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 [TOPIC] Garmin Colorado 300 - User Reviews - v3.30

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gpspassion Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 03:10:16
TESTING - GARMIN COLORADO 300/400x
240x400 Screen - "Rocker" - MTK GPS - SD Card - AA Batteries
Latest versions : Main Software/v3.30 - GPS Firmware/v2.90



Product page on Garmin's site : >> link <<


UPDARTED 20100406 - Software v3.30 released for BirdsEye compatibility

UPDATED 20090922 - Software v3.00 and GPS Firmware v2.90 are available via the Webupdater.
UPDATED 20081015 - GPS Firmware v2.80 version available via the Webupdater.

UPDATED 20080409 : new v2.51 beta software available, see detail on page 6.

UPDATED 20080313 : A test unit has just arrived in the "GpsPasSion Labs" and first impressions are good. The map rendering is particularly impressive compared to the 60CSx, both in terms of speed and color. The "Rocker" is easy to get used to and more convenient than it seemed at first sight. The only concern is for the battery life that is well below the rated 15 hours. More comments and comparative pictures >> HERE << on page 5 and make sure you check out this excellent Colorado FAQ by g.o.cashers too.


Garmin Colorado 300 between the eTrex Vista HCx and the 60CSx


UPDATED 01/2008 : Product page on Garmin's site : >> link <<

Product page on Basspro : >> link <<
Original source gpsinformation via gizmodo[/center]


UPDATED 20071210 - The Colorado series is now official with the appearance of the 400 model on the Basspro online catalog

"NEW Garmin® Colorado 400 BlueChart GPS Unit

Make navigation simple with Garmin's Colorado 400 Bluechart GPS Unit. This full-feature, high-sensitivity Garmin GPS unit is pre-loaded with detailed, up-to-date Coastal U.S. marine charts including charts for the Great Lakes, Hawaii and Alaska.

Garmin Colorado 400 Bluechart GPS Unit features:
Pre-loaded with detailed Coastal U.S. marine charts including Great Lakes, Hawaii and Alaska
Unique ''Rock 'N' Roller'' input device
65K Color TFT display
240 x 400 pixels
16 hours on AA batteries
Accepts SD cards for optional downloaded maps
2-axis electronic compass
Altimeter
Temperature sensor
Waterproof
ANT™ Communications to wirelessly exchange routes, tracks, waypoints, and geocaches between two units
Paperless Geocaching supports display of detailed geocache information


Posted 20071209 - Looks like Garmin is working on a new "space age" handheld receiver !

Planned release date is purported to be the spring of 2008 according to mainesailor on gpsinformation : "I have had my hands on one of the prototypes, should be released spring '08. The large round button allows quick navigation to various functions from each page activated from options button on top right of unit (as you look at it.....opens a "window" on screen). Nice form factor overall, easy one handed operation and fast processor.

I work in a marine store and all the Garmin reps have 'em in hand to evaluate.

Nice unit, retail will be in the $500 + range, street price remains to be seen."
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gpspassion Posted - 06 avr. 2010 : 20:40:12
v3.30 update available, adds compatibility with BirdsEye maps, see http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/news.asp?id=446 for details.
gpspassion Posted - 08 oct. 2009 : 19:22:03
You can make your own raster maps for the Colorado, Oregon and Dakota now : Garmin's Guide for "Custom Raster Maps" and the tool is...Google Earth !
gpspassion Posted - 22 sept. 2009 : 18:55:26
v3.00 is out with new features, handling of all .img files in the Garmin directory and a nifty waypoint averaging application.

quote:
Changes made from version 2.90 to 3.00:
Added Waypoint Averaging application. (For more information visit our new Trail Tech website at http://garmin.blogs.com/softwareupdates/trail-tech/)
Added ability to load maps from any img file in the Garmin directory
Added ability to see a list of points from the map when several points are at the same location
Added customizable text to unit power-on screen (see \Garmin\startup.txt)
Improved render quality of GB Discoverer maps and maps with satellite imagery
Improved power on reliability
Improved connection reliability with Spanner
Improved appearance of depth data field when using big numbers
Fixed some scan points not working properly with Garmin GB Discoverer maps
Fixed issue with Garmin GB Discover maps not showing at some zoom levels with detail set to least
Fixed errors in user grid entry
Fixed the time label of the graph in Elevation Plot
Fixed selection of Leap Day on Calendar, Hunt & Fish and Sun & Moon pages
Fixed hunting waypoint symbols not transferring properly
Fixed issues with routing avoidances
ronbo Posted - 20 juil. 2009 : 18:51:38
Anyone know why I can't get my queries to show up on the Colorado 300. When you look in the folder, they are there but when I choose the Geocaching feature, nothing shows up. I get a "no matches found" message. Thanks.
gpspassion Posted - 27 mai 2009 : 11:15:45
You can now customize the startup and other screens of the Colorado -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=126101
gpspassion Posted - 28 mars 2009 : 18:58:07
The Garmin mount would certainly be a good choice, here are other alternatives -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=103327
bosshoss_16 Posted - 26 mars 2009 : 16:41:33
Does anyone know of a good window/beanbag/dashboard mount? I have been looking about and have found only one or two (mainly the auto kit from Garmin). I use mine a lot in the car and would LOVE to not have to hold it while driving!! Thanks!!
g.o.cashers Posted - 10 déc. 2008 : 00:00:18
It isn't as bright as some of the lower resolution devices out there but you get used to it.

As for battery life you can get at least 10-12 hours on a set of NiMH 2700mAh batteries, more if you are careful with the backlight, turn off the compass, etc. Battery life comparison of the 60csx, OR, and CO here.

tivoboy Posted - 09 déc. 2008 : 23:55:54
Hi, I have seen this unit, the 300 around for about 175$ now AR. I am concerned with what others have said about the BRIGHTNESS and BATTERY LIFE. Is it now up to par, and will it get a full day on rechargers?

How does it compare hardware wise to the 400? for the money, I don't think I would go up to the next CLASS of device for another 200$+
g.o.cashers Posted - 09 déc. 2008 : 00:36:44
Firmware 2.9 now available for the Colorado:

Changes made from version 2.80 to 2.90:

* Added support for Garmin GB Discoverer maps
* Added ability to view marine chart notes for marine points
* Added ability to change the date for the tide and currents charts
* Added support for marine fishing, nautical, and off modes
* Fixed a potential shutdown that can occur when panning the map that is showing satellite imagery
* Fixed issue with 3d view not showing proper elevation detail

Looks like Garmin is trying get GB Discoverer map support in the OR and CO so they can release that product!
g.o.cashers Posted - 01 nov. 2008 : 16:03:32
After two weeks of testing on the Colorado I've seen one "drift" which was about 150' and shorter than I would have seen with GPS Software 2.6. I believe Garmin has made some significant improvements but it might the location errors might not be 100% eliminated. Note the Oregon did something very similar on a different test.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 19 oct. 2008 : 20:43:44
Thanks, looking pretty good indeed! I must admit I have switched to the Oregon with its handy touchscreen and don't see any reason to come back to the Colorado at this point.
g.o.cashers Posted - 19 oct. 2008 : 15:18:10
Yes,

Here are several. The first two are with just Colorado (blue) against the 6m-7m wide reference track. The last one includes the Oregon (green), 60csx (red) and the Colorado (blue) against the same reference on a different day.

http://garmincolorado.wikispaces.com/file/detail/081015_CO.png
http://garmincolorado.wikispaces.com/file/detail/081016_CO.png

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/file/detail/081017_CO_OR_60csx.png

In all cases the Colorado did very well and I have another from yesterday which was also good, certainly no major drifts. I'll continue to test over the next few weeks but so far so good.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 19 oct. 2008 : 12:25:23
Thanks for the update, have you posted the new tracks on your "test course" ? Couldn't see any version numbers in the .rgn either.
g.o.cashers Posted - 19 oct. 2008 : 00:08:44
The new GPS 2.8 firmware does seem to fix the Colorado location errors. I've run 4-5 tests with the new firmware and the Colorado has done as good or better than the 60csx each time, something I did not see with the previous GPS firmware.

GO$Rs
g.o.cashers Posted - 19 oct. 2008 : 00:06:58
I've looked at the Colorado rgn file for the GPS firmware and I don't see anything other than strings like 2.8 (the Garmin version). v1.1 and 1.2

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 15 oct. 2008 : 09:53:57
Thanks for the heads up, wonder what FW version they're updating to, v1.94 on the Transystem Bluetooth Dataloggers had fixed most of the problems but it was released several months ago already, maybe a new one, will see if a hex reader can decipher any info.
g.o.cashers Posted - 15 oct. 2008 : 03:28:26
GPS Chipset Type M is available for the Colorado (and MediaTek based eTrex). Webupdater only.

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3733

I've done some quick static tests and WAAS is behaving a little strange but we'll have to see if this finally fixes the location errors that have been with the Colorado (and eTrex) for many months.

GO$Rs
John R Posted - 19 juil. 2008 : 20:07:53
Well, at least there is now the ability to search near a map point, but the implementation is unwieldy in my opinion. I would prefer to be able to scroll the map pointer to a given area and then search for POIs from there. To me, that seems simple, intuitive, and straight forward. Instead, it is necessary to go through the menus in the following sequence: Shortcuts..Where To?..Options..Search Near..A Map Point..(scroll to location)..Enter..POI.


Update Sep 12, 2008 - ver 2.7 released ...

Changes made from version 2.60 to 2.70:

Improved accuracy of altimeter for large altitude changes.
Fixed text writing on top of itself in some geocaches descriptions.
Fixed freeze when loading some geocaches descriptions.
Fixed issues with power off pressure trending.
Added support for downloading geocaches written using Groundspeak v1.1 extentions.
Improved map drawing performance in some situations.
Fixed 3D View not showing detail from supplemental maps.
Fixed waypoint and geocache symbols not updating on the map after being changed.
Fixed issue where the Colorado would temporarily stop responding after a spell search.
Fixed issue with elevation over time plot.
Fixed issue with position format not saving over power cycles.
Fixed issue with display of selected location config field.
gpspassion Posted - 18 juil. 2008 : 22:07:45
Version 2.60 is out, can't really see anything major new sinve v2.54 beta :


Changes from version 2.50 to version 2.60:
Added ability to turn elevation shading off, included in user profile settings
Added ability to log a comment with geocaching Field Notes
Added ability to save map selections to user profile settings
Added compass setting to saved user profile settings
Added tracback along current track
Added ability to determine public land survey or USGS Quad name for Topo 24k HD cartography
Added progress bar during software updates
Added error message when the max number of geocache or gpx files is exceeded
Added ability to search near a map point
Added ability to use the map to add a point to a route
Fixed shutdown when deleting a waypoint from the map
Improved odometer distance calculation
Improved Wherigo engine
Improved backlight behavior
Improved compass / GPS heading autoswitch behavior
Improved keyboard behavior in address & intersection searches
Improved behavior in low battery state
Improved behavior of turn-by-turn route recalculations
Improved map drawing to eliminate redraws when not necessary
Improved map drawing to reduce partial map draws
Improved map drawing to enhance appearance of trails
Improved usability of WGS84 by listing as a datum rather than just a spheroid
Improved automatic track archiving when archiving very lengthy activity segments
Improved button behavior when logging geocache attempt
Improved stopwatch timing
Improved distance precision when reviewing a point and tracks.
Improved inter-tidal color in non-marine colors
Improved readability of geocache_visit.txt
Increased maximum number of GPX files processed to 200
Corrected guidance text to not truncate streets when not necessary
Corrected behavior of proximity alarms in custom points of interest
Corrected potential issues that prevented user alarm from sounding
Corrected map drawing above 75 degrees latitude
Corrected potential issue when attempting to delete profiles
Corrected issue that generated extra waypoints at poweron when 'Mark Waypoint' was the first listed shortcut
Corrected potential issue preventing 'Waypoints' from being listed in 'Where to?'
Corrected issue that prevented poor signal strength messages from disappearing if a fix was achieved
Corrected calculated issue that prevented complete display of large numbers
Corrected specified schema path for GPX files
Corrected Dutch keyboard to include 'Z' for address searches
Corrected User Grid to retain settings between power cycles
Corrected User Grid to allow 'E' and 'W' for longitude origin entry
Corrected shutdown issue when unit has empty Saved.gpx file
Corrected issue of missing active route when you select 'GO' from the full screen map in geocache mode
Corrected issue when selecting a custom poi from the recent found list after it is removed from the system.
Corrected issue when selecting units on the stopwatch page using non-English languages.
Corrected issue when you spell a geocache and the list doesn't reduce when the keyboard auto-pops
Corrected issue where you can't get to a hint for a geocache once you set it to found then back to unfound
Corrected issue where the chart information option would show up incorrectly
Corrected duplicate entries in the other menu when in page loop mode.
Corrected external power lost message in non-English languages
Corrected issue with waypoint symbol selection shutdown
Corrected issue where the unit will hang when you try to restore a Wherigo cartridge.
Corrected potential shutdown going to mass storage mode when you have custom POI's loaded
Corrected issues with Cyrillic characters
bosshoss_16 Posted - 06 juil. 2008 : 17:18:59
g.o.cashers, how do you calibrate the barometer? What data do you use? Thanks.
g.o.cashers Posted - 06 juil. 2008 : 16:21:32
If you are willing to manually calibrate the barometer at the beginning of the day I find that the altimeter is pretty accurate after the initial calibration if you keep auto-calibration enabled.

When I leave the house in the morning I manually calibrate once and that usually works pretty well assuming no major changes in air pressure during the day.

GO$Rs
John R Posted - 06 juil. 2008 : 15:29:33
Since elevation can be determined from the basemap of the 400t, I normally keep auto-calibration turned OFF. Seems much more accurate and I get less drift. I have done a number of spot checks between the Garmin maps and the USGS elevation data, and they seem to be reasonably close.
g.o.cashers Posted - 06 juil. 2008 : 12:41:25
After a period of around 60-90 minutes you will see both values converge if you have auto-calibration turned on for the barometer.

GO$Rs
John R Posted - 05 juil. 2008 : 22:31:06
The satellite page uses a GPS calculated elevation which can be fairly inaccurate. It usually improves after the device has been on for a while and locks onto additional satellites. Your map page is probably giving you the reading from the barometric altimeter which, if calibrated, should be much more accurate.
bosshoss_16 Posted - 05 juil. 2008 : 15:35:01
Does anyone know why after changing batteries the elevation was off between screens? On my Map screen, it would say one, and then on the satelite screen there would be another. I think it was a difference of close to 200 feet. Thanks.
gpspassion Posted - 05 juil. 2008 : 00:27:53
Yes, the big news is the "Trackback", I tried it and it seems to work ok, but still nothing in terms of onboard track management.
g.o.cashers Posted - 02 juil. 2008 : 04:22:27
Colorado beta software 2.54 available:

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3891

Changes made from version 2.51 to 2.54:

* Added ability to turn elevation shading off, included in user profile settings
* Added ability to log a comment with geocaching Field Notes
* Added ability to save map selections to user profile settings
* Added compass setting to saved user profile settings
* Added tracback along current track
* Added ability to determine public land survey or USGS Quad name for Topo 24k HD cartography
* Added progress bar during software updates
* Improved odometer distance calculation
* Improved Wherigo engine
* Improved backlight behavior
* Improved compass / gps heading autoswitch behavior
* Improved keyboard behavior in address & intersection searches
* Improved behavior in low battery state
* Improved behavior of turn-by-turn route recalcuations
* Improved map drawing to eliminate redraws when not necessary
* Improved map drawing to reduce partial map draws
* Improved map drawing to enhance appearance of trails
* Improved usability of WGS84 by listing as a datum rather than just a spheroid
* Improved automatic track archiving when archiving very lengthy activity segments
* Increased maximum number of GPX files processed to 200
* Corrected guidance text to not truncate streets when not necessary
* Corrected behavior of proximity alarms in custom points of interest
* Corrected potential issues that prevented user alarm from sounding
* Corrected map drawing above 75 degrees latitude
* Corrected potential issue when attempting to delete profiles
* Corrected issue that generated extra waypoints at poweron when 'Mark Waypoint' was the first listed shortcut
* Corrected potential issue preventing 'Waypoints' from being listed in 'Where to?'
* Corrected issue that prevented poor signal strength messages from disappearing if a fix was achieved
* Corrected calculated issue that prevented complete display of large numbers
* Corrected specified schema path for GPX files
* Corrected Dutch keyboard to include 'Z' for address searches
* Corrected User Grid to retain settings between power cycles
* Corrected User Grid to allow 'E' and 'W' for longitude origin entry
gpspassion Posted - 28 mai 2008 : 16:54:51
Pretty speedy trip, eh ! Nope haven't seen any problem like that so far. I must admit I'm back to the 60CSx though. The Colorado's software must really be upgraded to bring it to the level of convenience of the eTrex and 60 series for regular outdoor use, at this point it only really works well for avid geocachers, maybe Garmin want to keep it like that...
shopsis Posted - 28 mai 2008 : 05:20:21
I installed software 2.51 to my Colorado 300 last night (yeah, I know. I'm slow). Used it on my commute home tonight. Lot's of birds - GPS accuracy 15 feet at start. Suburban route with no high rise buildings and no long underpasses. Weather cloudy, changing to light rain. Batteries freshly charged.

Watched trip computer during drive. Everything normal for the first 3 miles or so, then three fields: miles, overall average speed and moving average speed, went blank for a few minutes. Maximum speed, moving time. stopped time, and total time continued to work correctly. Then the after about 5 more minutes the three blank fields reappeared and jumped up to very high values.

Miles = 2748.2; Moving average = 4334 m/h; overall avg = 3871 m/h. !!!

total time was 42:36; moving time 38:03, so it did the arithmetic right. Anybody ever see anything like this?

Charlie
Automan Posted - 25 avr. 2008 : 17:19:07
Thanks again, indeed you are correct.
As long of course you can remember what the waypoint was called :)

It does seem a little "User Unfriendly" to me?

On 2.6Ahr rechargeable AA Cells today which seem to be a must unless you want to buy a new set of Alkaline AA every day.
g.o.cashers Posted - 25 avr. 2008 : 12:16:57
You can goto any waypoint from the Where To menu - you just have to use a different method if you want to go to one that is not in the list of the closest 50. You have two options

1) Where To->Options->Search Near will allow you to recenter your search area around another waypoint, POI, address, etc.

2) Where To->Waypoints->Options->Spell... will allow you to spell the name of the waypoint you want to search for, no distance limitations.

GO$Rs
Automan Posted - 25 avr. 2008 : 10:24:13
On further tests it would seem the factor is waypoint count with only the nearest 50 being displayed.
Odd, My primitive old ForeTrek 201 would let me go to any of my waypoints.
Now I have to find one close to my destination in the 50 displayed / made available and then pick the one I actually wanted.

I am not sure what would happen if you were using in an Automobile and the waypoint was 100 miles away and you have more than 50 waypoints on your device.

The "waypoint manager" option also only lets you correct / edit the nearest 50.
Surely an option called "Manager" should let you managed them all.

BTW, From Waypoint Manager, Delete All does in fact delete them all.
g.o.cashers Posted - 24 avr. 2008 : 00:50:46
quote:
Originally posted by Automan

You are not going to tell me the device has a limit of 50 waypoints are you?



Most Garmins limit the display of waypoints in the list view to the closest 50 waypoints. On the waypoint list hit Options->Spell and you can Spell out the name of the waypoint you are looking for.

GO$Rs
Automan Posted - 24 avr. 2008 : 00:50:46
Update On Waypoints
Well all 104 are on device but waypoint manager only displays local ones so no option to edit / delete ones more than 5 miles away.
Where To? option allows "Search Near" so you can enter a waypoint in the direction of one you need to find.

Is this just my unit are they all like this?

I am on the 2.51 beta
Automan Posted - 24 avr. 2008 : 00:36:26
Waypoints
I am still having a problem with these. In Mapsource I have 104 all over the South of England.
With Where To? or Others->Waypoint Manager none show over 5 miles away.

In fact I have just counted them on the device and I have 50.

You are not going to tell me the device has a limit of 50 waypoints are you?
Automan Posted - 23 avr. 2008 : 20:54:21
Many thanks for the tip.
It was in Auto and now is Off.
g.o.cashers Posted - 23 avr. 2008 : 16:09:05
quote:
Originally posted by Automan
Do I have to run everywhere? :)



Check your compass settings. If your compass is enabled (check if Settings->Heading->Compass is set to Auto) and you either don't have it calibrated or you aren't holding the unit level you'll get strange results when you are moving slowly. I recommend turning off the compass and only enabling it when you are stationary and need a bearing.

GO$Rs
Automan Posted - 23 avr. 2008 : 15:41:39
Out for my first walk today.
Seems okay accept arrow head for current position typically pointed left by about 95 degrees and it tended to show more on the map of where I came from rather than where I was going. Track up or North also did not seem to work properly.

However on a train coming home at 60mph plus the arrow head was correct and track up or north also worked as expected.

Do I have to run everywhere? :)
g.o.cashers Posted - 23 avr. 2008 : 01:25:36
quote:
Originally posted by Automan
Is it me, a bug, or a design feature?



This is how the Colorado works. Downloading data to the Colorado puts it in place (a file) so that the next time the Colorado boots it can read this data into its internal databases. Similarly when you connect the Colorado to your computer it will dump its internal databases back out into a file that Mapsource can read. So you have to go through the full download, power off, connect to computer, upload cycle before you can see your data come back out.

GO$Rs
Automan Posted - 23 avr. 2008 : 00:00:55
I got my 300 today and have a couple of questions / observations.
I already have Mapsource, current version on my PC for my Streetpilot & Foretrek devices. PC is Vista SPK1.
Plugged 300 in and drivers installed okay and retrieved my 2 waypoints plus the 3 garmin ones plus one track all with no problems.
Loaded a saved session with all my foretrek waypoints, about 100 and sent them to my 300.
I then did a file/new and a retrieve but all I got was the original 5 waypoints :(

Tried again, no better, installed provided CD just in case, no different.

As a further check I safely disconnected device and checked waypoints and they were all present!

Seems therefore to me mapsource was retrieving a cache version of the 300 device, perhaps vista trying to be clever?

Thus the workaround for that is to use the safely disconnect after any transfer.

Since then I have also updated the device from 2.4 to the beta 2.51 Tip, make sure you have fresh batteries in the device!

Lastly, I am having a problem with Where To?
If I select Waypoints it only lists ones less than 5 miles from current position.
I see no mention of any such restriction.

Is it me, a bug, or a design feature?
PENGFEI Posted - 20 avr. 2008 : 02:11:21
I received Colorado 400t. The internal memory is about 4GB, The freespace is 1.08GB, I can put City Navigator North America NT 2009 on it, then there is 64MB left. I doubt the waterproof performance with so loose battery compartment cover.
scotch whisky Posted - 20 avr. 2008 : 02:10:22
In other words it's useless for serious hikers (or even casual walkers) like myself.
Must haves are:-
1. Being able to see the screen. We hikers don't spend much time indoors!
2. Long battery life. Don't like carrying spare batteries because of weight.
3. Trackback. Pretty essential for any hiker.
4. Easy to store multiple tracks for later analysis.

I guess the Colorado is aimed purely at geocachers and is not indended to compete with or replace the Etrex H or 60/76C(S)x series.

gpspassion Posted - 19 avr. 2008 : 16:43:49
I'll check out the link, thanks. Before I do that let me try to answer your questions ;-)

As you will see from my comments in the first message and the problems reported on g.o.cashers' site, the Colorado has some issues that may be hard to fix to bring it to the level of reliability and usability of the 60/76CSx or eTrex H series. It certainly has a "wow" factor, stellar display...indoors, very fast map zooming compared to the sluggishness of the 60/eTrex/edge models, but next to that there are the screen legibility problems outdoors, the battery life, the lack of basic features like Trackback, the confusing management track management, etc...Apparently Geocachers are thrilled by its geocaching features, I seldom go geocashing and my eTrex H did the job the last time I did.
scotch whisky Posted - 19 avr. 2008 : 10:56:10
Short test of the Colorado, eXplorist 600 and SATMAP Active 10 shown on UK TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJyt3RFycsE

I keep getting tempted by the Colorado 300 as I usually buy the latest Garmin handheld. Garmin has a good reputation for updating software but hardware problems are only going to be solved by a MK II unit.

I am beginning to suspect that Garmin bought this GPS in rather than designed it themselves. How else can the relatively poor hardware and software be explained?

Think I'll keep my GPSMAP 76CSx and Legend HCx. Both of these units are IMHO streets ahead of the Colorado.

I think I'll pass on this one although I suspect that the Colorado is nowhere near as bad as the report suggests - or is it?
gpspassion Posted - 09 avr. 2008 : 17:16:49
Ah that's nice indeed, means you can use any old miniUSB cable in your car to power it then, I'll try with my "roll-up" cables.

Did you see any changes in terms of battery life? They told me at a tradeshow last week that they were hard at work on that. They should also give people the option to boost the BL to bring it to the level of the "powered" mode.
g.o.cashers Posted - 09 avr. 2008 : 16:40:07
With 2.51 the Colorado seems to support PVT over USB (no special serial/USB cable needed).

This means that if you have an NMEA tracking program (i.e. ExpertGPS) you can start Spanner and it will provide you with a virtual COM port and translate PVT to NMEA commands. This is all over the USB cable.

Similarly if you have a tracking program that supports native PVT (nRoute, Ozi, Global Explorer, Google Earth w/GPS) you can can also connect to the CO.

One nice thing about the new "Garmin Spanner" interface option is that when you connect to a computer you are given the option to go into Mass storage mode or stay in "normal GPS" mode. If you stay in normal GPS mode the GPS will draw power from the computer (similar to the auto adapter).

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 09 avr. 2008 : 16:11:54
Seems normal to me, these high sensitivy receivers are pretty dynamic, the old Garmin low sensitivity chipsets used quite a few tricks, including "track smoothing" ;-)

NEW V2.51b SOFTWARE : Haven't loaded it yet, doesn't seem to change a lot, but Garmin don't always say everything ;-) Apparently the spanner software should let you use the Colorado as an external GPS receiver streaming NMEA data, but I thought you needed a special cable for that...

"Changes made from version 2.40 to 2.51:

* Added ability to reposition waypoint to current location
* Added support for language-specific keyboards
* Added support for editing location in all position formats
* Added Spanner support
* Improved drawing of BlueChart tidal areas
* Improved performance when exiting mass storage mode
* Improved paperless goecaching (various)
* Improved Wherigo player (various)
* Corrected potential shutdown when selecting maps with a large variety of maps loaded
* Corrected potential shutdown when profiling a long route
* Corrected avoiding highways
* Corrected display of found geocaches
* Corrected issue preventing name of lakes and rivers from showing when highlighted
* Corrected display of bridge heights


http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3889
bosshoss_16 Posted - 07 avr. 2008 : 02:26:35
I was noticing recently on my 300 that the speed and elevation readings are constantly changing. On a flat road, the speed (with my cruise control on) will changed 1-2 miles per hour. The elevation is the same way. This could be something common, but I don't remember my GPS V doing this that much (or my 300 doing it before I had it replaced by the manufacturer). I just figured I would check to see if anyone has noticed this.
PENGFEI Posted - 22 mars 2008 : 19:30:51
How many exactly free space is in Colorado 400t internal memory? I heard is about 1GB. But what is the exactly bytes?
gpspassion Posted - 17 mars 2008 : 14:10:44
Thanks, currently doing a new battery test run so will check later, but yes I did notice an \archive\ folder. It didn't contain my manually archived tracks so I hadn't taken a closer look. That's good news, but it's still confusing to let the user manually archive a current log that isn't the full log since the latest manual archiving was done.
g.o.cashers Posted - 17 mars 2008 : 13:58:53
Once the internal tracklog fills (10000 points) you should see files called 1.gpx, 2.gpx, etc showing up in [drive]:\Garmin\GPX\Archive . These fill up around 5000 trackpoints each and roll to the next file. This has been working fine on my 400t for several weeks (I'm up to about 4 or 5 files now with "auto" tracklog setting).

Are you seeing these auto-archive files?

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 17 mars 2008 : 13:48:17
Actually I have an update on this, I was analyzing archived tracks and it seems it cuts them off at about 10,000 points, hence the 2h45' limit. You have to wonder why it can't create a part2 file if there is indeed a 10,000 point limit. I'll see if the current track has that same limitation, hope not.

Completed my "backlight off" testing with the 2700mAh NiMH batteries and I got 12h57' of operation, so with 2700mAh we have an 8h37' < X < 12h57' battery life depending on how much BL you use.
John R Posted - 17 mars 2008 : 08:16:09
You make an important point. I forgot to mention that my only lengthly outing was over a well-known course and I had turned logging completely off. Had no idea it could make that big of a difference with battery life. I turn logging off when I don't need it because I find the hen-scratch effect on the screen, when at a standstill, annoying.
gpspassion Posted - 16 mars 2008 : 14:37:25
Interesting, don't have any Lithium batteries handy to try that out.

About battery life, it seems to vary a lot depending on the logging interval, with the BL on I get 8.5 hours with 2700mAh batteries logging in auto or 60 seconds, but if I log every second it drops down to 2.7 hours. Anyone else notice that? Will do some testing with the BL off now.
John R Posted - 15 mars 2008 : 02:40:13
A work around I have found for the automatic screen dimming, at least when using lithium batteries, is to go into the setup menu and change the battery type to Alkaline. It makes the unit "think" there is more power remaining than there actually is. The same might also work with NiMH batteries. This isn't really a fix, of course; it just depletes the remaining power faster. But, if you really need the extra brightness ...

BTW, I have found that lithium batteries yield a life very close to the 15 hours promised by Garmin.
gpspassion Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 16:28:01
Good to hear, my 60CSx even seems to hold the calibration between battery changes, will need to keep an eye on this.

As you point out in your FAQ, the brightness really goes up a notch when the Colorado is powered, here is a before and after :



I think it would be hard to drive around in the daytime without the Colorado being powered.
g.o.cashers Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 11:39:02
Thanks, I changed the language because I would agree it is probably confusing.

I've heard of on other person not being able to calibrate and stabilize the compass, although I haven't seen it myself. The CO compass works about the same as my 60cs. As long as I calibrate after changing batteries it seems to stay calibrated until the next time I change batteries.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 11:33:36
Ok, I hadn't realized the "trip point" meant the "switching", I couldn't see the connection with a trip as in a trip to somewhere ;-)

Have you noticed the compass "instability" I'm seeing ?
g.o.cashers Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 11:29:01
The auto-trip point is a difference between the Colorado and the 60csx (it's in the comparison ;). The CO is not configurable, the 60csx is.

According to Anders the trip point on the CO is set to 10mph (16km/hr). Lower than that the compass is on, higher than that it will shut off. I think in order to turn on you have to be going less than 10mph for 30sec but I still need to test that.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 10:13:16
Thanks and yes, nice site you've put up there, but we have the links in your sig, so maybe you don't need to mention it in all your replies, unless you have direct link ;-) Found the 60CSx/Colorado comparison here http://garmincolorado.wikispaces.com/Colorado+vs+60csx - will look it over...done, excellent work, I didn't see any reference to the speed at which the compass kicks in or is it "Configurable compass on/off trip points" ? Has anyone figured out when the GPS takes over from the compass, or the compass is always used for the heading?

Switching over to the 2500mAh NiMH batteries has definitely improved the battery life compared to using alkalines, but it still dimmed the screen when the battery got down to one bar, event though I had disactived the dimming. Running a new test with 2700mAh and back lighting on max.

Not sure if it's due to the battery running too low, but I keep losing the calibration of the compass, can't remember that happening with the 60CSx or the Vista HCx.

Here is a topo map comparison, the Colorado no longer handles .typ's it seems, but the default rendering is so much better than on the 60CSx it's a moot point :

g.o.cashers Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 03:15:03
Nope, no way to view a waypoint on the map and pan away from it.

Check out the Colorado vs. 60csx comparison page on my wiki, it has a bunch of this stuff.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 02:24:24
Thanks, yes I was about to add that this was running v2.20, I am now updating to v2.40 via the WebUpdater. Looks like some of my comments are indeed addressed ;-)

Had to update manually to v2.40 with the exe here http://www.gpsinformation.org/perry/colorado/ the webupdater was complaining about a corrupt file, never seen that problem before...

Nice to be able to "kill" auto-dim indeed, let's see if battery life holds up a bit better.

One feature I miss from the 60CSx too is the ability to go to a waypoint and then pan the map, best I've found is to create a route to that waypoint and then follow the route and zoom in, hope I'm missing something...
g.o.cashers Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 01:22:10
Make sure you are running 2.4 software that will probably help with battery life some.

Back cover is hard to remove, put a little petroleum jelly on the rails, it helps a lot.

2.4 will help a little bit with backlight settings if you disable "Backlight limiting" under the Display setup.

Track management is bad right now and lots of bugs.

To get into USB storage mode for the SD card just plug in the CO -- you should see two drives, one for the internal memory and one for the SD card.

Check out my FAQ, it has much of this.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 14 mars 2008 : 01:17:42
Finally received my test unit, so here are some first pictures comparing the Colorado to the eTrex Vista HCx and 60CSx...






Screens aligned on their lower part

... and some comments in no particular order, numbered for reference (made with software version v2.20 - now updating to v2.40)
1. form factor is very nice, materials don't seem to be quite as strong as on the 60Csx, we'll see in the long run
2. Rock'n'Roller doesn't take long getting used to and it gives quick access to the menus
3. we had discussed the missing "mark waypoint" button, but in fact if you press the center of the "Rocker" for 2 seconds you get a "mark waypoint" menu, so it's still there really.
4. GPS sensitivity appears good, on par with the 60Csx
5. Battery life on alkalines is dismal, 4 hours with a fresh set!
6. Backlighting management is a bit confusing, it seems it auto-dims when the battery goes down, no more two-step back lighting like on the previous Garmin handhelds
7. Back cover is rather hard to remove, would hate to have to do it with cold or wet hands!
8. Track management is a bit confusing compared to the 60CSx
9. Haven't found the USB storage mode to access the SD yet
10. Last but not least, the map scrolling is MUCH FASTER than on the 60CSx, at last you can really use the compass to rotate the map facing the road.

Developing...
John R Posted - 06 mars 2008 : 20:43:48
Duck,

The Colorado units employ an O-Ring seal around the battery compartment and another around the SD Card slot. That is where the sealing in done, not anywhere else. Regarding the story in the groundspeak forum, I would guess that one (or both) of the O-Rings became either damaged, dislodged, or removed altogether. It is easy to see how this might happen in an in-store demo environment. The unsealed latch area is totally irrelevant.

The design looks perfectly adequate for the 1 meter/30 minute specification. It is basically the same system used by the Garmin 60 series; the difference being that the O-Ring is on the removable cover door in the 60 series and on the unit itself in the Colorado series.

Having said the above, I would rate the permanent tongue-and-groove sealing system of the DeLorme superior, at least from a theoretical/appearance standpoint. As with the Air Bags in my car, I do not intentionally try to test these types of things. One point for kayaking, it is said the PN-20 will actually float if lithium batteries are used.
neadrenalin Posted - 29 févr. 2008 : 14:55:09
Thanks, it is the one I searched. I made 2.40 rgn version and searched the way to use it. :)
Cure versions can be created as I wrote on other topics (http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=95274 , etc.). The main idea - to change file names that searched during boot process. I replaced some names (can be found in hex-edit with unicode support):
gupdate.gcd (because of auto-reflash if exist in internal memory)
gmapsupp.img (and any img) - in case of bad map or overflow map quantity (known bug in nuviz holding more than 2k maps pieces)
.gpx - in case bad structure (unit also hangs durung boot)

And clean version is needed to make unit flashed with native firmware.
g.o.cashers Posted - 29 févr. 2008 : 13:53:41
The hidden modes/features that I'm aware of are in the Misc section of the FAQ.

http://garmincolorado.wikispaces.com/Miscellaneous

GO$Rs
neadrenalin Posted - 29 févr. 2008 : 13:07:06
Does anyone know how to enter any hidden menus ? Like service mode in 60csx, or nuvi pre-boot mode?
TheDuck Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 20:56:46
Thanks for the feedback.

A salesman had an incredible story about Garmin telling him the 300 should "never be submerged whatsoever"! So much for waterproof to 1m for 30min! You can read his story here: http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=184669

I posted my same question on the DeLorme forums, btw, and received lots of feedback. As much as I wanted a large screen such as offered by the Colorado, I've ordered a DeLorme PN-20 because of a higher level of confidence in its construction.

Be seeing you,
The Duck
Sellador Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 00:51:54
I'm not sure about the Colorado, but the 60c series isn't intended to be waterproof enough for constant immersion. The manual says... "It can withstand immersion in 1 meter of water for 30 minutes. Prolonged submersion can cause damage to the unit. After submersion, be certain to wipe and air dry the unit before reuse or charging." My interpretation is that they made it to be rainproof for hiking or recoverable if dropped overboard while boating, but not really intended for being dragged along underwater behind a kayak.
shopsis Posted - 18 févr. 2008 : 00:34:08
I've got a Colorado 300 that I bought as a replacement for a 60CXS that I lost two weeks ago. I haven't used the Colorado in a kayak yet but have used the 60 that way. Since both of these units are "waterproof", there's no need to keep them in a plastic bag or drybag. There are flotation cases available for gps's that keep then from sinking when the unavoidable immersion occurs, or you can just keep them tethered to your life vest or kayak and not worry about moisture. I do like to push a lot of buttons to look at the various screens, while I'm paddling, and that's hard do do through a bag.

I once thought that I lost my 60CSX after a flip. When I got back in the kayak and paddled a couple of miles to shore I discovered, to my great relief, that I had been towing the GPS under salt water all that time and that it still worked well.

The Colorado does seem to have a better seal on the battery compartment than the 60. There was water in the battery chamber of my immersed 60, but it didn't do any damage.

Charlie
TheDuck Posted - 18 févr. 2008 : 00:02:46
I stopped by REI today to look at the 400 and the 60CSx. I'd love to hear any feedback on a couple of concerns I have related to using while kayaking. First, neither unit impressed me with waterproofing. The rubber covers protecting the mini USB port and other areas were very easily dislodged. I tried operating the 400's rocker wheel while inside a plastic bag and it doesn't look feasible at all. Given the specs for the 400i I hope to learn otherwise. My second concern is with the apparent lack of any key lock. It looks like the buttons and/or rocker panel will randomly be pushed while the unit is in a pocket - the manuals didn't identify any way of locking the keys while the unit is on...can this be done??

Thanks very much for any feedback!
Sellador Posted - 14 févr. 2008 : 23:17:07
quote:
Originally posted by philpugh
I was confused by the entering new waypoint - but the 'solution' of create a waypoint then edit isn't too bad - it just seems a pitty it's not a more straight forward action.


I just popped into this thread and must say I'm a bit confused by all the consternation over this way of creating a new waypoint. Do some of you have Garmin handheld GPSr's that do it any other way? Because both of my Vistas (C and HCx), my 60CSx and even my very old XL create new waypoints in exactly the same way. You mark your current position and then edit it before saving.

I guess I understand someone saying that they wish it would come up blank instead of with your current location (though it would still take as many clicks to enter the information), but I don't understand why everyone seems so surprised with something that Garmin has done with all of its handhelds for years now.
philpugh Posted - 13 févr. 2008 : 18:43:29
I bought the C300 recently here in UK.

I was confused by the entering new waypoint - but the 'solution' of create a waypoint then edit isn't too bad - it just seems a pitty it's not a more straight forward action. The other 'oddity' is that out of the box it doesn't seem to display your location! You have to set up one of the fields on the display to get this. Very strange for a device desighned to tell you where you are!

Overall I like the unit. The display is fine in daylight, outside with no backlight. You can use the unit easily one-handed (either hand) except with thick gloves (eg winter walking) it's easier to use two hands - the 'enter' button in the centre of the "R&R" assembly can be difficult to locate with these on.

A lot of the issues on the Geocaching site are down to a different way of working with the device. Being new to handheld mapping devices (but long time GARMIN user) I didn't know what to expect - but I am not disappointed.

I did a WebUpdate on it - it downloaded a GPS Type M firmware update for it - if that helps with determining the chip set.
gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 17:32:43
Yes, it's a bit puzzling, probably wanted to diversify their sources at first, which you can't blame them for and segment their offering, but the Colorado is pretty high-end so why not use SiRFstarIII like on the 60CSx ?

I take it you're still seeing some problems on the eTrex H ? Could you share them here -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=87583 ?

The good news is that g.o.cashers isn't seeing any odometer problem with his Colorado.
picrthis Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 17:20:57
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

As well as discuss the issues here naturally ;-) I'm expecting a test unit in the coming days. I think someone had posted that link before, a very nice site indeed, hope it keeps going.

Can't see over there if the lack of direct lat/long entry has been confirmed ?

So they've moved from the SiRFstarIII chipset to the MTK chipset, I'm not quite sure I understand why Garmin feel they need to confuse the users with such switches. While the MTK chipset has improved for low speed use, as seen on the v2.60 firmware available for the eTrex H series, I still feel more comfortable with the proven SiRFstarIII chipset used on the 60CSx series. Or are they maybe having battery life issues due to the larger screen ? In which case the MTK would definitely help.


I agree with you on this, I don't know why Garmin seems to be so bent on not using SIRF, cost? I doubt it, at the price they charge for their GPS's they could put a couple of SIRF chips in it, and besides I'd gladly pay more for a SIRF enabled GPS unit. Funny how all the no-name GPS's are adopting SIRF now, while Garmin kicks it to the curb.

I have the 60CSx and compared to the Vista HCx that I own too, while I like the size and feature set of the Vista, I'd never get rid of my trusty 60CSx. Since 2.60 update for the Vista unit, it is much better, but I still trust the 60CSx better than the Vista.

Garmin is doing the same thing on the upcoming 8xx car series too. I think it is a bad move, I still feel more comfortable with the time proven SIRF chips. I took a chance on the Vista, and while it's better than is was when it first came out, it is not a 60CSx. I was thinking of getting a Colorado, but like the 8xx series; I think I'll sit these ones out.

Maybe Garmin will give us Sirf-Premium on some upcoming model(s), after they get done experimenting with their own thing, and that appears what they are doing, experimenting at our expense, they certainly aren't passing a costs savings on to us.
gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:42:24
The software version does point to the MTK chipset as it is the same rev as on the eTrex H series, not sure what rev the Garmin chipset has on the nüvi 2xx series where it has been used so far, v2.30 possibly? "MT3318" is indeed the name of the MTK chipset, but like you say various names may be in there as was the case for the 2xx series. The 2xx Chipset topic had a bit of a "problem", but you might still find clues inside.
g.o.cashers Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:32:28
The GPS firmware is 2.60 (no letter prefix or suffix), recently updated from 2.40 which makes me think that the chipset is MTK. In addition the gcd file in RemoteSW has the same part number (it might even be an identical file) as the Nuvi 2xx MTK firmware.

When I search for character strings in that binary gcd file I see strings like "MT3318 1.2V Software Version 2.6" and "MTK". I'm just not sure that this is conclusive or not. Just because there is a gcd file in RemoteSW does that guarantee I'm running that firmware?

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:25:58
Ok, for the lat/long ;-)

As for the chipset, it looks like it could be the Garmin chipset then, a first on a handheld system, any rev number visible for the GPS sofware in the system menu maybe?
g.o.cashers Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:23:31
Actually it is a few more presses on the Colorado because you have to scroll up/down to get to Edit and Change Location. Maybe things aren't quite as streamlined on the CO yet.

No copyright indication on the Colorado for Sirf vs MTK vs Garmin or on any of the diagnostic screens. I'll keep poking around.

GO$Rs

gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:23:07
Well maybe you should read "John R"'s message on the previous page then ;-) Like I said I don't have mine yet so I'm going by what's been shared so far.
g.o.cashers Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 01:16:56
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Actually "John R" documented that tip on the previous page in his detailed report, so the problem remains, you can't actually enter a lat/long out of the box, what on oversight..



Not sure I'm following. On my 60CS I hit Mark, press up arrow 2 times to get to the coordinate box and start changing numbers. On my Colorado, I press and hold the select button, click Edit, click Change Location and start editing numbers. So on the Colorado it is also three button presses, about the same effort in either case. Sorry, maybe I'm missing something here!

GO$Rs

gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 00:51:10
Actually "John R" documented that tip on the previous page in his detailed report, so the problem remains, you can't actually enter a lat/long out of the box, what on oversight...

One thing you could do for to determine the source of the GPS module is look at the GPS software version that could be a good indication, isn't there any copyright that shows on the boot screen, MTK or SiRF ? If there is non it would point to the Garmin chipset, can't remember what type it is. Actually, MTK might be type M2.

As for your odometer testing, you can look up the eTrex H thread, but it seems it's not an issue on the Colorado.
g.o.cashers Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 00:41:54
I added the coordinate entry procedure as a question in the FAQ under the Waypoints section. It's pretty simple to do, you just need to edit the Waypoint. The FAQ is linked in my sig.

Thanks for the information on Type-G. The problem we are having on the Colorado right now is trying to determine which type we have. The GPS software version doesn't have any indicator (G or M). I'm just looking at the gcd files in the RecentSW directory and making some assumptions based on things I've seen on these forums about the Nuvi 2xx's. Webupdater also seems to give some indication of the chipset when firmware upgrades are available.

I've run some tests on the Colorado to compare the odometer to my 60cs and they have been pretty consistent -- within 5% in most cases under cover hiking in the woods. Less than 1% difference when driving. Is there a good test that would tell me if the Colorado has the same issue as the eTrex?

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 11 févr. 2008 : 00:23:34
Ah that's good news for lat/lon, is there a trick, John R hadn't found it when he first reported back.

"Type G" is SiRFstarIII -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101914 the one used very successfully on the 60CSx series since 2005.

Any problems with the odometer readings on the Colorado units like on the eTrex H series ?
g.o.cashers Posted - 10 févr. 2008 : 23:20:18
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion
Can't see over there if the lack of direct lat/long entry has been confirmed ?



Yes, you can direct enter lat/long coordinates on the Colorado

It does seem like they are using MTK on some of the Colorados (Type M) but a "Type G" seems to have cropped up as well. The assumption is that this is some sort of Garmin chipset, maybe Bravo?

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 10 févr. 2008 : 21:48:30
As well as discuss the issues here naturally ;-) I'm expecting a test unit in the coming days. I think someone had posted that link before, a very nice site indeed, hope it keeps going.

Can't see over there if the lack of direct lat/long entry has been confirmed ?

So they've moved from the SiRFstarIII chipset to the MTK chipset, I'm not quite sure I understand why Garmin feel they need to confuse the users with such switches. While the MTK chipset has improved for low speed use, as seen on the v2.60 firmware available for the eTrex H series, I still feel more comfortable with the proven SiRFstarIII chipset used on the 60CSx series. Or are they maybe having battery life issues due to the larger screen ? In which case the MTK would definitely help.
picrthis Posted - 09 févr. 2008 : 16:50:45
Anyone thinking about buying one of these might want to jump over to the groundspeak forums and spend some time reading more real world details about it, before plunking down $500.00+ for it.

Also referenced on groundspeak forums a user has put together an excellent site with about all the info you could every ask for. You should take the time to look at the section called "Issues List", the Colorado sure comes loaded with issues/bugs. They definitely pushed these out the door for CES.

http://garmincolorado.wikispaces.com/Issues+List#tocIssues%20List6

Amongst the numerous issues that plague the Colorado series, you'll find that why it's tooted as having USB 2.0, it really only uses USB 1.1; I doubt firmware will be able to fix all the issues that have been discovered. In-fact if you jump over and read all of that, it's been reported they have already changed the chip out from type 'G' to type 'M'so early in production.

I would urge anyone considering the Colorado series to do yourself a Huge favor and take the time to read the site mentioned above and spend some time on groundspeak forums, it could save you alot of headaches and possibly $$$. I have been following this since it's release.

g.o.cashers Posted - 06 févr. 2008 : 14:48:04
Several people have reported on the Groundspeak forums that the 4GB SDHC cards work in the Colorado. No word if the 8GB SDHC cards work or not.

GO$Rs
gpspassion Posted - 03 févr. 2008 : 11:37:17
It's possible they were discontinued when the SDHC cards became more common last year.
bosshoss_16 Posted - 03 févr. 2008 : 05:31:24
I have looked on many manufacturers (PNY, Kingston, Sandisk, etc) websites and have found no SD cards above 2gb. Anything over 2gb seems to be SDHC. Do you have any links that show a 4gb SD card? Thanks!
gpspassion Posted - 02 févr. 2008 : 22:20:03
Well that's probably because non-SDHC cards go up to 4Gb.
bosshoss_16 Posted - 01 févr. 2008 : 22:33:32
So, now that I have received the 300, I was wondering if anyone knows how big I can go with an SD card. A guy at Garmin told me 4gb but to not use a high capacity one. I've noticed that most show the 4gb as being high capacity. Thanks.
PouchX Posted - 29 janv. 2008 : 19:03:27
I have one Colorado 300 from tvnav.com
Everything is OK.
bosshoss_16 Posted - 28 janv. 2008 : 13:58:16
Thanks PouchX! Those are some great links! Much cheaper than the Amazon one, too.

Does anyone know anything about these websites? If they are shady sites, I would rather just spend the extra money at Amazon.
PouchX Posted - 28 janv. 2008 : 10:01:14
Try:

www.gpscity.com/col300
www.tvnav.com
www.gpsnow.com
bosshoss_16 Posted - 27 janv. 2008 : 21:46:40
It looks like REI is only shipping the 400t. The others are still on "backorder." It seems Amazon has the 300 for sell for $500. A lot of other froogle sites are saying it's not available until May 2008. I've been tempted to get one of the 400s, but since I'll be using it mostly in the car and maybe while hiking (probably on the beaten path), it's hard to justify the extra money. Especially since I'll have to upgrade my mapsource anyways. Thanks for all of the great information so far!!
gpspassion Posted - 27 janv. 2008 : 20:24:49
Thanks for sharing these first thoughts, hope an update fixes that "no coordinates" problem, that workaround reminds me of the old Forerunner 201 trick !

It seems Garmin would have been better inspired to take the "road tested" interface of the etrex and 60/76 series and added the new map display rather than add these "wow" screens...

Keep us posted as you spend more time with the unit.
John R Posted - 27 janv. 2008 : 20:07:10
REI is shipping now, at least for web orders. They claim to have an "exclusive" until 11-Feb-2008. I received my 400t earlier this week. I must say I was initially disappointed, but I have warmed up somewhat. It is not really very intuitive and some common functions are buried deep in the menus, sometimes in places I would not normally think of looking. The backlight is not a bright as I would like, but in all fairness, it is bright enough. The screen is transflective and can be seen in daylight very easily without the light at all (it must be held at the proper angle since the cover is glossy). The battery cover is very snug and difficult to remove. The problem is that there is only a very narrow ring at the top to grip the unit while pulling the sliding cover. I can only imagine what this will be like in cold weather (or hot weather with sweaty hands). Incredibly, a destination cannot be directly entered using lat./long. coordinates. This makes me wonder who this unit is really intended for. The only work-around I have found is to save a waypoint - anywhere, it doesn't matter - and then go back and edit the coordinates. This, of course, moves the waypoint to the desired location. If you want to view a location or waypoint using any of the "find" functions, that is all you can do - view it, zoom in or out using the Rock 'n Roller wheel, or navigate to it. The scroll function is disabled and a large portion of the map is covered by a splash screen with the name and other information about the location. The battery life estimate of 15 hours obviously does not include much "playing time" or use of the backlight. I have gone through two sets of akalines and have gotten nowhere near 15 hours. I would highly recommend the use of lithium batteries. The manual, to say the least, is minimal. While this is understandable since Garmin typically makes so many changes to the firmware over the life of the unit, I can see headaches for their customer support people, for example someone calling to ask "what does project waypoint mean?"

On the positive side, the topo maps are simply gorgeous. The 3D shading from the DEM makes it really easy to get the "lay of the land." This overcomes just about all the negatives mentioned above. I have not explored the geocaching or Wherigo functions as this does not particularly interest me. As I am still learning the unit, there could be errors in this brief assessment. There is also a new firmware download available at the Garmin website which supposedly improves battery performance and allows for the electronic compass to be turned off. Hopefully Garmin will address some of the other issues in future releases.

bosshoss_16 Posted - 27 janv. 2008 : 01:19:34
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but some of the websites on froogle are saying that Garmin isn't shipping to discount online retailers until May. But on a couple of others, the availability date is Monday (1/28). Anyone heard anything more concrete?
apersson850 Posted - 11 janv. 2008 : 16:55:49
Well, my experience so far says that unless you are rotating like a merrygoround, it works fairly well. It doesn't take holding the GPS flat very long for the map to point in the right direction.
That you can't turn off the magnetic compass is a bigger problem.
gpspassion Posted - 10 janv. 2008 : 20:59:35
Thanks, still a tad slow then, will have to see what happens in the field.
apersson850 Posted - 10 janv. 2008 : 09:10:43
I see. Well, turning around at standstill (magnetic compass) while displaying a topo map typically takes 2-4 seconds to render the map in the new direction. This is not with a map based on 1:25000 data, but on the other hand it was in perspective mode, which implies that map data further away has to be considered as well.
Which to some extent "simulates" having to deal with a more detailed map.
gpspassion Posted - 08 janv. 2008 : 23:38:31
Sure, I was really thinking of zoomed in Topo maps and have the device rotate them based on the compass to see where it is you are heading. On the 1/25,000 we have here you can pretty much forget, just too slow even at the highest zoom level.
apersson850 Posted - 08 janv. 2008 : 20:50:49
Depends a lot on the scale you use, of course. If I zoom all the way out and the pan to North America, which means it has to fetch virtually everything there from the memory and sort out the DEM shading, it takes a while. I haven't timed it, but it's several seconds.

But if you are fairly zoomed in, perhaps at a 500 meter scale, panning is quick, I dare say.
gpspassion Posted - 08 janv. 2008 : 17:34:49
Nice pics, thanks. How do you find the speed of the map scrolling, always been a sore point on Garmin handhelds, especially the 1:25,000 Topo maps we have in France,the 50k maps in the US are more usable.
apersson850 Posted - 08 janv. 2008 : 15:12:18
You can find a few screenshots in my webalbum.
gpspassion Posted - 08 janv. 2008 : 11:53:43
A few pictures taken by Paul at the Garmin booth at CES :
http://flickr.com/photos/gpspassion/2177508534/in/set-72157603656990814/

Boyd Posted - 06 janv. 2008 : 16:15:49
Aside from the very low resolution of the 60csx screen, I think it suffers greatly from the low color depth (8 bits). The US Topo maps looked much better on my Nuvi 650 for example because that screen is at least 16 bits (haven't ever seen a spec for that actually). The other thing which made maps more readable was the relative scale of the POI's. On the Nuvi screen the icon for something like a dam was much smaller in relation to the rest of the map, but on the 60csx the same icon was larger. I assume this had to do with the resolution of the screen and the minimum number of pixels needed to display the icons.

And the additional pixels also allowed for more variation in line weight. For example, countour lines often look like roads on the 60csx but on the Nuvi screen they were thinner, making the difference more obvious. The 60csx screen just doesn't have enough pixels to allow that kind of differentiation. But it's nice that the maps themselves are stored in a format which is display independent, so they can take advantage of newer/better hardware.
apersson850 Posted - 06 janv. 2008 : 13:06:15
Yes, but even the graphically much "simpler" and "cleaner" City Navigator map is much easier to see on the Colorado, compared to the 60 CSx.
gpspassion Posted - 06 janv. 2008 : 01:03:44
Good to hear, so it seems Garmin has been looking at the work done on the internet on .typ files then, that really helped tremendously to read the topo maps on the 60 or the eTrex.
apersson850 Posted - 06 janv. 2008 : 01:01:26
Well, comparing them in broad daylight, at this time of the year, in Sweden - I think you understand just how feasible that is, or rather is not.
But if I hold the Colorado and the 60 CSx beside each other, with no backlight, but under a lamp, they are not identical, but rather similar, displaywise. One is brighter at one angle, the other at another. If there's any difference, then the 60 CSx as a fraction brighter.
But the Colorado wins the map viewing contest anyway, due to a much more readable color scheme used for the map. No matter which color scheme you select on the 60 CSx, it can't match the clean color palette used in the Colorado. There are no selectable color schemes in the Colorado. You can only select the background graphics, but that's not visible when the map covers the whole display, so it doesn't apply here.
Boyd Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 20:24:45
That's a good point, but I think you're more impressed with the 60csx screen than I am. I don't find it particularly easy to see in ambient light. I have a Sony HVR-Z1 camcorder and it has a flip-out transreflective screen which is the most remarkable I've seen. It looks bright and vibrant in daytime conditions with no backlighting. And it's actually very high resolution - 1120x240 on a 3.5" LCD panel. If you ever have a chance to look at one of these I think you would be surprised by the quality (same screen used on the HDR-FX1 camcorder as well). But of course I'm also comparing a $5,000 camera to a $300 GPS...

And there might be some other issues at play here, since the handheld GPS needs a more durable screen with a heavy glass cover. I suspect that glass reflects a lot of light and makes the 60csx screen a little harder to read. Regardless, I'll be interested in seeing one of the Colorado units in person, although it's rare to find them on open display in a store like the auto units.
gpspassion Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 20:07:22
About the screen, the higher the resolution, the smaller the pixels and the harder it is for them to "capture" light. What's wonderful about the 60 series is that they are perfectly readable in direct sun light, not the case on most car systems out there, not that they generally need to be.
Boyd Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 19:41:41
Was just looking at the specs again, and the screen is a big improvement over the 60 series. 240x400 on the Colorado vs 240x160 on the 60csx - that's more than twice as many pixels and also presumably at much greater color depth than the old 8bit screen. It's about time handhelds started catching up to the automotive units in that area. I find the low resolution screen on my 60csx to be very frustrating at times.

I also have to say... the Colorado styling is very UGLY to my eyes. The 60 series looks like a solid, professional tool. But the fake chrome on the Colorado looks like cheesy consumer electronics. Not this should matter all that much, but it's just a bit of a disappointment to me and perhaps it says something about the intended market?
apersson850 Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 18:25:20
Entering text with the roller wheel is actually inferior (in speed, not ease of use), compared to the system used in the 60 CSx.
The Colorado also has less settings than the 60 CSx, so it can't be fine-tuned to the same extent.

But I'm very happy they did not go for a touch screen on an outdoor GPS. That would have been a very bad idea. Inside a clean car, yes, but out in the mud, definitely not!
Boyd Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 15:59:19
I read that review yesterday and afterwards my feeling was "I'm still glad I got a 60csx". There are some nice ideas in the Colorado but it seems a bit pricey. The 3d view on such a low resolution screen doesn't do much for me. The user interface looks nicer, but geocaching and games don't interest me. The biggest disappointment for me is their continued use of a joystick type device. I think Magellan has a better idea with their touch screen Tritons. After using different touch screen auto GPS'es, it just drives me crazy trying to enter waypoint names or coordinates using the cursor pad on my 60csx, and I can't see where the "rock and roller" would make this any easier.

I think it's a step in the right direction, and I'm glad to finally see some new handheld ideas from Garmin. But for $200 more than the 60csx, it's no bargain.
jotne Posted - 05 janv. 2008 : 00:27:50
A very nice 400t review
http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2008/01/garmin_colorado_400t_review.php?page=1
gpspassion Posted - 04 janv. 2008 : 01:41:54
Thanks for sharing, gave me a chance to find out about whereigo too and see a nice picture of the Colorado http://www.wherigo.com/garmin/default.aspx ;-)
apersson850 Posted - 04 janv. 2008 : 01:28:55
From the press release, soon to be published on Garmin's web site:

Garmin's Colorado Series Gives Outdoor Enthusiasts a New Perspective


OLATHE, Kan., Jan 03, 2008 / Garmin International Inc., a unit of Garmin Ltd. (Nasdaq: GRMN), today introduced the Colorado series of handheld GPS devices for outdoor, marine and fitness enthusiasts. With the addition of Garmin's revolutionary Rock 'n Roller wheel, you really can operate its many features with just one hand -- most with just one thumb. The devices were announced in preparation for the 2008 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, and will be on display at the Garmin booth.

"Whether you're climbing in the Rockies, fishing an unfamiliar river or geocaching with your family, the Colorado brings your environment to life in unprecedented detail," said Dan Bartel, Garmin's vice president of worldwide sales. "And yet for having so many new features and customizable options, the Colorado is remarkably easy to use with its thumb-driven Rock 'n Roller wheel."

On land or at sea, you'll never lose your way with Colorado's high-sensitivity GPS receiver, shaded-relief and satellite imagery mapping and vibrant color 3-inch screen with high resolution. And the Colorado plays well with others, allowing for wireless exchange of tracks, waypoints and geocaches between units.

No matter your outdoor interests, there's a Colorado for you. The Colorado 400t gives hikers state-of-the-art 3D elevation perspective and preloaded U.S. topographic maps. The Colorado 400i offers anglers shoreline details, depth contours and boat ramps for U.S. inland lakes and navigable rivers. The Colorado 400c is your coastal companion, providing chart coverage for the coastal U.S. and Bahamas. The Colorado 300 features a worldwide basemap with shaded relief.

Colorado users will be the first to experience Wherigo, the newest GPS-based activity from Groundspeak, the people who made geocaching a worldwide phenomenon. Wherigo (pronounced "where I go") is a toolset for creating and playing location-based multimedia experiences in the real world. Using the Wherigo platform, Wherigo authors can build exciting adventure games, historical tours or other innovative activities. Wherigo players use the Colorado or other GPS device running the Wherigo Player application to visit physical locations, use virtual items, interact with virtual characters and solve real world puzzles. Garmin and Groundspeak will host special events to teach people more about Wherigo and let them experience it for themselves. Also, a limited-edition geocoin has been minted to commemorate the launch of Colorado and Wherigo. Details on the Wherigo experience, events and geocoins can be found at http://www.garmin.blogs.com and http://www.wherigo.com. And geocaching just got easier with the Colorado, which quickly downloads online information for every cache, such as location, terrain, difficulty, hints and description, so that you don't have tote printouts with you.

Garmin knows its users have many interests, so the Colorado lets you customize five profiles -- automotive, marine, recreation, fitness or paperless geocaching -- making the most beneficial features for each activity the easiest to access through quick shortcuts. And every outing with the Colorado can be enjoyed later by downloading and sharing the data as one of nearly two million activities on Garmin Connect (http://connect.garmin.com).

Weighing only 7.3 ounces with 15 hours of life from two AA batteries, the Colorado is the perfect companion for any outing with its electronic compass, barometric altimeter and photo viewer. The SD card slot is ideal for loading additional MapSource detail. The Colorado also displays air temperature as well as data from an optional heart-rate monitor and/or speed and cadence sensor.

The Colorado 300 has a suggested retail price of $499. The Colorado 400t, Colorado 400i and Colorado 400c have a suggested retail price of $599. For more about the Colorado and the other Garmin products released at CES 2008, go to http://www.garmin.com and http://www.garmin.blogs.com.
apersson850 Posted - 04 janv. 2008 : 01:15:54
Although it's not officially announced on Garmin's web page yet, it can only be hours away.
At least the Colorado is indirectly announced here.
apersson850 Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 18:25:07
It's indeed puzzling that Garmin publishes information on their web page, when a unit hasn't been officially introduced yet.
jotne Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 19:38:32
My guess is that 300=400 but without maps.

The wireless transfer seems to be the same as on Edge 705.
(Juster ordered an 705 so I will look at it)

PS some told me that I was to jumpy and ordered my Nüvi 660 without reading all inforation. (did miss track log info)
If you look at Edge 705, you find no manual yet.
Garmin do not wite what they remove, just what they add.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=&pID=10885

Maybe I order a Colorade :)
gpspassion Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 19:04:29
Thanks, yes that 3D is intriguing.

So the 400c is the marine Bluechart version and the 400t the topo version, can't see any other differences ? I wonder how much is preloaded, maybe they've managed to fit the full USA on 2Gb SD card or flash memory...

No more mention of the thermometer.

It seems the manual was online at some point too..
jotne Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 18:46:10
Hopefully it can makes a real 3d from the contour lines??
Formatting fixed :)
gpspassion Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 18:43:53
Good catch, thanks for sharing, formatting is a bit off though ;-), wonder what "3-D map view" stands for ! The "worldwide basemap with shaded relief" is new too, that must be what we're seeing above, although that looks pretty detailed for a base map.

Curious about the wireless sharing too, is that via Blueooth, or IR ?
jotne Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 18:43:33
Garmin Colorado 400c

1st Quarter, 2008
Part Number: 010-00622-61
Suggested Retail Price: $ 642.84 USD

Whether you’re sailing the high seas or hiking the backcountry, Colorado 400c is your all-in-one adventure guide. Preloaded with BlueChart g2 coastal charts, Colorado is made with the saltwater mariner in mind. Packed with features, it includes a high-sensitivity receiver, barometric altimeter, electric compass, SD card slot, color display, picture viewer and more. Even exchange tracks, waypoints and geocaches wirelessly between other "buddy" units. When the going gets tough, Colorado leads the way.

Explore Coastal Waters
Colorado comes with built-in U.S. coastal charts, 3-D map view and a worldwide basemap with shaded relief — perfect for all you outdoor pursuits. Map detail includes shoreline details, depth contours, boat ramps and mile markers for thousands of lakes in the continental U.S.

Share Wirelessly
With Colorado 400c you can share your waypoints, tracks, routes and geocaches wirelessly with other Colorado users. Now you can send your favorite hike to your buddy to enjoy or the location of a cache to find. Sharing data is easy. Just select “send” to transfer your information to other Colorado units within a 3-meter range.

Rock on. Find Fun
Intuitive and fun, Colorado features a Rock ‘n Roller input wheel for easy one-handed operation and supports Geocaching.com GPX files for downloading geocaches and detail straight to your unit. Even customize Colorado's interface based on your favorite activity. Slim, lightweight and waterproof, Colorado is the perfect companion for all your outdoor pursuits.

Keep Your Fix
With its high-sensitivity, WAAS-enabled GPS receiver, Colorado 400c locates your position quickly and precisely and maintains its GPS location even in heavy cover and deep canyons. The advantage is clear — whether you’re in deep woods or just near tall buildings and trees, you can count on Colorado to help you find your way when you need it the most.

Get Your Bearings
Colorado 400c has a built-in electronic compass that provides bearing information even while you're standing still, and its barometric altimeter tracks changes in pressure to pinpoint your precise altitude. You can even use the altimeter to plot barometric pressure over time, which can help you keep an eye on changing weather conditions.

Plug in and Go
Adding maps is easier than ever with Colorado's SD card slot. Conveniently plug in optional preloaded SD cards with MapSource data for your land and sea excursions. Just insert a MapSource card with detailed street maps, and Colorado provides turn-by-turn directions to your destination. The card slot is located inside the waterproof battery compartment, so you don't have to worry about getting it wet.

Colorado 400c: One tough handheld for all your outdoor pursuits.
jotne Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 18:39:54
Info from Garmin home page :)
(do a google shearch for 010-00622-45)

Garmin Colorado 400t

1st Quarter, 2008
Part Number: 010-00622-45
Suggested Retail Price: $ 642.84 USD

Take on the trails with Colorado 400t. This rugged, advanced handheld is packed with detailed topographic maps for all your hiking adventures not to mention 3-D map view, a high-sensitivity receiver, barometric altimeter, electric compass, SD card slot, picture viewer and color display. Exchange tracks, waypoints and
geocaches wirelessly between other "buddy" units. When the going gets tough, Colorado leads the way.

Explore Backcountry
Colorado's preloaded topographic maps, 3-D map view and a built-in worldwide basemap with shaded relief give you all the tools for serious climbing or hiking. Map detail includes national, state and local parks and forests, along with terrain contours, elevation information, trails, rivers, lakes and points of interest. Just in case you’re wondering how steep that hill really is, Colorado’s 3-D map view helps you visualize your surroundings — giving you a better perspective of the elevation.

Share Wirelessly
With Colorado 400t you can share your waypoints, tracks, routes and geocaches wirelessly with other Colorado users. Now you can send your favorite hike to your buddy to enjoy or the location of a cache to find. Sharing data is easy. Just select “send” to transfer your information to other Colorado units within a 3-meter range.

Rock on. Find Fun
Intuitive and fun, Colorado features a Rock ‘n Roller input wheel for easy one-handed operation and supports Geocaching.com GPX files for downloading geocaches and detail straight to your unit. Even customize Colorado's interface based on your favorite activity. Slim, lightweight and waterproof, Colorado is the perfect companion for all your outdoor pursuits.

Keep Your Fix
With its high-sensitivity, WAAS-enabled GPS receiver, Colorado 400t locates your position quickly and precisely and maintains its GPS location even in heavy cover and deep canyons. The advantage is clear — whether you’re in deep woods or just near tall buildings and trees, you can count on Colorado to help you find your way when
you need it the most.

Get Your Bearings
Colorado 400t has a built-in electronic compass that provides bearing information even while you're standing still, and its barometric altimeter tracks changes in pressure to pinpoint your precise altitude. You can even use the altimeter to plot barometric pressure over time, which can help you keep an eye on changing weather conditions.

Plug in and Go
Adding maps is easier than ever with Colorado's SD card slot. Conveniently plug in optional preloaded SD cards with MapSource data for your land and sea excursions. Just insert a MapSource card with detailed street maps, and Colorado provides turn-by-turn directions to your destination. The card slot is located inside the waterproof battery compartment, so you don't have to worry about getting it wet.

Colorado 400t: One tough handheld for all your outdoor pursuits.

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