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Saleen

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:25:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I need TOPO that is downloadable to my Garmin Rhino 120, but I can't seem to find a source and I am fast running out of time before deployment.

Any help will be appreciated.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:30:32  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Welcome to GpsPasSion. You won't find any topo maps for sale for Iraq for your Rhino, best you can do is get "Worldmap" but that's really an overall map http://www.garmin.com/cartography/

Take a look at our database here to see if there's anything for Iraq in the way of electronic maps thar can be used on a PC or a PPC - http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=65&page=2

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Saleen

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:36:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't believe there is not a huge demand for such a program. Is that regular program what they are using over there right now?


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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:45:24  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm not familiar with what is being used in Iraq, I guess the military have their own electonic maps for use on specific devices?

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Saleen

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:50:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The military does. But my understanding is that personal civilian units are also in widespread use. I just can't seem to hook up with anyone who is actually using one over there or who knows where to get the downloads to use.

The quest continues.....


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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  13:56:02  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Did you follow the links I gave you? You could start with Worldmap, Garmin has a viewer on that link so you can see what type of detail you'll be getting.

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jsiegel

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  14:20:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For what it's worth...

http://www.maptech.com/products/baghdad/index.cfm

Edited by - jsiegel on 30 juin 2004 14:22:51
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richardstephens

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  14:26:14  Show Profile  Visit richardstephens's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Some people are using Memory-Map Navigator on a Pocket PC, with Maptech's Baghdad Street map. This includes a small scale map of Iraq, and several other cities, but it does not include topographic detail.

Richard Stephens
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gpspassion

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Posted - 30 juin 2004 :  14:36:20  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes and the question was integration on Garmin units originally.
Do we know how Maptech's data compares to what's available on WorldMap outside cities?

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igurevich38

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Posted - 02 juil. 2004 :  19:03:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you get really desperate, you can buy (really expensive) 50K TOPO maps of Iraq from Cartogrpahic, from 2002 by The Russian General Staff.

But they are in Russian, so if you can't read it then it won't help. However they are precalibrated and accurate enough and will work with a lot of different tools on PC, PPC, and Palm.

By the way, since you're getting deployed, can't the US government give you something that they have? I am sure they have great maps for all kinds of devices.
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Saleen

USA
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Posted - 02 juil. 2004 :  20:49:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could use what the Govt. issues IF it gets issued to me. My last time over there, however, (Desert Storm) you had to be a platoon leader, company commander, or similar command element to get a GPS. If you happened to get seperated from one of those chosen few, you were screwed.

I'm sure that GPS systems are more wide spread now, but life's experiences have taught me to always have a back-up so I am going over there with my own just in case one isn't provided to me.

I did find those Russian maps on a link that someone provided here, but I do not believe that they are in a format compatible with the Garmin (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Language differences don't bother me because I can always create and rename the cities as waypoints in english.


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gpspassion

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Posted - 02 juil. 2004 :  21:25:38  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No, again for the Garmin you're only option is their WorldMap data.

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Saleen

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Posted - 02 juil. 2004 :  21:53:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's what I thought. The unit itself already has the country of Iraq in the database, but beyond Baghdad there appears to be no other city.

I may have to build it from scratch when I get there using known coordinates and named waypoints. I guess that's an option.


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igurevich38

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Posted - 02 juil. 2004 :  22:30:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suggest that you buy a Pocket PC with a CF GPS or a combo like Mio 168 with Memory Map or OziExplorer so you can use raster maps, just for backup. And buy the cartographic maps. Is the government paying for any of this? :-) In a war zone it's probalby worth the money.

If you decide to build your own map for Garmin here are some places to start. You can download the data in Arc format for free and this will give you the basic outline of the whole country. Since it's vector data, it will be easy to convert to Garmin.

Digital Chart of the World:
http://www.maproom.psu.edu/dcw/

ESRI World Basemap Data:
http://www.esri.com/data/download/basemap/index.html

See an example of what to do with this data and what it looks like:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8728

Here are 2 sites that explain how to make your own garmin maps:
http://gps.chrisb.org/en/download.htm
http://www.globgps.com/
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arpad

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Posted - 13 août 2004 :  14:08:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saleen, do you know of any software that displays your coordinates in Military Grid Reference (MGRS)?
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Saleen

USA
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Posted - 13 août 2004 :  14:58:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, I don't. I just checked my manual and found that there is no reference to that in there so I'm wondering how well this Rhino will work with whatever paper maps I get. Perhaps I should call Garmin.....again.


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admin_0

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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  15:55:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you had any luck since your last post? My wife is deploying soon and I can't find any good downloads for her Vista. Here is an interesting link, though.

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/iraq/iraq200k.html
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gpspassion

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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  15:59:56  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the forums!
These look like the Russian maps we have linked in the Worldmap database. You'll need to get her a PocketPC to import scanned maps though, as the Vista uses proprietary maps only.

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igurevich38

USA
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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  16:35:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No we haven't. But I highly recommend downloading all of the maps that are in the World Map Database (see the Maps and POIs message board) (above link included) and bringing a couple of GPS devices, PPCs, and a laptop etc... with OziExplorer software (it's the only one who can calibrate these maps with non-standard projections), and calibrating these maps on the spot in known locations.

I have been hearing on the radio lately that a lot of troops in Iraq are not being given GPS devices even though they need them and end up in really dangerous situations because of it. So you don't want to rely on the gov't for help in this case. I would spend the money in this case for extra stuff since your life may depend on it.

I also read an article that a lot of soldiers bring their own Garmin Rino walkie talkies and use them for GPS + communication. These may be useful as well.
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jsiegel

USA
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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  16:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just completed a special version of Outdoor Navigator that comes with many maps of Iraq for a large order. It comes with all of the maps and software on one 256 MB SD card. It is only being sold for Palm OS-based products for now. The Garmin iQue is a good example of a device with integrated GPS that it works well with...

More information on this is available at: http://www.maptech.com/products/onsdiraq/index.cfm
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gpspassion

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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  17:00:29  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The problem is that the iQue has a meager battery life of about one hour (BL on of course but that's the only way to use it outdoors) so I wouldn't want to have to rely on it for anything serious...Any reason this is not being made available for PocketPCs?

Anyway, even without uploaded maps, the Vista remains a sturdy device with a long (20+ hours) battery life where you can upload routes and waypoints using the free maps (they'll need calibration) as a basis but that requires some advance planning and will require to have a laptop handy in the evening.

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igurevich38

USA
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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  18:47:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Semsons sells this really nice battery extender (I got one) that works with any PPC and Palm.
http://www.semsons.com/batexwitusb.html
It clips to your belt and uses AA batteries. Really convenient,as long as you have a pile of AA batteries, especially rechargable ones, that you can charge at night.
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gpspassion

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Posted - 20 sept. 2004 :  18:54:15  Show Profile  Visit gpspassion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Right, I've had two of these for 2+ years, but with the one you link you'll need a USB synch cable to use it with a device other than a 3.5mm jack equipped PocketPC ;-) Also, messing around with cables is never a pleasant experience so I'm not positive it's a good idea to take that along in dangerous areas...

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admin_0

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Posted - 24 oct. 2004 :  09:12:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.gmap.com.mx/ir/

This is a bit pricey, but you can get a street map of Iraq for your garmin system. I am not willing to fork over what they are asking, but it may be worth it to go in together with your friends and hand out to those going on convoys.

John
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igurevich38

USA
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Posted - 25 oct. 2004 :  02:11:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks.
I'll add this to the world map database. I wonder how the accuracy of these maps compares to Maptech's?
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Saleen

USA
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Posted - 25 oct. 2004 :  08:39:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, that's a bit pricey alright. The more I think about it the more I am leaning towards just building a map along the MSRs with waypoints and track logs. I'll just have to do without the TOPO I guess.


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