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gpspassion Posted - 30 juin 2009 : 00:04:29
Traffic (optional) - Google Local (v1.4+) - Roadsigns
v1.6 : MyRoutes - Facebook+Twitter - Panorama View Option ($10)
v1.7 : Optimized for the iPad (full screen)

Product page on the Navigon site : >> LINK <<

UPDATED 20110414 : v1.80 now available, new maps, Reality Scanner, TrafficCheck, see details on page 16.

UPDATED 20101217 : v1.70 now available, iPad in HD, see details on page 14.

UPDATED 2010709 : Navigon iPhone v1.60 is now available, with new maps.
UPDATED 20100329 : v1.5 is now available via the Appstore with available with : MyRoutes - Facebook+Twitter - Panorama View Option ($10)
UPDATED 20091205 : v1.4 is available with the addition of Google Local as well as other new features see details on page 9.
UPDATED 20091109 : v1.3 is available with the optional traffic module, details on page 8.
POSTED 20090629 - Navigon MobileNavigator for the iPhone 3G and 3GS is now available on the Appstore for €75 with maps of Europe weighing 1.7Gb. It's likely a US version will soon follow as Navigon have recently updated their PND maps to the Q2/2009 FreshMaps (Navteq Q4/2008) even though they are not currently active on the PND market.

My first test runs show this first "turn by turn" navigation solution for the iPhone works well, with a smooth map display and Navigon's typical advanced map rendering that makes the competition look "basic". No "terrain view" as on the 8110 though but the graphics are similar to those of the new 7310 and 8310 PNDs. Route calculations are quite fast too, only route recalculation can be a bit long and it doens't seem the iPhone's oft criticized GPS performance is the cause of this, at least not directly, as I was being tracked on the correct street, just not given a new route to destination fast enough. If you do lose your way in town it might be best to stop for a new route...not something we're used to doing anymore with our powerful PNDs.

This would be my general complaint about the iPhone version of Navigon, it's a competent but limited navigation solution compared to what we've been getting on Windows Mobile devices for years and of course on PNDs. No trip planning, no traffic information (seems like a natural on a connected device like the iPhone though !), no Speedcam alerts or custom POIs, no TTS (Text to Speech), etc...

Here is an overview of the current limitations :
- No traffic information, not good for a connected device that gives you traffic informaion for free on the Google Maps applet
- No Speedcam alerts
- No custom POIs, and it's unlikely POI-Warner or POI:Observer can be adapted for the iPhone in light of its lack of multitasking
- No route list
- No TTS with full street names.
- No trip planning, a usual forte of the Navigon software
- No terrain view like on the 8110, 7310 or 8310.

Call Handling :
- phone rings -> pop-up : call not taken, you go back to the map
- phone rings -> pop-up : call taken -> standard phone screen, end of conversation, Navigon restarts automatically (meaning it had closed down), navigation resumes.
- To make a call, you need to press on the iPhone's only hardware button, i.e. "Home", make your call and then restart Navigon manually and navigation will resume where you left it.

First conclusions : Overall this looks more like a working technology demo than a full blown navigation solution of the caliber we're accustomed to on AIOs or Windows Mobile devices. It's likely Navigon rushed the software to market to be the first and this has served them well based on Appstore numbers, so hopefully they'll add features down the road (for free or for pay ?) but the phone call handling issues seem to be specific to the iPhone platform...Let's stay tuned for more

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davidt Posted - 17 nov. 2011 : 17:39:16
Just upgraded to 2.0. I also downloaded just the USA states without Alaska and Hawaii. All went smoothly except at first no traffic information. From the purchase button I did a restore purchases and then I did a re-start of the phone, all back to were it was. Since I do not use the program much (I use TomTom because of traffic view) I will have to play with it a little and try and get use to it. I also restored my panorama view as well. One thing i did notice is that all of my saved locations were still there, no problems with them. I have also noticed that I will have to repeat the same set up over again on the iPad.

Updated: All the changes I did to the set up on the phone did transfer to the my iPad, except, the repurchase of the panorama 3D view and the state maps I did on the iPhone. For the iPad iPad I only did a few maps and the panorama view. Traffic is working as well.

I definitely like the the set up and view when you do a route, you can see each of the three route individually to make you choice.
davidt Posted - 06 mai 2011 : 16:21:12
[quote snipped] No it is not a bother, just would like to see it again as traffic is updated. As far as I can tell there is no way to recall the information. Would love to see a better indication by simply looking at the unit as to the traffic condition, kind of a more TomTom like view. When traffic gas a delay the car icon turns red or yellow and you then while driving have to drill through several screens to see the delay information. Unlike TomTom, just looking at the map and you can read and see the delay ahead or that you are already in.
gpspassion Posted - 05 mai 2011 : 05:39:33
Haven't noticed this on my iPad version, is it still bothering you?
davidt Posted - 15 avr. 2011 : 16:12:51
Just did the update. It went smooth and seems ok. The traffic check feature pops up for about 3 sec after you program a route. Is there a way to recall this?
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 15 avr. 2011 : 13:55:04
It looks like all regions were updated yesterday.
wco81 Posted - 14 avr. 2011 : 23:57:11
So that must be only the US app?

The augmented reality and the radar camera databases would be useful for other countries too.

But TeleAtlas is supposedly stronger in Europe than Navteq is? Interesting that Navigon chose Navteq.
caryrae Posted - 14 avr. 2011 : 20:32:13
1.8.0 app update.

What's new

-All new NAVTEQ map data - A free map update for all users!
-Reality Scanner (iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4) - Augmented Reality based search for interesting places around your position.
-TrafficCheck - Traffic information for your route at a glance (only available in countries with Traffic Live).
-U.S. Safety and Red Light Camera locations incl. audiovisual warning (available through In App Purchase).
gpspassion Posted - 11 janv. 2011 : 21:19:28
Uninstalled and reinstalled on my 3GS with 4.1 and my iPad with 3.2 and now all is working as normal, including the extras, traffic/Panorama/Zagat!

The display on the iPad is impressive but I'm not sure it's fully optimized as the lists (menus, POIs, etc...) tend to get populated gradually from top to bottom. Not a big deal but I wasn't expecting this.

I'm glad to see tha the "turn at the t-junction" prompts are gone, they really didn't feel very natural.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 10 janv. 2011 : 02:38:00
I have an iPhone 3GS and an iPad 3G and both worked without aproblem. Both have iOS 4.2.1, but I may have installed the previous version of Navigon before the OS upgrades came out..
weatheryoko Posted - 09 janv. 2011 : 04:46:20
I appreciate the help. I'm still having the same problem. I'm now running iOS 4.1 (and jailbroken so I can tether via BT to my phone (for traffic/weather data))

Can you tell me what devices you're using (i.e. iPhone 4, 3G, 3GS, etc). I'm starting to wonder if there's a problem with my DrawSettings.nfs....


P.S. As an interesting side note: I took my favorites file off my AIO and renamed it to and transfered it to my iPod touch. All my favorites were there. No retyping. I did the same with some routes that I have saved on my AIO (again, changed the file extension to .target and transfered them over). Easy.
klopus Posted - 08 janv. 2011 : 19:35:19
If it of any help I'm still running jailbroken iOS 4.0. No problems with upgrade to the latest Navigon.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 08 janv. 2011 : 13:57:16
FYI, I'm running the latest official iOS release (4.2.1) in my iPhone and iPad and both work as expected with the in-app purchases. Perhaps you can try restoring the iPod back to factory settings and see if that fixes things.

I do have the pixelated cover art, though.
weatheryoko Posted - 07 janv. 2011 : 16:22:03
No. It's still not working. I'm debating rolling my iPod Touch to an earlier iOS (4.1 or 4.0) to see if that fixes the problem. Additionally, the "Album Cover Art" in the latest release shows up "fuzzy" and highly pixelated when selecting/playing an album through Navigon GPS Software. Navigon is aware of that problem. I'm hoping their next software revision fixes both problems. Other than that, the software works great (including Traffic services and Zagat).

gpspassion Posted - 06 janv. 2011 : 03:53:02
Any luck getting it to work? I for one have not been able to get InApp purchased to work in Navigon :-(
weatheryoko Posted - 01 janv. 2011 : 01:22:59
Not sure what's going on. I did a complete restore of my Touch (3rd Gen running iOS 4.2.1) and then re-installed the software. I'm still not able to display Panoramic view (I restored the purchase and downloaded it). When I select it (as a view option), all I see is a blank screen.... Strange.

Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 30 déc. 2010 : 16:16:49
I did not uninstall. iTunes notified me there was an upgrade to the app and I let it download the new version. After I synched my iPhone (and my iPad), the app remembered my recents and things like that (I don't use favorites). I had to then go into the Extras section and restore my purchases to enable Panorama and Traffic. I don't know what will happen if you totally uninstall and install fresh.

Without the restore purchases from within Navigon, Panorama was not an option.
weatheryoko Posted - 30 déc. 2010 : 16:02:57
Thanks Enrique. I'll uninstall and re-install. I'm concerned that I may lose my favorites if I uninstall (which is why I wanted to make sure Pano works in 1.7 before I uninstall). Thanks again.

Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 30 déc. 2010 : 09:23:49
Panoramic view and traffic work for me but I went through the in-app purchase process again. You go to Extras and then click on Restore Purchases.
weatheryoko Posted - 29 déc. 2010 : 14:47:48
Can anyone confirm that Panoramic View is working properly? I upgraded my software from 1.6 to 1.7 and now the Panoramic view doesn't work. Regular 3-D view works, but Panoramic doesn't. I'm running iOS4.2.1 (not-jailbroken). Thanks in advance.

klopus Posted - 27 déc. 2010 : 17:37:32
No problem with my upgrade. Actually battle tested with flying colors during this terrible East Coast blizzard.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 27 déc. 2010 : 15:37:40
I don't know what is the problem with your iPhone 4, but I was able to upgrade without any problems on my iPhone 3GS and iPad 3G.

Have you tried uninstalling the app on the phone and then syncing again?
moh2786 Posted - 27 déc. 2010 : 05:16:19
So I updated my GPS software on my iPhone 4 a few days ago, and now it doesn't work. I paid $45 for this back in September, and it worked great all the way up until now. It won't let me search any locations, and every time I try to search one of my recent locations I get an error message that says, "Unable to start navigation. Your current position is not covered by any of the available maps."

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone has any idea at all what is wrong. I've tried to google this in several different ways today, but haven't had any luck.
davidt Posted - 24 déc. 2010 : 18:25:48
I have asked this before, last update, since I am new to Navigon just coming over from over from the TomTom side of the water. Does anyone know were I can get a manual for the iPhone version (even if old and not USA) just to learn a little about what is what and were is what. As I said before, thank you gps passion, playing with it is nice but a little to read would be great. Over all first impressions is that this version 1.7, has it over TomTom 1.6.
Is there a setting to apply auto zoom, or is it automatic?
Is there a way to show just the traffic on the route selected?
What is the best way to view future (up coming) traffic issues on the route selected. And can it be viewed on the route map, other than a sybol like in TomTom?
Thanks to any and all who reply and Seasons Greetings to all.
paulkbiba Posted - 23 déc. 2010 : 23:00:42
It doesn't seem to say. Just gives a copyright date of 2010 for the map data.
gpspassion Posted - 23 déc. 2010 : 22:32:23
Good news, what version are the maps now? Q3/2010 (Navteq Q1/2010) like on the AIOs updated via Freshmaps ?
caryrae Posted - 22 déc. 2010 : 02:31:11
1.7 available for U.S. now.
leoj Posted - 20 déc. 2010 : 21:20:00
Yes, I believe the date of December 15,16 was the date that the upgrade was first available at the App Store. It certainly was the first mention of the upgrade on the Engadget site[ed]
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 20 déc. 2010 : 17:39:22
I got notification of the European version and have started downloading it. I also have the US & Canada version that hopefully will come soon.

In the US app store, most versions seem to be from December 15 or 16, except for the USA and the USA & Canada packages that are still dated in July and August.
leoj Posted - 20 déc. 2010 : 16:39:43
The Navigon updates to v1.7 shown in the App Store are only available for the US regions (East, Central and West)at this time. No mention is given when the US and or Europe versions will receive their updates to v1.7.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 20 déc. 2010 : 14:18:45
Strange. I am still not getting notified of the update to the US version. I only get notified that the European version has changed.

When I go to the App Store on iTunes it says the US & Can version was released on July 10, thus it is version 1.6. I am accessing the store in the US.

Where did you get your update, Paul?

paulkbiba Posted - 18 déc. 2010 : 22:32:21
The US regional maps have already been updated.
gpspassion Posted - 18 déc. 2010 : 21:16:03
Thanks for reposting here, nice to see the iPad getting the full HD version now!
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 18 déc. 2010 : 21:01:33
I just got notified that Navigon 1.7 is available. I got notice of the European version. I also own the US version so hopefully that one will be updated soon too. According to Navigon, MobileNavigator 1.7.0 brings the following additions to the NAVIGON iPhone app:
-Universal iPad Integration: NAVIGON is the first major GPS Company to make navigation universal; it now runs natively on the iPhone and the iPad. Users with MobileNavigator installed can use the app on both devices without extra charges. The app utilizes the iPad's large display and user interface with a higher resolution, and new menus. Route planning is convenient on the iPad, showing a large scrollable, multi-touch map to select destinations in simple taps. Users can plan their routes at home on the iPad and then send them to their iPhone for navigation on the go. MobileNavigator can also be used for navigation on the iPad. Capitalizing on the large screen, the app demonstrates Reality View Pro and the map view side-by-side, providing an accurate overview of the way ahead. In-map elements such as direction arrows, Lane and Speed Assistant symbols are designed in proportion to the iPad display size.

-Zagat Survey: An In App Purchase offers access to Zagat's signature ratings and reviews of over 40,000 restaurants, hotels, attractions, golf courses, nightspots and other leisure activities, based on the thoughts and opinions of a worldwide network of thousands of surveyors. Zagat has become the world's most trusted source to help consumers make informed decisions about where to go. Zagat's content is integrated into MobileNavigator#146;s point of interest search, so users can easily find locations within a city, state or nearby. A tap on the individual destination reveals further information such as ratings of the appeal, decor and service as well as prices, telephone numbers and the full review text.

-Active Lane Assistant: The market first feature Active Lane Assistant assists drivers with getting and staying in the correct lane by showing a live lane animation. Displayed in the lower right corner of the map view, the animation reflects the current lane configuration and allows drivers to see ahead. An orange line indicates the way the driver should follow. The optional feature can be switched on or off.

-Map Reporter: The new Map Reporter feature enables users with the power to store changed road names, new speed limits, and one-way streets and submit them to improve the accuracy of future maps. The information is checked, verified and then integrated into later map updates.

-Retina Display Support: Retina display adaptation is further enhanced and now also shows the map, map fonts and POIs in high resolution.

-User Notifications and Newsletter: The update now also allows users to receive on-screen messages with important information about MobileNavigator within the app. In addition, users can also sign up for a newsletter and receive exclusive offers and first hand information by email.
klopus Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 20:25:48

> So if I want to buy the $25 in-app Panorama 3D option, I have to buy it for both apps?

> Does this work with iPod Touch and Tom Tom Kit?

Don't know about Touch (does it have a GPS?) but Navigon works fine with TomTom kit which I tried. My personal opinion is that TomTom kit adds little in terms of GPS performance at least on iPhone4. I'm so happy with Navigon+iPhone4 combo that I totally stopped using my standalone later model Garmin and probably will sell it.

wco81 Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 19:47:11
So if I want to buy the $25 in-app Panorama 3D option, I have to buy it for both apps?
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 19:17:24
I have both US and European maps. They are two separate apps, purchased separately from the app store.
wco81 Posted - 16 oct. 2010 : 10:41:14
Does this work with iPod Touch and Tom Tom Kit?

continued : Also, they have different apps. for different regions.

So you buy for one region and probably add other regions through in-app. purchases?

Looks like the Europe region is the most expensive at $120 but that presumably doesn't include the US maps?

Would the US maps be $60 like the US map or slightly less?

Looks like in-app purchases along with a car cradle could bring the total cost up to some premium standalone PNDs like the 3790?

How does in-app features like Panorama 3D and traffic compare to features in standalone PNDs?

Does offer any advantages in customization over standalone PNDs, like loading custom routes, POIs, favorites?
way Posted - 04 oct. 2010 : 23:22:29
Originally posted by klopus

I'm happily (make it very happily) running 1.6 on iP4 and don't have this password prompt problem except for initial hassle with upgrading traffic from iP 3G.

Sorta fixed this; the password prompt seems to persist until you actually activate the traffic to work "Automatically" via settings.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 02 oct. 2010 : 06:11:42
The GPS is actually off in airplane mode. You need to turn off data roaming but not put the device in airplane mode.
klopus Posted - 02 oct. 2010 : 01:41:22
Cell signal helps in triangulation on GPS satellite signal.
Dunno if any data was being used or just a tower signal.
So in Airplane mode your lock times may suffer.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 02 oct. 2010 : 00:27:01
Navigon itself doesn't need a data connection, but some of the services it provides, such as traffic or Google Local Search do. Make sure you turn off Data Roaming on your phone before you get to the US and you won't have a problem. Only turn on Data Roaming when you know you need to use the data connection.
shimrob Posted - 30 sept. 2010 : 22:21:49
Hello friends, I was wondering if you know about the use of this program? What I mean is if I use it in the u.s.a. will I have a surprise high cel bill when I get home from my vacation, or will it only use the free gps connection? thank you
klopus Posted - 22 sept. 2010 : 02:38:50
I'm happily (make it very happily) running 1.6 on iP4 and don't have this password prompt problem except for initial hassle with upgrading traffic from iP 3G.
way Posted - 21 sept. 2010 : 23:23:23
I recently loaded Navigon v1.6 on my iPhone 4 (migrated from 3GS). I had previously purchased - via in-app purchase - the Traffic option and so re-downloaded the Traffic option again to make everything whole again. However now whenever I use the application it prompts me for my iTunes password. Anyone else notice this behavior? Would be curious to know if there is a fix for this somewhere.
shocklin Posted - 14 sept. 2010 : 07:46:27
To GarySN: About "advance route planning". It's still there in 1.6 just as before. On the Main Menu: tap "more" at bottom right of the screen. Then:
. Select "Route" . Then,
. Select "New Route" and say "yes" you want to delete the current route. Then,
. Tap "Add Route Point". Then,
. Enter an Address by one of the methods shown. Then,
. Tap "Add to Route" again to select a second destination on the route. Do this for any number of destinations. Then:
. Press "Calculate Route". Then,
. Press "More". You should now get the screen showing "Details" at the top.
GarySN Posted - 07 sept. 2010 : 15:31:27
Originally posted by shocklin

"advance route planning has no travel time estimate"
Sure it does:
1. "Calculate Route"
2. "More"
3. "Details" You will see the point by point times and distances.

I'm running 1.6, and there is no "Details" option after tapping "More". Has the feature been removed, or simply moved elsewhere?
the-uki Posted - 17 août 2010 : 18:38:05
One big drawback is that you can't change the spoken language to be different from the one your iphone is set to. There are multi-lingual people in this world, and changing the spoken language is of particular importance for example, if you are English using an English language setting but driving in France - the pronounciation of the street names will be much better if you switch the Navigon spoken language to French. This is one reason why people are chosing Tomtom instead of Navigon.
Other topic - also agreed the advanced planning is not as end-user friendly on Navigon as it is on Tomtom, where you access the feature with just one tap.

paulkbiba Posted - 10 juil. 2010 : 17:36:46
Here is an excerpt from the Navigon press release about what is new in v1.6. The new parking feature looks interesting.
In the latest update, we not only added new driving related features such as Weather Live and Clever Parking but also improved the way information is presented in our new Destination Information Display.#148;

Live Weather updates and reports current weather conditions along the route and at the destination in real-time. Ensuring no unpleasant surprises, temperature and weather condition icons appear in the route overview screen before and during navigation. With only a tap a detailed three-day forecast is available. NAVIGON MobileNavigator is the first iPhone navigation app to include a Clever Parking feature, giving drivers the advantage of knowing where and what the best parking options are available around the upcoming location. When approaching the destination, a #147;P#148; icon appears in the map view. In one tap an easy to scroll list of all available parking options are available, including distance from location for easy decision-making. The Destination Information Display provides an at-a-glance overview and summary of information pertaining to the destination. Users can customize what is shown in settings/options, such as parking locations, weather information and specific POI#146;s such as all the restaurants at around the upcoming destination. This delivers an overview of everything important ahead of time, so they know what to expect and where to go when arriving.

Compatible with iOS 4, update 1.6.0 includes the much anticipated multitasking* compatibility, which provides continuous navigation and turn-by-turn directions while running other applications simultaneously. Users can, take a call without sacrificing navigation. While on the go, and receiving a call, the voice guided turn-by-turn directions automatically turn down, heard only by the driver and one tap lets the screen continue routing and navigation information in the map mode. MobileNavigator runs in the background when accessing other apps and functionalities of the iPhone, so the app can continue to automatically calculate and update routing information and provide voice guided turn-by-turn directions. When switching back to MobileNavigator, the user picks up exactly the place where left. The update also includes enhanced Retina display buttons and icons for the iPhone 4.
gpspassion Posted - 10 juil. 2010 : 12:55:15
Nice work.

Navigon v1.60 now available via iTunes, new maps at last !
nuvi350fan Posted - 07 juil. 2010 : 23:30:14
I have posted an overview comparison of 3 navigation i use now a days. i find iphone navigon is very good for most tasks esp with multitasking in 4.0 :
Madturk Posted - 07 juil. 2010 : 17:09:54
Interesting - no updates via itunes or the iphone. Still on 1.0.
gpspassion Posted - 06 juil. 2010 : 23:46:10
You should be able to update to v1.5, maps are not new though, that should come with v1.6 the version that will bring "backgrounding".
Madturk Posted - 06 juil. 2010 : 21:20:37
I have the Central NA version of Navigon for the Iphone. I see that is still version 1.0. I would really like to see the "backgrounding" for iOS4 be implemented. Is it for the Full NA and other regions? just not the 'partial' map regions?
gpspassion Posted - 03 juil. 2010 : 20:50:22
A nice guide here : [GUIDE] Changing Car Icons on Navigon for iPhone by jayzsport ;-)
gpspassion Posted - 23 juin 2010 : 01:57:54
New v1.6 update announced to make good use of the new "backgrounding" feature of iOS 4, here is a YouTube vide that explains what's new and improved :
motif1 Posted - 01 juin 2010 : 13:46:20
Thanks shocklin. In fact, I just learned this morning and came on here to post that Navigon DOES have travel time and distance estimates. It was hard to believe that it didn't, but I couldn't find it. But after planning and calculating an itinerary you go to Autres>MyRoutes and it shows the map of the entire itinerary for 3 proposed routes, with distance and travel time. That's good to find.

So some of my complaints about Navigon on iPhone have evaporated as I get to know it better. I still don't find it great for pedestrian mode, where you want to tap a street or POI icon and get information about it. Navigon does not have any map or mode that lets you do this, as far as I see. By comparison, Sygic using the navigation mode is the same (not tappable), but in the "map" or "route" map modes, the route and moving current position arrow are shown, but all items on the screen are tappable to give pop-up information. I find live interactive maps much better for navigating by foot in a city than the Navigon way of dead maps.

Navigon may be better than Sygic for car driving, at least because of complete TTS in Europe (in pedestrian mode you don't want or need verbal commands). However, I might think that Sygic would be the best overall program if driving navigation is roughly equivalent to Navigon (minus TTS) and pedestrian is better. But this morning I found a potential problem with Sygic for driving that could be bad, unless I did something wrong: locations 200km apart that it couldn't calculate because "waypoints too far apart". I'll ask that question over at the Sygic forum. (EDIT - My problem, I discovered I had the Sygic program set in pedestrian mode, so in driving mode long routes are calculated OK. Now we know, just don't try to navigate the entire route of Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle on your iPhone. He probably used a better GPS phone...).
shocklin Posted - 01 juin 2010 : 08:00:35
"advance route planning has no travel time estimate"
Sure it does:
1. "Calculate Route"
2. "More"
3. "Details" You will see the point by point times and distances.
motif1 Posted - 28 mai 2010 : 16:57:34
That's cool about tapping to close the static view, I didn't notice that.[ed - see PM]
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 28 mai 2010 : 15:27:08
Regarding the static picture of exits and tunnels, just tap on it and it goes away. You don't have to wait until it disappears on its own.
motif1 Posted - 28 mai 2010 : 10:34:31

Thanks for your feedback. I tested the Navigon more in driving mode, and you're right that I was perhaps too harsh before in my opinion. My impressions in the last post were based mostly on pedestrian mode. I think pedestrian is where Navigon falls down because screen links are not live, so you can't push the icon to ask what is that street named, or what is that POI. In Copilot you can, and apparently also in Sygic. (One aside, I think Copilot uses their proprietary maps in US but good ones like Teleatlas in Europe).

But for driving, the Navigon navigation is easy to follow, fluid graphics, and great TTS. In Paris it says the names of even little streets, with good native speaker (not robot) pronunciation. GREAT. It loses signal more often than my winmo phone with SirfstarIII chip, of course, but this is a general iPhone problem.

A minus of Navigon is still the poor advance route planning. I could maybe live with having to scroll along the advance route map to see the roads, but why why is it not possible to get an advance estimate of driving time? I use this all the time, and as far as I see, not possible in Navigon.

I also don't really like the static picture of exits or in tunnels. You can't see the route map anymore for the time that the static image displays. Copilot and I think Sygic use an overlay of route signs, this could be better.

So overall I would say for Navigon
PRO - great driving mode, easy to follow
great TTS directions
CON - not as great for walking mode because map icons (street name, POI) are not clickable, therefore too fiddly to get realtime information while walking
advance route planning has no travel time estimate
only one default voice

If I needed only driving mode I would probably just stick with Navigon and figure none of them are perfect. But I use pedestrian mode a lot, and it is not even as good as Copilot IMO for walking. I think I'll try out Sygic & see if it suits me better.
gpspassion Posted - 26 mai 2010 : 17:39:10
Yes, it's an "on-board" application, you will need an active data connection to get traffic and use the Google Local search of course.

As for map updates, if any, they become available with software updates, see the dedicated topic about updates in this section. Unfortunately Navigon, unlike TomTom and possibly CoPilot, have not made any new maps available since the iPhone app was released a year ago.
Aconite Posted - 26 mai 2010 : 17:33:15
Question about Navigon ....

As I understand it, the maps are included with the app, therefore, I do not need an active data connection.

Is it possible to upgrade the Navigon maps ... or do you have to re-purchase the application?

I checked the Navigon website but didn't find this information for the iphone.
klopus Posted - 25 mai 2010 : 06:39:22
Copilot US map is intolerably bad on any platform I tried it including iPhone. I believe their insistence on using custom map as opposed to Navteq and TeleAtlas is what makes Copilot cheap but also basically kills it in US.

I agree with gpspassion that you are being too harsh on Navigon for iPhone. Functionally I'd rate it better than my standalone mid-level Garmin of 2 year vintage. No matter what Nav app on iPhone you shouldn't expect stellar GPS behavior. Heck the damn little thing packs like 5 radios which all interfere with each other.
gpspassion Posted - 24 mai 2010 : 22:59:00
I think you're being a bit harsh with Navigon, yes it's missing a list of directions (I think the WM version has it now) but while it's a feature I like to see, I practically never use it.

More generally there is no "perfect" GPS app/AIO and over the years we all build up our preferences with navigation apps. I for one switch based on my type of trip, TomTom in town for map readibility (even better on the iPhone than on WM) and Navigon for long trips where I enjoy it's 3D map rendering, display of navigation information and stops and of course with the new terrain view.

Since you like CoPilot, you'll find that the iPhone version is exactly the same as the WM version and while it's a capable app, I've always had problems with some of the routes/reroutes it suggests and the ETA it offers, be it in Europe or the USA. You'll find a [GUIDE] Road Navigation Software on the Apple iPhone on the portal with all the relevant links.
motif1 Posted - 24 mai 2010 : 09:31:55

I am a recent refugee to iPhone from WinMo 6.5. The future of win phones doesn't look bright. Now I need a GPS app for iPhone, and tested Navigon Europe first (ver 1.5.1 on iPhone 3GS 32Gb). My comparison from previous GPS on WM were TT6 and Copilot8. Last winmo was Acer s200, very good phone (bigger than iPhone) but running the tragic OS...

After the mostly good reviews of Navigon for iPhone, I have to say I was kind of shocked by what I found. Overall, navigon on iPhone seems less functional than either of winmo TT6 or Copilot, where Copilot is much cheaper as well. My testing was in the city, not highway.

*The routing was correct, although I haven't tried anything fancy. But this is the minimum expected of a modern GPS program.

*Advance route planning is unacceptably poor. You can enter multiple stops that are not your current position and it will plot a route. So far so good. However, as far as I can tell, there is NO way to get ANY information about this advance route - distance, time, turns. The only option from there is "Start", not helpful if you are advance planning a trip someplace that you are not familiar with.
*Image has poor readability for street names. Street name font and color scheme combination conspire for the BAD, too small and poor contrast, very hard to read. Not a problem with either Copilot or TT.
*All images on the map (streets and POIs) are DEAD. That is, you can't touch a street for the name if it is not shown, you have to zoom in, cumbersome. And you can't touch the POI on the map for any other information, you have to memorize the POI name and then leave the map and go to POI menu to find that POI, bad.
*No choice of voices or language, only one default voice, I guess using phone system language.
*Display during navigation is kind of jittery with nervous readjustments. Again, this is in the city with constant turns. I don't think it's a memory problem, I cleared up program RAM by reboot before using Navigon so it was ~130-140Mb, the most you will ever see on iPhone.

Overall, I am very not impressed with this program, and I hope it doesn't indicate the general state of GPS apps on iPhone. I would use my old winmo phone with Copilot8 any day in preference to Navigon on iPhone. Next I will try the other "great" GPS iPhone apps, Sygic or Copilot, but I must admit I am now worried that iPhone may not be a very good nav device compared to a good winmo phone.

Does anyone have experience with multiple of these iPhone apps, and could advise me: if I don't like Navigon, should I expect more from either Sygic or Copilot on the iPhone? Which one should I try next? Or just stick with Copilot on my winmo until maybe iPhone4 and new app releases?
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 18:03:07
I have not played with the traffic data much. Fortunately I have not been driving much where it is relevant. Also I am often overseas and I am careful with turning data roaming on and off. The one time I needed it yesterday the tie-up didn't seem to be reported. Navigon directed me to get on a highway in Montreal but I saw in time that traffic was stopped and decide to just continue around an access road.

I am also a private pilot so I use some airplane oriented applications that take up a bit of room for maps and charts. Still over half the space is just music that I listen to occasionally. I have all of my CDs ripped so over the years I have amassed a lot of digital music content. I don't mind backing out some of it. At first it was convenient to just have everything along, but more and more the non-phone features I use are becoming a tool and a computer for me, rather than a music device.
navxguy Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 16:53:27
Originally posted by gpspassionAre you seeing the same problems I described with traffic data not being properly filtered when you ask to see the incidents that apply to your route?

yes, since the beginning and i suspect software
wco81 Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 02:03:19
Now they along with the other GPS app. makers need to redesign the layout for the iPad.

I know, too big to be practical in cars. But you know someone will come out with mounts (not PND mounts but regular mounts) for it.
gpspassion Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 00:06:59
Wow you've really packed it with data !

Good to hear you have the panning sorted out ;-) Are you seeing the same problems I described with traffic data not being properly filtered when you ask to see the incidents that apply to your route? At this point I'm not clear whether it's due to the way the data is formatted by Inrix or to the software not handling it properly.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 23:33:09
I think my problem was user error! I hen been using Destinator and you just swipe the screen to move around. With Navigon you have to press on the arrow symbol. Mea culpa... By the way, you can still pan from a 3D map, but the map that is shown while panning is 2D. Not a big issue for me. I think this has always been that way.

I'm back to really liking Navigon after another day of use.

I used the panorama mode and where I was driving the hills are not that high. I was driving in the country side and the background was sort of a cream color. With the hills here the shading was such that the hills didn't show up very well, but you could still see approaching towns sort of sloping up. I think this feature is more useful where you have taller mountains, but I still like it. It could be improved with different shading but it is nice. The resolution of the elevation data is not that great so the hills are pretty rounded compared to real life.

I have an iPhone 3GS with 32 GB of memory. One thing that I noticed about the iPhone (not Navigon), is that even though I had about 2.2 GB free, it wouldn't install the software until I freed up more space. I think it needs enough space to download the software and another similar amount to install it, even if you are writing over a previous installation. I thought I'd never run out of memory on my iPhone, but I was hitting the limit. I removed a lot of music that I don't listen to much and that resolved the problem.
gpspassion Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 12:33:01
Yes, no problems here either with panning on my 3Gs. As for MyRoutes, after months of use on my Navigon PNDs I never saw any difference in routes suggested or ETA calculcations, so I'd give it some time ;-) Excellent navigation software overall, although they need to fix the traffic on route filtering page (shows dozens of unrelated incidents that make it hard to see what's going on exactly) and adding custom POIs would be nice too, but there's a fat chance of the latter happening as their policy appears to be to selling "branded POIs" to their partners.

Here are some screenshots of the new v1.5 features, including PV in a slightly hilly area :

MyRoutes - Overview

MyRoutes - Zoomed in to evaluate the suggested routes :

The new anorama View :

Even with small hills, the rendering is interesting :

Twitter Update : (voir le résultat sur Twitter GpsPasSion)
wco81 Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 05:54:47
Originally posted by Enrique Muyshondt

It does seem like the extra data is stressing the performance of the phone. I'm not sure if it is the panorama data or just version 1.5. The main thing I see is that panning doesn't seem to work reliably. With V.14, as soon as I swiped the map it would go into a panning mode. With this version it works occasionally, but not most of the time. I haven't been able to figure out why it works sometimes and sometimes not. I use panning from time to time and I wish this worked better. Once it starts working it seems OK. It just doesn't start panning most of the time.

Do you have the 3G or the 3GS?
navxguy Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 04:46:16
Ok, I bit on Panoramic data. And like it. Softer graphics and more colors than non-Panoramic view. I haven't noticed any issues with panning, other than a short delay before going into 2D panning mode. Once there, works fine. There is no 3D planning on any version. I'm seeing better routing options and recommendations w/ MyRoutes even after a few days of use - or i'm foolin myself. Would love to see Traffic Patterns used to nullify the IQ Routing differentiation. And an updated map. But overall very satisfied w/ v1.5.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 03:43:09
Today I installed Version 1.5 and immediately added the panorama data. It doesn't show a lot of information driving while I am in Ottawa, Canada, but I suppose it will be nice in hillier areas.

It does seem like the extra data is stressing the performance of the phone. I'm not sure if it is the panorama data or just version 1.5. The main thing I see is that panning doesn't seem to work reliably. With V.14, as soon as I swiped the map it would go into a panning mode. With this version it works occasionally, but not most of the time. I haven't been able to figure out why it works sometimes and sometimes not. I use panning from time to time and I wish this worked better. Once it starts working it seems OK. It just doesn't start panning most of the time.

I can't recall if panning worked in the 3D view. I haven't gotten it to work in that mode, only in 2D, and then it doesn't work very often.

The data download was over 500 MB for the US and 270 or so for Europe. You have to be connected to WiFi/WLAN to be able to download it. It takes quite a while, but you can just leave the phone sitting while it downloads.

I was pretty happy with V 1.4 but less so with the bugs in 1.5.
wco81 Posted - 31 mars 2010 : 04:30:08
Does the 3D view or the Panorama give you a sense of those hilly, winding, narrow roads?

If it showed the infamous roads on the Amalfi Coast, that would be pretty useful to someone who's not familiar with those roads.

If you could see how the road winds around hilly terrain, then you'd know that when they give a distance calculation for a possible destination, it's the distance as the crow flies, not the distance on the actual winding roads you will be taking.
gpspassion Posted - 31 mars 2010 : 03:54:54
Nope, still the maps from the first version unfortunately. I mentioned this to my contacts at Navigon and they said they agreed that they needed to catch up with the Freshmap version (2009Q3 in the US and 2010Q1 in Europe, take off two quarters for the Navteq correspondence) for the next version.

In flat terrain you won't see any difference whether you have Panorama View on or off. As soon as it gets hilly it's pretty impressive though, even if PV v1 from 2008 was more dramatic than PV v2 introduced on the 7310 in early 2009 as seen in these comparisons in the FRA forums.
navxguy Posted - 30 mars 2010 : 06:18:31
No, not that I can tell. The most current Navteq maps include a new highway in Wisconsin; but Navigon's map still does not include.
corrado959 Posted - 30 mars 2010 : 05:48:03
Does anyone know if the new 1.5 update includes new maps?
navxguy Posted - 30 mars 2010 : 04:09:18
$9.99 doesn't seem like much to spend on a feature, but living in Chicago doesn't give me much to look at in Panorama View ... is there any benefit of Panorama View in flat terrain?
gpspassion Posted - 30 mars 2010 : 01:23:19
v1.5 is now available via the Appstore with available with : MyRoutes - Facebook+Twitter - Panorama View Option ($10)

Panorama View looks great on the iPhone, it's too bad it's an option though. MyRoutes is nice on paper (three choices of routes and supposedly learning of your driving habits) but will only really be useful if you know the area and have a preferred route.
navxguy Posted - 16 mars 2010 : 18:39:15
Navigon rolls out regional versions of US MobileNavigator (incl. in-app Traffic option) ... at introductory price of $24.99 (no end date mentioned).

Navigon MyRegion options ...




[Edit] Press Release w/ add'l pricing info ...

navxguy Posted - 26 févr. 2010 : 05:04:37
Any add'l features/updates mentioned by Navigon at the booth? (other than that which was in the press release)
gpspassion Posted - 26 févr. 2010 : 00:18:23
A picture of the new "social" features of the upcoming v1.5 (picture made at the MWC show in Barcelona last week) :

navxguy Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 20:34:55
that's helpful. thx!
gpspassion Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 20:10:40
They don't "say" anything, they just offer a choice of three routes, the difference being that they are shown so you can pick the one you like, it's nothing new actually, iGuidance or iGo have been doing that since 2007. It's nice on paper, but at the end of the day you just want your GPS to give you the best possible route as fast as possible.
navxguy Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 20:05:54
thanks for that background ... i know you said not convinced they use it, but to confirm do they actually say they use driving patterns in routing decisions? or is it like Garmin only in ETA calculations? ... also, would the 3 routing options be "optimal" "fastest" "shortest" or something else?
gpspassion Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 17:20:10
No they've had it for a long time on the PNDs in Europe it supposedly analyzes your driving patterns, can't say I've been convinced using it, but it does offer three alternate trips so if you know the area a bit you can pick the one you think is best.
navxguy Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 15:38:11
packing in the features ... nice!

Do you think the "MyRoutes" is using Navteq Traffic Pattern data? or just capturing individual driving habits?

[edit] I wonder if this bumps Navigon iPhone to IQ Routes status? very interesting
gpspassion Posted - 09 févr. 2010 : 12:56:56
Navigon have just given some details on the upcoming v1.5 update with pictures on their Flickr page :

- Panorama View
- Twitter and Facebook connections
- MyRoutes

gpspassion Posted - 15 janv. 2010 : 02:54:30
No they are from AroundMe, see the details in the message and in navxguy's message above.
wco81 Posted - 15 janv. 2010 : 02:19:06
Those screens are from the Google app. offering to send routes to Navigon or Google Maps (Cartes)?

Or post something to Twitter or Facebook?
gpspassion Posted - 15 janv. 2010 : 00:07:14
Indeed that's pretty neat, there will certainly be cases where it will complement the Google search of Navigon, especially if you're looking for a type of POI without knowing the name. You're not limited to your current position too, you can set it manually.

Did a brief test and made some screenshots of AroundMe :

navxguy Posted - 14 janv. 2010 : 17:20:30
Here's a new "feature" for Navigon 1.4, combining the prior two posts ...

AroundMe just launched and updated app with Navigon integration. And what's nice about it is that it's basically Google Maps integration with Navigon. So you search for your POI in AroundMe which has a simple interface, it's displayed on Google Maps, and you pick your destination and it launches Navigon to give you text-to-speech direction. Best of both worlds.

AroundMe is now sitting right next to Navigon 1.4 on my homepage ... Maps may drift back a few screens

gpspassion Posted - 06 janv. 2010 : 23:38:18
Well for a start it's much easier to you, type a place, find it, click GO. Beats switching from one app to the other, and cutting and pasting, that's really a no brainer.

As for the database, yes it's slightly different it seems, the location seems to be more accurate with Google Local.
wco81 Posted - 06 janv. 2010 : 08:58:55
How is Google Local different than just searching in Google Maps?

I realize you won't get turn by turn directions dictated to you.

But does Google Local have a better database that Google Maps doesn't have?

Or if you wanted to find a gas station for example, GL has a POI database of gas stations near your location while in GM, you'd have to search for "gas station" or "Shell" or something like that?
navxguy Posted - 03 janv. 2010 : 04:57:19
... should have assumed
gpspassion Posted - 02 janv. 2010 : 19:03:57
Thanks, I have a direct channel of communication with them but so far, no news, probably some bug on their server in Europe, my guess is that it will be fixed on Monday.
navxguy Posted - 02 janv. 2010 : 18:47:14
On the first day v1.4 rolled out in US, some people (incl. me) experienced server issues w/ Google Search (nearby feature wouldn't work) ... Navigon confirmed on Facebook/Twitter, and w/in 24hrs it was fixed. You might check there or communicate w/ them there ... good luck!
gpspassion Posted - 02 janv. 2010 : 17:33:49
Good, a European problem only then, let's hope they fix it quickly ;-)
caryrae Posted - 02 janv. 2010 : 16:20:26
I am still getting traffic info and am able do a google search for US version.
gpspassion Posted - 02 janv. 2010 : 12:11:44
No more LIVE traffic or GOOGLE Local in Europe since yesterday, any similar problems with the USA version ?
navxguy Posted - 20 déc. 2009 : 16:56:57
I must post my experience ... the v1.4 GPS fix is much improved. It now mimics the Maps speed and precision ... in fact, the other day i was inside (interior room w/o windows), and I received a 'lock' ... now it was using 3G triangulation, but my prior location was miles away from my house, and w/in 20 seconds, the map screen went from 'red status GPS' to 'ready to navigate' pin pointing my location (or at least w/in 50m or so) ... amazing improvement from v1.3

navxguy Posted - 18 déc. 2009 : 06:25:06
Wow ... w/o doing anything, Google Local Search started working properly. I understand that Navigon recognized that some customer's searches weren't being handled properly on one of their (or Google's) servers ... got it fixed, works like a charm. Now we just need distance and direction arrows to show proximity (like our good 'ol Nuvi), and allow Google Search to be used w/ 'on route POI', and an 'avoid' button on turn-by-turn segments, etc ... it's coming along nicely.

And thanks Paul ... Nice list and descriptions
paulkbiba Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 14:47:31
Navigon has made a whole slew of changes in 1.4. Here is the press release describing them all:

Google Local Search

#149; Enhanced pedestrian mode

#149; Turn-by-Turn Route List Provides a detailed list of directions, which update automatically during navigation; eliminating each maneuvers in real-time.
#149; Audiobook Mode Drivers can now enjoy even more of their iPod while in-route music and audiobooks without missing MobileNavigator#146;s clear text-to-speech navigation announcements. In music mode the volume is automatically reduced during the voice announcement. Now while listening to audiobooks and navigation, playback is automatically paused and rewound for one second while directions are given, and resumes playing when the directions stop.

#149; Coordinate Input Employ longitude and latitude coordinates as a destination as an alternative to traditional input like an address or POI by name. Email geographical coordinates for precise location identification.

#149; Emergency Help Tapping one of the predefined categories such as Police, Hospital, Pharmacy or Gas Station provides detailed textual description of current position sorted by distance. Includes list with the street name, zip, city, distance to next big intersection, and geographic location. Emergency Help tells you exactly where you are, so you can tell other how to get to you.

#149; Favorites displayed in map Destinations marked as favorites by the user are now displayed on the map in a named flag icon.

#149; Swipe Screen integration for Traffic Messages Users can browse Traffic Live messages with the flick of a finger.

#149; Contacts as interim destinations One-tap sets contacts as an interim destination. Using contact groups in the phonebook as interim destinations is now also possible.

#149; GPS display enhancements If the iPhone GPS signal becomes too weak during navigation, indicated by a red bar on the top of the display; MobileNavigator now calculates the approximate position and shows the estimated position in the map (grey positioning indicator) to provide better orientation. Active route guidance remains switched off but continues normal navigation until a valid signal is available.

#149; 3D map zooming As they navigate, users can now zoom in on the map section both in the 2D and 3D display using the iPhone#146;s intuitive fingertip control.

#149; Country Info When the user crosses a country border, pointing out the country#146;s most important traffic regulations #150; such as the maximum permissible speeds or alcohol limits.

#149; Faster start-up
gpspassion Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 14:22:41
You shouldn't have to worry about setting the location, that's the old (and clumsy) Navigon POI search method, just hit the "Google" button at the bottom of the page and type your text.
navxguy Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 07:39:32
Google Local Search isn't giving me any results when I use "Current Location" default - even though I have GPS lock ... I have to put a word or description; and a specific location to get good result list. I wonder if the range of 'current location' search is small area?

Any suggestions?
paulkbiba Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 04:40:36
I just downloaded it and the Google connection is fantastic. Works like a charm. Even though the App Store still only shows 1.3, iTunes detected an update and downloaded 1.4.
navxguy Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 04:07:18
Navigon v1.4 is out in USA ... downloading now. it's about time!
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 16 déc. 2009 : 14:53:50
OK. I probably just made a wrong assumption since I used to pay yearly for my TomTom traffic subscription when I had a Windows Mobile phone. I couldn't find anything that said it was one way or another on the Navigon site so I wanted to clear up my own confusion. Good to know. I purchased US and European subscriptions and I'm happy that they are good for life and I won't have a recurring expense.
navxguy Posted - 16 déc. 2009 : 07:03:43
As far as I am aware, it's lifetime ... and looking forward to v1.4 in NA. We're at 2 and a half weeks and counting for approval process ... I'm wearing out the 'Check for Updates' button in iTunes!?!
gpspassion Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 16:28:26
It's always been described by Navigon as being "lifetime" what makes you think it might be for one year only? Wonder what the problem is with v1.4 in the US too, maybe the Google Local search feature or new maps that aren't quite ready.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 04:54:24
I don't know what the holdup is, but v 1.4 still hasn't shown up in the US store (neither the US nor the European version). I also wrote to Navigon to try to find out if the traffic subscription was a lifetime or one year subscription. They haven't answered yet. Does anybody here know the answer?

I thought it was for one year but someone in the AT&T forums says it is a lifetime subscription.
gpspassion Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 01:51:51
Been using v1.4 quite a bit lately to go to places I wasn't familiar with and found the Google Local feature to be priceless, just type where you need to go and you'll get results in a second or less courtesy of the 3G+ connection. On the TomTom GO x50 with its slow GPRS connectin it can take up to 5 seconds to get 5 results and again 4 seconds if you need to ask for a second page.

A smaller thing, but you can now also cycle between ETA and TTD (Time to destination) by tapping on the info field (that exta field needs to be activated in the options).
navxguy Posted - 08 déc. 2009 : 22:59:07
Here's the first complete list I've seen of the potential 13 features in v1.4 ... can't confirm since i'm awaiting US approval.

1.4 New features list:

- SOS / Direct help
- Google Search
- Enhanced Pedestrian Mode
- Turn-by-Turn route list
- Manual 2D/3D zoom while navigating
- Favorites are displayed on the map
- Country info when crossing borders
- Switch between audiobooks and music (iPod mode)
- Browsing traffic messages
- Intermediate destinations with phonebook entries
- Using phonebook contact groups
- Faster boot time
- Coordinate Input

thanks to Picazzo


Updated on 12-16-2009 ...

Now that I've had a chance to use ... some add'l features:

- GPS accuracy shown on Map page
- Audiobooks display in app
- Podcasts don't show in app, but can be started outside and played during navigation
- "POI on route" doesn't allow Google Local Search, but GLS can be used under "Add an Interm Destination"
- Turn-by-turn list is good, but doesn't allow any edits (block a segment)
- "Save Position" allows you to mark a spot; e.g. parking spot, etc

What am I missing?
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 17:59:57
Cool! I missed being able to set a fixed zoom level when I switched from iGuidance to TomTom a while back. TomTom lets you zoom (on Windows Mobile, at least) but then returns to what it deems the appropriate level after a few seconds. I prefer to tell it when I'm ready for it to go back to autozoom, like Navigon appears to do now.

When V 1.3 came out it took a day or so for the update to make it to the US. Hopefully tomorrow or the day after I will be able to try it out myself.
gpspassion Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 17:32:57
Yes, you just zoom in/out with the usual "two finger expand/squeeze", then when you want to go back to autozoom, you tap "autozoom" at the top of the map as seen below, I played it with it a lot at first ;-)

Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 17:25:53
An Austrian site mentions that the new version also allows manual zoom during routing/navigation. I would really like that feature. Most of the time I'm OK with the auto-zoom, but there are many times I'd like to set my own zoom level. Can anyone confirm that this new feature is included?
leoj Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 17:19:30
@Klopus, thanks for the post on the 1.4 update, they seem to be dribbling this info out bit by bit. I agree that the route directions have been something I've really wanted, even though you could always review a route map, it was never quite satisfactory for me. I also like being able to input coords and search Google for POIs. Any idea when we'll get this update?
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 17:06:49
Ver 1.4 is not available in the US store yet. I own both US and Europe versions. I also tried setting my country to Germany (where I sit as I type this), but eventually I got a message that my iTunes account is only authorized for US purchases.
klopus Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 05:38:00
My prayers were answered - v1.4 has turn-by-turn directions, see Navigon has a really strange way of announcing new features - on Flickr before their own site. Go figure...

gpspassion Posted - 06 déc. 2009 : 02:28:56
Not sure about the US, but v1.4 is available un Europe and the new Google Local feature is a pleasure to use, very fast searching (at least in 3G) and relevant results. It makes up nicely for Navigon's "challenged" POI searching.
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2009 : 11:37:41
Yes it's interesting how the GPS software editors are now communicating when they submit an app, not sure whether Apple appreciates the extra pressure to get it approved quickly ;-)

The Google search is an excellent idea indeed, at last we are seeing some more "connectivity" on the iPhone GPS apps.
klopus Posted - 02 déc. 2009 : 06:17:16
Navigon showed on Flickr ( pictures of already submitted to Apple for approval 1.4.0 version. As far as I can tell additions are:

- Enhanced pedestrian mode
- Built-in Google POI search
- Ability to enter location by coordinates

Internal Google search is nice (personally don't care much about other 2 features) but I would've much preferred to finally have such basic things like rout preview as a turn-by-turn list and ability to block certain parts of rout.
corrado959 Posted - 27 nov. 2009 : 03:07:59
Thanks gpspassion!
gpspassion Posted - 27 nov. 2009 : 02:27:33
Yes, it's via GPRS, no external RDS TMC receiver for the iPhone avaialable so far...and unlikely to be made available in the future given the "connectedness" of the iPhone ;-)
corrado959 Posted - 27 nov. 2009 : 02:23:05
Do you need cell coverage for the traffic to work?

gatorguy Posted - 20 nov. 2009 : 19:46:38
A heads up that Navigon should have a sale going on for their iPhone app from Nov. 20th thru the 30th. Save $20 on the app or $5 on traffic.
gatorguy Posted - 12 nov. 2009 : 00:09:53
Yes, it's at least partly based on Inrix traffic data for the US. The giveaway was the reference to 1.3 million traffic probes.
gpspassion Posted - 11 nov. 2009 : 22:43:31
Yes, it's impressive on paper, but have you tried it ? So far in Europe it's unimpressive for the reasons I highlighted above. Is it also by Inrix in the US ?

Tonight I did a direct comparison to TomTom's much critisized HD Traffic feed (FMD) on the 950 and I was surprised to see the 950 do better, as it correctly showed the full traffic jam, while the Navigon thought for some reason it had cleared up. I'm disappointed because I would have thought that FCD was more accurate than FMD.
caryrae Posted - 10 nov. 2009 : 14:56:01
Traffic Live employs crowd-sourced real-time speed data from over 1.3 million drivers including other Navigon app users, commercial fleets such as trucks and taxis, and regular drivers with a GPS system. The feature also utilizes an intelligent fusion of information from traffic cameras, road sensors and conventional traffic messages coming from ClearChannel’s Total Traffic Network.

Navigon Traffic Live is offered as an In App Purchase for $24.99. The app can be purchased for an introductory price of $19.99, till next four weeks
gpspassion Posted - 10 nov. 2009 : 00:26:47
Good to hear, I'll just go ahead and rename the thread and put a note in the first message. Curious to find out what the traffic looks like in the US, in Europe it's pretty poor so far with tons of "fake" incidents, such as being alerted to traffic problems at toll gates when it's merely people slowing down to pay the toll...FCD (Floating Car Data) is not all "magic" ;-) I'm also being alerted to events not on my route but in a general radius it seems, e.g. on a 10 km trip tonight there were supposedly 34 incidents on my route :
caryrae Posted - 10 nov. 2009 : 00:14:38
Navigon 1.3 is out if you want to start a new topic or not.

-Navigon Traffic Live in U.S. (in app purchase)
-Extended map area search after destination input
-Launching the app in landscape mode is possible now
paulkbiba Posted - 30 oct. 2009 : 16:59:06
Navigon is at v1.2 in the US. They say that traffic is coming, but they have never said when it will arrive or on which version number.
gpspassion Posted - 30 oct. 2009 : 14:36:46
Really ? I was under the impression that traffic came with v1.3 ? In the USA only maybe ? Maybe it still needs some fine-tuning !
darthpaul Posted - 28 oct. 2009 : 02:16:14
The 7 digit post code went live via an in App purchase earlier today.

It costs £1.19 - the 1.3 maps must include the actual data - because there is no furter downloading, the purchase just unlocks it.

Any news of when traffic will appear in the UK? On Navigon's twitter page the UK isn't even mentioned :(
gpspassion Posted - 22 oct. 2009 : 13:42:33
Yes, the UK has zip codes with 7 numbers and in some areas you can't find an area unless you have that zip code, still seems a bit extreme to charge for it!
klopus Posted - 16 oct. 2009 : 01:41:02
Navigon today announced that they submitted Live Traffic update for EU to Apple. As it's customary looks like US version will be announced in next 2 weeks. For UK they also will have paid post code search. Kinda bizarre to pay for such a simple thing. Or is it something inherently more complex with UK codes than with US zip codes?
kyteflyer Posted - 14 oct. 2009 : 16:51:22
Subsequent to my previous message I have found out that the Navteq maps of Australia are seriously lacking in the information department, so in most cases its the map provider not the software. Navigon is a good looking bit of kit, but in Australia, doesnt do the speed stuff very well (apparently it works somewhat in capital cities). Likewise, the same applies to the other apps which use Navteq rather than the Aussie Sensis/Whereis (oh except tomtom which for some reason, even having the info, chooses not to let its software access it. Cams yes, overspeeding no. grrr. I'm left with Sygic as my best option)
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 11 oct. 2009 : 22:13:36
I have seen the speedcams work in Germany just a couple of weeks ago. You do have to be navigating to a destination and drive by a camera. Just driving around I think only shows an icon on the street but doesn't seem to provide any warnings, at least if you are not going over the speed limit. I haven't done a thorough test, though. Could it be that there just aren't any speed cams in the Australian database?

The overspeed works too, but you have to exceed the speed limit by an amount you set up under Options-> General Speed Limits. I didn't try this with the European version but it does work in the US.
gpspassion Posted - 11 oct. 2009 : 13:13:53
You mean neither feature works at all or not fully ? Overspeed seems ok here, I activated speedcams this morning, will check again tonight.
kyteflyer Posted - 11 oct. 2009 : 02:52:30
Anybody having success with speed cam and overspeed warnings? Aussie version allows setting up but doesn't deliver at all
klopus Posted - 08 oct. 2009 : 04:46:33
Yes, I also keep iPhone vertical and not only because of better reception. I prefer to see more rout ahead than more surroundings. I used iPhone for the few last trips. Yesterday for comparison reasons I switched back to my standalone Garmin 755T and was surprised how I missed Navigon's real 3D map display and portrait orientation, all this despite iPhone's smaller screen. Though you can't change voices, TTS on Navigon is also better in terms of clarity and correct pronunciation of street names. It's also "richer" with pointed words like "now".

Hope Navigon will add live traffic, rout step by step display and avoidance. If this happens I probably will seriously consider sending my Garmin to eBay.
paulkbiba Posted - 06 oct. 2009 : 22:35:58
Just got back from San Francisco where I used my iPhone 3G and Navigon for the last 10 days. The software performed just fine and took me back and forth wherever I needed to go. Nothing unusual to report. The iPhone performed perfectly in San Francisco and never lost a GPS lock. I kept it in portrait mode as I got better reception that way. A winning combination as far as traveling goes.
gpspassion Posted - 03 oct. 2009 : 11:59:07
You need to press on the last button on the bottom right in to get more options, including the trip planning mode.
jdr Posted - 03 oct. 2009 : 06:25:32
I can't figure out how to enter trip planning mode so I can manually enter a starting point per the suggeston of GPS passion. Please advise.
Also, has anyone found an online manual?
gpspassion Posted - 19 sept. 2009 : 03:00:57
Actually I was referring to the availability of the app, not of traffic ;-) Can you repost your comments about CoPilot in its topic -> - thanks !
klopus Posted - 18 sept. 2009 : 23:05:51
@gpspassion Your front page announcement about Navigon's being first with live traffic isn't entirely true. Navigon was just first to announce it, not to deliver. Actually with live traffic ALK CoPilot beat Navigon to the punch with immediate availability today. They just announced Premium Services across all regions for $19.99 per year. To be fair one time Navigon's fee seems to be lifetime (whatever this means). Besides other goodies CoPilot's Premium Services also include live POI search (something Navigon didn't announce) and I believe custom POIs. To top it off they promised free quarterly map updates and web page for users to enter their own map corrections. And CoPilot is still $35. Here's the link:

Granted in US CoPilot has very bad reviews on the AppStore (as opposed to EU) mainly due to their dismal maps which as I understand aren't Navteq or TeleAtlas sourced. Today they updated US version with new maps but it's too early to tell from users' reviews if anything changed and if the map is still proprietary. Quite a paradox that CoPilot has inferior maps in US considering that they are located in Princeton, New Jersey.
wco81 Posted - 18 sept. 2009 : 16:20:47
Yeah my Nuvi flashed red in France about speed control. I didn't know it had that feature at all and don't see in the menus where to disable it.
Enrique Muyshondt Posted - 18 sept. 2009 : 15:07:46
I was in an early to mid 2000's vintage VW station wagon. I don't know what kind of windshield it had. The effects I saw were not too bad and it still beat having to carry around an AIO unit. My co-worker was impressed how in a couple of seconds I found my hotel in the POIs and we were navigating. He's now going to get the app for his newly acquired iPhone.

I didn't know the camera database was illegal in Germany. I did know about Switzerland. The application just says "traffic control" when you approach a location and puts a red dot on the road you are traveling. The dot then fades away after you pass it.

The few times I've used iPod control, it has no noticeable effect on my iPhone 3GS. The S really does stand for Speed :)

One other little nicety is that as you pass a POI pictured on the map, it fades away behind you. That is, it doesn't just disappear at once. As it get further behind you it fades until it is almost invisible as it goes off the screen. Not a killer feature, but it shows some thought was put into the map display. It's just eye candy, but nevertheless nice.
gpspassion Posted - 18 sept. 2009 : 14:03:46
Haven't seen these positionning problems on the app, only slow recaculations in v1.0 that have now been fixed, any chance you were in a car with a coated windhsield ?

Careful with the speedcam alerts, it's illegal to use that feature in Germany (in Ireland and Switzerland too), hence it being off by default.

Used the iPod control feature the other day and found it made my iPhone 3G and Navigon rather slow, might be better on the 3GS.

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