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Posted - 07 août 2009 :  03:21:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UPDATED 20110621 : New version announced, "CoPilot Live Premium", see details on page 2.
UPDATED 20100323 : Version available with Google Local and Traffic Option, see details below.

UPDATED 20090815 - CoPilot Live is now available in North America for $34, likely with the proprietary ALK maps as all the other CoPilot based navigation systems since they were first launched in the early 00's. As seen in the various reviews on the portal over the years, these maps have some weak spots (the occasional non-connected roads) but are reliable overall.

UK and Europe only apps released to app store at a price of £25.99/£60. No indication yet of more extensive geo coverage. You can find it here:

North America



Features include:
- Full spoken turn-by-turn voice directions
- Detailed street maps of UK and Ireland with full UK post codes stored on your iPhone
- Clear 3D and 2D driving views with SmartZoom™ speed-variable zoom and street names
- Navigate to a house number, street, intersection or address book contact
- Automatic portrait and landscape display switching
- Comprehensive multi-stop pre-trip planning and preview
- Route optimizer works out the best way around multiple stops
- Intelligent navigation provides guidance in tunnels and underpasses
- Automatic day/night mode
- Navigate to thousands of Points of Interest
- Lane indicator & CoPilot ClearTurn™ provides a more realistic view of motorway exits and junctions
- Real Signpost display matches real-life signs
- LiveLink™ location sharing and messaging: keep track of your CoPilot friends, live on-screen!
- Live 5 day weather forecast for your location or destination
- Roadside Assistance helps you contact your breakdown company and tell them your location
- Huge range of customization features to suit the way you travel
- Customized trip status displays, including eta, distance remaining and more
... and much more

Edited by - way on 16 août 2009 12:34:41



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Posted - 07 août 2009 :  20:37:45  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, the more, the merrier ! Didn't know Europe was already available, it was UK only yesterday.

As with the other iPhone apps the question is how well it will deal with the weak GPS positionning of the iPhone, Sygic for instance does well, Navigon not so much.

What's new here are the Live services, which makes sense for a connected device like the iPhone, that really is a big letdown for the other GPS apps so far. No traffic though which is the type of "live" info we really need.

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Posted - 15 août 2009 :  08:19:50  Show Profile  Visit klopus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Perhaps title of this thread should be updated. Since Aug 13 CoPilot Live NA is also available on iTunes for relatively miserly $34.00 and it even includes TTS.

So far whole lot of 18 reviews are rather positive. Page also lists future "updates" which seem more like euphemism for bug fixes: QWERTY keyboard (now ABCD keyboard), "Improved GPS performance" (probably now it sucks), "Smart call handling" (probably now it can't recover correctly from the call), "Improved initial activation" (either long satellite acquisition or bugs in map activation), "Dial a POI" (weak iPhone integration). Sorry for being cynical :) On a bright side real-time traffic is coming but only as "Premium extra" (more money I guess).

Anybody knows if CoPilot normally uses Navteq or TeleAtlas for NA?

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Posted - 15 août 2009 :  10:31:29  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Maps are likely the proprietary ALK maps as on all the other CoPilot based navigation systems in North America since they were first launched in the early 00's. As seen in the various reviews on the portal over the years, these maps have some weak spots (the occasional non-connected roads) but are reliable overall.

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Posted - 15 août 2009 :  13:49:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think some apps can use the triangulation data, and thus similar to the Map app (on iPhone factory), and others cannot. I don't know what the difference is for developers in terms of the 2 kinds of data though. So those apps that don't use the triangulation data, must wait for the GPS receiver to get a true fix, but the iPhone probably has a tiny GPS antenna, and that is not helping.

(iPhone 3G / 3GS uses both WiFi and cellular towers for triangulation, not just cellular).

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Posted - 15 août 2009 :  17:02:00  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure what you're replying to, but yes iPhone apps using the location engine can get a position from triangulation, but you can't navigate with that, it's just coarse positionning that can come in handy to locate a nearby point of interest.

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Posted - 28 août 2009 :  18:28:40  Show Profile  Visit SwissFreek's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I thought in the not-too-distant past that ALK used Navteq in Europe but uses proprietary maps in the US, hence the lacking features on the US version such as lane guidance and realistic road signs, which are found on the European version. I think when CoPilot 7 was the current version, their website used to list in the details of the maps that the US version was ALK maps, but the European version was Navteq.

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Posted - 28 août 2009 :  20:40:47  Show Profile  Visit klopus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think CoPilot brag on their site that EU maps are Navteq but are mum about origin of their US maps. Judging by prevailing negative reviews on iTunes about CoPilot US map quality I doubt they use Navteq. Otherwise for $35 CoPilot would've been no brainer.

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Posted - 29 août 2009 :  14:15:54  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, like I wrote above, no reason to think they've stopped using their proprietary maps in the US.

I was just sent a test version of the European version and so far I like what I'm seeing, it's the first iPhone GPS app that has all the features of the Windows Mobile version out of the box, including some "connected services" (upddating your position on a website, messaging with another unit or with someone on a web browser), but traffic is greyed out for now.

Here are few screenshots :

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Posted - 19 sept. 2009 :  18:47:31  Show Profile  Visit klopus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
With live traffic CoPilot beat everybody including Navigon to the punch with immediate availability yesterday Sept 19. ALK just announced Premium Services across all regions for $19.99 per year. To be fair one time Navigon's fee seems to be lifetime (whatever this means). Besides other goodies CoPilot's Premium Services also include live POI search (something Navigon didn't announce) and I believe custom POIs. To top it off they promised free quarterly map updates and web page for users to enter their own map corrections. And CoPilot is still $35. Here's the link:

Granted in US, as opposed to EU, CoPilot has quite a few bad reviews on the AppStore mainly due to dismal maps which as I understand aren't Navteq or TeleAtlas sourced. Quite a paradox that CoPilot has inferior maps in US considering that they are located in Princeton, New Jersey.

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Posted - 19 sept. 2009 :  18:51:50  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for reposting here.

It's a bit ironic they would mention the map updates if they are getting panned for the poor quality of their "in house" maps. I think they should switch to Navteq in the US since they already use them in Europe. They've had a good run with their maps, in fact they were the first to have detailed coverage in the US as early as 2001, but I don't think they have the ressoures to compete with Navteq or TeleAtlas these days.

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Posted - 17 oct. 2009 :  05:15:44  Show Profile  Visit SwissFreek's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The new update with TTS is quite nice. I don't really have any complaints about the map quality. TTS works nicely, and for some reason, every now and then I see road sign alerts at the top of the screen. It only happened on the New Jersey Turnpike that I noticed (guess that makes sense if they are from Princeton).

One thing I've noticed, though, is that with the latest update, when I get a route set up, at the bottom of the screen, where it would show the ETA, it has the little progress bar that says "Calculating Route", despite the fact that the route is calculated and displayed on the map, and it alerts and displays upcoming turns and such. So it's done calculating, but the progress bar doesn't go away. Anyone else having this problem?

I'm also curious how much better all these apps are on a 3GS vs my 3G. So far I've tried a few, and by and large they work, but none of them really work well enough to make me want to use the iPhone as my primary nav device. There's lots of crashes and other quirks involved for me. That and the headache of actually getting the apps onto the device. It usually takes me two or three tries to get the app to install, and when I update, I usually have to delete the application first, and then reinstall it from scratch, or the iPhone will think it doesn't have enough space, or the transfer crashes.

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Posted - 17 oct. 2009 :  16:12:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SwissFreek, I wonder if you have an iPhone problem. I have no crashes with any of the software i've tried and no problem with adding, deleting or updating any app, including the GPS ones. I'm running a 3G.

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Posted - 27 nov. 2009 :  16:08:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For anyone interested the Co-Pilot app is now at $19.99.
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Posted - 11 janv. 2010 :  04:09:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maps in the US are very much out of date. I am purchasing a 5 year old home but the entire neighborhood is missing from Copilot. I posted the error on their website and received an email that said the update would be out within 45 days. It's now been 4 months, they've released two map "updates" and still the community is missing.

Not worth the money I spent on it.
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Posted - 23 mars 2010 :  21:17:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CoPilot Live for the iPhone has recently been updated to version I downloaded and installed it yesterday for primary use in Canada. I have previously used many stand-alone units and 3 different flavours for Windows Mobile. Currently running Garmin Mobile XT on an HTC Fuze.

Once I have had a chance to play around a bit with CoPilot Live I will post my impressions and try to answer any questions you might have. My initial impression is good so far as it is perhaps one of the most customizable nav programs I have used. Because of this, I have heard there are some that believe the menu system is too complicated. Personally, I prefer that it is highly customizable and once you learn the menu system, it should be no problem.

What I like so far:
1) program starts and obtains signal lock quickly (approx. 10 seconds)
2) menu and interface is fast (no lag)
3) more customization then anything else I have used to date
4) built-in ipod interface is very good
5) music volume lowers when directions spoken then increases again
6) program auto re-starts and resumes after a phone call
7) routing appears to be pretty good (where I have tried it so far)
8) shows route list that you can manipulate if necessary
9) auto-calculate route with more than 3 stops
10) detour complete route or individual roads
11) live search and weather included in base program
12) live traffic and gas prices available for $20/yr
13) base price for US & Canada is very good ($35 CAD)
14) when destination is reached, option to save or return to origin
15) TTS advises if destination is on right or left
16) shows next 2 turns on screen
17) very fast re-routing when missing a turn
18) routing via contacts is excellent

What I dislike so far:
1) screen is a little busy (but has a full-screen button)
2) only one TTS voice (Frank)
3) voice hard to hear from iPhone speaker if you have music on (but good if you plug it in to your car stereo with 3.5 mm cable)
4) accuracy sometimes jumps around a bit (more to do with GPS chip than the software)
5) due to above, sometimes when you reach your destination, it does not automatically "reset" or cancel that route (but I'm sure it's something I'm missing in the menu)
6) Quick Stop feature doesn't seem to work (see below)

Anyway, I will continue to experiment with it and update this when I learn more. In the meantime, I will try to answer any questions you might have.

Also, as a side note, the primary reason I bought this program is to use in rental cars when I travel. And for this reason I will most likely be ordering the Magellen Car Kit sometime in the near future. Therefore, I would expect that any issues to due with accuracy will improve when using the car kit.

Update: Tried a couple more things while I was out at lunch. Routing via Contacts on your iPhone appears to be excellent. I only tried about 10 while I was out but it is fast. When you click on the Contacts icon, a new window opens with a text box at the top, a partial list of your first 4-5 contacts and a keyboard in the bottom 2/3 of the screen. You can either scroll through the list on the right with your finger or start typing letters into the text box. As you type, the list on the right changes based on the letters you type. Once your contact is located, just click on it and a new screen opens with the contact details (name, address, phone number). Then just click the Go button and the route is calculated.

Note: The manual says, "You may need to enter the city, street name and house number of your contact if CoPilot Live doesn not recognize the address).

However, the first 10 I tried worked without a problem. I have heard of others having problems but I suspect it may be the way the information is formatted. I have over 3,000 contacts on my iPhone and they are all synced from Outlook to MobileMe and then to my phone.

On the downside, I tried the Quick Stop feature and it did not want to work. The Quick Stop feature is used when you already have a route programmed in but want to stop en route for gas or food etc. You tap the Quick Stop button then select what you are looking for and the app is supposed to do a local live search of say all the gas stations near you. You can then view it as a list or in a map view to select which one you want. Unfortunately, once I had selected Gas Stations, the list screen appeared but there was nothing in the list but a rotating set of dots which appeared to be searching. Sometimes if I left it long enough, a window would pop up and say "Nothing Was Found" and another time it actually crashed the application altogether. I will check with support on this.

You can add another stop though by clicking on the Plan or Edit Trip Button, then Add Stop, then select POI etc. but this is a few more steps.


The Quick Stop feature is now working for me. I'm not sure what happened but when I tried it this morning, it worked fine. I did use Live Local Search before trying it again so perhaps that cleared the cobwebs.

I am still wrestling with the completed route situation though. Once you have arrived at your destination and the voice announces this, a window pops up and gives you 2 options. The first is to return to your original starting point and the second is to enter a new destination. However, if you do not want to do either of these and just close the window, your original destination stays programmed in and as you drive away it tries to get you to go back to the point you just left. The only way I have found to eliminate this is to physically go into Menu -> Plan/Edit Trip -> Clear.

I am not sure if this is another affect of the not so stable GPS signal though because once you have arrived at your destination and even after the voice announces it, your vehicle location appears to be several feet away from the destination flag. Perhaps this is the reason the the route is not automatically cleared.

On the positive side, and perhaps one of the more compelling reasons I decided to purchase this program, is frequent map/program updates...for free. Here is an excerpt from the app store description:

"Our exclusive MapSure™ service provides free monthly map improvement downloads directly to your iPhone and free quarterly full map updates of the US and Canada (Details on how to report a map update below)"

"*****REPORT A MAP UPDATE: We are continuously working to enhance ALK’s Digital Maps™ to provide the best possible navigation experience. You can help us improve specific areas more quickly by reporting changes and recommending updates here:
We commit to verify reported map improvements and add them to your map within 45 days."

I realize there has been a lot of criticism from people saying that they shouldn't have to assist the company in providing a better should already be there when they buy it, however, these are usually the same people that complain that companies don't listen to their customers. Personally, I think MapSure is a great part of ALK's company service and I welcome the opportunity to participate in providing new information for a better product.

And lastly, here are the items that have been rolled out in the latest CoPilot Live for iPhone update:

What's New in Version

#9658; Local Search as standard. With integrated local Internet search you can easily find the nearest product, service, brand, store or just about anything you need.

#9658; Full updated street maps of the US and Canada.

#9658; Lane Assist & ClearTurn™ for improved guidance and a more realistic display at complex intersections.

#9658; Update your Facebook status. Now you can share your journey with your friends with in-app Facebook status updates, including where you are, where you are going and even what you’re listening to.

#9658; Adjustable volume settings. One of our most requested features, now you can choose to mute or dim music during voice directions.

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