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 [TOPIC] Apple iPad 1 and 2 with GPS - User Reviews
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Jim1348

USA
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Posted - 28 janv. 2010 :  05:17:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TOPIC - APPLE IPAD 1 & 2
9.7" Screen - 1024x768 - GPS Hammerhead II Chipset BCM4751 (3G version)

20110311 - iPad 2 available in the USA, first contact at the Apple Store in Palo Alto and first impressions posted on page 3.


iPad 1 launched in 2010


An iPad will be a challenge on the road without the proper mount !

iPad 3G/32 has come in for testing !

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The Apple web page lists "Assisted GPS (Wi-Fi + 3G model)". Do you guys think GPS applications will be popular with the forthcoming Apple iPad? It is going to be too big for many, but perhaps trucks, buses, and motor home drivers would like GPS functionality on a device this big.

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danham

USA
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Posted - 28 janv. 2010 :  14:05:18  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
One clarification. GPS is only included in the models which have both WiFi and 3G data. The plus sign is somehwat ambiguous in the web quote.

My guess is that GPS on this device will be all about location awareness tied to lots of functions but not turn-by-turn road navigation, except for pedestrians. Put another way, Apple wants the iPad to now where =it= is so that content can be tailored to that info.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 29 janv. 2010 :  02:00:06  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, location awareness is going to be a "must" for app developers, but WiFi might be enough, it's down to 100 meters in urban areas.

As for turn by turn navigation, it does seem "challenging" with the 10" screen, but you do have people currently navigating with latops, so ;-)

Going back to the iPad in itself, it's going to be interesting to see how well it does. The hardware is obviously better than it was in 2000 and the "ecosystem" is there, but the concept is not very different from the "Internet Appliances" launched in 2000/2001 with an alternative OS like BeIA or QNX. Actually Microsoft gave it a shot in 2002 with the [ur="http://www.pencomputing.com/frames/mira.html"]Mira[/url] ! None of them generated enough interest to survive.

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John R

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Posted - 29 janv. 2010 :  15:45:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The same vague "Assisted GPS" description is used for the iPhone 3G/3Gs, so I would assume there is at least a GPS chipset and not just WiFi for location. 10 inches seems a bit excessive for most turn by turn navigation, but it would be nice to be able to plan a route on the big screen of the iPad and then send it to the iPhone for in-car use.

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John Roper

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wco81

USA
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Posted - 29 janv. 2010 :  18:46:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It'll be interesting to see if Navigon, TomTom or others update their turn-by-turn apps. to support the iPad.

And maybe even come out with docks to accommodate it.

Some people will try to mount these things in their cars, just watch.

Dragging routes on a big screen with your fingers? Improvement in usability or gimmick?
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John R

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Posted - 29 janv. 2010 :  21:36:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:


Dragging routes on a big screen with your fingers? Improvement in usability or gimmick?



It would certainly be an improvement over dragging routes on a little screen. Plus, a lot more real estate.

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John Roper
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deltatango

Australia
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Posted - 30 janv. 2010 :  03:00:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The ipad is even bigger than the AVMAP EKP-IV http://www.airplanegear.com/avmap-ekp-iv.htm
But it would provide a really nice BIG display for aviation use, if you could get a suitable mount and software. All we need is for a group like these guys http://www.pocketfms.com/ to develop software for the iphone/ipad (they have previously said they wouldn't).

Ohyeah - you would need a proper GPS chip that doesn't rely on cellphone coverage for aviation use too.
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danham

USA
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Posted - 30 janv. 2010 :  03:07:41  Show Profile  Visit danham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't know why this bit of misinformation persists. The chip in the iPad is "real" GPS, not something that relies on WiFi or the cell network (and even that function, which I have on my first gen iPhone, is incorrectly called "triangulation" -- it does no such thing).

Perhaps the source of confusion is that only the 3G cell-radio equipped model will come with GPS. But other than that there is no connection.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 janv. 2010 :  23:35:12  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, shouldn't be any different than the setup on most of the smartphones on the market with a full GPS chip that can get assistance from the network to speed up acquisition but it will work without it.

Now the RF interference of the huge screen should be even worse than what we curently exprience and the GPS antenna will have to be a wire too so accuracy is likely going to be poor, see the iPhone/TomTom Car Kit comparison here : http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=129583&whichpage=2#905658

If the iPad gets jailbroken, maybe the clever RoqyGPS app will work too so you can use any external Bluetooth GPS : http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=132750

Just bumped into this article on cnet : Maps for iPad hands-on. Apparently the "Map" app is a bot refined than on the iPhone as it adds Google's "terrain view". Hopefully that will be added to the iPhone too.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 févr. 2010 :  21:09:21  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Looks like the iPad might be able to host a camera after all...just not right away, according to http://blog.missionrepair.com/2010/02/01/ipad-camera-rumor-becoming-a-reality-we-think-so/


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gpspassion

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Posted - 06 avr. 2010 :  18:15:02  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
iPad pulled apart on iFixit :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F52osxxZvvc&feature=player_embedded
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-Teardown/2183/1

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joshuagaler

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Posted - 19 avr. 2010 :  13:14:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I haven't used it yet. I am fully excited regarding my ipad. I had just ordered it and they said that my ipad is in transit. Regarding GPS I think it will be something totally new with such a big screen.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 avr. 2010 :  12:03:03  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So how do you like it ?

First GPS app for the iPad : ALK CoPilot HD -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134899

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gatorguy

USA
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Posted - 01 mai 2010 :  13:21:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FWIW, TomTom's iPhone app reportedly won't work with the iPad 3G. GPS chipset not recognized. But Mobile Navigator does. Strange.

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wco81

USA
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Posted - 01 mai 2010 :  15:48:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Someone is going to have to make a mount/cradle.

CoPilot HD screens don't look that imaginative, like side by side 2D and 3D screens.

If the pinch-zooming and scrolling is as smooth as the built-in Maps app., then the turn-by-turn apps. just need to show a big map to fill the bigger screen that is highly interactive.

You could preview your trips better in that scenario, than you could on a standard PND with a 3 or 4 inch screen, where the zooming and scrolling was awkward.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 01 mai 2010 :  17:34:47  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Please post your comments on ALK CoPilot HD in its topic linked above, thanks.

@gatorguy - odd indeed since the GPS setup is apparently identical, must be software related.

In other news, the iPad 3G with GPS pulled apart here : http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-3G-Teardown/2374/1


Decent sized GPS antenna de bonne taille, this should help with GPS performance and overcome the RF interference of the screen : http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/CV4kNDZfhnsR44Zj.large



Comunication module identical to the one in the iPhone 3Gs with the BCM4750 - Single-Chip AGPS Solution for the GPS part.

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