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NanaimoRick

Canada
7762 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  16:27:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just speculation but since the 1690 also lists a US and Canada version, I think this is because of the difference in service providers - AT&T in the US and Rogers in Canada.

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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  22:33:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought one version is active only in Canada and the other in the US. If you have a Can. subscription and drive to the states, I believe the Nulink service will not work. You need to buy a 2nd subscription.

HPatlik
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Boyd

USA
1744 Posts

Posted - 04 sept. 2010 :  23:30:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It sure would be nice if this kind of stuff worked across the border, but unfortunately it doesn't. A friend just got back from 3 weeks in New Brunswick, and she bought limited a data plan for her iPhone in order to keep up with e-mail. She was keeping track of usage and felt she was well under the limit, but when the bill came they claimed she owed over $200 in additional usage.

AT&T said they have to rely on the statistics provided by the CDN carrier, but to resolve the issue agreed to charge her as though she had bought a plan with a higher limit initially. It is still going to cost her something like $100. And this was only for e-mail access during a 3 week period, no voice or text messaging.
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 05 sept. 2010 :  01:58:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With MSN, gas $ and events were only US based. With Nulink in Canada, do you get those features?

HPatlik
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 05 sept. 2010 :  02:21:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can anyone with a 1690 comment on the nulink traffic? Is it better than FM traffic?

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Dewi

623 Posts

Posted - 05 sept. 2010 :  19:51:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hpatlik

With MSN, gas $ and events were only US based. With Nulink in Canada, do you get those features?

HPatlik

It looks like no gas prices or local events are provided in Canada. If you click the Canada link on Garmin's nüLink services page it reads:

nüLink! services for Canada include:

•Google Local™ Search
•Real-time Traffic
•Ciao™ Social Networking Services
•Weather
•Traffic Cameras
•Movie Times
•Flight Status
•Send to GPS
•Converter
•White Pages
•Wireless myGarmin Services
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 05 sept. 2010 :  23:07:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Dewi.

HPatlik
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  00:24:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Garmin sells a US subscription for $8.95 (on a monthly basis) for those who have a Can subscription.

HPatlik
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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  02:11:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can MyTrends be disabled separately from TrafficTrends?

I like the ideal of helping to build a historical traffic database. They've something like 6 models downloading info when they hookup now and by next year there will be a load of these on the road.

Having the gps start to tell me where it thinks I'm going would pester me too much.

quote:
Originally posted by Boyd

I have disabled trafficTrends and myTrends on ny 3790 as well. It definitely does increase calculation time, and I got tired of myTrends "suggesting" destinations for me as I drive (including returning back home for the first 5 miles out of the driveway!).

However, they do seem to work and have some value. If you deviate from a calculated route and go your own way, after doing this a couple times the 3790 "learns" and will start showing the route you actually drove with its own initial calculation. I actually thought that was pretty cool.

Driving around central Manhattan in NYC, it had me zig-zagging on side streets instead of taking the obvious, direct route on the main street. This seemed to make sense and did help avoid traffic. Unclear as to whether it really saved any significant amount of time however.

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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  02:14:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Given that it is only 1 years free services and that they will be making some cash off the 'Garmin Aoo Store' (the Nexrad radar would be worth some extra$$) does anyone else wonder if the unit will still have ads popping up when stopping?
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  06:24:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With the reduction of the years of free service from 2 with the 1690 to 1 with the 1695, does that mean the 1695 will not have pop-up ads?

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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  17:19:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is the mapping encoded with trafficTrends for both Canadian and US roadways or just US?

HPatlik
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j_skaggs

77 Posts

Posted - 06 sept. 2010 :  22:44:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been using my 1690 almost daily here in the San Francisco Bay area since april. Compared to the FM traffic on my 660, the nulink traffic is more accurate.
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 08 sept. 2010 :  03:21:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by j_skaggs

I have been using my 1690 almost daily here in the San Francisco Bay area since april. Compared to the FM traffic on my 660, the nulink traffic is more accurate.



Thanks. Do we know what accounts for the greater accuracy of nulink traffic?

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ST-Bob

USA
3684 Posts

Posted - 08 sept. 2010 :  03:38:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Know? Not much. But we do know the data speed afforded by FM traffic using RDS subcarrier is about 100 bits-per-second. MSN Direct can be up to 15 times as much bandwidth, but of course they're discontinuing that service. Bandwidth for cellular modems can be either 1X or faster data speeds giving hundreds or thousands of times as much bandwidth as RDS traffic data. This increased bandwidth can cut latency to nearly nothing so traffic data is both more available and more quickly updated.

The second factor is the data provider used. Total Traffic Network and NavTeq Traffic are currently used in the US for FM traffic. No idea who provides the data for the cellular-enabled 1690.

FM traffic RDS data is injected at a fairly low level and is therefor harder to demodulate and suffers from more errors. Cellular data connections are error-correcting like Ethernet and have a much wider network of cell sites than FM radio stations.

All these factors add up to make NuLink head and shoulders more capable than RDS traffic receivers. But paying a monthly fee just seems somehow "wrong" to me. Oh well - to each his own.

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
Massachusetts, USA
Various Iways, nüvi 750
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JGinhisSS

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 08 sept. 2010 :  16:44:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Garmin nulink! page says NavTeq provides traffic info.
After using 1690 for two months but only driving in larger cities about once a week I can see advantages over Dash Express and big advantages over MSN Direct. We were able to avoid stoppages in Birmingham AL and 30 miles outside of the city on I-65 N. for road repairs. The delay icon constantly updates the delay time. I have seen false alarms on all these units but fewer with the 1690.
I probably will get the nulink! 1695 next year for the Doppler radar and weather warnings. We spend more time dodging weather rather than traffic.

nuvi 680 - nuvi 500 - nuvi 1690 - nuLink! 1695 - nuvi 3597
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LER

USA
212 Posts

Posted - 08 sept. 2010 :  19:13:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Having used both the ClearChannel FM traffic and the NuLink NavTeq traffic, I much prefer the Navteq traffic with the 1690. The ClearChannel folks only do major roadways, whereas the NavTeq guys seem to cover the rest of the normal "busy" streets.

This is at least true here in the Austin, TX US area.

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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 10 sept. 2010 :  02:16:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Navteq, according to their Facebook rep, will be updating their traffic coverage to include more secondary roads in the US before years end.

The 1695 will be my next gps. TomTom's maps are so poor I can't take it anymore.

Anyone know how many 1690's were sold?
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toronado455

70 Posts

Posted - 10 sept. 2010 :  07:09:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With nulink, how much advance warning do you get that there are traffic problems ahead? Will it warn you if there is heavy traffic like say 50 miles ahead? Because if it could do this, I would have time to change my route to a different freeway. But if it only warns me a few miles before the jam, then it's too late for me to change routes.

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ST-Bob

USA
3684 Posts

Posted - 10 sept. 2010 :  12:59:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regardless of distance, you can always look at the traffic map occasionally. My 750 continues to show the last buffered traffic data received even when I've traveled beyond the region where the FM traffic had been active. This lasts till you power-cycle the Nuvi apparently. From my experience with FM traffic using Clear-Channel, the warnings have popped up as soon as I travel along my route till I get within FM coverage of the traffic 'region' experiencing traffic problems (FM traffic is split up into distinct regions around major metro areas). Connected Nuvis would not have the FM traffic reception limitations but would, of course, have to be in cell range of the carrier providing the data services (AT&T I think).

So in good cell-range areas it all becomes a matter of programming then, not as much an FM reception range as I experience with FM traffic. I've received the pop-up traffic warning symbol with delay times usually 10-20 miles before I get there. Sometimes I get it as soon as the route is calculated the warning pops up for something 50 or 70 miles away. It all depends on whether it's in the same traffic 'region' and how good the FM traffic signal is. Since FM traffic data rate is so low, the stronger FM signal you have for the longest time results in the best traffic data. If you're in a fringe coverage area you may get part of the data stream but not the whole thing depending on what part of the cycle you caught when you had good FM signal. This can leave gaps in the traffic data which may or may not be filled in as you continue to drive. I'd expect this to be improved with connected Nuvis since cell service generally follows interstates.

Yesterday I watched the warning and its delay time increase from 1 minute to 3, then 5 before I decided to press the re-route button. It did a good job of getting me around the delay and apparently saved me 3 minutes. I suppose it would have been even more useful in a longer delay or accident. Unfortunately there was no other freeway I could have taken to avoid this construction delay where I usually travel. Some major metro areas have a web of alternates but here in New England there's not many options. Of course we have less traffic too...

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
Massachusetts, USA
Various Iways, nüvi 750
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hpatlik

1157 Posts

Posted - 11 sept. 2010 :  01:28:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
toronado: I think it is not as question of how many miles ahead of the accident will the gps reroute you, it is a question of whether it can calculate a faster route compared to going through the slower traffic on the set route. If the gps has to take you well out of the way to get to your destination, it won't recalculate an alternative, the same as the gps units that uses FM Traffic or MSN. I also do not think Garmin has improved the detour button.

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ST-Bob

USA
3684 Posts

Posted - 11 sept. 2010 :  01:52:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today I experienced an FM traffic region limitation which illustrates a potential problem that NuLink connected nuvis may be able to fix.

I was driving east on I-90 in western Massachusetts. I had no FM traffic signal till I approached within about 10 miles of the I-91 interchange. The Nuvi 750 picked up and locked on a traffic signal and began filling in the region's traffic delay map. The signal it had locked onto was for a region which included mostly I-91 from Hartford CT to Springfield MA, not the area I was traveling into (Worcester, MA). I saw only traffic for the region in which I was traveling even though less than 40 miles ahead there was a definite 'every day' traffic jam with slow traffic on I-290 in Worcester MA right along my planned route.

The limitation was FM signal range and the severely limited data rate RDS traffic provides. With only about 100 bits/second the amount of data sent is limited to prevent the cycle time for repeating the sequence from being too long. This helps prevent you from missing the data repeatedly as you go in and out of solid signal areas. It also limits how much traffic data can be sent from each region's traffic broadcasters.

The local Worcester MA FM traffic station is WSRS 96.1 Mhz which was not picked up by the Nuvi's traffic receiver till I was almost on top of the problem area. If I had been using a NuLink connected traffic receiver, I might have been able to obtain traffic info much further ahead along my route since it doesn't rely on regional severely limited RDS data but on-demand data retrieved at the request of the connected Nuvi. Signal coverage should not be as limited with cellular connected Nuvis. As I said before, AT&T has data coverage all along most interstates in the US and Rogers does in major metro areas of Canada.

Let's hope the 1690 and 1695 do it this way... Dunno myself if they do or not; but the potentially could - a real improvement over what I saw today with FM traffic.

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
Massachusetts, USA
Various Iways, nüvi 750
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daveo

USA
217 Posts

Posted - 14 sept. 2010 :  01:49:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I currently have a 755 with MSN Direct and an in car system with XM traffic. The XM traffic has the information miles before it is an issue, the FM as you point out is often 10 miles before I get to it. I have run both in Cincinnati, Indy, Columbus, DC area, Chicago and Detroit area. I must prefer the Nuvi to find things, but it is nice to get traffic early. And they all want to route you thru Chicago, rather than around it.

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JGinhisSS

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 25 sept. 2010 :  23:03:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On sale at Crutchfield.com or their 800 number. Pre-order for $399.99 and free shipping. Delivery 10/18/2010.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 28 sept. 2010 :  20:30:18  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Let us know when it comes in ;-) It's too bad that like the 1690 it won't work both in Europe and NA if not I would have picked one up too. Garmin really need to fix that for their future connected GPS systems or at the very least allow connection of an RDS FM receiver.

quote:
Originally posted by hpatlik

Thanks,

I may be upgrading from a Nuvi 760 so I hadn't been watching how the format changed in the 1xxx series. Since they are using wav files, is the final gpi file was be significantly larger?

HPatlik
In my experience it's about 4x, 1.2Mb for the MP3 version and 4.6 for the sox/wav version, quite a bit more but there is room to spare ;-)

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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 02 oct. 2010 :  01:24:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New info and link to owner's manual.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=70853

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offthegrid

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Posted - 03 oct. 2010 :  04:23:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is supposed to be available October 1st yet I haven't seen a single review yet.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 04 oct. 2010 :  21:49:00  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You'll have to be a bit more patient, from the last message on the prevous page :
quote:
Originally posted by JGinhisSS

On sale at Crutchfield.com or their 800 number. Pre-order for $399.99 and free shipping. Delivery 10/18/2010.

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caryrae

USA
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Posted - 12 oct. 2010 :  21:34:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For anyone interested looks like the 1695 is finally in stock on amazon.com. Ships from and sold by J&R Music and Computer World [ed]
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Jim1348

USA
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Posted - 13 oct. 2010 :  00:35:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am looking forward to reading reviews of this.
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JGinhisSS

USA
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It's here. Connected Arkon mount, plugged power up in driveway and will hook it to computer after it's charged. Out of the box I noticed---
If you hated the bright blue light on the 1690 power plug, the 1695 uses one LED that may be too dim for some. The power button is just as unresponsive as the 1690 or more.
The on-screen bar with the touchscreen buttons is on the left side of the screen. Being right-handed and using a stylus, my hand covers the screen. Annoying.
There is a display timeout setting of 1, 2, or 3 minutes. I set it for 1 minute and waited but nothing has happened so far.

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gkassian

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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  04:59:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jim1348

I am looking forward to reading reviews of this.



I've got one. Some glitches but overall seems to work.
Stunned by extremely poor quality of map graphics. Non-map screens look ok, but the map looks as if it's the cheapest TomTom unit. 255W is waaaay better.
The unit is also very slow. Both route calculation and map display. With this size and weight I would expect some decent CPU inside and reasonable performance. It took it >1min to calculate simple 6 hr route.
I will give it a field test over the weekend to see how's it doing in terms of navigation. Then we'll see what to do about it.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  05:13:17  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for these first reports, doesn't look like they are using the fast CPU of the nuvi 3790 then, that's a shame.

Actually...you may want to deactivate trafficTrends in the nuRoutes menu to see if it helps, the 3790 takes 10x the time to calculate a route from Palo Alto, CA to Eureka, CA with nuRoutes activated (about 70 seconds vs 7 seconds).

Pictures would be great, especially of the 1695 next to the 1690, you can post them here using this method http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14251

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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  05:35:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JGinhisSS

There is a display timeout setting of 1, 2, or 3 minutes. I set it for 1 minute and waited but nothing has happened so far.



If it's like the time out on other Nuvi models, it only works when it's on battery power and NOT when it's connected to the vehicle or USB cable.


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gkassian

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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  06:23:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion
Actually...you may want to deactivate trafficTrends in the nuRoutes menu to see if it helps, the 3790 takes 10x the time to calculate a route from Palo Alto, CA to Eureka, CA with nuRoutes activated (about 70 seconds vs 7 seconds).



Thank you for the feedback. Disabling trafficTrends indeed makes it faster. However, GPS without historical stats just doesn't make sense for me (NYC). I've seen how IQ Routes really make a difference on TomTom and expect Garmin to match the performance (may be not right now).

I looked at a couple of youtube videos, it looks like the graphics on 1695 is the same as on 1690. Still it's far worse than any 2xx or 7xx unit.
I posted a small dumb 2-minute video that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyVRIEHBIcc
You can see the map quality and some jumps in movement. I calculate a short 3-mile route. Even this takes a noticeable time.
On 1-32 I switch to traffic map. The unit takes full 10 seconds to re-draw the map (upper-right corner gets stale for a while). It happens on my 255 too, but it's now several years old and is way smaller. The blue arrow that represents the vehicle on traffic map screen is just pathetic :)

On a positive note, nulink does work, traffic information is received immediately and traffic trends do affect ETA. I will run 1695 against Go930 over the weekend and post the results.
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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  07:06:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a 30 day free trial for weather alerts/ radar which I accepted. I dragged the map down to south Florida to get a look at Tropical Storm Paula. You can use four zoom levels and four frames 15 minutes apart (45 minute span) appear. The first "refresh" at the bottom of the hour happened quickly. The next one is 30 minutes overdue.
Using battery power the screen stayed lit until I pulled the cord out of the USB connection, then it went dim after three minutes, still visible.

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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  14:02:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't see any prices for the radar service. How much do they want for that service?


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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 15 oct. 2010 :  16:21:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gkassian

The blue arrow that represents the vehicle on traffic map screen is just pathetic :)


That's the default map icon and is just a smaller version of what your using on the regular map screen. If you don't like it you can easily change it via Tools - Map - Vehicle (most Nuvi's) or Tools - Navigation - Automobile - Vehicle (37xx). There should be some other icons available there. If not, there are tons of them at http://www8.garmin.com/vehicles/ and even more at http://vehiclesforgarminnuvi.com/

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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  01:03:46  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gkassian

quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion
Actually...you may want to deactivate trafficTrends in the nuRoutes menu to see if it helps, the 3790 takes 10x the time to calculate a route from Palo Alto, CA to Eureka, CA with nuRoutes activated (about 70 seconds vs 7 seconds).


Thank you for the feedback. Disabling trafficTrends indeed makes it faster. However, GPS without historical stats just doesn't make sense for me (NYC). I've seen how IQ Routes really make a difference on TomTom and expect Garmin to match the performance (may be not right now).
Yes, trafficTrends is just getting started so it might take some time to see an impact. We have a dedicated topic (-> [TOPIC] Garmin nuRoute : trafficTrends, myTrends and I don't think anyone's been able to see much difference in routes or ETA, only the 10x calculation times. Can you share your route or try the Palo Alto/Eureka route to see how long it takes with/without?

What software versions (main, gps) is it running? Hopefully they will have an update quickly to improve the map display.

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offthegrid

USA
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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  02:04:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Assuming that the movie search in the youtube video was a nulink search that is infinitely faster than a TomTom 740 getting info using Live.

First you wait forever for "connecting to TomTom server" Then once its connected it tells you to wait for the info etc etc.
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gkassian

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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  02:16:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
That's the default map icon and is just a smaller version of what your using on the regular map screen.


Hi Rick, thanks for suggestion. It's not the arrow itself, it's how it's displayed. Reminds me the graphics on my first monitor in early nineties.
The screenshot is slightly better than it looks on the device. Notice the arrow and the font...

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  02:25:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Remember, that's the night view which surrounds some objects/text with contrasting borders to increase visibility. It looks much better in day mode I'm sure.

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
Massachusetts, USA
Various Iways, nüvi 750

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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  02:32:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or you can use a custom vehicle:


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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 16 oct. 2010 :  07:28:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 1690 screen has a tan tint while the 1695 is gray. The roads show up better on the 1690. It seems like Garmin is making the menus harder to navigate with this latest model.




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Dewi

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Posted - 17 oct. 2010 :  17:23:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JGinhisSS

The 1690 screen has a tan tint while the 1695 is gray. The roads show up better on the 1690.
The 1695 allows you to customize the map theme colours if you don't like the gray one. Go to: Tools>Settings>Navigation>Automobile>Map Theme (see page 54 of the manual).
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synomenon

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Posted - 17 oct. 2010 :  23:12:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, not very "glowing" reviews so far. I do have a NuLink 1695 on order right now and am now thinking of cancelling that order and ordering a 3790T instead.

The only reason I wanted the 1695 is because of the NuLink service(s), but if it's laggy like their basic models then I don't know if I can handle that. Too bad they didn't put the 3790T's fast processor in the 1695.

Finally, has anyone checked to see if Garmin used a quad band GSM radio in the 1695 this time? I remember the post in the 1690 thread where people posted that screen shot showing that the 1690 has only a dual band GSM radio.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  01:53:59  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Most likely not as they have different North American and European models, see the previous pages for a discussion about that.

Maybe an owner can confirm that by looking at the hidden network menu (long press on the network icon top right).

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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  05:07:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mine shows-
Band: Dual 850/1900 MHz

I remember seeing the color change (map theme) instructions in the manual. But when I go to the different choices they are-
Garmin, Danmark, Deutschland, France, Italia, Nederland, Osterreich, Polska, Slovensko, Suomi, United Kingdom.
I tried switching from Garmin to Deutschland and then U. K. Did not see any difference. I'm still scratching my head on that one.

Noticed tonight that areas mapped inside city limits are a darker shade of gray.

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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  06:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've got a Nulink 1695 on order from Amazon, haven't received it yet. I must say though, the map screen in the pictures on here is like going from standard def graphics (Nuvi 855 and TomTom XL 340TM LIVE) to HD graphics on the Nuvi 1695. If you're expecting graphics like Google's satellite imagery (a good number of you seem to be) then you shouldn't be buying a standalone GPS unit. The performance on the Nuvi 1695's map animation in looking at the youtube video someone posted seems significantly faster than the Nuvi 855 was. I do have one question. Is the Nuvi 1695 also Linux based? Is its OS capable of multitasking? Multitasking caused significant problems on the Nuvi 855. If you started a search, hit the back button and started another search then eventually the voice would become loud and garbled because there were too many processes running in the background. This never happened on the Nuvi 265T which ran Garmin's own custom OS. Also, does the Nuvi 1695 use the improved voice that was on the Nuvi 265T or does use the Jill voice from the Nuvi 855 that doesn't know what standard abbreviations like "FY" mean.
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gkassian

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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  07:07:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IsLNdbOi

Wow, not very "glowing" reviews so far. I do have a NuLink 1695 on order right now and am now thinking of cancelling that order and ordering a 3790T instead.



IsLNdbOi, I am close to 100% happy with NuLink service, I am generally happy with navigation. I think I can live with computation times for for traffic trends. I am really angry about new map "themes". There is a chance I would be ok with "themes" if not for my older Nuvi. The map design still seems to be on par with TomTom or even better, but I had a painful experience of comparing the new look to my older 255W... it just makes me upset.
I have huge problem scrolling the map in 2D mode. In general, the touchscreen is quite good. But it's scrolling the map is a royal pain for me.

I'll post some screen shots and more feedback tomorrow. My get feeling is that all issues except for map display have a high chance to be resolved in the future firmware upgrades.
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synomenon

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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  09:05:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by techguy378

If you're expecting graphics like Google's satellite imagery (a good number of you seem to be) then you shouldn't be buying a standalone GPS unit.


I'm not expecting that. What I'm expecting is that the 1695's graphics be at least as "good" as the graphics on my

@gkassian - can you explain the issue with the map themes again? Is that the same thing as the map display issue you're talking about?

I just watched the small YouTube video clip you posted and the map screen looks very much like my 885T's map screen other than your 1695's screen looks overly bright / very saturated (maybe your camera?).
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Dewi

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Posted - 18 oct. 2010 :  15:44:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On page 29 of the 37XX User Review thread, Boyd notes that the Map Theme files are text files stored in the Themes\Map directory with a .kmtf extension. If the same is true for the 1695, perhaps you could create a custom theme colour combination to your liking.
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offthegrid

USA
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Posted - 19 oct. 2010 :  01:16:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are the traffic ads on the 1695 when you come to a stop?
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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 19 oct. 2010 :  02:32:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not enough ads that I noticed them. They came in spurts on the 1690 so it may just be a slow period or I need to get out more.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 19 oct. 2010 :  02:39:04  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JGinhisSS

Mine shows - Band: Dual 850/1900 MHz
Thanks for checking, so that's same US only dual-band, Europe uses 900/1800. Wonder how much they're saving by not using a quadband chip...

I'm guessing that like the 1690 the 1695 has been "crippled" to prevent the use of an external RDS TMC receiver, so that means there is no way to have access to traffic information if you cross the pond, so annoying.

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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 19 oct. 2010 :  06:58:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the TomTom LIVE GPS units the FM traffic is not compatible with the live traffic. Using both together causes crashes and reboots. I've experienced this personally on my TomTom XL 340TM LIVE unit and I've heard reports of it happening on the TomTom GO 740TM LIVE. I would suspect that Garmin found this out which is why they prevent people from using FM traffic with their NuLink units.
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offthegrid

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  01:13:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TomTom sells both the 340 and 740 Live units with lifetime traffic which is the ClearChannel/Inrix TMC over the air type so you can use that service with them I suppose just not both at the same time.

Imagine the unit gets conflicting data from the two services how would it know what was correct and what wasn't for time to destination?
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  08:26:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@offthegrid - Sorry, I didn't make my post totally clear. I wasn't talking about simultaneously using FM traffic and live traffic. The reboots on TomTom LIVE units specifically occur when it disconnects from the FM traffic receiver and connects to the live traffic. On the XL 340TM LIVE unit this issue is repeatable and happens every single time the unit is powered on with the FM traffic receiver already plugged in. TomTom says this is because the application is installed incorrectly, but that isn't the reason. It's a bug in the TomTom application software that TomTom apparently can't resolve.
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gkassian

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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  09:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here comes a more detailed review, to the best of my writing abilities. We compared 1695 to 255w and TomTom Go 930 on a ~1000 mile trip from NYC to New Hampshire last weekend. I have also tested it on NYC streets for several hours.
Sorry, the review is waaaay to long, but I hope at least some parts of it might be helpful.

Look and feel
Unnecessarily big and heavy. Black glossy frame adds another inch to the dimensions of the unit. Does not fit in the palm anymore and barely fits a pocket. Smaller frame would make it much better. I would gladly go with a smaller unit if there were an alternative with the same set of functions.
Display and sound are ok. I use 10-20% volume setting and 20% brightness. Icons and menus are cute and a pleasure to look at.
The only problem I have is the touchscreen behavior when scrolling 2D maps. The behavior is erratic. Sometimes it overshoots, sometimes does not move and sometimes jumps in the opposite direction. This is the first touchscreen that I can't operate. To be fair, I must say that one of my friends can handle it. I have no problem navigating menues or typing text - only map scrolling is a problem.

Nulink
Works like magic. All data (including traffic) is available immediately. Coverage is very good, we only lost NuLink signal for ~30 minutes in the mountains in NH.
Weather radar, local events search and fuel prices are not really necessary but fun to have.
Love how they integrated safety camersas - looks and feels great, plus you can report new cameras by simply clicking on "speed limit" icon.
Here is what shows up when you click:


Navigation

Here we have a big step forward. Traffic trends do work. Virtually every route in NYC is slightly different from the routes generated by older Nuvis. There is a clear tendency to route through more off-beat streets (13th st in Manhattan instead of 14th, Reade st instead of Chambers). Sometimes the choice is questionable, but every route I've seen is acceptable and I can imagine a situation where the suggested route can indeed be optimal.
On the negative side, the ETAs are still unrealistic. It still fails to account for traffic lights. My stats for today are 37 minutes on a 30-minute route, 25 on 15, 35 on 25, 35 on 30 and 14 on 13. The mismatch is due to traffic lights, there were no other delays on route.
Even though the trip is often 20-30% longer than predicted, it is a bit better than what older units tend to do. That said, TomTom normally hits the arrival time with 1-2 minute accuracy, so Garmin still has a long way to go.

The effects of traffic trends are also visible on interstates away from NYC. I've seen some effect on ETA and also some interesting route that no unit ever suggested (I-95 -> 8 -> Merritt Pkwy) .
This is a bit less important since old units also do an amazing job on highways. I didn't have enough time to figure out if 1695 adjusts to driving habbits as previous Nuvis did. I really hope this functionality is still there and have not been replaced with traffic trends.

Traffic
My experience with traffic is so far limited. Basic features do work, but I don't understand all the details yet.
Really enjoyed that traffic information is available almost immediately when the unit is turned on. Traffic information is taken into account when a route is created, depending on circumstances it can route through traffic or silently avoid it.
As many people have noted, traffic icon no longer shows delay time (although the manual says that it should). However, the delay time is added to the ETA, so it's still more or less acceptable.
Sometimes, when you click the traffic icon, you can see that an alternative route is available:



There is no way to figure out if alternative route is available. I have to click the traffic icon every time and check if "alternative route" option shows up. It shows up, than it disappears, than the same alternative shows up again after a couple of minutes. Couldn't figure out what the logic is.
By clicking on "Alt route" you get the "Route A/Route B" screen that shows up on Garmin screen shots:



The options were not very useful so far, but it's good that they are available.
You can also avoid a given traffic event by clicking on three horizontal bars on the left.

I haven't yet seen 1695 to automatically recompute the route if traffic situation changes. I assume it can do it, but this is yet to be seen.

As for the quality of traffic data, it seems to be ok. I still think that TTN has more streets covered than Navteq.
Also, traffic information is still regional, even with NuLink. New York traffic information is only available when you're sufficiently close to NYC. Say, in Hartford, only Connecticut traffic is received. I can see how early warning can be useful so that an optimal route can be selected as soon as possible, but don't think it's critical at this stage.

Ergonomics and design

Now we come to the painful part. I think that Garmin screwed up big time in terms of usability and design. Even with mediocre navigation, I strongly preferred Garmin over TomTom because of impecable design and exceptional ease of use. Now most of it is gone.

It has been noted in other reviews, but I'll repeat it again that menus became more cumbersome and the amount of clicks that ones need to do grew significantly.
FOr example, to find a hotel near your destination, on 255 you would need to click
Menu -> WhereTo -> Near -> My Destination -> OK -> POI -> Lodging
(7 clicks)
On 169 it becomes
Return -> WhereTo -> Three Bars -> Near -> Scroll Down -> Scroll Down -> My Destination -> Save -> POI -> Lodging -> Hotel or Motel
(11 clicks)

Same story with many other functions. They now place no more than 3 menu choices on a page, so you have to scroll and scroll and scroll.

When typing an address you used to have a drop-down menu with recent choices. It's no longer available. Instead Garmin throws in one choice at a time at it's own wish. No history means you have to re-type more often.
Again, if you type a street name and than realize that the first leter is incorrect you can no longer move cursor to the first symbol and correct it, you have to re-type the whole phrase.
These are all minor issues. What is frustrating is that they used to get it right. Now someone "smart" came and decided to change something that worked perfectly and was designed with a lot of thought.
One extreme example is when external power is lost, the unit shuts down after 15 seconds, so you have to rush to cancel shut-down asap.. It used to be 30. I don't know why would anyone come up with an idea to change it, as if there are no more important things to look at.

One of the biggest design issues for me is map rendering.
This is how a complex intersection is rendered by 1695


Ans this is how the same intersection looks on 255W:



I truly believe that the map on older Nuvis is a true masterpiece. It's a bit less fancy, but it does present information in very clear and easy to grasp way. It's way better than Google map and can compete with a good road atlas.
Limited access highways are in red, main highways are orange, smaller highways are yellow, secondary streets are white/gray. This is all gone on 1695.
There are themes that help a little bit. Austrian one seems to be a bit better. Interstates are red and water in lakes and rivers is blue again and not metallic. But the difference between major and minor highways is lost - all a rendered the same color.

When it comes to city streets it's even worse. Notice how city streets are rendered on 1695:



compare to 255, notice how everything is sharper and how well information is presented


also here is a 2D view:
1695

255


I can go on like this forever, so it's probably time to stop :)

other annoyances
1695 is very slow: map rendering takes up to 10 seconds, route computation takes up to several minutes. From the box of this size and weight one would expect a much better performance. On the bright side, POI search works much faster and I have to mention that a coiuple of years ago TomTom also used to take a while to calculate a route. It was later fixed by firmware updates.

You still can't avoid a part of route. This is notorious.
And you can't edit the map (something TomTom has for several years now). A highway ramp near my home is closed for 18 months. Garmin still belives it's open. I can't avoid a part of route and I can't edit the map... done.


You can't disable junction views. Those are annoying as they are static by nature and you don't know what's coming next. This is important when the next turn is coming soon.

You can't prevent speed from turning red when driving above speed limit (plus tolerance). The problem is that red is barely visible on grey background and I tend to look at GPS to find out my speed. If you try to stay at speed limit +9, you look at GPS but can't see the number because red on grey is not visible. To make it hard to see when you need it the most is not what I would call a good design.

I can't understand why Garmin does not offer to get rid of add pop-ups for some fee. Not that I care too much, but I'd appreciate to have a choice. Adds are not too annoying and could be fun if they had something besides Dunkin Donuts and Chase. When I see the same Donuts add 10 times during the day, I'm ready to promise not to buy a single donut in my life :)

And again, I can go on like this forever.


Summary
Usability and looks of Garmin are now history. This is a good toy, but it's not Nuvi any longer. This is an example of how one can screw-up a nearly perfect design.
Navigation is improved and I expect it to improve further. TomTom is still ahead, but we might eventually see a competition.

NuLink services work perfectly. I'm not sure how this is better than a smart phone, but I think it's fun to have them.

What I have learned from this is that I will never sell my 255W. It is a piece of art and I should hold on to it as long as it works.

I'm a bit hesitant whether I should keep 1695 or return it, but I tend to keep it. TomTom 1000 is not yet realeased in the US, so there is no real competitor with the same set of features.

This review might look too negative, but don't get me wrong. This is one of the most powerful units on the market. And if you don't have prior experience with older Nuvis it does look beautiful (except for the form-factor). I only wish Garmin would take the best of both worlds.
p.s. and by the way, pedestrian mode is awesome


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synomenon

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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  09:24:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the review. The maps on the 255W look sharper because it has a smaller screen than the 1695, but has the same resolution (480x272). This means that the pixels on the 255W's screen are packed closer together which would make the screen look sharper.

I don't understand how it takes so long to calculate routes though. Is this issue fixed if the NuRoutes (TrafficTrends / MyTrends) is disabled?

If the 1695 did not have the NuLink feature / wasn't connected to the live services, would you still keep it?

Edited by - synomenon on 20 oct. 2010 09:25:53
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  13:42:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Excellent review, gkassian.

I'd be curious how the 1690 would compare to the 1695 in the same test. I only have my experience with my old SP2610 with which to compare. Sounds like Garmin changed much more than just the screen size in this iteration.

I do have some issues with the navigation of the 1690. I normally leave it in shortest distance for my around town driving. I've found that when I go off-route, it tends to recalculate to get me back on the same route, even when there are much shorter routes available. I can be less than 1/2 block from my destination and it still wants to take me in some convoluted route to get me there. Haven't figured that out yet. Wonder if that's specific to the 1690 or just a nuvi feature in general?



-speedy
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gkassian

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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  14:10:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IsLNdbOi

Thanks for the review. The maps on the 255W look sharper because it has a smaller screen than the 1695, but has the same resolution (480x272). This means that the pixels on the 255W's screen are packed closer together which would make the screen look sharper



IsLNdbOi, screenshots are of the same size, yet 255 is still sharper. Also, if screen size were a problem, if you look at 255 from, say, 30 inches and at 1695 at 40 inches, you would expect the map on 1695 look sharper. This is not the case. The screen itself is good enough, icons look sharp from any distance. I believe it's just a "design feature". I might be wrong.

Slow route calculation only happens with TrafficTrends feature is switched on. It's much faster without it. As I've mentioned, this used to be the case with TomTom too. Hope Garmin can address it.
At this point, I wouldn't buy any unit that does not have IQRoutes/TrafficTrends. I don't see future navigation without it, unless connected devices take over and all traffic feeds are real time on all secondary roads.
If you don't travel in urban areas, 255 would be enough, I would say.
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synomenon

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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  14:22:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think you understand the screen size / resolution issue.

A 5" screen with a 480x272 resolution is not going to look as sharp as a 4.3" screen with a 480x272 resolution.

The 4.3" screen on the 255W has as many pixels as the 5" screen of the 1695, BUT the pixels on the 255W's screen are more dense / packed more tightly together. Since the 255W's smaller screen has as many pixels as the 1695's larger screen, the pixels on the 255W's screen are packed more tightly together.

The 255W's pixels being more tightly packed together makes its screen look sharper.

Edited by - synomenon on 20 oct. 2010 14:24:32
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  16:29:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is a great report - thanks for posting!

Enabling trafficTrends makes calculation MUCH slower on my 3790 as well. Obviously it is evaluating a lot more data.

Unfortunately, this unit appears to have inherited some of the quirks for the other 1xx0 series. I disliked my 1350 because it had the same touchscreen issues you describe. This has nothing to do with hardware or calibration... it's the way that Garmin tried to emulate the "physics" on the iPhone screen. It doesn't quite make it.

They really got the map screens right on the 37x0 series however. There are a lot more street and POI labels visible. Your screenshots show the same problem as the other 1xx0 and the 7x5 series - almost no text information on the screen (no street names, city names, etc). I guess they are going to treat the 37x0 differently from their other lines. Will be interested to see how the 23x0 models look.

Edited by - Boyd on 20 oct. 2010 16:29:55
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  21:00:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just got my NuLink 1695 today. I haven't had much time to play with it yet, but I can tell you it is by far the fastest performing Garmin unit I've ever seen. With the map detail cranked up to "More" the map refreshes almost instantly. No 10+ second delay like some of you are reporting. In the 2D map view it no longer seems possible to scroll with your finger. You can only tap a spot on the screen and have that spot centered on the screen. Also, the live NuLink services (traffic, fuel prices, Google, etc) are all available instantly. Unlike TomTom, the NuLink 1695 registers on the cell phone network as fast as my Samsung Captivate phone does. Also, searching for POI's is much improved over previous units. My Garmin Nuvi 855 would take me to a list of search results long before I had finished spelling the POI I was looking for. Then I constantly had to hit back and start typing the name of the POI all over again. By comparison, the NuLink 1695 will search its built in POI database in the background as you type. Once you hit "Done" the search results will appear instantly. No more hourglass.

From the videos I've seen of the Nuvi 37xx units, the NuLink 1695 easily matches their performance. Either you guys got a buggy unit or you're being way too picky.
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caryrae

USA
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Posted - 20 oct. 2010 :  22:13:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was wondering what premium services are offered in the Nulink Store on the 1695 and what they cost? Is it just the advanced weather and safety camera alerts that they show on the Garmin website
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corrado959

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  00:13:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by techguy378

On the TomTom LIVE GPS units the FM traffic is not compatible with the live traffic. Using both together causes crashes and reboots. I've experienced this personally on my TomTom XL 340TM LIVE unit and I've heard reports of it happening on the TomTom GO 740TM LIVE. I would suspect that Garmin found this out which is why they prevent people from using FM traffic with their NuLink units.



I have a TomTom 740 Live (Software Ver.9.058) and don not have a problem with it rebooting when the traffic goes from Live to FM. It works very well on my unit.
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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  03:52:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good work, gkassian.
Since the 1695 is large and slippery, I would recommend the Garmin leather (?) case for the 1400 series. It has a window that allows you to use it in the case and a cover with magnet clasps. The best price was on Amazon at the time. Without a case, the odds are you will drop it eventually.
Being in a rural area I will rely on weather info and fuel prices a good bit. We can always find cheaper fuel outside this county.
If I try to spell Timbuktu (poor example) on the keyboard, and it comes out "Tymbuktu", I have been able to touch the screen between the Y and M and make the correction. On the 1690 I had to erase everything back to the mistake.
We're always sight-seeing wherever we go and if I see a veteran's hospital, golf course, body of water, etc., I want to know "What's that?" The 680 will tell me, the 1600's never do.

nuvi 680 - nuvi 500 - nuvi 1690 - nuLink! 1695 - nuvi 3597
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gkassian

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  07:30:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Played a bit with xml files that define map themes. It is not extremely difficult to figure out what is what. It is possible to make different road types render in different colours. It is also possible to make residential roads thinner, so that the picture looks cleaner. Background can also be changed from gray to dark-blue as it was on older units.
Haven't finished yet, but it's possible to get a theme that somewhat resembles 255. For now it's more of a proof of concept rather than final version.




Don't think the gray color background color for speed limit indicator can be changed. Does not look to well with blue background.

JGinhisSS, thanks for the hint. RE-typing the text from arbitrary place indeed works. Stupid me, stone age mentality :)
1695 does show names for lakes, parks and rivers if I click them in 2D. Each time it's a short fight with the touchscreen.

Caryrae, so far only Cameras and Weather are available. The cost is around $25/ year for each of them. Which is a lot, I would say.

IsLNdbOi, I don't think screen resolution is an issue. As I've said, screen shots are of the same size, yet 1695 looks blurry. This is software, not hardware. It gets much better if map theme is changed.

Speedlever, haven't used shortest routes, so unfortunately can't say. If faster time is selected, it sometimes selects a route which is a couple of minutes longer and it reduces the travel time once you miss the turn. I've seen it on other units too, it's usually within 1-2 minutes, so not a big deal.

Techguy, if you click "show traffic map" - how much time does it take for it to completely render the map? And what are typical computation times for ~100 mile routes with TrafficTrends switched on? If yours is indeed much faster, I'll probably have to contact Garmin...

Boyd, thanks for the comment. I did have a feeling that this should be some generic problem. Really love the resolution on 37xx. Will probably have to wait for a connected model now.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  07:53:41  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@techguy378 - This is off-topic here but I've never had a single problem with my GO 740 or 950 rebooting when switching from RDS TMC to LIVE, as you've certainly found out, LIVE takes over when your subscription is active anyway and this cannot be overridden. Either it's a specific 340TM problem or you've been unlucky. Start a topic in the TomTom section if you want to discuss further.

In any case this is irrelevant as to why Garmin has not enabled RDS TMC compatibility on the 1690 or 1695, it has to come down to either wanting to force buyers to use and subscribe to nuLink and/or as part of their deal with the carriers (AT&T in the US and KPN in Europe) they're working with. That's their call, but it's a poor decision when you cross the pond with your connected GPS and find out you can't even get access to traffic information.

@gkassian - let me chime in and thank you for your review. If you're ok with that I'll convert it for the poral format and wil post it as an article here -> www.GpsPasSion.com ;-) Might be best to wait until you've finished your "skinning". Also can you include the time it takes to calculate a test route with/without trafficTrends and I'll compute it on my 3790T as well so we can quantify any speed differences.

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synomenon

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  09:27:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by techguy378

From the videos I've seen of the Nuvi 37xx units, the NuLink 1695 easily matches their performance. Either you guys got a buggy unit or you're being way too picky.


Glad someone said this because it's what I was thinking too.

Anyone here that has a 1695 previously own a Nuvi 885T? How does the 1695 compare to the 885T in real world use?
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  09:49:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
My old Nuvi 855 was identical to your Nuvi 885T. The only difference between the two is the 855 comes with no traffic receiver and your 885T comes with an MSN Direct traffic receiver in the box. I can tell you without a doubt the Nuvi 8x5 devices were the worst blunder that Garmin ever made. They would frequently freeze up due and the voice would get blaring loud and garbled if you had too many POI searches running in the background. This was all due to the underpowered processor in the Nuvi 8x5 units. So far, my NuLink 1695's routing is identical to TomTom's latest and greatest IQ Routes available in the USA. The NuLink 1695's routing and graphics performance is only slightly slower than Google Navigation on a Nexus One or Samsung Captivate phone. The american english voice is identical on both devices and it has significant difficulty pronouncing even the simplest of instructions (Left is pronounced more like Leaft or Laft for example). If you don't mind losing TTS then I would recommend getting the free Matt White voice from Garmin's website. It's an australian voice designed specifically for the USA.
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synomenon

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  09:52:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hehe. You're comparing the 1695 to all these devices I have no experience with. How does it compare to the 855/885T? Is the 1695 faster / "snappier" than the 855/885T?

I see people complaining about the screen's picture / image quality. How does it compare in that regards to the 855/885T?
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  09:59:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
The 1695 is smooth as butter. The graphics only stutter when zooming in or out. The Nuvi 8x5 units were the only ones that had any serious performance problems.
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synomenon

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Posted - 21 oct. 2010 :  11:00:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gkassian, have you tried copying the xml map themes from your 255W and using them on the 1695?
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offthegrid

USA
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Posted - 22 oct. 2010 :  01:03:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The availability dates on Amazon keep changing - either that or they can't keep them in stock. It was the 21st last week and today its the 27th.

The online search speeds would be a huge improvement over the TT 740.

Is there some secondary road traffic showing on the unit that is not on shown navteq.com ?
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synomenon

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Posted - 22 oct. 2010 :  01:39:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I ordered mine from Dell after finding a 15% off Dell Electronics & Accessories coupon on Slickdeals.net. They're in stock right now too.
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JGinhisSS

USA
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Posted - 22 oct. 2010 :  03:07:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Experimented with map themes (colors) today. I should have set the screen for "Day" before attempting any changes a few nights ago. I changed from "Garmin" to "Deutschland" which is similar to the 1690 colors and really makes the map features stand out.

nuvi 680 - nuvi 500 - nuvi 1690 - nuLink! 1695 - nuvi 3597
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gkassian

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Posted - 22 oct. 2010 :  06:01:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gpspassion, thanks for the offer. I need to test traffic in urban conditions. Will post the results (if any) and timing for sample routes somewhere sometimes Sunday-Monday. Btw, forgot to mention, but I really enjoyed the trip planner on this unit

IsLNdbOi, I'm not sure if there is .xml on 255. I con't see anything on my unit and there are no schemes on 255, so I doubt it's available. Would be cool though.

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gkassian

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Posted - 26 oct. 2010 :  06:05:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are sample calculation times for my unit

From NYC (Times Square) to
Brooklyn, NY (~5 miles) : 18s ( traffic trends off: 8s )
Stamford, CT (~30 miles) : ~1 min ( 14s )
Boston, MA (~200 miles) : 2m 30s (~ 1 min )
Orlando, FL (~1000 miles): 2m 40s (~1m 10s)

NuLink traffic is on, which adds a bit to the calculation times. If switched to "gps simulation" mode, the times were similar or slightly lower. And here comes the fun part.

1695 vs 255W, both in gps simulation mode. Times for 255W in parentheses. Times Sq to:
Brooklyn - 9s (10s)
Stamford - 16s (13s)
Boston - 45s (20s)
Orlando - 62s (27s)......

You gotta be kidding me. Brand new monster which weights twice as much as my 2 year old nuvi can't compete with it? I'm kind of shocked. If you don't believe it, can make a video side by side.
Keep in mind that 255 actually got slower after the last firmware update several months back (the one when they cleared track log, so I guess that's when they started collecting data for traffic trends).

This weekend, I went to Minnewaska Preserve, a couple of hours from NYC. I started driving in NYC before 1695 finished route calculation. By the time it was done a couple of minutes later, I was already several blocks away, so 1695 had to recalculate. By the time it finished, it had to recalculate again. By the time it finally managed to catch up, I was 3 or 4 miles away from my starting point. What I learned is that it's better not to miss a turn, or you'll have to stop and wait for your GPS to tell you where to go. Not always, but sometimes.
Last Winter I took my 255 with me on the flight from Atlanta to NYC. The aircraft was going at 550 miles per hour and the Nuvi was fast enough to catch up and recalculate the route promptly....

Another interesting is that while driving back from Minnewaska, I couldn't get NuLink traffic for more than 30 minutes and had to rely on TTN FM traffic received by my nuvi.

Additional observations:
Navteq Nulink traffic seems to have more traffic events. Most of them were not real congestions, so the benefits of having NuLink traffic are not immediately obvious ( I would still vote 60/40 in favor of NuLink)
Regarding TrafficTrends - got very good ETAs away from NYC, even on roads with traffic lights. Also got some really ugly routes in NYC, so now I have some cases where TrafficTrends make things worse. As I've said before, some progress have been made, but it's still not on par with TomTom.

p.s.
gpapassion, also tried to simulate your route from Palo Alto to Eureka - 38s (16s with traffic trends turned off)

Edited by - gkassian on 26 oct. 2010 06:50:42
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speedlever

USA
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Posted - 26 oct. 2010 :  13:44:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a point of reference, I ran the route calculations on my 1690 in simulation mode. Where do you stop your timing? When the calculation is finished or when the route map shows on the display?

Edit: initial calcs used shortest route.
NY to Orlando - 20 sec (calc) 30 sec (route display)
NY to Boston - 13 sec (calc) 20 sec (route display)
Palo Alto to Eureka - 7 sec (calc) 11 sec (route display)


Using fastest route:
NY to Orlando: 20 sec (calc) 31 sec (display)
NY to Boston: 14 sec (calc) 19 sec (display)
Palo Alto to Eureka - 7 sec (calc) 11 sec (display)

No appreciable difference fastest/shortest options.

-speedy

Edited by - speedlever on 26 oct. 2010 20:32:18
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synomenon

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Posted - 26 oct. 2010 :  18:37:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, not sounding good at all gkassian. Having it take long to recalculate if you miss a turn when following a route, especially in a new city, would be annoying.

I wonder if these are issues that could be fixed with updated firmware or if it's due to not having the faster processor of the 3790t.

Edited by - synomenon on 26 oct. 2010 18:38:23
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 26 oct. 2010 :  18:58:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 3790 is also really slow to calculate routes with NuRoute enabled. I have experienced many of the same frustrations with recalculation - especially driving in Manhattan where you get "wandering" gps signals. On my last trip up there, I turned off nuRoute because it was bugging me so much.
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 26 oct. 2010 :  20:14:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Has anyone actually been able to confirm with 100% certainty that the NuLink 1695 has a slower processor than the Nuvi 3790T? My 1695 has zero lag when navigating the menus or moving around the 2D maps when I'm not driving. Route calculation is significantly faster with TrafficTrends on than my old Nuvi 855 unit. The route calculation time with TrafficTrends is also a lot faster than TomTom's units with IQ Routes.

What is giving anyone the idea that the NuLink 1695 has a slower processor than the 3790T? It certainly doesn't seem like it.
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gkassian

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Posted - 27 oct. 2010 :  03:55:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
techguy378, I suspect that it's the software that is slow, not the processor. However slow the processor they managed to put there, it couldn't be slower than the one on 255W. So most likely it's not a hardware problem. Could you simulate some of sample routes above with TrafficTrends on and off? Would be great to have solid numbers to compare with.

Speedlover - thanks a lot for the timing. Looks good, gives me some hope that my unit is actually is an outlier. I assume your times were with NuRoutes off. Can you do "on" as well? I'm measuring from when I click "go" button until it offers to simulate driving the route (gps simulation mode). My understanding is that when you see the screen with "go" button, it starts calculating the route behind the screen. I just click "go" as fast as possible, so there is at most 2 sec delay.Thanks!

Boyd, I am sort of prepared to tolerate such performance from thin and slick 3790. But with the size of 1695... it's almost the size of iPad :)
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 27 oct. 2010 :  04:05:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry gkassian. I gave those times from my 1690 as a comparison reference. I don't have a 1695.

-speedy
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gkassian

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Posted - 27 oct. 2010 :  05:16:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
oh, sorry, my bad, jumped to comparison numbers too quickly. So 1690 is somewhat faster than 255. makes perfect sense. Hopefully someone will post 1695 numbers to compare. thanks!

Edited by - gkassian on 27 oct. 2010 05:17:44
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synomenon

621 Posts

Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  11:29:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Got my 1695 on Tuesday. Nice looking unit, but I haven't had a chance to use it yet. Disappointed though because this first one I received had three stuck pixels on the screen.

Called Dell and they sent me another one overnight. The second 1695 had three stuck pixels as well + one dead pixel.

Very disappointed with Garmin right now. Is their quality control slipping?
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techguy378

USA
21 Posts

Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  11:39:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like Dell isn't the best place to be buying a Garmin GPS unit. My NuLink 1695 came from Amazon and has zero dead pixels. Garmin GPS units don't usually have this problem, it's extremely rare on all of their automotive models.
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synomenon

621 Posts

Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  12:49:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How is it that Dell has sent me two "defective" units. Think Garmin is purposely sending lower quality units to Dell?

I got mine from Dell because I had a gift card / certificate.
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Cret

France
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Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  13:03:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello.

Not sure it's that way! The opposite way makes more (commercial) sense :
"Think Dell is purposely buying lower quality GARMIN's units at lower price"



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NanaimoRick

Canada
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Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  15:49:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IMHO there is no lower or higher quality Garmin units, they are all the same. Sounds more like Dell got a shipment that just happened to have bad screens. This probably happens with lots of products where a particular production run has a specific problem and since the large retailers order big lots they get most of the bad run. Too bad but at least your dealing with a company that will easily replace your unit and if the problem is really wide spread within their inventory, will get it completely replaced ASAP.

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Cret

France
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Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  16:21:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, yes, I think you are right NanaimoRick, it sounds like Dell were unlucky getting a series of units with bad screens. Sure GARMIN will easily replace any defective unit or series of units with a particular production defect. I simply hope that Dell is treating directly with GARMIN, not any obscure intermediary which will have ask any extra subscription or commercial fee for this type of services that Dell never paid for. Who knows? I know distributors in Europe who try to sell returned units as long as the defect is judged as minor as one up to three defective pixels on screen. This has happened many times for laptop or LCD TV sets. A distributor may replace your unit if you complain, but may not put it back in his shop immediately after! In Dell's case, two successive units with the same defect is suspicious. Perhaps is a large retailer as Dell badly or just too poorly organized to correctly redirected ‘returned materials’ back to GARMIN (or the supplier), and some loose ‘bad units’ are going “unfortunately” back again in shops ? Or they buy a set 'second hand' units already removed from distribution line for very cheap, expecting large benefits?[ed]

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gpspassion

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Posted - 29 oct. 2010 :  18:56:48  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Let's not get carried away, I wouldn't read too much into this problem, just have to chalk it up to bad luck, although there does seem to be some quality control slippage at Garmin these days, as the regulars will remember that there was a bad batch of 1690's too when it first came it...and TomTom releasing an unfinished GPS (GO 1000), come to think of it, probably comes down to more pressure to get product out and tighter delays.

Anyway, back to the features of the 1695, thanks for the test routes, will time them on my 3790 too if no one gets to it first.

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gkassian

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Posted - 30 oct. 2010 :  07:57:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
techguy378, how about sample route calculation times on your nearly perfect 1695? I would appreciate it. Plan to have a chat with Garmin support regarding this and other issues, would be helpful to have a benchmark for comparison.
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techguy378

USA
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Posted - 30 oct. 2010 :  09:38:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@gkassian - I was going to do the route calculation with TrafficTrends off but my unit says this will delete all of the historical traffic data it has accumulated so far. I'm not sure I want to do this. Isn't there any way to save the data?
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 30 oct. 2010 :  17:14:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is also something that I don't like about nuRoute. I don't understand why Garmin forces you delete all your history when you disable myTrends.
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gkassian

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Posted - 01 nov. 2010 :  04:44:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
techguy378... can't ask you to delete your data, only if you want to. You can do timing with traffic trends on only, should be good enough.
My gut feeling is that traffic trends data you've accumulated does not affect the routing on your Nuvi and will only matter when it becomes a part of the next map update, but this feeling is not based on any knowledge, only on my perception of Garmin :)
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gkassian

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Posted - 03 nov. 2010 :  02:00:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Spoke to Garmin support. Rep told me that her unit was as slow as mine, but "another guy" in the Rep team have a unit which is much faster and told me that I might think about exchanging the unit.
Apart from this she told me extremely weird stuff about TrafficTrends - will post it in the "traffic trends" discussion.
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 04 nov. 2010 :  22:56:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Application update posted. Only one change noted from 2.1 to 2.3, but the firmware update is about 28 megs. Likely more to it than what was noted in the changelog.

nuLink 1695 (region file only) software version 2.30
as of October 7, 2010

(27.75 MB)

View system requirements

Change History
Changes made from version 2.10 to 2.30:
Fixed a problem with 'Convenience' showing up twice under the Where To > Shopping menu.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  00:47:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Earlier in the thread someone had asked for route calculation times from New York to Boston. Playing around with the 1695 earlier this evening in simulation mode, it computed that route in 42 seconds with nuRoutes/myTrends active. The trick to speeding it up was tapping back to the menu screen as soon as I requested the route. Leaving it on the map screen while building it took much longer, 1 min and 14 seconds. Trying several different route simulations gets the same faster route calculation by simply leaving the map screen while it's building the route. Given these results, it should be easy enough for Garmin make a simple change to speed things up, perhaps disabling the map display when routes are being computed. The moving map appears to be the primary cause of slow route comps with nuRoutes/myTrends/trafficTrends active. Same advice should work with the 37xx's too I would think.

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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  12:24:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gatorguy

Given these results, it should be easy enough for Garmin make a simple change to speed things up, perhaps disabling the map display when routes are being computed.


Gator, get out and drive around a big city, and you'll see why that would be a disaster. You're lost in downtown New York and trying to find your way home. Because of the big buildings, your position "wanders", making the unit think you are off-route even though you're sitting still at a stoplight. The Nuvi will start a long re-calc. Before it's even done, it realizes you are no longer where it thought you were and starts the re-calc all over again. It becomes pretty worthless at this point.

This was a huge problem for me driving around Manhattan with my 3790 - I had to disable nuRoute. Same thing happened to me last night in downtown Philadelphia. They need to speed up calculation times or else just forget nuRoute. If this can't be done due to limits in processor speed, then maybe the software needs to be "smart" enough to automatically disable nuRoute when calculation times pass a certain threshold, or when re-calc's occur constantly within a short time period.

The idea of not showing the moving map is completely unacceptable. If it can't calculate a route fast enough, at least you can SEE where you are on the screen. 40 seconds is a LONG time when you are driving in a downtown area. It pretty much guarantees that you will have already passed the street you were supposed to turn on when the calc began.

Edited by - Boyd on 06 nov. 2010 12:26:19
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  13:23:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Boyd, even my TomTom 740 couldn't keep up with missed turns in a city center. I wasn't posting that as a workaround. It's more than obvious that tapping back to the menu wouldn't be an option (and dangerous) for missed-turn recalculations in thick downtown traffic. I'm simply posting the observation that, for initial route requests, leaving the moving map display speeds things along nicely. That gives me hope that Garmin can offer a simple solution for the longer times required for recalculations. Being able to compute a route from Boston to LA in less than 50 seconds with trafficTrends enabled shows the problem isn't unsolvable. Maybe as simple as tweaking the software to ignore trafficTrends for route recalculations as you suggest.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate

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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  15:47:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Understood, but you suggested that Garmin might fix the problem by disabling the moving map while calculating a route. I would find that completely unacceptable, especially in the situation I described where it's constantly recalculating. When you turn off trafficTrends, of course the Nuvi still struggles to get a good sat lock, but it doesn't churn in an endless loop recalculating at least.

Also, my understanding is that trafficTrends only works on weekdays and only has data for certain times of day. So maybe it wasn't actually being used, depending on when you did your test? I'm not too clear on what the limitations are. It would also surprise me if it considered trafficTrends in LA when you were starting out in Boston. I'd expect it to only look at historical data for areas where you are likely to pass through within a window of time close to your departure.

If you turn off trafficTrends and do the same thing, do you see much difference in route computation time? That might give a clue as to whether it's even using trafficTrends.
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  16:14:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like Garmin must be getting a lot of phone calls about slow calculation times with nuRoute. They just posted the following "fix" on their website.

quote:
Question:
Why Is My Device Calculating Routes Slowly After Installing or Activating TrafficTrends?

Answer:
When the device uses TrafficTrends information to calculate routes you may find that the overall time of the calculation is slightly longer than normal. The reason for this is because the device has to use more information to create the route initially with historical data. If you want to disable this feature you can do so by doing the following:

1. Touch Tools.
2. Touch Settings.
3. Touch My Maps.
4. Touch the Box next to TrafficTrends to untick the box then hold the back arrow to return to the home screen.

With the box not ticked the device will calculate routes in a faster time not using the TrafficTrends data

Last modified on: 11/02/2010


Maybe I'm over-analyzing here, but I find it interesting that they say "after installing or activating trafficTrends". Does that mean they are going to offer it as an upgrade on other models I wonder?...

Edited by - Boyd on 06 nov. 2010 16:15:44
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  16:33:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I computed the Boston to LA last evening. Turning trafficTrends off, it just took my 1695 34 seconds to compute Boston to LA with tap-back to menu. Staying on the map screen took 50 seconds to compute the route, trafficTends still disabled. I'd like to see how these times compare with results from your 3790 if you could, but over in the trafficTrends topic so we don't muddy this thread.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate

Edited by - gatorguy on 06 nov. 2010 16:41:09
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 06 nov. 2010 :  18:49:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Done --> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?whichpage=4&TOPIC_ID=137357&
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gkassian

59 Posts

Posted - 08 nov. 2010 :  04:25:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Took 1695 and 255 on ~1000 mile ride from NYC to Western PA this weekend. Routes and ETA are virtually identical. Very little difference between the two, both give ETA within 5 minutes on a 5 hour drive. Two or three times Traffic Trends kicked in and 1695 tried to be smart, but routes on 255 are better.
Compared traffic information on both units. NuLink seems to have more information than FM traffic. There were many cases where NuLink would show "yellow" (and rarely "red") traffic here and there and FM would not know about it. In all such cases I've seen over the past 3 weeks, these were not real delays, so no real advantage from having connected traffic. Overall, the information I get through FM traffic on 255W seems to be a bit more reliable and useful.(my 255 has both Navteq and TTN subscriptions, so it can be that FM TTN is still better than connected Navteq).


Regarding recalculation times on 1695 - I went to return my unit, but decided to try another one in store. New York to Boston was taking about a minute or less in simulation mode, so I blinked and exchanged instead of returning it. 1 minute compared to 2m30s on my older one is kind of an improvement, but I still have to update firmware from 2.10 so it might kill it.

Route calculation in PA was not a problem with TrafficTrends on, just a bit slower than 255W, but still acceptable. Interestingly, it took it less time to calculate 300-mile route from PA to my home than to recalculate the last 30-mile piece when I took a detour. In total, recalculation took 4 minutes (2 + another 2 to recalculate again because my location has changed). Given highway speed, it makes it about 5 miles of driving without directions.
I still couldn't figure out what the problem is. It could be that it gets slower when it starts using NYC NuLink traffic data. 255 is also a bit slower when traffic information is received.

gatorguy, I've never used TomTom 740, but 930 does not have any problem in NYC. Recalculation times on 930 with IQroutes is approximately the same as on Nuvi 255W. We've been using them side-by-side for two years now. As I've said previously, 930 did initially have problems with slow route calculation.


boyd, the "fix" is beyond imaginable. They should include it in device description when they sell them...

Edited by - gkassian on 08 nov. 2010 04:49:15
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 08 nov. 2010 :  12:12:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 740 takes a minimum of 9 seconds to recalc after a missed turn, slightly slower than the 930. (I owned both)

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate
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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 09 nov. 2010 :  02:23:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Frankly the route calculation speeds for routes where the drive is in the hours really shouldn't be much of a problem for anyone. I rarely drive anywhere more than 80 miles away in general with a couple of places that are 120 miles away.

The problem is the recalc speeds.
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gkassian

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Posted - 09 nov. 2010 :  03:54:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gatorguy, 7 seconds with city speeds is about 300 feet of driving. So, basically, one normally gets updated directions by the time he drives one block. Basically, this means that the unit is fast enough so that you don't miss a turn. We're not quite there yet with 1695

offthegrid, 4 minutes to recalculate a 30-mile route ... I would say there definitely is a problem.
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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 09 nov. 2010 :  04:21:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gator said 40-50 seconds for a Boston to LA route. My 740 took 4 minutes and 40 seconds for that same route which makes the 1695 the equivalent of a Cray supercomputer.

I found the part of your post that states that its 4 minutes for a 30 mile route recalc. I'd agree that the traffic info would be a part of the calculation time at that point but if you had to detour around a closed exit or some such thing thats a problem with the traffic data also not knowing that.
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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 09 nov. 2010 :  15:32:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gkassian

gatorguy, 7 seconds with city speeds is about 300 feet of driving. So, basically, one normally gets updated directions by the time he drives one block. Basically, this means that the unit is fast enough so that you don't miss a turn. We're not quite there yet with 1695



Actually I said minimum 9 seconds on TT740, which I found not quite fast enough to keep up with missed turn recalculations in downtown drives at normal speeds.

Anyway, I haven't had time to check the accuracy of the traffic reports, but the number and range of them certainly exceeds what would be expected from looking at Navteq's coverage map. Just about every heavily traveled highway in my little city of 30,000 is getting reports at some time or another on my 1695. Understood of course that just because an incident is reported doesn't mean it exists. Will post those impressions as I see the results. I do like the potential tho.

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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 10 nov. 2010 :  01:19:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Half of the recalc speed on the 740 is where the gps doesn't know you are off course yet. That would be settled with the newest gps sats coming just down the road.

I went back to 8.371 on the 740 and its a lot faster without the bad lag that 9.whatever was causing. Some recalcs were almost instantaneous today.

Edited by - offthegrid on 10 nov. 2010 02:54:12
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JGinhisSS

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 13 nov. 2010 :  04:20:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thirty day trial run on premium weather info is ending so I tried to renew at myGarmin. My credit card number was already on file. When I chose 1695 from My Devices and hit the Check for Updates button, site said "Device not compatible with nuLink! services." I don't know why I would get that message with the GPS connected to the computer. I was offered free map update that's available until December 14.
I disconnected and found the nuLink! Store in the menus. Found the weather button, typed in myGarmin password and renewal went right through. Recurring charge will be $1.99/month. Safety cameras would be $2.99/month but I don't need that service here. I can say that it did work at one intersection in Pensacola FL that we went through several times in one day.

nuvi 680 - nuvi 500 - nuvi 1690 - nuLink! 1695 - nuvi 3597
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 13 nov. 2010 :  04:47:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any advantage of the Garmin Safety Camera file that is not met in one of the many Safety Camera POI files readily available and updated regularly?


-speedy
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 13 nov. 2010 :  13:10:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Other than it's easier/faster to report new ones using Garmin's feature, and on the 1690/1695 you can receive warnings of mobile speed traps via reports from other users over the SIM connection. Probably not enough connected nuvis here in the US to make a difference yet, but in France they've partnered with Coyote to enlarge the reporting base. I don't know if Garmin's provider has other reporting user sources. While there may be more complete and/or accurate POI files from other providers, I don't know that for a fact. And most other quality red light POI files aren't free either.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate

Edited by - gatorguy on 13 nov. 2010 13:15:32
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speedlever

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 13 nov. 2010 :  13:27:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are a couple of POI sites that I frequent that offer regularly updated POI files. One cost $7 to join and the other you have the option to pay or wait after participating a specified time before they become available to you. I'm sure there are more, but I haven't bothered to look. However, the connected aspect via Garmin sounds like it may have much future potential. And the reporting feature is a plus.

That being said, we don't have any speed cameras in my area presently and all the redlight cameras have been removed due to a dispute over where the money derived from them was supposed to go. (hah!)


-speedy
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 13 nov. 2010 :  14:47:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not having used the speed-camera feature yet on my Garmin (though I did use it on the Lowrance Xog) I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of actually using it for speed cameras, but I can comment on the difference between a connected GPS and non-connected one with this feature.

Theoretically the connected GPS can have much more timely and accurate speed camera data than a non-connected one with its static, occasionally updated, data. I'm not sure that in the US the red-light and speed camera data is updated as religiously as it may be in Europe though.

That being said, here in the US the laws are still favoring the average citizen who's got the legal right to confront his accuser. There are more and more cases where states or cities who have instituted these speed cameras or red-light cameras have had to stop using them and pay huge early termination fees to the contractors who installed them. Far too many drivers seem willing to fight these camera tickets in the courts and have been pretty successful in beating them. This has forced the municipalities to revisit the use of these cameras as voters push to have them removed by getting the question put on the ballots at election time.

I understand that in other parts of the world this is not the case, but we rebel Americans just love to fight perceived injustices. Even in a well-run speed or red-light camera using area, often the only thing that comes from it is money for the contractor and municipality with no real measurable reduction in speed or red-light violations. In fact, the municipalities have been caught adjusting the length of the yellow lights to artificially create more red-light violations and boost their revenue stream. This has often been the legal justification for fighting these robot cameras.

I see their inclusion in modern GPS units as a nice, but not essential, feature. It can be used more effectively as a warning method to keep children safe in school zones which have 15 or 20 MPH speed limits in normally much higher speed zones. It's too easy to miss the school zone when you're in a hurry and I don't believe it's an economic reason we have to worry about for speed in these areas. Hitting a child 'cause you're late for work is not justifiable by any means. A warning from the GPS as you approach a school zone is an excellent feature in my opinion.

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
Massachusetts, USA
Various Iways, nüvi 750
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gkassian

59 Posts

Posted - 16 nov. 2010 :  02:29:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
based on the info I got from CS Rep (he was an adequate guy and he double-checked) one needs to manually download safety camera updates from the website. This seems to be in contrast with FAQ on the website, so I assume that connected aspect of safety cameras have not been rolled out in the US (yet?).
I have "scout information" displayed on my screen and haven't seen a single scout in a month. We don't have a critical mass of users to make it useful (another yet?)

Had 2 days of driving with 1695 in Florida (Orlando -Miami + local streets). Surprisingly, traffic trends worked quite well and computation time was acceptable. This gives some hope.
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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 17 nov. 2010 :  03:41:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry to say my impression is quite the opposite. I have a 3790t and have been road testing a 1695 for the past 5 days. trafficTrends consistently suggests routes that just don't make sense to me (Philadelphia and suburbs). It wants me to leave the main roads and take smaller roads that are highly unlikely to provide any time savings. I am very familiar with this area and just ignore these routes, but the Nuvi prompts me to turn off the main road at virtually every intersection. All the while it is displaying arrival times are are wildly optimistic IMO.

The connected aspect of the 1695 is cool, but the traffic data is very questionable. I did side by side tests with the 3790t and FM traffic. The 1695 was showing more traffic data and seem to be a bit more current, but I just didn't believe what it was telling me. Through 150 miles of testing I completely ignored the traffic related detours (which were often pretty extreme) and had no problems.

Having a connected device isn't very compelling if the quality of the data is questionable. This might very well vary a lot depending on where you are. But I was not sorry to have to return the 1695, and following my testing I've disabled trafficTrends and have no intention of turning it on again. Not interested in purchasing map updates, so I'll be sitting this out and give Garmin a year or two to see if they can realize the potential of a system like this.

As they say, "your mileage may vary"....
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gkassian

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Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  03:24:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have very similar experience in NYC and surrounding areas. My experience so far is that traffic trends are close to being totally inadequate in NYC, offer nothing new in NH, VT and western PA, but, surprisingly, worked quite well in FL.
What I discovered, though, is that POI icons are no longer available in "browse map" mode. This frustrates the hell out of me. It used to be an awesome way to find "the heart" of an unfamiliar city. Just browse the map and find the street with most restaurant and bar icons, go there and pic a place to your liking. And now this is not possible. This still can be proxied by browsing the list of POIs, but visual representation is by far more efficient. Not sure if I am the only one who was using it this way, but I really miss it.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  04:50:05  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Time to join in the fun since I've been testing the 1695 for the past 10 days, mostly side by side with the 3790, let's start off with a picture of the box for those who haven't seen it ;-)



Now that this is out of the ways here are some comments :
  • interface is very close to the one on the 3790, except of course the resolution/screen size mix makes the map rendering look a bit different. The terrain of the 3790 is sorely missed to spruce up the map and give a better sense of the environment.

  • Same "annoying" microUSB on device/miniUSB on car mount combo as on the 3790

  • there is no "sleep" mode like on the 3790 where you can resume where you left off instantly, here you have to go through the whole boot process each time, very annoying when you're used to the way it works on the 3790. I suppose it comes down to the hardware.

  • Google search is "buried" in the POI search, would have been nice to have it on the first page. The Garmin/Google tabs for the POI search are a nice idea though

  • Not much to add to what's already been written about route calculations with trafficTrends activated, not only are the routes "uninspired" here in the SF Bay Area, but the calculation time seems endless and in town there is a lot of "hunting" for recalcs. If I didn't have a 3790 with TT turned off I would have turned it off a long time ago on the 1695

  • Was pleasantly surprised to get some Red Light Camera warnings in Berkeley the other day, looks like the updating is manual, which doesn't make sense for a connected device

  • Connection to the EcorouteHD module has not been stable, with the odd "map freeze" here an there and having to reactivate the connection manually, hopefully the v2.30 I just updated to will fix that

  • Haven't hit any traffic problems so far but the traffic map does indeed seem to be very populated

  • That's all for now, overall a solid device but not terribly "exciting", unlike the 3790 when it came out !

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Boyd

USA
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Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  14:45:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

interface is very close to the one on the 3790, except of course the resolution/screen size mix makes the map rendering look a bit different.


It depends on a variety of things, but actually I was rather surprised how similar the maps look between devices some of the time.






Line weights are heavier on the 1695 because it doesn't have as many pixels. This leads to a cluttered map at some zoom levels in urban areas.

The big difference is that the 3790 does *real* 3d rendering which makes it totally unique among every other product I've seen. You can't really appreciate this with City Navigator, but these shots show it. Notice how everything recedes into the distance on the 3790 and even the text is rendered in perspective. The 1695 - and every other Nuvi - only does "pseudo 3d". Heh, you probably need to be a mapmaker to get especially excited about this.






Also notice how there roads are not labelled on the 1695 in this example. With City Navigator, road labels are pretty consistent with the 3790 (In other words - more than you would see on other recent models). But the example above is a bit different. The 3790 has a much faster CPU (or maybe dedicated 3d graphics engine?). I think the 1695 just can render the road names and also draw the map fast enough while driving. The map in those examples really pushes Garmin's limit for detail.

I found 3790 CPU speed noticeably faster on just about everything in side by side tests with the 1695 - map drawing, route calculation, searches.

But I think your summary is good - solid device that doesn't get me very excited. I suppose it depends on what you're looking for though....

Edited by - Boyd on 18 nov. 2010 14:48:04
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daveo

USA
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Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  18:02:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I keep looking for something to replace my 755 with MSN Direct. I keep hoping that the 169x series will do it, but MSN Direct was on the exciting side with weather radar, etc. My car now has XM traffic, and to be honest, it is not great. I-75 in Cincinnati often is missing traffic info on the section that matters. Nice great big screen, but if the traffic is missing or wrong, it is hard to justify the subscription price. Cheaper to buy a Nuvi with lifetime FM and lifetime maps. Will keep looking. And reading this thread to see if this model becomes more inspiring in the next few months.

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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  19:44:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Daveo, I've been using MSNDirect on my 760 for over two years, and up till now been very happy with it. But my 1695 does show a lot more traffic incidents, and appears to have a lot more highways covered than offered on my MSN. I'll be keeping an eye on it the next couple of weeks, but I've been encouraged so far that the 1695 will be my MSNDirect replacement. Of course it probably helps that I'm in Florida rather than the black hole of Philly where Boyd has problems with any of the connected devices. ;)

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate

Edited by - gatorguy on 18 nov. 2010 19:45:27
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offthegrid

USA
400 Posts

Posted - 18 nov. 2010 :  23:54:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I used to think XM Traffic would be better till I read a blog somewhere that stated since its a sat service the whole country has to be downloaded as opposed to a region.

That's just what I had read though.

quote:
Originally posted by daveo

I keep looking for something to replace my 755 with MSN Direct. I keep hoping that the 169x series will do it, but MSN Direct was on the exciting side with weather radar, etc. My car now has XM traffic, and to be honest, it is not great. I-75 in Cincinnati often is missing traffic info on the section that matters. Nice great big screen, but if the traffic is missing or wrong, it is hard to justify the subscription price. Cheaper to buy a Nuvi with lifetime FM and lifetime maps. Will keep looking. And reading this thread to see if this model becomes more inspiring in the next few months.

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gkassian

59 Posts

Posted - 21 nov. 2010 :  07:53:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After more than a month of driving with this unit I've seen the first scout today! I stopped hoping this will ever happen. Hope it will pick up and we'll actually have real-time traffic info on secondary streets.

On less optimistic side, my friend tried to browse the map today to show me the intersection where wee need to go. He got pissed off after 30 seconds by the erratic and unpredictable behaviour of the touch screen. I've said it before, but selling something like this is a shame and ultimate disrespect for the customers.
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gatorguy

USA
648 Posts

Posted - 21 nov. 2010 :  13:30:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Life-Of-It's-Own map browsing irritates me too. One of the few real complaints I have with the 1695. FWIW, the entire 1xxx series does the same. I'm still holding out hope I discover a trick for taming it. Fortunately I don't need to browse the map very often.

Garmin 1695 / 760 / 255 / Navigon for Android / Navigon 8100T / Garmin Dakota 10 / Geomate
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