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 [TOPIC] HP iPaq 310, 3x0 - Reviews - 03/2009 EOL

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gpspassion Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 01:07:17
UPDATED 20090309 : HP has finally put out the iPaq 310 owners of their misery, so to speak, by confirming that it will no longer be updated and that in fact they are no longer in the PND market. This was their full statement : "HP is no longer in the PND market and has no plans to introduce a new model. We continue to include GPS and LBS applications like navigation in our smart phones, but will not release any new pure PNDs going forward." as forwared by a forum member.

While the PND market has certainly become difficult, one can't help but think that HP didn't make the most of the iPaq 310 released in late 2007 with stellar features (800x480 screen, AGPS, iGO8's "liquid navigation") but was then poorly supported, with confusing software and map updates and not very functional PC companion software. All is not lost however as some enterprising souls have found ways to "customize" the iPaq by adding WiFi for instance.

UPDATED 20080629 : New update for the iPaq 310/314, see the details in this new topic

UPDATED 20080414 : New update for the iPaq 31x series, see the changelog on page 52.

UPDATED 20080124 : Wishlist for the iPaq 31x series - see >> this topic << for details and to add yours.

UPDATED 20080111 : a software update dated 20071206 is available via the Content Manager

UPDATED 20071117 : Customizing the iPaq 310 - see >> this topic << for details.

UPDATED 20071105 : first user review by rockymtnwulf on page 6 with pros/cons and pictures.



HP Website : Product Page
NEW - Video preview >> HERE << - More pictures >> HERE <<

Among the 5 new mobile devices announced by HP today, see details, the iPaq 310/314 is the one that stands out, at least GPS wise, as it is a GPS "Tablet" with groundbreaking specs :
  • 4.3" screen with a 800x480 resolution - to be compared to the 480x272 of the current 4.3" AIOs like the Garmin 6xx/7xx and TomTom x20

  • 600Mhz Centrality Titan DualCore platform - this is the new generation of Centrality platforms with a built-in GPS module. The 600Mhz Titan is rated at an equivalent of 2 Million correlators, to be compared to the 200,000 of the SiRFstarIII chipset and 200,000 polygons in OpenGL

  • "Autonomy" feature - on-board autonomous calculation of the ephemeris data normally broadcasted by the actual GPS satellites and required to compute a position. Downloading live ephemeris data requires a good signal level and always takes a minimum of 30 seconds when the transmission isn't interrupted by loss of signal (buildings, trees, etc...). Up to now, a workaround was to download the ephemeris data from a server, like SiRFinstantFix or NEX do, see this topic for more about that. With "Autonomy", they are computed directly on-board to get rid of the connection requirement, something that's made possible by the power of the CPU.

  • 3D Navigation - Judging by the screenshot above, the map rendering seems very advanced, with genuine 3D, something only available in Japan up to now. It even seems more advanced than the upcoming Nav'n'GO/MioMap 2008 that will be limited to well-known landmarks and terrain model
    UPDATE - based on the video linked above it appears that the software is customized version of Nav'n'GO v8 (i.e. Miomap 2008) and will not have full 3D rendering, only certain buildings

  • Built-in RDS TMC in Europe

  • WinCE 5.0 OS

  • 2Gb flash memory

  • MSRP : $449

  • NEW - Video preview >> HERE <<
  • - More pictures >> HERE <<
Questions, comments?
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psycogeek Posted - 15 sept. 2009 : 21:44:47
They www.naviextras.com now have Q2 2009 maps avilable YAY, update (this time) It cost me only about $60 for all of US , including a new free Dem, and the 12Mill pois updated.
took many hours of dowloading , server must be more taxed than before, as they acted slow.
Size went up on the flash drive space usage, but it still fits.

this might be important, the DEM data which was free, used a different Name convention , before it was na_USA.dem, the update put on USA.dem ?? or mabey the software had changed it or something?
i donno, but if you run out of space, check for junk and repeats, ALL of US and CAN will fit in the 1.7g space with space leftover , so its still viable even if it is larger.
spook45 Posted - 15 sept. 2009 : 03:49:42
quote:
Originally posted by wrhobson

Spook: Did you update your ATC to include the latest street maps? Are you a pilot? What do you plane on replacing your ATC with? How much do you think a used ATC will bring? Thanks.



Iam not a pilot (wish I was though). My dad had his private pilots license and I flew with him in his Tri-pacer years and years ago. I have the iPAQ 310 and used it as a road GPS device. I have not yet updated the maps at naviextras (yet) but there are others here on the forum that have. All that is necessary is to download their PC software, I think it is call Tool Box to your PC and when you run the software with the device connect it will see it as a supported device and tell you what updates (and their cost) are available. I have not heard any negative reports about naviextras but pleae do your checking just to make sure.
wrhobson Posted - 14 sept. 2009 : 22:13:39
Spook: Did you update your ATC to include the latest street maps? Are you a pilot? What do you plane on replacing your ATC with? How much do you think a used ATC will bring? Thanks.
spook45 Posted - 14 sept. 2009 : 21:32:24
quote:
Originally posted by wrhobson

Folks: I bought the Control Vision ATC (Ipaq 310) back in May and ended up returning it because I was so disappointed with the age of the street data base supplied in the unit and the inability of Control Vision to give-a-crap about the problem. All I got was a bunch of shoulder-shrugging and an almost "not my job" attitude from them. Do I understand correctly that you guys have found a way to update the street data base (clearly Control Vision's responsibility but they don't seem to see it that way) on your own? The street data base that came in my unit (even after multiple attempts at downloading many GB of updates) was 2007. Thanks.



It appears the Control Vision has purchased some of the HP iPAQ units for use with their Flight Mapping software. If you need to update the road maps you can do so at the naviextras site (www.naviextras.com). As you probably already know, HP no longer supports this navi unit.

Hope this helps you out.
wrhobson Posted - 12 sept. 2009 : 23:18:32
Folks: I bought the Control Vision ATC (Ipaq 310) back in May and ended up returning it because I was so disappointed with the age of the street data base supplied in the unit and the inability of Control Vision to give-a-crap about the problem. All I got was a bunch of shoulder-shrugging and an almost "not my job" attitude from them. Do I understand correctly that you guys have found a way to update the street data base (clearly Control Vision's responsibility but they don't seem to see it that way) on your own? The street data base that came in my unit (even after multiple attempts at downloading many GB of updates) was 2007. Thanks.
patruns Posted - 12 sept. 2009 : 23:01:45
quote:
Originally posted by psycogeek

quote:
Originally posted by patruns

Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package.

patruns, what is the "version" info on the maps themselves ? as seen when you go to SETTINGS (in the first screen) then SYSTEM then ABOUT, then click on the GLOBE, which shows the maps "about" stuff.



Sorry man. Been away and almost forgot about this forum. It says 1st quarter 2009 Tele-Atlas maps.
psycogeek Posted - 28 juin 2009 : 21:57:42
quote:
Originally posted by patruns

Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package.

patruns, what is the "version" info on the maps themselves ? as seen when you go to SETTINGS (in the first screen) then SYSTEM then ABOUT, then click on the GLOBE, which shows the maps "about" stuff.
patruns Posted - 17 juin 2009 : 15:07:38
Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package. Even over cable, this was a long process. Took about 4-5 hours. Sometimes the download would come quickly, other times not so much. Also, each download goes through the installation process first before the next download begins. That definitely slowed things. I had to move all the old files first to my PC before installing the new files. Would be nice if they simply were overwritten. All is done now and it seem to work fine. I'll try it out this weekend and see how it performs.
psycogeek Posted - 17 juin 2009 : 10:44:21
quote:
Originally posted by sutojl

[ed - see PM] I called support and escalated the "out of memory" when searching POIs.
There is an update now on www.hp.com support drivers.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&prodNameId=3544503&swEnvOID=2051&swLang=13&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=hh-70633-1

Thanks for posting this, i wouldn't have known of it's existance if you had not posted it.
the "download" is very simple to apply, it IS the entier POI database (by states), slightly larger than before (i wonder about any updated changes in it). you bust out the zip, and copy these new POIs where they were on the IPAQ flash disk, and this fix is then done.

It doesnt make any changes to actual programs (software) only to the database. (someone might want to know that).
I am still testing it, haven't seen any problems, but i only had one problem before, which was solved by keeping searches tight and defining as many parameters as possible, so the quantity of items was small.
patruns Posted - 10 juin 2009 : 17:38:21
I have not bought any maps yet, but the dates for the US maps are listed as 1st quarter of 2009.
wrhobson Posted - 03 juin 2009 : 23:11:27
Thanks for the update. I went ahead and returned the unit out of frustration. Can you do me the favor of letting me know what the effective date of the latest maps are? And, if you wouldn't mind, can you tell me if Columbus Circle in Okatie South Carolina 29909 is present in the latest maps from Naviextras? Thanks.
patruns Posted - 03 juin 2009 : 21:02:27
Naviextras is now supporting the device as an HP product as opposed to an iGO My Way device. I do not know whether they will offer software upgrades in the future but map upgrades, POIs. safety camera POIs and 3D packages are available, some on sale.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 21:43:28
Thanks. I wish I could buy/load just one state so I can tell if this is worth doing. I emailed Naviextras about the mis-identification and they suggested contacting the mfg (I already know THAT won't help) but also said that "though user expreience showed that this model (the 310) can be updated with Naviextras Toolbox, officially it is not supported. I guess it all rests on how intelligent the Toolbox software is vs how intelligent the program expects the user to be. I am not knowledgeable about the structure of these internal and external memory doodads and what goes where. If their software is smart enough I shouldn't need to be so I'll probably give it a try.
gpspassion Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 17:24:39
I didn't bother doing the update for my iPaq 310, but you should check the detailed write-up of psycogeek here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96823&whichpage=77#848073 as he went through the same process you did.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 17:02:41
After downloading a 1.7GB "update" from HP that turned out not to be an update at all I'm a little gunshy (and over my head) with much of this PDA stuff. I went to Naviextras and got their Toolbox but when it ID's my device it sees it as an "I GO MY WAY 8". Is there anything inside this 310 that is "permanent" like software or is everything loadable? I'm concerned about doing so much "updating" that I render the device totally inoperative. I've been away from PC's for many years and never did get involved with PDAs before this.
k000 Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 16:14:30
wrhobson - remember to put the latest updates for the s/w from the links above... HP was very bad with sending out of date s/w.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 14:20:05
Thanks so much John. I wonder why HP doesn't publish this info. Their tech support was quite matter-of-fact about the fact that no updates were available and would NEVER be available. WTF! I can live with the other minor problems the unit exhibits but not having streets in my area that were put in 5 and 6 years ago is a deal-breaker for me. If I can get the streets data base updated once in a while (even if I have to pay for it) then I'd probably keep the unit. Thanks again.
johnb Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 14:13:51
You can buy map updates from Naviextras. See these threads for more information

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96823&whichpage=77#848073 [ed]

http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1321000

https://www.naviextras.com/shop/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=1869&offset=10
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 14:06:41
Imagine my surprise at reading this post just after purchasing one of these turkeys. I bought my unit on 4/22/09 and can you believe nobody told me (before) that it would come with maps that were YEARS out of date and that it could NEVER be updated. I can't believe a company like HP would pull this. I have filed a complaint (just fot the Hell of it) with the FTC and will be trying to send this obsolete gadget back for a refund. What a scam!
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 13:59:31
I just bought an HP 310 and have that sour taste in my mouth left behind by being "had". The device has maps in it (at least in my area) that are YEARS old. But, the REAL problem is that HP no longer offers any data base updates for the product (something nobody tells you when they are trying to sell you the product!) Apparently they made this announcement (sort of) back in March of this year. I'm quite unhappy about this revelation and have filed a complaint (although I don't expect it to do any good) with the FTC. I also was exasperated by being unable to delete a POI that got inadvertently added while I tried to figure out how to use the unit. The printed material that arrived with the unit was worthless and the CD that was supposed to provide the user documentation was littered with broken web links. HP's product manager for this unit should never be allowed to work in electronic consumer products for the rest of their career.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 13:58:40
I just bought an HP 310 and have that sour taste in my mouth left behind by being "had". The device has maps in it (at least in my area) that are YEARS old. But, the REAL problem is that HP no longer offers any data base updates for the product (something nobody tells you when they are trying to sell you the product!) Apparently they made this announcement (sort of) back in March of this year. I'm quite unhappy about this revelation and have filed a complaint (although I don't expect it to do any good) with the FTC. I also was exasperated by being unable to delete a POI that got inadvertently added while I tried to figure out how to use the unit. The printed material that arrived with the unit was worthless and the CD that was supposed to provide the user documentation was littered with broken web links. HP's product manager for this unit should never be allowed to work in electronic consumer products for the rest of their career.
k000 Posted - 08 mai 2009 : 15:14:54
quote:
Originally posted by sutojl

[ed - see PM] I called support and escalated the "out of memory" when searching POIs.

There is an update now on www.hp.com support drivers.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&prodNameId=3544503&swEnvOID=2051&swLang=13&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=hh-70633-1

Thanks,
Joe




Thank you so much - this one bug made me sell one of my 310s... my wife is still loving her 310 and POIs are almost un-usable with that error.

Will give it a try.

Thanks a lot for posting !
sutojl Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 20:10:35
[ed - see PM] I called support and escalated the "out of memory" when searching POIs.

There is an update now on www.hp.com support drivers.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&prodNameId=3544503&swEnvOID=2051&swLang=13&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=hh-70633-1

Thanks,
Joe
ModemJunki Posted - 07 avr. 2009 : 00:28:41
So, HP is discontinuing. Maybe (maybe!) the OEM navi software vendor will support the unit with map updates, but software fixes are not likely, it seems.

And it's cool to see that the map updates do work, very nice! I'll whip out the credit card for that!

If Nav 'N Go/IGo did sell a standalone software, could it run under the Oasis menu the way the existing software does? Or was that part of the HP customization, to make it run in the background all the time? I guess the question is that when Igo 8.3 becomes available, could someone buy it and plonk it into their unit and leave the Oasis front-end alone and have everything "work"?

Or would it have to run from an SD card (locked to the card), with mods to the unit so it would work?

I realize that the unit can be unlocked, but that doesn't fix the map updates/navi bugs and features concerns.
johnb Posted - 24 mars 2009 : 10:37:33
Additional maps.

If you copy your map and other related data to the SD card you can install new maps on the iPAQ main memory from naviextras using the Toolbox and (since presumably the licences are still in the main memory) the software will search and use maps in the main memory and on the SD

see the post by Brent Brownfield Mar 23, 2009 23:44:51 GMT at http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1321000
psycogeek Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 14:40:11
Worked
i checked 2 places , by driving over them, that the old maps had completely wrong, that changed 2 years ago, and they were correct this time.
then i scrolled about america a bit to insure that the rest of the maps actually exist, and as far as i can tell they are intact.

psycogeek Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 12:34:35
quote:
Originally posted by johnb

Hope it works. As the iPAQ 31x isn't yet on the list of supported devices they are unlikely to give you your money back if it doesn't work.

Well sombody had to try it, and because i am using the old original software, and would gladly PAY for a legally licenced update of the maps, i took one for the team :-)
thanks to your links and sancho's, i was able to get enough info to have a fair idea of my level of sucess.
gpspassion Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 12:30:21
Hard to comment on their actual overall "quality" but these are the latest and greatest -> http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/news.asp?id=119
psycogeek Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 12:20:35
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Interesting and which map version did that upgrade you to?

2008.10 teleatlas still.
(probably only 2 years old maps now :-)
I go for a drive now and see if my missing places are there.
johnb Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 12:14:46
Hope it works. As the iPAQ 31x isn't yet on the list of supported devices they are unlikely to give you your money back if it doesn't work.
gpspassion Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 11:30:25
Interesting and which map version did that upgrade you to?
psycogeek Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 09:36:26
and arent there also issues with eventually running out of free space available on the IPAQ 2Gig internal card too?
because with ALL usa and canada maps, its some 1.4G (minus the software there) already, then all the extra junk that is in the folder, plus my junk that i tossed in there.
I saw some maps for another software, and they were Way HUGE, no way would they fit in the original hole, without tossing something.

right now i am hoping to just get a few missing places cleaned up on the maps that i have now, so i am not obsoleted so quickly.

i HOPE if they do another upgrade, there will be the usual discount for people already sucked dry for other things :-) I think if they offer the NEXT software, it could be a little more changes and mabey kludgey to keep all the HP junk the same way it is TOO. at the least they are going to have to work for that one :-)

so far it was pretty cool, i was able to ONLY update the USA maps at a reduction (vrses canada too) and the price was less than $100, close enough for me.

the other choices i saw there at NAVnGo (or whatever) were stuffing me with some cruddy SDcard that i was condemed to, YUK, i hope that isnt the next "upgrade" because that will be a huge step backwards.

continued :
so far here is what i learned. (most has already been said)

Register at naviextras https://www.naviextras.com/shop/portal/
your just becomming a User there, like for the forum and all. e-mail confirm , and log in
the next thing in your face is the Download for the naviextras toolbox (7.5megs). it doesnt use MSes stupid installer, so that was a really clean easy install.

Run the program, which allows you to backup your original, using backup&restore. to simplify things i just copy the whole IPAQ disk myself, no use guessing what that thing is gonna do, or where i put stuff.

go to MyUpdates, and select the stuff there you want.
the First thing i did was a TEST, to insure that things would go as planned. i downloaded the Free SpeedCam update.
after a download in the upper right corner is a "instalation wizard" and you run it and it just installs the stuff.
so far i wasnt out a penny testing if this process was going to work with all aspects of my system.

knowing that worked, i then proceeded to make a purchace, there is no PAYPAL that i saw, it used credit card stuff.

after the purchace i HAD TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM, this was probably the only point of confusion.
Status is Shown in the bottom left corner , it told there that i had to restart the toolbox.

once i re-ran the program, it showed the updates available is the "My Updates" section.
after fumbling a bit around there, somehow the 2 updates i purchaced poped to the top, with a download button.
punched both download buttons , for parrellel download of the purchaced items.
3hours download on superfast cable broadband, 1.1G of data.

after download, then i run the "instalation wizard" again, and it just plopped the files on my HP showing a progress bar the whole time. mabey took 15-20min.

right after i was done using the program, i lost connection ability to my various ports, requring a restart of my BigPc. and now the HP is in a reboot loop reboot right after the nav software completly loads up. (probably some changes i had in there)
FIXED, this was because i had pulled the games Folder before the update, poor thing, got all flustered :-)

now i will backup the entire disk,just like before manually.

a check of the files, shows many states have added sizes, and a new "waters" file showed up. Ex california has an added ~300k of data

NOTES: it was indicating how large my update would be and how much space i had available, it displayed that my update is bigger than my space available (obviously) i figured it would be overwriting the old maps, so i did not worry about the size issues it displayed, but i DID move out my Games folder and other stuff that I had placed in the IPAQ partition, to insure a smooth flow, without any overruns on size. after the update i tossed my junk back in.

This version of naviextras does not support the activesync connection protocol (it tells me). I already had mine set for Mass storage, as i wasnt going to wait for activesyncs slower transfer.

more notes:
a Licence file was backed up in the folder i selected for backup (backup & restore section) so the location for backup could be important even if you dont use it for backup

did it work? YES
johnb Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 09:33:19
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
But are you aware of the possible release of iGO v8 R3 in the near future? Hopefully it will be available for purchase for iPAQ 31x users using the Toolbox.

The potential problem is v8 R3 cannot use the maps for which are used by the current iPAQ iGO 31x v8 R1 software so it will be bundled with new maps. See also
http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1319288
psycogeek Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 07:54:00
thanks for the news about possible map updates, that is just what i wanted, updates to the original.
I am going to try and take a crack at it
Pierre gave the best ENGLISH description of what to expect, and what occurs, there.
http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1321000
i just hope it goes at least as well for me.
Sancho1234 Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 20:59:30
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsanchoblogja.blogspot.com%2F&langpair=hu|en

You can buy a map, but there is no software update.

The Naviextras Toolbox is not an official function, but not warez. HP did not. The NNG secret to help the users.
johnb Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 18:13:23
It has already been asked - see the answer dated 4 February 2009 on iPAQ 31x thread on naviextras.com "I have heard some promising news about some HP devices, but I do not know any details yet."

I don't think there will be any more news until the software for the iPAQ 31x is available to purchase.

Sancho1234 Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 16:48:44
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
I will ask the hungarian Naviextras support about this question. Ok?
johnb Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 16:16:02
Although it has not been announced officially, it seems as though Naviextras (iGO) is moving towards providing support for the iPAQ 31x. There are reports of being able to buy maps, 3D packs, and speed cameras using the new Toolbox software(the HP Content Manager replacement). No software updates yet.
More information http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1319288
earnest Posted - 22 févr. 2009 : 13:17:25
I want to update my ipaq 316. I downloaded HP iPAQ 316 Travel Companion - Russian (English) Operating System and Map Upgrade. If I replace only \OS and \Bluetooth folders without \NAV because I use other version of Igo shall I miss something with the licenses?
patruns Posted - 10 févr. 2009 : 19:39:10
quote:
Originally posted by HPGps

For anyone dissatisfied with their iPAQ 310 should take a serious look at the Pioneer AVIC-F500BT. I already had two iPAQ 310s and couldn't pass on the opportunity to pick up the AVIC-F500BT for $200 two weeks ago mainly for the 5.8" screen. I find the AVIC-F500BT superior to the iPAQ 310 in almost every way except battery life. I plan on selling one of the 310s and keeping the other for those occassions when a smaller unit is warranted.



I think I learned my lesson about buying PNDs from companies that are not generally in the GPS business. Seems they all want to "test the waters" and then abandon ship if things do not meet projections.
serczer Posted - 10 févr. 2009 : 10:18:22
quote:
Originally posted by HPGps

For anyone dissatisfied with the iPAQ 310 should have a serious look at the Pioneer AVIC-F500BT. I already had two iPAQ 310s and couldn't pass on the opportunity to pick up the AVIC-F500BT for $200 two weeks ago mainly for the 5.8" screen. I find the AVIC-F500BT superior to the iPAQ 310 in almost every way except battery life. I plan on selling one of the 310s and keeping the other for those occassions when a smaller unit is warranted.

that's nice in PL price is ca. 860 USD
HPGps Posted - 09 févr. 2009 : 22:57:11
For anyone dissatisfied with their iPAQ 310 should take a serious look at the Pioneer AVIC-F500BT. I already own two iPAQ 310s and couldn't pass on the opportunity to pick up the AVIC-F500BT for $200 two weeks ago mainly for the 5.8" screen. I find the AVIC-F500BT superior to the iPAQ 310 in almost every way except battery life. I plan on selling one of the 310s and keeping the other for those occassions when a smaller unit is warranted.
patruns Posted - 14 janv. 2009 : 18:10:10
Well, mine is back once again from HP. This time it was because when using Bluetooth, the other party could not hear me. I sounded garbled and like I was using a string telephone. And this was with an iPAQ 510 phone! I don't know what they did, but it is much better now. Still waiting on the update to correct out of memory errors during POI search and inaccurate routing to Manhattan addresses that are in my address book. (Manual routing is fine.) I suspect this is as good as it will get. I have issues with the iPAQ 510 as well that HP says can't be fixed. I will never buy a HP product again, even if they give them away.
RikJ Posted - 14 janv. 2009 : 05:10:50
Full SKU ID FA976AT#BAN
RikJ Posted - 14 janv. 2009 : 05:05:08
Mine was an FA976AT - Purchased online in the UK
gording01 Posted - 02 janv. 2009 : 01:12:46
quote:
Originally posted by RikJ

I am pleased to advise I have just received a cheque from HP for £161 in full refund of my iPAQ 314
Bought the iPAQ in May and had support cases logged with HP from June! Eventually asked for a refund on the basis that the iPAQ was not fit for purpose because:
  • POI's, particularly petrol stations were hopelessly inaccurate.

  • Speedcam updates would not load.

  • Occasional reboots during navigation

  • Occasional reboots when entering address

and, (probably the point that got the refund) that it did not function as advertised because TMC was not available in the UK.




Your iPAQ 314, was that a FA976AA, FA976AT, FB077AA or FB079AT??

I'm trying to work out what the difference is between these versions of the 314 and whether some are better than the others... HP's website doesn't give much help on this...
RikJ Posted - 21 déc. 2008 : 03:02:14
I am pleased to advise I have just received a cheque from HP for £161 in full refund of my iPAQ 314
Bought the iPAQ in May and had support cases logged with HP from June! Eventually asked for a refund on the basis that the iPAQ was not fit for purpose because:
  • POI's, particularly petrol stations were hopelessly inaccurate.

  • Speedcam updates would not load.

  • Occasional reboots during navigation

  • Occasional reboots when entering address

and, (probably the point that got the refund) that it did not function as advertised because TMC was not available in the UK.
k000 Posted - 08 déc. 2008 : 20:38:06
What a pos and a shame... my unit is back 4th time from HP. Unit still crashes or hangs or freezes on seaching for POIs. Lame excuse from them is that they could not reproduce the error. How is that possible ? Ican reproduce the error each and every time without fail, and I ahve given them detailed instructions also ??

Does anyone know what is HP's liability ? Can I get my money back ?
Pedernal74 Posted - 13 nov. 2008 : 19:56:44
Hello EricP,
I' m from Spain, and you're right, Barajas airport (Madrid) and other importants airports are missing in the POIs as I could see in a travel to Madrid. I think that there is a problem in the last version of the POIs and I was waiting for a new update, but we will see...
The coordenates for Barajas (if it helps) are +40° 29' 36.00", -3° 34' 0.00"
Regards
EricP Posted - 12 nov. 2008 : 22:13:34
HP 314 Airport POI's in Spain Question:

There seems to be a problem with Airport POI's in Spain. If I search from the centre of Madrid, "Airport" doesn't even show up in the list of POI-types... ???

If I do the same for Paris, it shows it with at least 10 different airports within a 104 km radius...

If I try it for Santiago de Compostela (in Spain) I get up 1 airport at 45 km distance (Aeropuerto de Alvedro)

(I have updated to the Mars 2008 version... For my FB077AA#BAP (English International) there was first a problem with the map of Spain.. Only a part of the North-East Spain showed up, so I was forced to copy the Spain files from the English UK update file...)

Could anyone try this too, to see if you get any Airport POI around Madrid..?

Thanks in advance,
Sancho1234 Posted - 12 nov. 2008 : 21:20:32
quote:
The US site doesn't list the 310 as discontiued, so I'm not sure what to make of it...
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF09a/215348-215348-64929.html


HPs changed the list again! http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF09a/215348-215348-64929.html
gpspassion Posted - 12 nov. 2008 : 18:54:57
Yes, this device had a great potential, being ahead of the competition with the stunning iGO 8 software and 800x480 resolution, and HP totally blew it, no marketing effort to speak of, no TMC, shameful really.
RikJ Posted - 12 nov. 2008 : 18:10:31
I've had a series of complaints with the unit logged with HP support. I have now asked for a refund on the basis it is not fit for purpose (POI crashes, inaccurate POI's etc) and it does not work as advertised (TMC not available in UK, Speed Cam does not work).

They have just called me back to advise they understand my disatisfaction and will call me in a couple of days to process.

Real shame as the screen is great but there are too many flaws with the product and I really wanted the TMC. Now the unit is discontinued I doubt there will deliver any significant updates so we will probably be stuck with all the problems.
numbsock Posted - 04 nov. 2008 : 19:14:35
Does this mean we won't see any more updates? Man i swear if that happens i'm never gonna buy a HP product EVER AGAIN!
shpitz461 Posted - 04 nov. 2008 : 19:00:54
quote:
Originally posted by johnb

According to the HP UK web site the iPAQ 314 has been discontinued
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF09a/215348-215348-64929.html

So possibly no more updates? Has anyone asked HP Support recently?



Interesting...

The US site doesn't list the 310 as discontiued, so I'm not sure what to make of it...

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF09a/215348-215348-64929.html
johnb Posted - 04 nov. 2008 : 18:50:57
According to the HP UK web site the iPAQ 314 has been discontinued
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF09a/215348-215348-64929.html

So possibly no more updates? Has anyone asked HP Support recently?
JesusPassion Posted - 31 oct. 2008 : 19:20:39
Does someone already know or hear something about the new update HP should be released in september?
SakvaUA Posted - 27 oct. 2008 : 09:20:19
quote:
Originally posted by karpov55

Hi everybody at GPSpassion! First time writing here.

I have iPAQ 316 for Eastern Europe and use it in Ukraine since July 08. Everything was almost ok until I downloaded the update for operation system and maps from here (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=ru&cc=ua&prodNameId=3544304&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544279&swLang=33&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2051)
It was announced as Russian Operation System and Map Upgrade as of 5 Jun 08.


That's probably happened due to version incompatibility. You have not the Russian but Eastern European version (different SKUs FA977AA#ACB vs FA977AA#B1Q). Try to install correct version. I believe this one
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544279&swItem=hh-61601-1&mode=4&idx=0

EricP Posted - 23 oct. 2008 : 15:30:33
..please read at point 2:

GoTo, POI (of course), Point on Map..
EricP Posted - 23 oct. 2008 : 14:18:07
quote:
Originally posted by shpitz461

quote:
Originally posted by EricP
Why can't I just choose "GoTo", "POI" and then choose "POI in a city" or " - nearby"..? It is just soo greyed-out..

How do you solve this..?

Thanks in advance,



Looks like you don't have a GPS fix, I wonder if that's why it is grayed out...



..I'm sorry.., I should have done a quick search on "quick search" first.., it is explained "all over" the forum..:
quote:
Originally posted by gpagent

quote:
Originally posted by DarylO
... and NEVER should a map be drawn inproperly so that elements from two different maps are mixed together.



Could you please post some screenshots of these messed up screens? I've never seen anything like it and I'm really curious...

quote:
By the way, has ANYONE been able to get the "Quick Search" button to work?



According to the user's manual (you've read it from cover to cover, right?! :)): "[quick search] Opens the list of previously saved search criteria (reference point, POIcategory, and POIsubcategory)."

To save a POI search, start doing a normal POI search and then press the Save button on the screen. This feature is meant to store frequently used search patterns such as "Flower shop around destination", "Shell gas station along route", "Wendy's around current location", etc.



It is just the bad implementation of the GPS software regarding to POI's.. The work-around would be..:

1. Search first on Address, then choose City Centre... (only to get your cursor there / somewhere)
2. Then choose GoTo, Point on Map, press the green "V" at the bottom-right...
3. NOW you can choose your POI's...

Greetings,
shpitz461 Posted - 22 oct. 2008 : 18:09:34
quote:
Originally posted by EricP
Why can't I just choose "GoTo", "POI" and then choose "POI in a city" or " - nearby"..? It is just soo greyed-out..

How do you solve this..?

Thanks in advance,



Looks like you don't have a GPS fix, I wonder if that's why it is grayed out...
EricP Posted - 22 oct. 2008 : 17:40:52
..tja.., the battery was just too empty for the USB contact to load..

Anyway.., coming back to an earlier question for the HP 314..:



Why can't I just choose "GoTo", "POI" and then choose "POI in a city" or " - nearby"..? It is just soo greyed-out..

How do you solve this..?

Thanks in advance,
EricP Posted - 22 oct. 2008 : 13:39:42
quote:
Originally posted by RG99

quote:
Originally posted by EricP
..but you don't want to get it turned off when being shortly at a gas station or do you..?


Why not? I don't mind if it turns off at the gas station or any other stop.
It comes on again very quickly with the ignition. I have to do nothing to start it.


..I am a newbie here with the HP314... and with InstantFix..

..I have been used using a PDA with a bluetooth antenna for many years with Navigon and TomTom on it..

..so then.., I couldn't agree more with you all..!

..oops.. ..just came back from lunch and now it is completely dead...! I can press power or reset however I want, without it coming to life... I don't understand anything what could have happened. ..looks like a repair job for HP...
RG99 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 22:33:25
quote:
Originally posted by EricP
..but you don't want to get it turned off when being shortly at a gas station or do you..?


Why not? I don't mind if it turns off at the gas station or any other stop.
It comes on again very quickly with the ignition. I have to do nothing to start it.
shpitz461 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 21:58:41
quote:
Originally posted by EricP
..but you don't want to get it turned off when being shortly at a gas station or do you..?



How many times you turn the car on and off compared to filling up gas? 100 to 1? I rest my case...
EricP Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 21:32:09
quote:
Originally posted by RG99

quote:
Originally posted by shpitz461
The thing that bugs me the most if that the device doesn't turn off when I turn off the ignition, the battery just drains out if the car is turned off, so annoying.



Yes. That's exactly what annoys me.


..but you don't want to get it turned off when being shortly at a gas station or do you..?
RG99 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 20:30:48
quote:
Originally posted by shpitz461
The thing that bugs me the most if that the device doesn't turn off when I turn off the ignition, the battery just drains out if the car is turned off, so annoying.



Yes. That's exactly what annoys me.
shpitz461 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 17:46:44
They said an update is coming in September, It's almost end of October and still nothing...

The thing that bugs me the most if that the device doesn't turn off when I turn off the ignition, the battery just drains out if the car is turned off, so annoying.
RG99 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 16:53:15
quote:
Originally posted by mitty
AFIK we wait for HP to get it right in some future release of the software.



Right. Thanks for the answer. I have always had great respect for HP, but this has disappointed me. Since their GPS software is bought-in I suppose updates are always going to be slow.
mitty Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 16:33:02
>And is there a known answer?<

AFIK we wait for HP to get it right in some future release of the software.

I bought my 310 knowing it was a train wreck software-wise (Thanks, GPSPassion) but with the faith that HP would keep at it until they got it right. Given the glacial pace of updates I am beginning to believe that faith was unfounded.
RG99 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 16:28:49
quote:
Originally posted by mitty

>The 'turn off if idle' doesn't work. ... Is this a known problem?<

Yes.



And is there a known answer?
mitty Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 15:59:19
>The 'turn off if idle' doesn't work. ... Is this a known problem?<

Yes.
RG99 Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 15:52:48
Does anyone recognise this problem?
The 'turn off if idle for....' doesn't work. Whatever setting I use it just stays on until the battery runs down. I have tried reloading all the software to default but no difference.
Is this a known problem?
EricP Posted - 21 oct. 2008 : 15:44:23
Hi !
one simple question..: if I want to search a POI around a certain destination (e.g. in a town), why gets the POI-Quick Search button greyed-out..?!?!?! This is a realy anoying "miss-feature"...

(buttons pressed: GoTo, POI..; no route in Route Edit menu..)

Anyone know a "simple" work-around..?

Thanks in advance,
karpov55 Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 17:47:29
quote:
Originally posted by shpitz461
Try to delete the 'save' folder and run the navigator again.



Thank you, but I gave it to service center already. If nothing will help, then I'll try to find this "save" folder and delete it.
adon Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 00:44:00
quote:
Originally posted by shpitz461

[quote]Originally posted by karpov55

Is there any chance to fix it? Thank you for your help!



I have this problem too after update.Can anybody help!
shpitz461 Posted - 06 oct. 2008 : 20:40:06
quote:
Originally posted by karpov55

Is there any chance to fix it? Thank you for your help!



Try to delete the 'save' folder and run the navigator again.
karpov55 Posted - 03 oct. 2008 : 10:24:56
Hi everybody at GPSpassion! First time writing here.

I have iPAQ 316 for Eastern Europe and use it in Ukraine since July 08. Everything was almost ok until I downloaded the update for operation system and maps from here (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=ru&cc=ua&prodNameId=3544304&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544279&swLang=33&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2051)
It was announced as Russian Operation System and Map Upgrade as of 5 Jun 08.

After installation the system just stop running. Just a message "The application failed to run last time" at the start up and that's all.

Is there any chance to fix it? Thank you for your help!
k000 Posted - 01 oct. 2008 : 17:24:37
yeah - I don't really know why HP dropped it so badly, that is what I feel. HP keeps sending me back the unit which still freezes / crashes every time I search POI in NJ.

I had heard that there will be new s/w release end of Sep, still not seen anything for 310 :(
gpspassion Posted - 24 sept. 2008 : 22:03:27
Sorry to hear that, actually it's partly my fault, I should have documented my tweaks better! Again I've stopped using it regularly due to the lack of support for Premium TMC, even for a fee and HP France confirmed it would never have it...final nail in the coffin; they really "messed up" the potential of the 314 over here, it was way ahead with iGO8, Auto-AGPS, 800x480, etc...and they barely marketed it (not available in the main stores unlike all the HP PDAs, no advertising, etc...Sad, really!
k000 Posted - 24 sept. 2008 : 20:33:43
[quote snipped] If there was a way to go back to that version I would love to. My 310 is back at HP again this week.
gpspassion Posted - 17 sept. 2008 : 22:09:31
Yes, that's one of the reasons I've stuck with my original modded version!
k000 Posted - 17 sept. 2008 : 22:07:06
I just hope that the good work done by various people on the mod thread works afetr Sep 2008 s/w revision.

My 2 iPaq 310 still hang whenever I search for a POI in NJ
gpspassion Posted - 12 sept. 2008 : 14:54:58
Thanks for providing these details, I checked my 314 and the maps are indeed date 2007.07, still the CM/Website updates are a bit confusing, let's hope the upcoming update will sort that out.
johnb Posted - 12 sept. 2008 : 14:50:29
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Good question, I'm not sure they ever released new maps for Europe although it had been announced, at one point a 2Gb update became available for download via their site but it was an alternate way to update than the content manager and there were no new maps, will need to give the content manage another try.


Is that true?

The June 2008 sp39113.exe (1.8 GB) update for the iPAQ 314 (Western Europe II region (WEU2): FA976AA#BAN, FA976AT#BAN) http://wittylink.com/x3921 contains maps with a later date than the original maps. After the update the Content Manager shows the installed country maps are now 2007.10 080215 (the Basemap is still 2007.07 080117). Oddly, the original 071017 maps are still the latest available through Content Manager. The sizes of the 080215 maps are (nearly all) different from the 071017 maps.

It has been said a further software update is due at the end of Sept 2008 - hopefully that will include another map update?
gpspassion Posted - 10 sept. 2008 : 02:05:30
Good question, I'm not sure they ever released new maps for Europe although it had been announced, at one point a 2Gb update became available for download via their site but it was an alternate way to update than the content manager and there were no new maps, will need to give the content manage another try. Without TMC support or an active cradle, I must admit I haven't been using the 314 that much lately, my models of choice being the GO930T/Navigon 8110 or Garmin 760/860.
Gallardo199 Posted - 10 sept. 2008 : 01:56:44
Thanks for the quick answer! By updatable, I meant through the content manager, to get last maps and infos.
gpspassion Posted - 09 sept. 2008 : 02:48:13
Welcome to the forums. Yes POIs would come with the map, not sure what you mean by "updatable" though? You can add yours if that's what you were planning to do.
Gallardo199 Posted - 09 sept. 2008 : 01:44:22
Hi all!

First post on this forum, but I read it a lot in the past. I got my 310 in December 07 (Canada) and been using it extensively since (almost everyday). It's my second unit, the first one broke in March (the sound had problems, like sreeching, and just stops). The new unit seems ok until now. I did all updates (Canada and US East coast maps, 3D, POIs, landmarks...).

Some may find interesting I mount the unit on a vent holder, instead of the mounting it came with. In fact, the 310 is located straight on the venting of the car, and I keep it always connected (I can find a picture if some are interested).

Finally my question. I plan a trip in Spain/France and I'd like the 310 to do the trip with me. From previoux posts, I understood the part I need is FB131AA (2Go Europe SD Card, approx US$140). I want to know If the Europeans POI will also be into that map and if all will be updatable.

Thanks for your help and continue the good work, particularly with the Cuztomize the 310 thread.
maca69 Posted - 04 sept. 2008 : 03:46:45
Just asking any Australian's out there did you get the speed camera warning working on you GPS after update. I did only update files seperately and have not get any speed camera locations bar the one's i have inputted.

What file is the speed camera information stored in POI?


quote:
Originally posted by Infama

This HP update concentrated on reworking the architecture, rather than adding tons of new features to shakey infrastructure.

I am told that the routing has been improved thru map optimization. Keyboard functionality is enhanced. System stabiity should be greatly improved (less freezes and crashes), TTS was made louder and clearer (with some voices re-recorded), POI enhancement done. Maps are the same release version, but improvements have been made to them.

Ozzies get speed camera data. Content Manager gets proxy feature and trip planning download feature.

For the near future, W. Europe and Singapore are expected to get free map upgrades (nobody else though). Finally, a full system update tool should be available in a month or so. I already told everyone that optional maps should be available for purchase in 2-3 weeks.

In case anyone wants to know how I know this...it pays to have good contacts! LoL

ungoy Posted - 28 août 2008 : 16:43:40
I bit the bullet and ordered me the Ipaq 310. When it arrives, I'll give my impressions of the device as well. :) Looking at what it offers, and the 3D maps and such, I knew that if I didn't get it I would kick myself. :)
njchen24 Posted - 24 août 2008 : 04:39:11
John:

No, I think my device has iGO 2006 or may be 2006 plus. At the About screen, it shows Audiovox Navigator Jul 5 2007 and Maps data source 2007.07

quote:
Originally posted by JohnCougar

Does your device use IGo8? Same developer doesn't mean much since I don't believe you can run IGo 8 maps with previous versions of IGo. IGo 8 also has 3d buildings, etc., which your device wouldn't have unless it runs the new software.

chop69 Posted - 23 août 2008 : 22:28:57
quote:
Originally posted by njchen24

Thanks for your information.
In this case, the map data and program comes from the same source TeleAtlas (different version 2007 for V7 and 2008 for 310) and from the same developper iGo. Is it still possible to have a different compression?
Could someone please try to find the following POIs on your 310?
Grand Lux Cafe (NJ and CA), Micro Center (NJ and CA) and Los Angeles Zoo. Does your PNA shows up any results?



Sounds like you are seeing the same thing I am. after the April update, a significant portion of the POI's in Texas disappeared. I'm in DFW and if I search for Starbucks, the only one that shows up is 40 mi away (which is obviously wrong.)
JohnCougar Posted - 23 août 2008 : 19:08:50
Does your device use IGo8? Same developer doesn't mean much since I don't believe you can run IGo 8 maps with previous versions of IGo. IGo 8 also has 3d buildings, etc., which your device wouldn't have unless it runs the new software.
njchen24 Posted - 23 août 2008 : 18:51:27
Thanks for your information.
In this case, the map data and program comes from the same source TeleAtlas (different version 2007 for V7 and 2008 for 310) and from the same developper iGo. Is it still possible to have a different compression?
Could someone please try to find the following POIs on your 310?
Grand Lux Cafe (NJ and CA), Micro Center (NJ and CA) and Los Angeles Zoo. Does your PNA shows up any results?
JohnCougar Posted - 23 août 2008 : 14:10:24
You are aware that different software, depending on the source, uses different methods of compression. IGo's entire GPS program uses close to the 1.62GB of your v7.
njchen24 Posted - 23 août 2008 : 08:06:44
I've read somewhere in this thread that the HP preload USA map has 12M POIs. I d/l this file and compare the map database with my actual V7 Nav 740 which does have 12M POIs. The V7 2007 map database is much larger than the HP. Here are a few examples:
Ipaq maps: CA (~54MB), FL (33)...
v7 maps: CA (~146 MB), FL (88)...
The v7 maps folder contains 1.62GB while the Ipaq contains only 811MB. Could someone please confirm that the Ipaq effectively has 12M POIs?
I contact HP CSR, but they don't know.

quote:
Originally posted by Villebon2

Did anyone used the "HP iPAQ 310 Travel Companion - English Operating System and Map Upgrade"?
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3544503&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2051


k000 Posted - 15 août 2008 : 20:25:46
quote:
Originally posted by k000

Does anyone know if HP is planning to fix the bug when it is crashing on atrying to lookup / add an POi to route ?



I've sent mine back to HP to analyze for crashing on adding POI... wll let you all know what they said / did
k000 Posted - 07 août 2008 : 18:17:26
Does anyone know if HP is planning to fix the bug when it is crashing on atrying to lookup / add an POi to route ?
gabx Posted - 27 juil. 2008 : 19:52:40
quote:
Originally posted by tissa

Hi,gabx
Could you give me the address (www) of the retail store in Budapest, Hungary, you bought the western europe map for ipaq 316



Hi, I bought it here: Plantrading kft,1132 Budapest, Visegrádi u. 42-46. www.plantrading.hu

Sancho1234 Posted - 25 juil. 2008 : 22:24:29
quote:
Originally posted by tissa

Hi,gabx

could you give me the address (www) of the retail store in Budapest, Hungary you bought western europe map for ipaq 316.

Yes, I could: http://www.pdamania.hu/shop/21296
tissa Posted - 25 juil. 2008 : 22:04:03
Hi,gabx
Could you give me the address (www) of the retail store in Budapest, Hungary, you bought the western europe map for ipaq 316
tissa Posted - 25 juil. 2008 : 22:02:14
Hi,gabx

could you give me the address (www) of the retail store in Budapest, Hungary you bought western europe map for ipaq 316.
tissa Posted - 25 juil. 2008 : 21:50:10
quote:
Originally posted by gabx

Hi, I bought it in a retail store in Budapest, Hungary. Costed approx. 145 USD incl. VAT. Could have ordered it online, but it was easier to walk half a mile as they had it in stock.

Online prices I have seen in Hungarian online stores were slightly higher (approx. 160), dont ask why...

HP part number of the map card is FB131AA. It works perfectly(no backup DVD was included, just a card), however it bugs me that I cannot have my mp3 SD card plugged in while navigating with the WEU map...

I have found it also on HP website: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06c/A1-1059235-1063685-1063685-81076013-81076013-81695134.html





call911ok Posted - 11 juil. 2008 : 23:18:51
I've bought this unit for my dad as a present. I wouldn't recommend the 310. There are many better units out there that don't crash. :( I'm rarely sit in my dad's car and whenever he uses the GPS, it crashes when I'm in it. Every time. I'm extremely disappointed. It is the most disappointing piece of electronics equipment I've purchased, as bad as to the 'rechargeable' alkaline batteries that don't work after one use.
alehouse Posted - 09 juil. 2008 : 20:57:54
Is this unit worth the effort? For sale in the UK for £95(includes cashbask/rebate from HP) from ebuyer. From what i've read speaker is weak, software so-so, great screen. Has this improved or is it better to put other software on that works more smoothly?
chop69 Posted - 01 juil. 2008 : 14:39:54
This is not a new update. It is just a different way to get the current update. All the version numbers are exactly the same.

So k000 I would assume that your problems would still be there.
k000 Posted - 01 juil. 2008 : 14:26:44
Does anyone know if POI issues have been resolved in the new update ? Or when they are going to be resolved ? It's a pretty useless device wheh it comes to using POIs if NJ/NY area as it has been crashing when I pick any POI since last update...
call911ok Posted - 29 juin 2008 : 23:20:00
Hi gpspassion. Thank you very much for your important information informing us about the update~! I will miss it for sure without your post. Thank you!
gpspassion Posted - 29 juin 2008 : 15:32:47
@roeka - good catch, we have a 200806 Update topic http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=113780 and I added your 314 link. Seems it "short-circuits" the Content Manager, odd.
redbook55 Posted - 28 juin 2008 : 05:06:38
quote:
Originally posted by cgavula

The .LIC file is generated to work only on a specific SD card so will not work on a different card. You can't copy the files to a different SD card (for example, a bigger SD card) and have them work short of illegally breaking the copy protection. A number of folk have complained about the iGo protection scheme in the past(search the forums for iGo or OCN/OnCourse Navigator).

It's not HP, but rather iGo (who makes the navigation software HP is using) that came up with this licensing scheme.



I have read here to back up before any update. is this the back up offered in CM.

Also, how would I back up everything to a SD so that I could boot up from SD in case something went wrong and would such back up include Favorites and Contacts

Thanks so much
roeka Posted - 27 juin 2008 : 11:18:38
There is an update for the 314 (european version) too, and it says it contains new map data. [LONG LINK EDITED - SEE : http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=113780)
Has anyone installed this yet or has information about it ?

Regards roeka
numbsock Posted - 27 juin 2008 : 10:18:51
If your content manager doesn't have any updates for your ipaq then don't bother downloading this cus it's exactly the same. This download is for those that don't want to leave their ipaq connected to the pc for 8 hours to perform the update via content manager ;)

jyqureshi Posted - 27 juin 2008 : 02:27:35
Does this download contain the newer map version?
chop69 Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 22:08:24
I installed it and it is just a restore of what is currently available on CM. AppSuite 30555, Nav version Mar 7 2008, Driver Version 1.00.02

Still missing most of the POI's in Texas, I was hoping I just had a corrupt file.
mitty Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 21:27:12
I downloaded the SP, ran it, and it installed into my 310 with no apparent errors. It does contain USA map data, though, so it's probably not for non USA people. The 310 booted o.k. but I have not done any testing beyond that point.

It appeared to unpack all of its files onto my C:\ drive before transferring them to the GPS, so I suppose it would be possible for a brave soul to just grab the *.exe and other files that _should_ not be location specific.
serczer Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 21:17:54
downloading but not really sure what after. little bit afraid... does anyone knows if i have 316 i can use it? looking at bottom SKUs:FA974AA#ABA,FB086AA#ABA, FB087AA#ABA but i have FA977AA :(
and as previosly asked how it looks and what has been changed.
numbsock Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 16:01:26
Dated 12th June.. interesting!

omg 1.7 GB :o gonna download and try it out

Appears to be just a downloadable update for those that don't want to do it via content manager...
Villebon2 Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 15:36:27
Did anyone used the "HP iPAQ 310 Travel Companion - English Operating System and Map Upgrade"?
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3544503&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2051
mlandau Posted - 26 juin 2008 : 04:57:05
The holder broke on mine as well. I called HP support and they overnighted a replacement. I tried to tell the guy that the part was extremely breakable.
mitty Posted - 25 juin 2008 : 01:56:40
The tiny metal pins break out of the fragile plastic mechanism. Call HP. They sent me a replacement when mine broke the second day after the GPS arrived. If they get enough calls, maybe someone will figure out a redesign. I believe that the part number they sent me was 455683-001
brahmachari99 Posted - 25 juin 2008 : 01:36:02
quote:
Originally posted by maca69

Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem with there car mount bracket breaking? The part the comes over the top of the IPAQ and hold it in place. The IPAQ still hold in without it - just a weak spot in the design!


I have a problem with the top part too. With me, it just sits loosely on top and does not hold it down.
numbsock Posted - 23 juin 2008 : 12:22:14
Does anyone know when the next update for the 314 will be available?

I'm from portugal and the maps are a bit outdated :/
numbsock Posted - 07 juin 2008 : 13:59:22
Hi everyone!

I just bought the Ipaq 314 today. Looking forward to play with it =)

Although i read some bad reviews about it, somehow it looked much more interesting than those TTs and Garmins. Hope i won't regret it...

peace
CraigB Posted - 05 juin 2008 : 08:38:41
I don't know what changed, but I can now boot from the same SanDisk 4G SDHC that did not work before. Hmmmmm...

--CB
maca69 Posted - 05 juin 2008 : 02:44:02
quote:
Originally posted by CraigB

Just to be completely clear - SDHC cards are supported, but you can't boot from them, it seems. So, if you want to be able to boot from the SD card, make sure it's a 2G or less...


Just letting everyone know I can boot of my 4G Sandata SDHC with no problems so maybe cheaper brands that don't work.
xmarkuson Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 20:15:39
EDITED BY ADMIN : Discussion of illegal software exchange is against the forum rules. Thanks.
cgavula Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 18:33:01
The .LIC file is generated to work only on a specific SD card so will not work on a different card. You can't copy the files to a different SD card (for example, a bigger SD card) and have them work short of illegally breaking the copy protection. A number of folk have complained about the iGo protection scheme in the past(search the forums for iGo or OCN/OnCourse Navigator).

It's not HP, but rather iGo (who makes the navigation software HP is using) that came up with this licensing scheme.
xmarkuson Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 00:59:24
Hi all, hard to read all posts, but very interesting readings
Did lot of customization with nice results, but one thing doesnt let me sleep...
Did anyone figured out how to make working copy of SD card with Western Europe maps on IPAQ 316? There is some kind of lock by HP, which seemes to be pretty hard to override... I saw some posts concerning same problem, but with no results. I did play with combining different .lic and map files, but no luck...
Is there anyone with more luck or some more experiences how the lock works.

thanks
paulkbiba Posted - 31 mai 2008 : 15:32:31
No place to go, really. Report the map error to TeleAtlas. You can do this on their US site.
k000 Posted - 31 mai 2008 : 07:23:55
Thanks... that was me getting that weird route. Thank God it was not HP but iGo.... but where do we go from here :)
paulkbiba Posted - 30 mai 2008 : 22:34:06
Then it's probably a map error. I believe they all use the same maps.
ksrao801 Posted - 30 mai 2008 : 22:13:43
This is in connection with the routing from Fountayne Ln in New Jersey to Osprey Ct in New Jersey where Ipaq 310 routes via I95 and asks you to exit at a non-existing exit. This routing is in ALL the iGo and Miomap software I have checked with. EDITED BY ADMIN : Discussion of illegal software exchange is against the forum rules. Thanks.
Hagar Posted - 30 mai 2008 : 16:01:40
@serczer
You should state igoautostart=0 in the sys.txt file.
This way, the navigation app does not start automatically and you will not get any navigation warning sounds when you listen to music.
Just (soft) reset the device and start the music player.

I had the same problem. Listening to some music on the train, I got the warning 'you drive too fast...' . Funny the first time, but pretty annoying if you get it every minute.
Just turn off the auto navigation startup and reset.
When you press the navigation button, it will start up.
serczer Posted - 30 mai 2008 : 10:52:13
did you try to listen to music on your ipaqs on the back seat? i didn't find a way to switch of gps allerts or disuptios (which are probably from gps also). no way to have clear music on it :(. it's really only nav ipaq.
Ubu777 Posted - 30 mai 2008 : 04:15:56
quote:
Originally posted by maca69

Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem with there car mount bracket breaking? The part the comes over the top of the IPAQ and hold it in place. The IPAQ still hold in without it - just a weak spot in the design!


Lots of people have.

See the posts here - They had trouble identifying the right part the first time. The part number on the cradle (463601-001) would not show in their data base and they sent me everything but the part that broke. The part number you want is “455683-001 Automobile cradle (Black) - For HP iPAQs”. Both shipments arrived the day after talking with them at no cost and the new cradle had the new part number stickered over the top of the incorrect number.
jaredr Posted - 29 mai 2008 : 08:28:01
Hi Everyone,
If you get an Out of Memory Error window popup this is how I resolved it:

After doing the latest updates to my iPAQ 312 via Content Manager (March 08 updates I believe) every time I went to the map or selected a address to go to, an 'Error' window would pop up saying
"Out of Memory
Requested: 1163378873
Cache: 37493"
(The Cache number would change) and then it would crash and reset.
I contacted HP support and they didn't seem to know how to resolve it so they advised to uninstall the updates. I told them I didn't want to because it took 14+ hrs to download via Content Manager. Anyway I had full Flash backups and added the updates bit by bit to see if I could narrow down the issue.
I found that the problem was the existing track logs I had saved in \ResidantFlash\IPAQ\NAV\SAVE\TRACKS
They must conflict with the new NAV version (which is a bummer because I had some good tracks I wanted).
maca69 Posted - 29 mai 2008 : 07:00:14
Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem with there car mount bracket breaking? The part the comes over the top of the IPAQ and hold it in place. The IPAQ still hold in without it - just a weak spot in the design!
HPGps Posted - 27 mai 2008 : 04:31:51
I was in Atlantic City (NJ) over this weekend and when I searched on "Harrah", I got the "out of memory" error. But the unit didn't reboot.
Zelda Posted - 27 mai 2008 : 00:42:46
Just purchased an iPAQ 314.
Then spent much time reading this forum and I am amazed by all the talent and creativity I have seen here. Great stuff that I will soon apply and enjoy.
But I'm worried because I have not found how I can add US maps to my 314. Next Monday I'm flying to LA to spend vacation there and naively I thought I could install US maps.
HP does not even seem to sell US maps on SD card.
Can anyone help ?
gpsuser Posted - 25 mai 2008 : 15:53:38
I also experience a repeaded crash when I search for a restaurant POI along a route from New York to Mass (NJ is not included). I have reported this to HP, but have not received a response if they are aware of this issue. I have the latest updates from CM
dreamfly Posted - 23 mai 2008 : 08:21:37
quote:
Originally posted by gpsuser

I noticed that when I am using my 310 in my car and it is on the 12v charger for a while (like an hour), that the 310 get very warm, almost hot. Have others noticed this?



Yes I have. I even saw a message say something like battery is too hot.
jyqureshi Posted - 22 mai 2008 : 19:14:30
Well, now that we have confirmed that POI search needs fixing, HP are you listening????
Infama, can you pass this bug on to your contacts? :)
spook45 Posted - 22 mai 2008 : 18:08:19
quote:
Originally posted by jyqureshi

@paulkbiba

Would you do a test then, select a point on map in NJ, then search for "White Castle" around that point.
If it doesn't crash on you then I will try to update the NJ POI.



I tried your test and, at first, I found lots of White Castles in NJ. While scrolling through the list my unit crashed and rebooted. My unit was updated during its last time back in the HP T/S Shop.

Something is not right.

bob
jyqureshi Posted - 22 mai 2008 : 16:33:44
As I mentioned in my previous post regarding San Francisco trip where I was able to use the POI database of California without any crashes, and CA's POI database is split in two files and both of the files are bigger than NJ POI file.

The only thing I can think of is that NJ's file is corrupted.
k000 Posted - 22 mai 2008 : 14:16:12
Thanks jyqureshi and paulkbiba - I live in NJ and am having really hard time using any of the POIs at the moment(large POI database is one of the biggest factors in making 310 purchase for many).

I have seen couple of different scenarios
1. I can at least click on a POI from POI search and see the address, but when I try selecting it crashes
2. The search for POI itself would crash the 310....

In any of the above cases, it's a royal pain as the crash to boot time is anywhere between 1-2 minutes and I end up wasting that time while driving...

@ HP - can you please treat this as urgent request - to fix POI search and navigation for NJ POIs.

Others should also report if they see crashes for specific state POIs.
paulkbiba Posted - 21 mai 2008 : 23:54:52
jyqureshi: I tried searching your way and the machine does indeed reboot. It does not reboot if I just do a "simple" POI search. I noticed a small box pop up quickly that said "out of memory error". It probably isn't a POI error, but some sort of parsing error in the program that is returning too many results.
chop69 Posted - 21 mai 2008 : 22:53:53
I still am missing 95% of the POI's for Texas. See my post on page 66
jyqureshi Posted - 21 mai 2008 : 22:40:18
@paulkbiba

Would you do a test then, select a point on map in NJ, then search for "White Castle" around that point.
If it doesn't crash on you then I will try to update the NJ POI.
paulkbiba Posted - 21 mai 2008 : 22:07:56
I have all the latest updates and the NJ POI files work perfectly for me.

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