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| gpspassion |
Posted - 03 sept. 2009 : 00:12:13 REVIEWED - TOMTOM CAR KIT FOR IPHONE SiRFstarIII GPS + Patch Antenna - Loudspeaker - Bluetooth - Power In - Audio Out iPhone 4 compatible with an adapter
 Product page on the UK Apple Store : >> LIEN <<
Updated 20100909 : TomTom are now shipping a special iPhone 4 adapter with the Car Kit and taking free orders for the adapter for existing owners, see details on page 5.
Updated 20091016 : As announced by Apple when I placed my preorder on September 24th, the TomTom Car Kit was shipped yesterday and came in today, this is impressive timing! I haven't been able to take it on the road yest but here are some first comments and annotated pictures after spending some time exploring it and seeing how it interacts with my iPhone 3G. 1. COMMENTS
- The content : a pleasant surprise, a dashboard "sticking plate" is included and it will come in handy as an iPhone will be interacted with, conditions permitting of course, unlike a "standard" GPS once the destination has been programmed. There is a car charger too, outputting 1.2A, a bit more than the usual 1A, but the iPhone needs that based on my experience with other chargers. The miniUSB connector is straight so it might be a bit of an eye-sore...The manual is short but gives enough information to get started, like pairing the iPhone with the Bluetooth module of the car kit (you need to press the "jog shuttle")
- The form factor : the car kit certainly looks quite smart with a pleasant finish and even a "rubbery" bumper with the TomTom "hands" to dampen the impact of the bumps on the iPhone. In spite of the many features it packs, it remains light, but it's weighty enough to feel solid.
- The features : EasyPort (the screw-in suction cup premiered on the ONE v4 and XL v2 in 2008), SiRFstarIII GPS Module with dedicated patch antenna, loudspeaker with a "jog shuttle" to set the volume, Bluetoth for handsfree conversations, audio out (3.5mm jack), it's hard to do better and I don't remember seeing such a comprehensive car kit since the Seidio G4850 for the Dell x50/x51 in 2005 but it lacked Bluetooth as it was a PDA, not a Smartphone.
We'll get back to the GPS aspects in detail, but looking at the other features, everything works as expected once the mount is powerered. Fast Bluetooth pairing (mind the unusual 5555 code) for handsfree conversations (I suppose there is no hardware pin for a "mic in"), the loudspeaker is a bit louder than the iPhone's built-in speaker (arguably the best one on a smartphone) but has more bass when playing music and "cracks" less when pushed to its max level using the "jog shuttle" on the side. This speaker is certainly a welcome addition as it is the biggest limitation on the powered Carcomm mount I'm currently using
- The GPS feature : this is the most anticipated feature of the car kit with the built-in SiRFstarIII chipset. The performance of the SiRFstarIII chipset, the first "high-sensitivity" module launched in 2005 and regularly optimized since, is well documented and the use of a dedicated patch antenna inside the mount will help get the satellite signals where the is less interference than inside the iPhone, what with its large screen, wifi, bluetooth, gsm modules. This should finally bring decent GPS performance to the iPhone, on par with a standalone GPS system. The built-in module is the capable Globallocate Hammerhead II used successfully by TomTom on the ONE, XL, GO x40 and GO x50 AIOs but it clearly struggles in the "GPS hostile" iPhone environment and tends to lose the plot in dense urban areas as I found this week again in Paris.
As a reminder, the iPhone handles positioning in a "centralized" way using three sources in order of increasing quality : GSM, WiFi and the internal GPS. The SiRFstarIII module of the car kit is likely considered as an additional source with top priority. One open question is whether the external GPS can benefit from the AGPS assistance provided by most GSM networks.
Unlike on the Windows Mobile/PocketPC platform, there are no GPS tools available for the iPhone to dig in and see what's going on and run cold/warm/hot resets. Still, the first tests are encouraging since I quickly got a high quality position (according to Motion-X GPS) in my office. After disconnecting the power, the fix was lost and the positioning switched to the internal module that slowly got the fix back with a lower quality. Same thing with Google Maps, iGO, Navigon, TomTom or CoPilot.
It will be hard to measure but there's a chance the iPhone will offer snappier performance since the hosted internal GPS module will not by using any CPU cycles
Stay tuned for more...
2. ANNOTATED PICTURES THE CONTENT OF THE BOX

360 DEGREE ROTATION (32 "notches")

SEEN FROM THE BACK - LOUDSPEAKER AND MINIUSB PLUG

FLEXED OR FOLDED

ZOOM ON THE CONNECTORS AND ON THE "JOG SHUTTLE"
A "BUMPER" WITH THE TOMTOM "HANDS"

Posted September 3rd, 2009 - Thanks to the FCC, we're getting a detailed and early preview of the much anticipated TomTom iPhone car mount, here is a link to their reports : >> LINK <<.
Apparently the FCC got involved because the mount includes a Bluetooth antenna, a feature we weren't aware of and that joins : power, loudspeaker, full GPS receiver (SiRFstarIII, see below)...everything but the kitchen sink !
What's interesting is that this mount marks the return of a SiRF chipset on TomTom products as they were no longer present in the current line-up. Previously SiRFstarIII based, the GO range was switched to Globallocate's Hammerhead v2 for the 740 and 940 models, while the ONE range was switched to Globallocate's Hammerhead v1 in 2007...ironically the iPhone 3G and 3GS models harbor a Hammerhead v2 chip.
As a side note, the mount is given its own topic in the forums as Apple apparently required that TomTom allow it to work with all GPS enabled applications for the iPhone...
Pictures extracted from the PDF :
SiRFstarIII on board...

...and a LARGE patch antenna !

...overall view
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| gpspassion |
Posted - 20 juin 2011 : 09:51:10 I was able to verify yesterday that the TomTom Car Kit can be used as an external GPS receiver for a non-3G/GPS iPad with a simple iPhone extension cable:

Probably not useful on a daily basis but could come in handy. It won't power up the iPad though. |
| davidt |
Posted - 01 mars 2011 : 16:10:54 quote: Originally posted by newyork
I just purchased a TT car kit I am quite pleased with the improvement in satellite reception. I connected the device to my car aux input and this is a great sound improvement over the built in speaker. However, one problem I am having, for some reason all iphone applications (navigation, radio stations, ipod,...) are routed to the car speakers except telephone calls are routed to the built in speaker. This renders the car kit and the Bluetooth feature almost useless for calls, as the built in speaker doesn't provide adequate sound quality for a telephone conversation.
Is there a way to fix this and have the calls also routed to the car aux? Thanks,
From the car kit manual: TomTom car kit EN To play music on your iPhone through your car stereo, connect the TomTom car kit to the car stereo using a 3.5mm mini stereo audio cable (not supplied).
Note: Hands-free calls are not played over the car stereo.
Again if there is an issue of pairing (from the car kit manual) TomTom car kit Bluetooth reset and volume control The TomTom car kit can pair with up to 8 different iPhones. To remove all paired devices, or if the car kit does not connect properly to your iPhone, press and hold the volume button for 8 seconds. You should now establish the Bluetooth connection between your iPhone and the car kit again. To adjust the volume, move the volume control up or down. |
| mikealder |
Posted - 27 févr. 2011 : 14:11:15 The Bluetooth is ONLY used for the audio signals, the GPS data is fed in to the iPhone via its docking connector. I would delete the Bluetooth pairing for the TomTom car kit and try again just using the 3,5MM audio socket on the iPhone (not the socket on the car kit) - Mike |
| davidt |
Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 18:40:58 Just confirming that you have a cord from the headphone jack on the iPhone to the aux in of the radio.
when the call comes in have you tried to select the audio on the iPhone to the aux in?
Please keep in mind that the BT connection between the car kit and the phone is for GPS only. All audio will be via the kit or an aux cord out of the headphone jack on the phone |
| newyork |
Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 20:26:22 I just purchased a TT car kit I am quite pleased with the improvement in satellite reception. I connected the device to my car aux input and this is a great sound improvement over the built in speaker. However, one problem I am having, for some reason all iphone applications (navigation, radio stations, ipod,...) are routed to the car speakers except telephone calls are routed to the built in speaker. This renders the car kit and the Bluetooth feature almost useless for calls, as the built in speaker doesn't provide adequate sound quality for a telephone conversation.
Is there a way to fix this and have the calls also routed to the car aux? Thanks, |
| ma2oliveira |
Posted - 29 janv. 2011 : 15:10:16 Thanks davidt! I'll try it out when I head outside today. Post the results when I head back in. |
| davidt |
Posted - 28 janv. 2011 : 18:44:22 Just a blind shot in the dark: 1) confirm that the iPhone and the car kit are BT paired 2) start the application and make a route 3) open up itunes and on the lower right side there should be a audio choice button 4) Choose the car kit and double on the home button and go back to the route, and audio could be there. |
| ma2oliveira |
Posted - 26 janv. 2011 : 22:04:27 Hello!
Strange, isn't it?
Yes, I asked them as follows:
<QUOTE> Question: REF: iGO 2010 iPhone REF: TomTom Carkit REF: no audio/voice
Greetings,
I would like to request advice on how to resolve the following issue: the voice guidance/sounds generated by the iGo MyWay Brazil 2010 do not come through the speaker on my TomTom iPhone Carkit. However, phone calls come through well. The iGo's voice/sounds appear when the iPhone is undocked.
I have a jailbroken iPhone 3G 16GiB, firmware 4.0.1, iGo MyWay 2009 version 1.3.1.
Thank you for your attention and assistance. </QUOTE>
And their response was rather off-target:
<QUOTE> Dear Marco A. A. de Oliveira,
First of all, thank you for your interest in our products!
There are 3 places in the application, where you can set the volume, with the side buttons:
1. Go to '+More' -> click 'Settings' -> choose 'Sound and Warnings' and in this menu, when you use the side buttons, you will change the sound of the application.
2. When on the map, if you click once, the application will bring up the 'Quick menu'. You may change the sound here as well using the side buttons.
3. You can change the sound of the application by using the side buttons, when there is speech coming from the application.
Unfortunately there is no software slider for changing the volume.
If you have further questions, do not hesitate to contact us!
Best regards,
NNG Support </QUOTE>
I also asked TomTom and received a response (I was not able to find the message) indicating that the problem would be on iGo's side. I understand that they would not be interested in making too much of an effort towards achieving 100% feature compatibility with competing products.
I will ask iGo again and see if a different tech answers.
Thanks! |
| gpspassion |
Posted - 26 janv. 2011 : 21:24:43 Really can't think of a good reason for that, I suppose iGo is not routing the sound properly, have you asked NNG (the makers of iGO)? |
| ma2oliveira |
Posted - 26 janv. 2011 : 15:32:08 Greetings,
Sorry for the delay. iTunes reports that I have version 1.3.2 of iGo MyWay App Brazil. Since my first/previous post I have switched to an iPhone 4 (iOS 4.2.1) and the lack of audio feedback (voice directions) persists.
Thanks for any help. |
| gpspassion |
Posted - 04 nov. 2010 : 21:04:31 Haven't used the iGO MyWay app recently but I'm pretty sure I did when last year and didn't notice any problems with the TomTom Car Kit, and haven't read any other such feedback, what version are you using? |
| ma2oliveira |
Posted - 04 nov. 2010 : 13:16:15 Greetings,
I would like to inquire if any of you have had audio problems when using the iGo MyWay navigation app with the TomTom Carkit for Iphone.
In my case, the audio (voice guidance/keypress sounds) shows up only with the iPhone undocked from the carkit. On the other hand, phone calls come through the iPhone/Carkit beautifully.
Thanks for your assistance and attention. |
| gpspassion |
Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 20:44:05 No, you need a special version for the Touch -> http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/products/mobile-navigation/tomtom-car-kit-for-iPod-touch/ |
| wco81 |
Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 10:32:14 Any word on whether this will work with iPod Touch?
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| gpspassion |
Posted - 10 sept. 2010 : 06:45:46 The iPhone 4 adapter can now be ordered for free, here is the link : http://www.tomtom.com/page/iphone-4-adapter |
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