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AlmostLost
India
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 Posted - 05 août 2009 : 03:13:06
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Hi Pixel K
Great software.
Now that it is becoming feature rich, needs a user guide/ manual. Else you'll be flooded with stupid "how do I do this" questions from people like me, wasting your time.
e.g. I choose a point of interest in the statgraph. How do I open the point list with that point in question displayed? Currently it seems that you have to manually read the time stamp off the status line, open point list, manually scroll to the point in question, and if you want the point highlighted, click once again in the statgraph. Obviously I'm missing something.
Thanks once again for your software.
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 05 août 2009 : 09:30:40
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Hello,
I started to write a documentation, but it's a long work and I'm not quite fixed how it should look like.
There is no easy way of having a particular point showed in the point list. Moving into the stat graph will highlight the corresponding point in the point list, but will not move the list to actually display it. It's a limitation I wasn't able to overcome so far.
So my question here is why do you want to display that point in the point list ? Is there a feature missing in the stat graph right clic menu ? I would really like to get rid of the point list display, as it's not practical to use, slow to display on big tracks and really a pain to deal with. |
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 05 août 2009 : 10:51:35
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Hi
Actually from my point of view, the point list is essential. In fact, I would want it to be open and active always, along with the preview pane and the statgraph, with all three being synchronised. Once that is done, I can junk Mapsource!
When deleting something, I'm loosing data. So one has to be very careful about what one deletes. That precision in editing, and decision making, I feel, can only come from studying the trackpoint list.
For me, the statgraph highlights regions of interest. Go there, examine the trackpoint list of that region, and decide what to do. Amongst other things, cursor control in the statgraph region is not precise enough. Nor is it meant to be.
RQF:
a)As things stand now, would it be possible to show ALL the point details (of the point under the cursor)on the status line. Including speed, which might be a derived value. Currently, only the Y-Axis value is shown. There is enough screen real estate left on the status line to show everything.
b)When a point is deleted, would it be possible to include it in both the track sections. Sometimes its an advantage, sometimes not. But it is far easier to remove the point from a track when it is not required, than to introduce it when it is required. I know from the programming point of view, this is trivial. Is there a philosophical reason for not doing so?
Thanks for time, effort, and may I say, your continued passion.
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de.lesse
Belgium
1 Posts |
Posted - 05 août 2009 : 13:20:05
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When i use gpx editor and save a gpx file. All other info is gone!
Can you implement this? or...
Thanx!
original gpx file (created from bikedashboard):
<trkpt lon="4.xxxxxxxx" lat="50.xxxxxxxx">
<ele>58.2000045776367</ele>
<time>2009-08-04T18:00:00+02:00</time>
<course>105</course>
<dist>3.59845886797611</dist>
<speed>26</speed>
<heartRate>0</heartRate>
</trkpt>
saved gpx file (created from gpx editor):
<trkpt lat="50.xxxxxxxx" lon="4.xxxxxxxx">
<ele>58.2000045776367</ele>
<time>2009-08-04T18:00:00Z</time>
</trkpt> |
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 05 août 2009 : 18:04:52
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AlmostLost
- Display of all other point values should be possible, I'll try to add a "verbose" status line mode.
- When you delete a point it's gone, maybe you thought about cutting a track in half ? In that case I thought I copied the splitting point to both half-tracks, but my memory is fuzzy, I'll look at it.
de.lesse
course, dist, speed and heartbeat are not standrad gpx values, as such they will not be supported.
Whatever source you use is using the GPX format very badly. You can't hope that any program will read such data nicely. |
Edited by - Pixel_K on 05 août 2009 18:23:53 |
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 06 août 2009 : 03:41:27
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Hi,
You are right. "When a point is deleted" should have read "When a track is split". More importantly, the feature I requested is already there:- the split point is included in both track segments. I don't know why I was convinced it was otherwise. Sorry.
In the verbose option, please include interpoint distance, time, speed, and also sequence number. And please include them in the trackpointlist also.
Please list them as the point in question and the following point. Easier for people to migrate from Mapsource.
Sync between statgraph and trackpointlist:-
Right now, moving the statgraph cursor causes the trackpointlist cursor to move, but not the other way around. Is it possible to implement that.
If the statgraph is expanded, the cursor sync is lost.
Regarding de.lesse problem:- What is your philosophy on what to do with tags which are not used by GPXEditor, but the file nevertheless passes Saxcount.
Regards
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 06 août 2009 : 10:31:16
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I'll make it a customizable setting, where you can can choose which data to display (when available).
distance between the next point, speed, and sequence number should be no problem, time is already displayed when it is available (second status bar slot).
Displaying those data in the track point list (apart from sequence number and time of course) is not possible so far.
SaxCount only checks for XML validity if I recall. You can add whatever data as long as it's valid XML. The GPX format is very well documented, and GPX Editor sticks to this documentation. anybody can invent whatever XML tag they want, but never hope it will be supported. In fact as long as it's not in the GPX standard, there's no way I'll support it.
I REALLY should work on the documentation / help file as it must be the fifth time I answer such question. I can only encourage you to read the whole topic if you search enlightenment on my position on open standards. The bad thing is documentation is very time consuming and not that funny to write, so no time for new features if i work on the documentation. |
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garmin76csx
62 Posts |
Posted - 06 août 2009 : 17:18:20
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But when something is extended as in:
<extensions>........</extensions>
it should be NOT DISCARDED in the outputfile, because this is a documented form of extension. The values and tags within the "extension" is a different story: you don't have to interprete the values, but at least leave them untouched.
About documentation: you know what I would like to.... |
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 06 août 2009 : 19:20:56
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Hi,
By time, I meant the interpoint time, not the absolute time.
I thought saxcount validated against the mentioned schema, GPX in this case. My mistake.
My thinking is along the same lines as garmin76csx, infact less "pure". Don't process nonstandard information, but don't throw it away also. Maybe we need a preprocesser to turn all nonstandard tags into legal extentions ;-)
Regarding documentation, anyway we (individual or community) can help?
Regards |
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 09 août 2009 : 09:27:26
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Version 1.2.6 German translation update, an embryonic help file and above / below value deletition correction.
Regarding the documentation, tell me what question you wish to be answered, and a bit of spellchecking will be handy.
Maybe we need a preprocesser to turn all nonstandard tags into legal extentions ;-)
Then the source program won't see them. Better advice : ask the author(s) of the source software to write standard-compliant GPX. |
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 11 août 2009 : 05:29:00
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Sure. Any help with English, though I dont think you need any help with that! Anyway, would be happy to do the donkey work. Just tell me how to go about doing it.
For starters, all the keyboard shortcuts/ hotkeys. And anyway of controlling the cursor in the statgraph using the keyboard, not mouse.
Actually, my basic issue is with usability, esp. with large files. This weekend, I'll get down to editing a large file, and make a note of all my thoughts.
Regards
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 17 août 2009 : 15:11:11
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Beta version 1.2.11
- Supports non-Zulu time (not enough data to test it)
- Should keep unknown extension data as long as it's complying to the GPX standard.
- Status bar content customization (look in the las tab of the settings)
I really need some feedback on those new features, especially the first two, as I don't have enough GPX files flavors to test it. For those asking, standard compliant extensions HAVE TO be contained in their own tag, under the <extension> tag. Of course there is no interpretation of those data, just pure copy/paste. |
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 19 août 2009 : 03:16:59
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Hi
Thanks for the new version (1.2.11). Handling of extensions now makes it practical. Removing information was a dealbreaker for me.
Took 1.2.11 for a very brief spin.
Could not figure out how to see the time as UTC +- offset.
Status line has a default speed. Selecting speed from the menu causes two speeds to be displayed. The speeds shown are different.
The interpoint time (duration) is generally off by 1 sec.
In copying the extentions block, non alphanumeric characters are not being handled properly.
Last weekend, pulled a old datalogger file (~15k trackpoints, 5 trackplots, no waypoints) and tried editing it with 1.2.06. Ran into some major usability problems. Will continue that with the new version, and let you know.
How do I work on the English language files?
Regards
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AlmostLost
India
32 Posts |
Posted - 25 août 2009 : 09:53:01
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Hi,
Did some more editing. Same comments as before.
Open GPX seems to work the same as Add GPX.
As said before, major usability issues for me, but that might be peculiar to me/ my workflow. Don't think this the forum to discuss, because taken in isolation, will come across as criticism, whereas I think the program is grat, but needs polishing.
Regards
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Pixel_K
France
814 Posts |
Posted - 26 août 2009 : 08:15:48
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1) Time is stored and displayed as UTC, there is no option to display it differently (for the moment)
2) The "default speed" speed that you see is the value from the graph you selected, it will be replaced by altitude if you choose to display the altitude graph. It is different from the optional speed because the graph speed is the mean between 3 points, while the optional one only takes into account the next point.
3) Inter-point time is a simple subtraction, I don't see how this can be wrong, are you REALLY sure it is off by 1 sec ?
4) Could you send me a sample that exhibits this bug ?
5) What usability problem exactly ?
6) Open GPX clears the currently loaded GPX before loading the new one, Add GPX doesn't.
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