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Team GpsPasSion

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Posted - 23 janv. 2009 :  20:35:15  Show Profile  Visit Team GpsPasSion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
REVIEWS - LOWRANCE ENDURA HANDHELDS
Touchscreen - Hardware Buttons - 42 channel GPS Chipset - Accuterra Maps


Picture taken at the Endura Press Event on June 4th in Windermere, UK, in the Lake District

I was invited to take part in the European press launch of the new Lowrance Endura handhelds on June 4th in Windermere, UK, in the Lake District. While there is still some work being done on the devices, both hardware and software (like having "Track Up" for Raster Maps), they were already quite functional, so much so that we used them on the sporting/geocaching event that had been organized for us.


Picture by Anthony Nicolazzi who was on the same canoe ;-)

It started out with some canoeing across the lake, then a hike and then a mountain bike ride ! We had been equipped with the high end Sierra model and we were able to track ourselves on the topo and satellite maps, as well as create routes for the mountain bike section. That took some getting used to, but it's quite effective once you have the hang of it. For instance you can add new waypoints directly from the route creation mode, you don't have to create them before hand as you do on the Oregon. On the topic of waypoints it's handy to be able to record a voice memo to give a full description for later review.

Having Navteq fully routable road maps pre-loaded is quite handy too, another first on a handheld system after the satellite maps by Accuterra.


Picture by Anthony Nicolazzi

I had my Garmin Oregon 300 on hand loaded with the UK Topo Maps (not GB Discoverer) and they had little more than contour lines (very few trails for instance). While the Endura has a smaller screen, it catches the light better even though it is also a touchscreen and the hardware buttons will help when you have to use gloves.

I'll reserve judgement until the shipping software is available, but I quite liked what I saw (satellite and navteq road maps, form factor, route creation, voice memo capability, etc...) and it's good to see some competition on this promising market.


After exiting the market for GPS road systems late last year, Lowrance are back with the new Endura family of handheld systems that includes three models at launch : the Outback, the Safari and the Sierra with respective MSRPs of $230, $385 and $549.

They share the same form factor and a touchscreen, a feature that now seems a must on handhelds after it was first introduced on the Magellan Triton and they adopted by Garmin for the Oregon. The Safari adds a compass and a barometer, and the Sierra comes with 4Gb of internal memory loaded with topo and Navteq road maps. Technical details haven't been announced but it's likely they are using an integrated platform as Garmin is for the Oregon with the STM Cartesio

Questions, comments ?
Original post by rwamf : I know that these are not Iways, but the new Sierra will do Auto Routing. That new Sierra looks like it is going to be bad ass, 4 gig internal memory and accepts micro SDHC up 32gig. accepts GPX file from the card, and if they are like past Lowrance's it will not limit you to a measly 20 tracks at 500 points each like the Garmins.
Accuterra™ high-resolution topographic maps , extensive outdoor trails and POIs, as well as NAVTEQ® road network for contiguous 48 states too:clap with Auto Routing
Buttons and touch screen way cool.
Video Player? ..... I see, now I can watch motorcycle shows while I wait for my buddies to catch up, okay I like that too.
Built in speaker and a headphone jack,, Records and plays back voice notes to waypoints, finally.

But not out till may, Bummer

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gpspassion

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Posted - 23 janv. 2009 :  20:42:17  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes I was going to post a news time about these, we might as well use this section, it will just need some renaming down the road.


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davisdrafting

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Posted - 11 juin 2009 :  09:18:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the pic’s the map looks really cheesy. I’m interested in purchasing a GPS in the next few days. I think the Endura Out&Back might be the one. Could someone send some screen shots of the TOPO map that’s on the Out&Back in various zoom levels,preferably of this area so I can reference it to other GPS maps. or a link where I could see or demo the base map.


<iframe width="300" height="300" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=p&ll=40.064344,-121.707487&spn=0.019706,0.025749&z=14&output=embed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=p&ll=40.064344,-121.707487&spn=0.019706,0.025749&z=14&source=embed" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>





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gpspassion

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Posted - 11 juin 2009 :  11:35:13  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That code is not working, use the "send link" feature of Google Maps and put it through tinyurl.

As for being "cheesy", not sure what you mean. I was in the UK last week for the European launch of the Endura and the maps looked ok to me. They had loaded the UK topo maps and some satellite maps too, accuterra possibly, and the basemaps were Navteq road maps. The raster maps don't have "track up" yet, only North Up, it's something they're working on.

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 11 juin 2009 :  13:11:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As far as I know, the Endura line is still vaporware at the moment. The global economic downturn may be contributing to its late arrival and slow development. Most e-tailers are showing it as either 'backorder' or 'available 2nd quarter of 09'. One shows it as available after June 16 and a few show it as available. It's pretty hit-or-miss.

The maps on the Sierra model are supposed to the most detailed of any handheld GPS ever. They're Accuterra™ high-resolution topographic maps and are supposed to be much better than the downloadable eTopo or BLM maps available for the XOG. Less expensive Endura models have progressively less-detailed maps, possibly from different (cheaper) map providers, but are listed as hill-shaded topo so will still be better than Lowrance's other base-map topo products. NavTeq maps appear to be installed on the Endura Safari and Sierra but actual turn-by-turn navigation is only available through a separate on-line purchase which enables it through a code key.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 11 juin 2009 :  13:19:19  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Er...no, not vaporware, at least not in the sense that they don't exist, like I said I was at the European launch last week and they're looking at a june/july timeframe for the release, Sierra seen here next to my Garmin Oregon on a canoe outing ;-)
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davisdrafting

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Posted - 11 juin 2009 :  20:50:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did use the send link button. This is all that’s needed anyways 40.064344, -121.707487

“Cheesy” Well just look at all the pic’s of the map on out&back (yellow one) Form the specifications on Lowrance, the Out&Back and
Safari should be the same mapping. I think they just chose a bad display for the display pic’s.

Funny how a bad display pic can make or break a purchase, had they put the picture of the map on the Safari on the Out&Back,I would have it on order already. LoL

As for the Sierra, the only reason I would buy it
is for the better base map but not worth the extra $$$
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davisdrafting

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Posted - 12 juin 2009 :  21:14:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmm whats wrong with this email I receved from TigerGPS..

“Thank you for your recent email. The Endura is projected to be received by us on 06/17/09. This is the tentative date given to us by Garmin.
Thank you
Melissa
Tiger GPS”
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gpspassion

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Posted - 12 juin 2009 :  22:29:42  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Guess they need to adjust to the new players on the market ;-) Anyway it seems it's coming soon !

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 14 juin 2009 :  14:58:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am very interested in seeing one of these Enduras as I am poised to make a handheld GPS purchase to replace my dead iFinder. I have been putting off buying one for about a month now. The Endura line looks to offer almost everything I want in a GPS for fishing from my small boat, except that it does not appear to float. Few do, but the other features are my primary buying reasons. I just wish Lowrance would offer more information as they have missed their own availability timelines.

The other GPS I am considering is the Garmin GPSMAP 76CSx, but that thing is several years old and I would like to get the most up to date features that the Lowrance is offering.

gpspassion - you seem to have used one. Any more review type info you can share?
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 14 juin 2009 :  16:26:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You may have to remain poised a little longer. It appears (from outside - I have no inside info) that Lowrance is holding back on shipping them for some reason, probably technical. Not too surprising since this will be the most powerful, feature-rich GPS they've ever made - all stuffed into a handheld form-factor.

Give it some time...

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gpspassion

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Posted - 14 juin 2009 :  16:29:19  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes there were quite a few important features missing on the units we used last week in the Lake District, like track up for the raster maps (works ok with vector maps though). I'll wait for the shipping software to pass judgement as well, but I quite liked what I saw and experienced, the ability to use both a touchscreen and buttons is convenient, as opposed to the Garmin 60Csx that only has buttons or the Garmin Oregon that has none.

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 14 juin 2009 :  16:50:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We know it's technically possible to rotate the map for track-up display as well as for 3-D because the XOG currently does this already.

It's likely to be a simple lack of time on the programmer's and beta-tester's parts that's delaying it. Remember, Lowrance has been hit hard by the global economic slowdown and their cancellation of all automotive GPS products. I suppose they may have lost some people which would, of course, slow down their software development and testing cycle. When they finally DO hit the user's hands, they'll likely still contain tons of bugs which will be fixed down the road.

Anyone remember the 500c? It came out with so many updates that for a time Lowrance appeared to have lost touch with what upgrades required what maps etc. We had all sorts of problems with those in the early release timeframe up through the final software release nearly 4 years later.

That's not to say the Endura will be a bad product - just that it likely is being held back till it at least 'works' somewhat acceptably. Don't expect perfection in a first-release of the product's hardware/software. Be glad they're holding back to get it as good as possible before release.

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 15 juin 2009 :  14:43:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anybody have thoughts on the first retailers to get their shipments? I'd liek to know so that I do not atetmpt to buy from a small place that isn't up front with their in-stock availability.
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bcope01

USA
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Posted - 15 juin 2009 :  16:34:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wahoowad, here is an online high volume vendor I've dealt with that keeps up with release dates. At the bottom of the page is a contact link. Give them a call.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 16 juin 2009 :  01:50:27  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@ST-Bob - All good points, what's surprising/disappointing is that I've been trying to make contact with the organizers of the Lowrance event in the Lake District to send some feedback and can't seem to get a reply from them...can't rule out an email problem of course.
Added to the first message :

PREVIEW - LOWRANCE ENDURA HANDHELDS
Touchscreen - Hardware Buttons - 42 channel GPS Chipset - Accuterra Maps


Picture taken at the Endura Press Event on June 4th in Windermere, UK, in the Lake District

I was invited to take part in the European press launch of the new Lowrance Endura handhelds on June 4th in Windermere, UK, in the Lake District. While there is still some work being done on the devices, both hardware and software (like having "Track Up" for Raster Maps), they were already quite functional, so much so that we used them on the sporting/geocaching event that had been organized for us.


Picture by Anthony Nicolazzi who was on the same canoe ;-)

It started out with some canoeing across the lake, then a hike and then a mountain bike ride ! We had been equipped with the high end Sierra model and we were able to track ourselves on the topo and satellite maps, as well as create routes for the mountain bike section. That took some getting used to, but it's quite effective once you have the hang of it. For instance you can add new waypoints directly from the route creation mode, you don't have to create them before hand as you do on the Oregon. On the topic of waypoints it's handy to be able to record a voice memo to give a full description for later review.

Having Navteq fully routable road maps pre-loaded is quite handy too, another first on a handheld system after the satellite maps by Accuterra.


Picture by Anthony Nicolazzi

I had my Garmin Oregon 300 on hand loaded with the UK Topo Maps (not GB Discoverer) and they had little more than contour lines (very few trails for instance). While the Endura has a smaller screen, it catches the light better even though it is also a touchscreen and the hardware buttons will help when you have to use gloves.

I'll reserve judgement until the shipping software is available, but I quite liked what I saw (satellite and navteq road maps, form factor, route creation, voice memo capability, etc...) and it's good to see some competition on this promising market.

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 23 juin 2009 :  02:12:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi folks! Any more news as to the availability of the Endura? Any ideas of the first places that will get them in stock?
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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 26 juin 2009 :  19:50:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I checked in with an online retailer. Was told delivery is now expected "end of July."

Delivery seems to change about 2 weeks in advance of every new proposed delivery date. As much as I would like one the last minute delays suggest deeper problem with their internal development and quality control processes.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 26 juin 2009 :  20:04:48  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No fresh news here either, dates are indeed slipping, but if anything that would show that quality control is working, i.e. not allowing for the release of an "unfinished" product ;-)

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 26 juin 2009 :  20:12:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, we've had enough of "unfinished" products... I'd wait if I were you. It's supposed to be a fantastic product with the best topo maps in the undustry for off-road use. All these super-duper widgets take time to develop and debug though.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 06 juil. 2009 :  12:26:04  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No news on the device front but here is a video of the June meeting that was put together by Lowrance : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a-qjPoJSTs ;-)

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Ray Canuck

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Posted - 23 juil. 2009 :  19:48:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had ordered the Sierra in February and am OK waiting....
One question for anyone that cares to answer
This will be my 1st GPS, I am an avid backcountry horseback rider & skier and live in the mountains of BC Canada. Usually spending days at a time in very remote areas.
Some have posted to expect glitches with the 1st units to hit the market, will there be updates available once the issues have been addressed? I'm assuming they'd all be software problems.
Is this unit something a newbie like myself should even consider?
Any advise on which is the best map of the southern BC interior that I should consider for the Sierra?

thanks in advance for any advice you may have to offer....

Ray

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 24 juil. 2009 :  02:55:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lowrance has always been very good about keeping software (as opposed to maps) updated and downloadable for free on their web site. I wouldn't be too concerned as long as you can get to a PC with Internet access from time to time and check for updates.

When I say "as opposed to maps" I mean that many people consider maps as "software" while Lowrance does not. Maps updates are large and require huge chunks of bandwidth. Traditionally, GPS manufacturers sell map updates on CD, DVD, SD cards etc... Lowrance offers free "software" updates for many years after products are no longer "new" anymore.

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 27 juil. 2009 :  18:39:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Given the extended and repeated delivery delays by Lowrance I'm expecting a bug free unit

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 28 juil. 2009 :  01:14:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good luck with that

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Ray Canuck

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Posted - 04 août 2009 :  01:43:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So here we are in August...
any news on a release date?
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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 05 août 2009 :  00:34:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've heard of one person who bought an Out&Back model at a BassPro store. I keep checking online everywhere and don't see a Sierra model available yet
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JimC

USA
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Posted - 05 août 2009 :  19:38:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Amazon has the Sierra available today (8/5/09) from a separate vendor for $486.

JimC

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 07 août 2009 :  03:32:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not so sure I trust that no-name small time retailer on Amazon when none of the major retailers have it yet. I bet gizmosforlife is hoping they come out real quick and taking folks orders.
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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 07 août 2009 :  23:02:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Numerous websites now have these for sale! Finally! I just bought a Sierra and hope to have it by Wednesday.

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JimC

USA
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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  03:39:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wahoowad

Numerous websites now have these for sale! Finally! I just bought a Sierra and hope to have it by Wednesday.



If you would have ordered it from Amazon on the 5th like I did you would have had it today like I do.

Initial reactions; if you thought the Oregon screen was hard to read you will be dissappointed in the Endura it's worse. The owners manual is typical Lowrance, a description of what you see on the screen. I have the Sierra and the maps look nothing like the topo maps advertised with the Sierra. I cannot make any changes to the routing options they are all greyed out on the menu, the only routing the unit will do is straight line point to point.

I just looked at the Lowrance website and apparently the turn by turn routing is a purchased upgrade!!!! I guess I shouldn't have assumed that a $550 hand held GPS would have included turn by turn routing like every other GPS in it price catagory. Off to a rocky start.


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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  07:12:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim, you should have read the product information more closely BEFORE you ASSumed it had TBT routing. Lowrance is out of the automotive GPS market and the Endura line is 3 different hand-held hunting units with OPTIONAL turn by turn routing on the top 2.

Sour grapes about your poor reading comprehension or lack of research will not gain you any sympathy here. We all knew (or I assume we all did) that the TBT routing was optional. Let us know how much it's gonna cost, will ya?

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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  15:36:41  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I was under the impression the Sierra came with Navteq maps though, maybe that's Europe only...actually, no, looking at http://www.lowrance.com/en/Products/Outdoors/Endura-Sierra/ they do state "as well as NAVTEQ® road network for contiguous 48 states" so it's probably just a matter of switching to the Navteq maps to get access to "turn by turn" routing.

As for screen legibility vs the Oregon I don't agree, I had both of them side by side in the direct sun and the Sierra was clearly more readable, probably because it doesn't have the "matte" protective layer.

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  15:39:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You must purchase an unlock code from Lowrance to enable turn-by-turn routing on the Sierra. It's buried somewhere in the specifications that turn-by-turn navigation is a separately purchased option, not a standard feature.
quote:
The pre-loaded content includes Intermap’s AccuterraTM high-resolution topographic maps, extensive outdoor trail networks and Points of Interest, as well as the NAVTEQ® road network for the contiguous 48 states with an upgrade option for full-featured turn-by-turn navigation.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  16:10:45  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Good catch, unexpected since this is the first time I see a GPS pre-loaded with Navteq maps that doesn't autoroute, but it is indeed listed just below as "Optional full-featured turn-by-turn navigation", wonder if what I saw on my test unit is a "non full-featured" turn by turn navigation (maybe without TTS ?) or if they activated "full-featured" TBT without telling us...don't have it with me to check though.

Anyway with the far superior road guidance features of a $100 TomTom or Garmin AIO I don't see this as a huge problem. I guess Lowrance were able to bundle NT maps without routing for a discounted price, better than no NT maps at all.

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ST-Bob

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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  16:15:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sure a $100 automotive GPS will do routing but it won't be a compass and altimeter equipped portable you can use for hunting/fishing/boating. The Endura line is primarily a hunting/fishing/boating model which has all the necessary features and functions for those actvities plus detailed hill-shaded topo maps you won't find on any $100 road navigator.

In addition the Sierra and Safari models have the NavTeq road map data which is a routable data set. Since you won't need street routing while walking or riding an ATV through the outback, you have the option of paying extra to enable the turn-by-turn routing on the included NavTeq street maps. Lowrance apparently feels that this feature is not desired by every Endura purchaser so makes it an option you can buy if you want it. Thus the average user doesn't get hit with the extra charge for something they won't use.

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gpspassion

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Posted - 08 août 2009 :  18:12:29  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, and AFAIK they are the only handheld units out there with built-in NT maps, certainly nothing to sneeze at. The remaining question is what they mean by "full featured TBT navigation" and if that's any different from "TBT navigation". It could be TBT without TTS for instance or route planning as opposed to active guidance.

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JimC

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Posted - 09 août 2009 :  09:27:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

I was under the impression the Sierra came with Navteq maps..... so it's probably just a matter of switching to the Navteq maps to get access to "turn by turn" routing.

As for screen legibility vs the Oregon I don't agree, I had both of them side by side in the direct sun and the Sierra was clearly more readable, probably because it doesn't have the "matte" protective layer.


Apparently I wasn't the only assumer who thought if you were receiving NavTeq street maps they would be routable.

I own an Oregon GPS and I believe it it is easier to read in direct sunlight than the Endura. Neither of them are good, but in order to read the Endura it has to be held in the perfect position, I find the Oregon more forgiving. If you are hiking it is probably not a big issue, if you are riding a motorcycle or ATV it is. On a bike or ATV both GPS's must be run with 100% backlighting to be remotely usable.

I also find the scrolling speed of the Endura dissappointing. The H2OC had blazing screen refreshes and scrolling speed. The Endura is nowhere close to those speeds. While not as bad as the Delorme PN40 is is sluggish when compared to the Oregon.

Another area where the Endura gave up ground to the H20C is track handling. The Endura is limited to 30 tracks and you have virtually no control over the track properties. You can't set the track color or pattern, you can't choose whether individual tracks are displayed or not. All you can do is change a track's a name and give it a description. Track display options are current, saved, all or none.

I need to do some more testing, bit it appears that I am experiencing position drift. I took a short trip this afternoon and followed the same roads out and back. There are a few places in the GPX file where the inboud and outbound tracks diverage by between 90 and 150 feet. This is with WAAS on and EPE readings of 9 to 16 ft. I was surprised because the first trip I took with the unit did not show this type of drift.

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Originally posted by ST-Bob
.........The Endura line is primarily a hunting/fishing/boating model which has all the necessary features and functions for those actvities plus detailed hill-shaded topo maps you won't find on any $100 road navigator.


Right now my maps look like the Map Quest maps on the web. There is no hill shading, or anything that remotely resembles the AccuTerra maps we have seen displayed in all the advertising. The only thing that I have that Map Quest doesn't is 100 foot elevations lines. I am again assuming that something is wrong with my unit, and I have an email into support. The only map controls I could find are the choice to display the Base Map, Imagery or Hybrid. The only option that will display anything is Base Map.

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 09 août 2009 :  12:02:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well that's sure a bit disappointing. The touch-screen, of course, causes some readability issues in direct sunlight. The nearest unit I have to the Endura is the Xog. The Xog needs a sun screen outdoors. I suppose any resistive touch-screen will block some of the light and reflect sunlight outward but we were all hoping for better I'm sure.

I would think the tracks menu would get fixed to be more in-line with Lowrance's other hunting hand-helds in a future release of the software. It can't have escaped their notice that this menu is crippled. Might have been a compromise to hide a deeper flaw and still get the units out to the market. Stay tuned for updates from Lowrance.

Losing position accuracy without indicating as-such seems like it could be reception problems. I wonder what type of antenna they used and what orientation it's in. In a hand-held, they usually put the antenna facing the front (LCD side) of the unit which means it's not oriented correctly when used in or on a vehicle. That's because you'd want it with the screen vertical and facing you rather than horizontal and facing the sky. Maybe that's the issue. On the Xog and iWay 250c it's on the narrow 'top' edge of the unit facing the sky when the screen is vertical. Of course under tree cover no GPS will maintain a good lock on multiple satellites 100% of the time. Your body blocks a significant portion of the sky when using hand-held or in your pocket too. On the reverse trip different satellites may be visible giving you different direction of innacuracy. WAAS doesn't really help in these situations. It can, in fact, make it worse sometimes. It was designed for aircraft, not ground-based GPS units. Some GPS units are better in weak signals than others so maybe the Endura (or your particular unit) isn't an exceptionally sensitive receiver. Or maybe your first-run unit is a bit of a lemon...

For selecting the other maps if the menu works at all like the Xog, touch the screen to bring up the screen controls. If there's a row of soft buttons on the left side, look for one that toggles between map, satellite and hybrid modes. On the Xog this button switches between NavTeq, loaded maps or imagery and a hybrid of both. Also look for a Categories Displayed menu and find all the check-marks for features you'd like displayed. The AccuTerra maps may just be turned off.

Thanks for reporting your initial impressions. I would hope that future versions of the software will fix many of these issues. It sounds a lot like the iWay 500c's early troubles...

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lanko21

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I have the endura outback. I like the unit so far. I am having trouble with geocaches. I add .gpx files from pocket queries to the folder in explorer to load the caches into the unit. This works, but if two queries have duplicate caches then they are duplicated on the unit. I used GSAK before, but this is not compatible with Lowrance. Any thoughts or ideas?
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kc9gbo

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Posted - 11 août 2009 :  15:16:58  Show Profile  Visit kc9gbo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sounds real similar to the problem I ran into with the XOG and gpx files, it would put duplicates in also. The workaround I came up with is to use Gsak to build the list I want. Export as a gpx file, run Lowrances geocaching program to convert the gpx to a usr file and I'd have what I wanted.
I'm hearing that the usr system is not supported or changed somehow in these new gps'es (can anyone verify that), so you may end up just doing an export of the gpx our of Gsak and then moving it to the gps.
Hope that helps! (Maybe spin this thread off into a new thread mods)
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ST-Bob

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Posted - 11 août 2009 :  21:35:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suggest "Endura Geocaching" as a name for a new topic to discuss this.

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alluther

USA
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Posted - 17 août 2009 :  23:02:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To JimC,
I'm having the same problems with the maps not having details like shading and what we were expecting. The maps are pretty much what I have on my old eTrex Legend with more detailed intervals. Besides, I have no satellite images on mine, which I thought were part of the package. I was expecting this to have the satellite images on it in detail like one can see on google maps or terraserver. I've tried to get a hold of customer service twice and both times I've been put on hold for over 40 minutes and still no answer. I've been looking at downloading some satellite images off of their mapselect.com but didn't know if there was a place we didn't have to pay $5.00 for each individual area of interest. Besides, when I'm on mapselect.com, It doesn't show me what the map will look like in hybrid mode. Any suggestions anyone?
Thanks

alluther
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 17 août 2009 :  23:14:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it works like the Xog, MapSelect.com will ask you to register and get other info about you for their electronic ordering system. It only works if you put a micro-SD card in the Endura's memory slot. Once again; if it works like XOG, an auto-run is put onto the SD card when first inserted and it creates a link to MapSelect.com which is the default action when exploring the SD card from the computer.

I can't speak for whether the maps we were expecting will ever be forthcoming or not but I too assumed the Accuterra maps would be included. Satellite imagery was never part of the package as far as I'm aware. Dunno where you got that impression.

As to the wait for tech-support; get used to it. Monday, Tuesday and Friday are the longest wait times with Wednesday and Thursday being the shortest. Do not expect a prompt (or any) answer from their tech-support email address. They've never put a high priority on email communication for tech-support. 40 minutes is not at all unusual hold time for Lowrance and when you finally do get through, they often are clueless on the new products.

Nobody makes other downloadable maps for the XOG or Endura because all add-on imagery is hard-coded to require encryption that is matched to your GPS's internal ID number when you place the order. Sorry, but that's the way Lowrance designed it to work for security reasons and to guarantee a steady income for their third-party imagery provider.

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 18 août 2009 :  01:49:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ST-Bob
I can't speak for whether the maps we were expecting will ever be forthcoming or not but I too assumed the Accuterra maps would be included.


I remain confused as to what I should be expecting on the unit as far as maps. I don't know if the "base map" menu options is displaying a new type of base map or if Lowrance has ginned up some OEM version of the AccueTerra maps. I thought AccuTerra maps would be more detailed. Some have suggested the AccuTerra mpa may not have been loaded and we are due those - but I just can't tell.
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 18 août 2009 :  01:59:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only ones that can (or should be able to) answer that are the folks at Lowrance. Sit on that phone and wait it out till you get somewhere. Demand to know why the ads and pictures on their own web site say it has Accuterra maps and why the actual units aren't displaying like the photos show. You'll likely get nowhere with the first tech you talk to but you can ask to have it escalated to a higher-up tech or engineer. Don't take "I don't know" for an answer.

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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 18 août 2009 :  02:13:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just read the PDF of the user's manual. It appears to have 3 modes; basemap, imagery and hybrid. When set to imagery, you should see the hill-shading or downloaded satellite imagery.

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wahoowad

USA
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Posted - 18 août 2009 :  03:03:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry, Bob, hope I didn't come across as somehow expecting you to answer my questions [ed] I do note their Sierra marketing images clearly show shaded imagery at the 18 mile zoom level see this comparison -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=129047#892937 [ed]
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Texas Republic

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Posted - 08 avr. 2010 :  19:23:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just want to make sure I understand this right. I use to have an XOG, and downloaded multiple topo and sat maps from mapselect. These maps which I still have wont work on the Endura because they have been individually encoded to only work on my XOG unit? Thanks for any clarification.

I also tried to purchase the additional "unlock" maps for turn by turn navigation in the Endura. I was told they will be back ordered because they have not yet been released. The expected release date is April 19th I believe? I thought the Endura has been on the market for a little while already?[ed]

Thanks for any clarification anyone can provide.
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 09 avr. 2010 :  02:13:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The MapSelect.com downloadable maps are compiled at time of purchase and encoded to work only with the XOG you have registered with the web site. They will not work on any other internal hardware ID (unique to each XOG).

The NavTeq TBT option was "supposed" to be a simple fee-activated feature which would be unlocked by putting in the code you received from Lowrance. While I have no specific knowledge one way or the other, it's not difficult to believe that the TBT database was left out of the initial release or had bugs in it which would keep it from working. The TBT database is supposed to be available only in the top-of-the-line model of Endura I believe.

So what they're telling you is technically true - the upgraded maps aren't released yet and it's also possible that the unlocking algorithm was never implemented into the service reps software suite so they would have no way of generating the unlock code for you.

Stranger things have happened.

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Texas Republic

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Posted - 12 avr. 2010 :  01:02:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have looked for a Endura "FAQ" page on here and Lowrance's website. The Lowrance FAQ for the endura has three questions answered as far as I can tell. None of mine are there.
I am trying to upload my .usr data that was on my XOG to my Endura. I believe that file is my routes, etc. On my XOG, I could simply copy the file into the XOG drive and power on and off the unit and they were in there. Is there something I am missing here? I tried that with the Endura Safari and its not working.
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 12 avr. 2010 :  01:04:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually, even on the XOG you need to use the transfer data menu to get the data into or out of the hidden file which the unit uses. Is there such a menu on the Endura?

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Texas Republic

19 Posts

Posted - 12 avr. 2010 :  06:57:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well. I think I may have figured part of it out. I downloaded and installed the THREE software updates on Lowrance website. I THINK you have to place your data file in the GPX? folder for it to work. Once i placed it in that folder it seemed to work. I think it worked before I installed the updates. I have done alot of work on it tonight. Not exactly sure of the order.

I now have another problem. I downloaded one topo map segment from mapselect to see how it handled before I purchased more. I downloaded to computer and extracted. However, I cant seem to get the topo to display. I have placed it on the device's hard drive all alone, in the gpx folder on the hard drive, and on the mini sd card. The hybrid option is on, so it should show it. Doesnt though for some reason. The only foler I have not tried is the routes folder.

The only option I can see for data transfer (which was only there after one of the updates) is "export data to sd card". Nothing for uploading it.
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Texas Republic

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Posted - 12 avr. 2010 :  18:25:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a lot of little questions about the Endura. Would this be the appropriate place to list them, or should I start a Endura FAQ topic?
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ST-Bob

USA
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Posted - 13 avr. 2010 :  02:32:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you start a new topic named "Endura tips and tricks" then you can start cataloging what YOU find and others can add to it as THEY find things.

Bob Peloquin - Moderator-Lowrance iWay forum
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Texas Republic

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Posted - 22 avr. 2010 :  05:42:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to make a special effort to compliment Lowrance on the spectacular service in customer support that I recently received. No other GPS product that I have owned in the past has put forth this level of effort.

A few weeks ago, I purchased one of Lowrance’s new handheld GPS units, the Endura Safari. My support issue began after I downloaded a topographic map from Mapselect’s website. Even though I seemed to be following the instructions correctly, the topographic maps were not being properly displayed on my unit. Hoping to troubleshoot the problem myself, I became a member of the Groundspeak Forums. After performing many of the listed solutions without any success, I posted a forum reply outlining my own unique set of facts to my problem.
The quick response and quality of support that I received from “EnduraExpert” went far beyond anything I was expecting. Not only did EnduraExpert immediately reply to my posting with several potential solutions to resolve my issue, he also sent me a forum email offering additional phone support in case the issue was not yet resolved. It is hard to find that level of service anywhere, especially when it is free of charge. Later that same day, I received a telephone call from EnduraExpert. We quickly determined that the issue was with my registered account with Navico, and not the unit itself. Having a technical support matter resolved so quickly for once was like a breath of fresh air. However, it did not end there. To show Lowrance’s appreciation towards my purchase, EnduraExpert also provided me with 5 free maps of my choice from MapSelect. Regardless of what line of GPS products you prefer, resolving a customer support issue in less than four hours and being provided with free maps to show your value as a customer wins every time in my book. Lowrance has found itself an excellent employee in EnduraExpert, and will continue to have my business while they provide this level of customer satisfaction.
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