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lucvl
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 Posted - 17 juin 2010 : 20:33:07
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Do you know whether alternative routes are shown while planning, like navigon of ecker or mio or so many others?
Or does this remain fixed like before?
Is the planned route shown?
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BAVC10
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 juin 2010 : 01:48:49
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| Yes, you have to press the "Alternate Route" option on the Traffic screen to access the alternate route - no preview or other info just a summary of distance and major road numbers |
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simfan
Belgium
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Posted - 18 juin 2010 : 13:31:19
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I bought the 3790T a week ago in Belgium, Europe.
It has European country maps, deluxe versions with JV, lane assist, 3D ...
With it I bought the DVD CN North America NT 2010.10.
The DVD install went flawless and the Garmin website + plugins worked fine.
I updated the CN NA 2010.10 to 2011.10 on day 2.
The Web/download Update to 2011.10 (only for US/CAN maps, Europe was not necessary because it came with april released 2011.10 maps which seems the latest)
I did not have Mexico, nor Junction View, nor 3D (on the DVD version) and the Web Update procedure did not give me a 'free ticket' for those features either when I updated.
I installed the CN NA DVD version on 2 PC's and that went OK too (but you HAVE to unlock twice, once for each Mapsource install!).
Now some very critical, not objective but personal, thought and observations:
- Until today I always used TomTom (yep, in Europe this is widespread). I did, when travelling across the Atlantic use Garmin (rental cars) on those occasions. Peronally I love both. I honestly can not pick 'the best'... YET the ('handsome') hardware on this new 3790T is wiping TomTom from the board (IMHO). But not software-wise (yet?-but this may be due to my being more used to TomTom).
- The screen is true magic, but my fingerprints like it way too much !
- The gal's computer voice is ... not sexy, too computer-like. The wife hates her already (but she would hate her even more when her voice was inviting I reckon).
- The 3790T is NOT as fast as I anticipated at all. And this is with the US maps on a class 6+ SDHC card (dunno if this makes a difference).
- The add-on/update map activation-scheme, although it worked for me, is very loyal-user hostile (yet I do understand why Garmin and others do it).
- sound/voice with the new extra speaker is VERY good + loud if need be.
- I don't dig the on-nuvi/Garmin route abilities. If I want to plan/simulate routes ahead I have to change my 'location' while in off-line mode. I may miss something here. I'll do it using mapsource for sure (but this won't help for Europe map / Basecamp maybe?) !
- I drove around some with it, but too early to comment much on that.
- Also early to make any none biased 'final' assesment, but if I can maybe help any of you potential buyers ... shoot :) |
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gpspassion
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Posted - 18 juin 2010 : 13:40:58
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Welcome to the forums and thanks for the feedback. Yes, there are pros and cons to all GPS systems ;-)
Can you clarify what you mean by "is NOT as fast as I anticipated at all" ? Interface, map scrolling ? Is it any different than in the videos I posted in the preview on the portal ?
Did you ask Garmin if you could get Mexico, Junction View, or 3D for the North American maps ? They've made JV available for download in the past due to problems with the map updates, maybe you can try that file if it's still available, don't have the link handy but it should be in one of the recent map udpate topics. |
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lucvl
Belgium
65 Posts |
Posted - 18 juin 2010 : 13:56:15
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quote:
Originally posted by simfan
[. shoot :)
Hi,
I am also from Belgium (Boechout), but will continue in English because I don't know whether you read/write ducth.
Can you inform me where you bought the garmin?
I am looking for one to put on my motorbike bcause I believe it has the best contrast of them all. I currently have a Becker crocodile, which has the best software ever (german customized downloaded from the internet)
thanks
best regards
luc |
Samsung Galaxy s3, Garmin 3790t, Becker Z100, BMW R1200GS |
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simfan
Belgium
69 Posts |
Posted - 18 juin 2010 : 14:16:23
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@gpspassion: Thx ! About the speed issue. Having seen a.o. navigation software with GSM's (a.o. HTC HD2 with the new Qualcomm 1GHZ processor) on similar 800x480 screen this is slow(er). I did use maximum detail setting for the 3790T Nuvi maps, this may be the cause for the slower screen refresh/build. It's not slower than what I have seen on video, but still I expected better. Turning map detail down somewhat does help a lot (but I don't like doing such, that's why I bought this 800X480 unit). This is only a minor issue if one zooms in/out on maps a lot.
Note: I did notice, when driving more than plus/minus 60 MPH, I got a thin blue area/line (un-drawn map?) at the screens top.
When I slow down the map returned fully (without undrawn line/area sky? on top). Map being zoomed out at those speeds, wouldn't this be some 'blue sky' being shown (in 3D map perspective). I think I never saw this on other/older Garmins.
I sure am no GPS expert, yet if anyone wants to get some info on this new gadget (or foreign map update procedure) I would be happy to try to answer.
@lucvl: I bought the 3790T @ a 'point2' GPS+biker shop in Kessel-Lo/Leuven, Belgium.
I don't know if I am allowed to put pricing/commercial details here ... all can be found on the shop's website though.
I don't however think it being suited for motorcycle use (but you can ask the shop).
(BTW, lucvl I do speak Dutch, it being my native language)
In general I am pretty satisfied with my new acquisition !
Getting the hang of it already I think I will soon forget about my former TT and MIo's. |
Edited by - simfan on 18 juin 2010 21:04:44 |
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simfan
Belgium
69 Posts |
Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 20:01:57
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MapSource Routing seems NOT to be compatible with the 3790T (Trip feature).
I thought this would be a problem, since I read in the 'manual' (not detailed I dare say) that the (3790T) device can 'read GPX waypoint files'.
No mention of 'Route'.
I had made some 'trips' on my Nuvi (that I assumed to be 'routes') and tried to import those in Mapsource. No joy ! Mapsource claims it can not find 'routes' on my 3790T-nuvi. Nor does it seem to allow for Routes created in MapSource to be saved to the device/SD (at least I can't see the routes in Tools/Trip planner).
I, and what a relief that was, CAN however import and export Waypoints/Favorites between my PC Mapsource CN NA NT 2011.10 map and my 3790T (to be found in Where To/Favorites' after export).
I think that, by the looks of it, I will have to make and maintain those routes (trips by my book) on the Nuvi itself. I was hoping to get those files to the device from Mapsource.
I only saved to SDHC card until now, maybe that's the key to the problem.
On my 4GB SDHC card following DIRs were created under '\garmin': '\GPX' and '\userdata' (userdata.adm).
Strange, is it not ?
Why allowing Favorites/Waypoints import and tracks (yes that works too), but no Routes/trips(?).
Anyway, the manual did NOT say I could import Routes, so it may be by design (or feature to be added later) ?
What am I missing here ? Maybe there is a solution like saving trips in GPX format seperately ? I can't think of a reason Routing would be left out.
But most of all, this is no rant, I just want to inform people for who routing in MapSource and saving to Device would be of #1 importance. I do like the 3790T a lot and it easily beats any GPS system I ever saw. |
Edited by - simfan on 19 juin 2010 20:12:13 |
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janm
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Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 20:55:18
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I'm the new owner of a 3760T since 2 days ago. So these my first impressions are really very brief.
First thing I might need to mention is that I am using it driving taxi in the metropolitan area of Helsinki/Finland. I guess this somewhat alters my preferences and judgments of different features compared with someone primarily using it for more long route travel or holiday oriented navigation.
But on the other hand, I probably really heavily judge the main features of a navigator:
- navigational functionality, nuRoute trends capability
- screen information, readability and brightness in ever changing conditions
- touchscreen, user interface & menues, address entrance speed and accuracy
- ergonomics in differing environments, vehicles
- TMC functionality & usability
- system settings
- Custom POI:s, speed cameras
My previous experiences of navigation are based on 5 years of a variety of PND and in-car systems with both Nawteq and TeleAtlas maps, so this naturally affects my judgements to some extent. Except for a GPSMAP 60CSx which was in terrain oriented use for a year this is my first experience of Garmin products.
So, my first impressions:
- Mixed bag of feelings. Some positive surprises, some disappointments.
POSITIVE:
- The screen; never mind the resolution as it does not really add any significant usability, but the brightness, contrast and readability is superb. And obviously the auto brightness/night and day settings are working so well you don't really even notice them.
- Big, clear, readable fonts
- Surprisingly good ui, menus and good touchscreen keyboard. Really easy and fast operation to tap in the addresses or choose from the lists.
- Easy web based software update process. The unit came with firmware 2.14, which was updated to 2.20 in a snap.
- The vehicle suction cup and cradle seem to be first class, easy to fasten and remove. Same goes for power cord.
- TMC seems to work much better than what I dared to expect. Might show out to be a feature of real practical value. Also the reception seems to be really good in my area at least.
- Good and accurate map and address data.
- Ok, the really slick design. But each and every fingerprint shows out on both screen and back.
NEGATIVE:
- The GPS satellite reception does not seem to be stellar. In one car I had problems finding a spot where the reception would work properly. Seemed it was affected by other electronic devices.
- The routing was not blindingly fast. Might be the nuRoute trends is slowing down the process.
- Disappointing ability to predict movement according to route, if I turned according to the route it still didn't predict the turn very well but got confused and updated it seconds later.
- Few settings alternatives. How to activate the "hidden" logging feature ? Not too informative help feature, didn't really tell me anything regarding the safe mode feature.
- Had to make my own silent voice guidance to get rid of the navigation voice without loosing all warnings like speed camera alerts.
- Safe mode: should probably be called off-road mode or something. When switched off makes routing really slow and inaccurate.
- I managed to get the device looked up, probably because it could not aquire any satellites during the time it was connected to my computer. I could not get it turned on for quite a while and already thought it had broken until it started up again after more than half a hour of tries to power it up.
These are only first impressions. I'll be back later with additional comments ones my experience with the device increases.
By no means is it a bad one. But it's probably not perfect either. Some of my concerns might be fixed with future firmware software updates.
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NanaimoRick
Canada
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Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 21:43:20
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Originally posted by simfan
MapSource Routing seems NOT to be compatible with the 3790T (Trip feature).
I thought this would be a problem, since I read in the 'manual' (not detailed I dare say) that the (3790T) device can 'read GPX waypoint files'.
No mention of 'Route'.
I had made some 'trips' on my Nuvi (that I assumed to be 'routes') and tried to import those in Mapsource. No joy ! Mapsource claims it can not find 'routes' on my 3790T-nuvi. Nor does it seem to allow for Routes created in MapSource to be saved to the device/SD (at least I can't see the routes in Tools/Trip planner).
I, and what a relief that was, CAN however import and export Waypoints/Favorites between my PC Mapsource CN NA NT 2011.10 map and my 3790T (to be found in Where To/Favorites' after export).
I think that, by the looks of it, I will have to make and maintain those routes (trips by my book) on the Nuvi itself. I was hoping to get those files to the device from Mapsource.
I only saved to SDHC card until now, maybe that's the key to the problem.
On my 4GB SDHC card following DIRs were created under '\garmin': '\GPX' and '\userdata' (userdata.adm).
Strange, is it not ?
Why allowing Favorites/Waypoints import and tracks (yes that works too), but no Routes/trips(?).
Anyway, the manual did NOT say I could import Routes, so it may be by design (or feature to be added later) ?
What am I missing here ? Maybe there is a solution like saving trips in GPX format seperately ? I can't think of a reason Routing would be left out.
But most of all, this is no rant, I just want to inform people for who routing in MapSource and saving to Device would be of #1 importance. I do like the 3790T a lot and it easily beats any GPS system I ever saw.
First of all if your just taking 'trips' you are not creating a route. You maybe creating a Trip Log (Tools - Map - Trip Log - Show), which can not be read or used in Mapsource as a Route and can only be created on the Nuvi's internal storage drive. The Trip Log maybe visible in Mapsource as a Track (can't remember) but it will not appear as a Route. Also the trip log will only hold 10000 points so using it for a long trip may not be a good way to record where you have been. Once the 10000 points are used newer data overwrites older points.
You can create a Route on the Nuvi (Tools - Routes - New - Add New Start Point - etc.) and it will be transferable to Mapsource, but in Garmin speak - a route is a preplanned itinerary not something that you create as you travel on a "trip".
As far as using Mapsource created routes on the 3790 is concerned it sounds like it is working exactly as it it does with all other Nuvi models that support multi point routing.
If you create a route in Mapsource and transfer it to the Nuvi or the SD card, you then need to "import the route" before you can see or use it on the device. Once the transfer of the route from Mapsource to the 3790 is complete, disconnect the Nuvi and let it reboot. Then go to Tools - My Data - Import Route(s) and select the route that you have just transferred from Mapsource and tap Import.
Once the import is finished you will be able to go to Where to? - Routes and your Mapsource created route will be listed and selectable.
Also once the route appears under Where to? - Routes you will also be able to transfer it back to Mapsource using the "transfer from device" facility in the software. |
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Edited by - NanaimoRick on 19 juin 2010 22:18:30 |
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simfan
Belgium
69 Posts |
Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 22:16:41
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Thx a lot Rick for anwering !
Unfortunately I do not have the features you mention that are present on other Nuvi devices.
There is no (US American menues) 'Tools - Routes', only 'Tools - Trip Planner' and there is no 'Tools - My Data' either !
I have seen those features in other nuvi GPS devices reviews, but not on the 3790T I own.
I did read about the "import the route" in review(s) before, yet I must miss something, somewhere ?
BTW I have Firmware version (latest according to Garmin website) 2.20, so updating at this time is no option.
This leaves me a bit wondering whether the 3790T is ready for prime time, reading the first quite negative reviews (mine does not count, I'm a newbie really when it comes to GPS systems in general). The US is waiting on this still, so maybe it'll be on the US version (later on?).
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NanaimoRick
Canada
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Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 22:31:54
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| Ok, I give up {:)] I'll have to wait for a US 37xx, as there is something not right about this. |
Rick James - Nuvi Forum Moderator
Nuvi 350 - Nuvi 760 - Nuvi 1695LM - Nuvi 3790LMT (with ecoRoutes HD) - Nuvi 2460LMT - Nuvi 3597LMTHD (with ecoRoutes HD) also TomTom 540S for side by side comparison >> Here <<
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simfan
Belgium
69 Posts |
Posted - 19 juin 2010 : 23:19:20
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Rick, allow me to guess ... I believe not even May 13, 2010 MapSource version may be ready for the 3790T.
Favorites (waypoints as it is called in MS) are easily transferred without having to 'import' these in the 3790T.
Once transferred to the Nuvi or SDHC memory card it is simply there for/under 'Where to - favorites'.
It is NOT for Routes (there does not seem to be any 'Route(s)' option of any kind, just something called 'Trip planner' in Tools (which in my book is *very* similar). I have read some MS manual/docs. From the 3750/3760/3790T the Brief as well as User Manuals in English and a few other language versions of it, but nothing.
Something, Firmware or MapSource may not yet be compatible/ready. AFAIK the 'Trip Planner' is the new 'Route' option (at least on these new models) ! |
Edited by - simfan on 19 juin 2010 23:22:04 |
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NanaimoRick
Canada
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Posted - 20 juin 2010 : 01:10:23
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| You've never needed to 'import' favorites only routes. Favorites simply appear once transferred from Mapsource. Other than that can't comment. |
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Nuvi 350 - Nuvi 760 - Nuvi 1695LM - Nuvi 3790LMT (with ecoRoutes HD) - Nuvi 2460LMT - Nuvi 3597LMTHD (with ecoRoutes HD) also TomTom 540S for side by side comparison >> Here <<
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simfan
Belgium
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Posted - 20 juin 2010 : 10:08:01
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"Trip Planner" appears with the exact same implementation/features in both "Where to" as well as "Tools" section. This is suspicious. Maybe the "Tools" feature of the "Trip Planner" should have been/become of type "My Data - import". Why simply duplicating the same feature in both sections ? Who knows, this might be corrected or changed in a next Firmware update ?
continued : @janm "I managed to get the device locked up". Same happened here. Must indeed have something to do with hooking it up to the computer. Took me about 10 minutes of on/off button clicking to get it to boot.
Your assessment on the receiver sensitivity is also my worry. According to the specs it does not seem any SirF variant (type not specified).
In town it takes 2 minutes to get sufficient signal lock.
janm, do you have 'safe mode' now 'on' or 'off' ?
'on' being default I leave it at that most of the time.
I sure wouldn't understand what Garmin means by their brief description in the Help section either.
By reading some nuvi reviews (and while driving being prevented from handling nuvi's with it set to 'on') I know it is handy to be able to set it to 'off' ... A co-driver can reset destination, so putting it 'off' is necessary. |
Edited by - simfan on 20 juin 2010 12:53:55 |
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lucvl
Belgium
65 Posts |
Posted - 20 juin 2010 : 13:09:59
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Originally posted by simfan
It is NOT for Routes (there does not seem to be any 'Route(s)' option of any kind, just something called 'Trip planner'
Hi, did you try the routeconverter (as in www.routeconverter.de)?
Looks even better than mapsource ;-) |
Samsung Galaxy s3, Garmin 3790t, Becker Z100, BMW R1200GS |
Edited by - lucvl on 20 juin 2010 13:59:25 |
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