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 Garmin SiRFIII - Type G v3.0 Update = FW 3.2.5

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ehuber Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 15:38:12
EDIT BY GPSPASSION - 20071203 : Garmin have just rolled out version 3.00 of the software for their units equipped with the "Type G Chipset", their internal name for the SiRFstarIII chipset apparently, since that update corresponds to SiRF's latest v3.2.5 firmware.

Since the latest v3.2.4 version released last year, improvements include better jamming mitigation and enhanced ephemeris collection in difficult environments, something that helps to get a "warm fix" in the morning

1. Upgraded the nüvi 200 to v3.50 first and then got the option to download the "Type G" firmware, and I found by looking at the .bin file that the SiRF firmware is GSW3.2.5GARMIN_3.3.01.06-SDK001P1.0 - the first time I've seen a 3.2.5 generation, added here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27925

2. Webupdater updated the 60CSx, nüvi 300 and nüvi 660 as well (someone reported the SP550 too), so it's likely all the SiRFstarIII based Garmin GPS systems (Garmin calls them "Type G" for some reason) are having that new firmware rolled out.

New gps chipset type G / 3.00s available with Webupdater.
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NanaimoRick Posted - 18 nov. 2009 : 23:27:42
Welcome to our forum.

We have a lengthy thread dealing with this issue at http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=86010 which maybe a better place for your post.

Also this external link may help you with your problem:

http://www.sharc.net/gps_antenna_repair.htm
bimjim Posted - 18 nov. 2009 : 23:08:15
Bought this nuvi 370 in the UK two years ago on vacation, it was invaluable navigatimng the endless roundabouts there.

Last week the unit lost satellites while I was driving westbound on Highway 401 just east of Toronto (where Markham Road is), heading back home. I had been using it up to that point for about an hour to find a location well north of Pickering, all the while plugged into the car power and hanging off the Garmin windscreen suction mount, no bumps on the road, worked perfectly to that point. When I next started it up, the location shown was still on Highway 401 at the point where it stopped receiving the satellites.

I completed a hard reset from the button in the back, then left it out at the far end of the deck outside with the antenna level for about 30 minutes, no signal.

Then I booted up with a finger on the screen in the bottom right, cleared it all out, then back to the deck outside with the antenna level for about 30 minutes, still no satellite signal.

Then I connected to the Net, allowed it to update fully, then back to the deck outside with the antenna level for about 30 minutes, still no satellite signal.

Now that I have erased all my POIs, frequented visited locations and important addresses, what now?
blane Posted - 31 juil. 2008 : 01:44:08
Oh well, at least I didn't have to revert to Software Version 5.0 to make GPS SW Version 3.00 work as others had written here.
gpspassion Posted - 31 juil. 2008 : 01:35:55
As they say, better late than never ;-) You probably won't see much a of a difference between v2.90 and v3.00.
blane Posted - 31 juil. 2008 : 01:32:05
I guess that I'm a bit behind the times. I upgraded my nüvi 350 to Software Version 5.60 from 5.50 today. After 5.60 downloaded, WebUpdater led me to the "GPS Chipset Type G" download.

When my nüvi 350 rebooted, Menu/Settings/System/About showed GPS SW Version 2.90 as others here wrote last December. I flipped the antenna up and tried to acquire satellites outdoors for about five minutes. No luck. I turned the power off and then back on. View Map immediately said Ready To Navigate. Menu/Settings/System/About now correctly showed GPS SW Version 3.00.

All it took was a power cycle. I'm happy.

mmaxi Posted - 02 avr. 2008 : 14:09:15
I bought him there very a short time a 60CSx to USA, I noticed that when I am in mode navigation on road routable with City Navigator NT, with a speed besides of 90Kmh either 110/130 Kmh, the arrow is sometimes outside of the road (follow-up of yet activated road and arrow on " lock one road = on ") it looks like a loss of satellites (not of precision circle), yet the speed of the vehicle indicated by the GPS is correct, then after some time, the arrow comes back on the road as well as the circle of precision and so forth, but as soon as I am on a small road of countryside, the routage becomes again normal.

I have a 60C and I never had a problem with City Select V7 and some either the speed, the GPS lost the road, except in case well on, of satellite loss.

I put up to date the chipset with the V 3.00, I had not tried on road with the previous version.

Can I come back to the version 2.90 of SIRFIII chipset or the firmware Garmin of the GPS, old V 3.50, without to destroy the GPS ?

NanaimoRick Posted - 22 déc. 2007 : 18:32:18
Yet hpatlik is basically right in his explanation. There was a great discussion about this some months back. I'll see if I can find it and post the link.

Update - although not the thread I was looking for I did find this in another thread:

The addresses are attributed to the streets by ranges. They are not geocoded by specific driveways. It is meant to get you close, but it may not get you right to the exact driveway.

As an example, say the address you want is 51 and the potential address range on the road segment is 1-99. The software will average that out and put 51 roughly in the middle. That may not always be reality...51 might even be the first or last house on the block...but it is put in the middle of the line segment in the map. As I mentioned, the addressing in the software is meant to get you close...and hopefully will...but the addresses are not coded to driveways specifically...they are averaged by full potential range along the road segments.

The example above is a bit simplistic, but I hope it might be at least a little worthwhile.

With what I'm saying above, too, there is a difference between the actual address range and the potential address range...and the vendors often geocode the addresses to the roads per the potential range and not necessarily the actual range and to specific houses and driveways. This potential range is also sometimes backwards or located on the wrong side of the street, especially in the areas that are not driven by NavTeq.

On A Avenue, for instance, between 1st and 2nd street the potential range will be 100-199. There may not that many dwellings in there, but that is the potential and what is attributed to the line segment.




Jerry_K Posted - 22 déc. 2007 : 14:54:58
hpatlik, there must be more to the street numbering than that. Here in Toronto (and elsewhere?) 'even' house numbers will be on one side of the street and 'odd' numbers on the other side. In a cul-de-sac (street ending in a circle) the numbering can be strange. Main streets with commercial occupancy can have missing numbers. On older streets where they pull down 2 adjacent houses and build 3 in their place they have to fit in an extra number, even or odd.

My own opinion is: It's not arithmetic; it's magic.
newvee Posted - 22 déc. 2007 : 13:24:02
quote:
Originally posted by Jerry_K

Garmin has now issued the upgrade to ver 5.2, available through the WebUpdater, for the NUVI 350 (and possibly others).

The attention chime is fixed and my SiRF SW still shows ver 3.0.

Good response from Garmin (with encouragement from this group).


It also is available to download from the website and agree with the quick turn around. I have really enjoyed this forum from switching over from another one.
hpatlik Posted - 22 déc. 2007 : 07:46:39
The way Garmin routes you to an address has nothing to do with the accuracy of the antennae. Street addresses are calculated by averaging the street numbering by the distance of the block. So, if a block is 400m long and the address numbering go from 1000 to 2000, address 1250 will be 100m (400*[(1250-1000)/(2000-1000)] from the start of the block. Obviously, not all buildings are evenly spaced and sometimes your GPS will be way off on a particular street address.

HPatlik

Jerry_K Posted - 22 déc. 2007 : 05:21:05
Garmin has now issued the upgrade to ver 5.2, available through the WebUpdater, for the NUVI 350 (and possibly others).

The attention chime is fixed and my SiRF SW still shows ver 3.0.

Good response from Garmin (with encouragement from this group).
Jerry_K Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 14:37:22
My accuracy (before and after the upgrade to 3.0) is occasionally 3 meters but usually 5 or 6 meters, as read on the Sat page. That is influenced *greatly* by the 'elastic band' which wants to place me on the nearest road, even when I'm in a parking lot.

However, there is a better measure. If I am routing to 4567 Yonge Street and it takes me exactly there, I think that's pretty good.
HHMoller Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 14:25:14
I never let WebUpdater lay its hands on my Nüvi 660. Instead WebUpdater gets to play with a copy on a USB PenDrive and I observe the difference after the WebUpdater session. In the case of upgrading GPS sw, I replaced 006B047800.bin with the new one. During power on (GPS receiver off) the Nüvi displayed a message about upgrading GPS sw. AboutSystem still showed v 2.90. After powering off and back on, version had changed to 3.00. No problems with GPS reception.
danham Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 14:15:26
johnlee33:

Using estimated position error (your 20 feet number) to conclude that there is something wrong with the GPS receiver is probably not very useful. Day to day and location to location variation can cause that too.

-dan
johnlee33 Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 09:49:24
After updated to SW Version 5.10 and GPS Firmware Version 3.0 (even though it remains showing 2.90), I experienced that the Satellite Accuracy is unstable and never gets better than 20 feet. So I reinstalled SW Version 5.0 to the unit, now the GPS Firmware shows 3.0 instead of 2.90. But the Satellite Accuracy problem still occurs, so I believe that the problem may be with the new GPS Firmware Version, not the SW version. Is anyone having the same problem?
lacibaci Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 02:23:18
Don't know. I re flashed it back to 5.0. Surprisingly the GPS SW now shows 3.00. Go figure...
PhilShare Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 01:59:09
Does this mean switchig to Jack or Karen will bring back the tone?
lacibaci Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 01:29:55
This is a repost from another thread...

Just let you know guys that Garmin just informed me that they are working on a fix that will address following issues:

After the 5.1 software update, the attention tone stopped working (Jill TTS voice) Also, the GPS SW still shows 2.90 even though it was supposed to be upgraded to 3.00.

-L
NanaimoRick Posted - 19 déc. 2007 : 05:14:24
Yen, it's been up and down for the last couple of days. Try http://www.tramsoft.ch/gps/garmin_nuvi350-firmware-upgrades_en.html#V0500
newvee Posted - 19 déc. 2007 : 04:48:33
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

All updates for all Nuvi models can be downloaded from this site as well:

http://gpsinformation.org/perry/nuvi/

This link is not working
jotne Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 21:28:16
Has this anything to do with SiRF firmware?
jamesish Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 16:53:12
Makes sense, Jerry. One option would be to use this software: http://tinyurl.com/34d83p to rerecord each word and phrase, but preceding each by screaming "SHUT THE *%$& UP!"
Jerry_K Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 14:42:26
Where you need the attention chime is when you have a car-full of talking people or when you're on the phone or when the radio is playing ...to shift your attention to the upcoming announcement.
jamesish Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 05:08:32
quote:
Originally posted by PhilShare

I haven't decided if I miss the attention tone or not.




FWIW, atttention tone drives me nuts. I want the Nuvi bugging me as little as possible. And if I'm in a high-stress driving situation where I'd really need attention tone, I'm usually paying especially careful attention to everything the unit is telling me, anyway, and so don't need the tone.

I guess I could imagine very very intricate driving situations (or very very sluggish reflexes) that would necessitate the tone, but I'm betting if you try without it, you'll like it.
Jerry_K Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 01:39:28
Here's a strange one: A friend (with my encouragement) bought a NUVI 350 this week. Out of the box it had Software Version 4.8 but SiRF Version 3.0.

Hmmmm ...I guess Garmin doesn't trust its own upgrades either.
PhilShare Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 23:51:05
Thx guys.
NanaimoRick Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 23:35:42
Same with me.
max64 Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 23:28:22
When reverting back from 5.10 to 5.0 on my Nuvi 350 it only warned me that I was installing an older firmware and that by doing so I would lose all my settings. Downgade went smooth and I just had to go back to my settings and re adjust my preferences. No biggie. All my favorites were still untouched.
PhilShare Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 22:51:45
I haven't decided if I miss the attention tone or not.

Will my nuvi complain if I try to run the 5.0 upgrade after it's already at 5.10?
guggie Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 05:05:51
Is the attention tone the ding you hear when you are notified of a proximity alert? If so, I hear them on my 760 with the latest firmware.
jamesish Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 05:03:15
Ah, ok, sorry.

Well, look at the bright side: the unit's a lot quieter with attention tone off (I can't stand it, personally)!
jharris2 Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 04:51:14
When I tried 5.10, I not only made sure the attention tone was on, but after that failed I used the old Windoze trick of setting it off then resetting it to make sure nothing was corrupted. Neither approach worked.
jamesish Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 03:56:49
quote:
Originally posted by konradsa

And btw, the attention tone does not seem to be working anymore on 5.10.



Just curious....did you make sure the pref remains "on" for attention tone in settings/navigation?
robogps Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 11:50:12
quote:
Originally posted by konradsa

And btw, the attention tone does not seem to be working anymore on 5.10. Has Garmin's quality control gone on strike lately? The last firmware releases seem to have caused more trouble than done good. I still remember the incident with the webupdater not being able to find the device anymore.

I mean, seriously, how many test cases can there be? Do they not test these firmwares before releasing them to the public? Do they just make sure that the unit still starts up and that's it?!?



Yep, I wrote about this on Dec 7 in this and should have included it here as well
thread:

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102203

I don't have confidence in Garmin updates as I once did. Seems like more things are broken than fixed.
jotne Posted - 13 déc. 2007 : 10:01:21
Got this from Garmin today:

Changes made from version 2.90 to 3.00:
Changes to support manufacturing.

7 page thread for this :)
rlwetzel Posted - 13 déc. 2007 : 02:27:51
Is there a way to update to the 3.0 GPS firmware w/o updating to the 5.1 software first and then backing up to the 5.0 software to get the GPS to update?
NanaimoRick Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 20:18:29
Just did the same thing and it works great. Thanks Konradsa for finding this and s4v8 for suggesting this maybe the problem, great detective work.
Jerry_K Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 20:12:19
...another round of applause for 'konradsa'. I downgraded to Ver 5.0. Then I turned it on and got a Sat-lock and the SiRF SW version went to 3.0.

Now I think I won't upgrade to 5.1 again because of the lack of the alarm chime which I depend on.

max64 Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 18:54:04
Great catch! Reverting to 5.0 did the trick and it shows 3.0. I guess it's waiting for firmware 5.20 so they can fix the problems from 5.10 and create new problems that will be taken care of with firmaware 5.30. hahaha
NanaimoRick Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 16:00:56
quote:
Originally posted by jotne
What if Perry would not archive files anymore?



Then I guess you would have to get them from a site like the one that konradsa posted.

In any event, I agree that the best place would be the Garmin site but since they don't seem to what to do this then we should just be glad there are sites like the ones noted in this thread. The great thing about the internet is there is always someone willing to provide a product or service that someone else can't or won't provide.
popej Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 13:19:46
It seems that Garmin do not release files for some units any more. You will not find nuvi 2xx on Garmin list of device for software upgarde:
http://www8.garmin.com/support/blosp.jsp

You are supposed to use WebUpdater.
jotne Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 08:05:03
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

All updates for all Nuvi models can be downloaded from this site as well:

http://gpsinformation.org/perry/nuvi/



I cannot understand why we have to use an external source for downloading old firmware.

I did ask Garmin about that and they told it was due to iso9001 standard. But that is not true, since I have worked with a larger company implementing iso9001. As long as you document what you are doing, there are no problems keeping older versions. iso9001 are used for documenting workflow and process in your company.

What if Perry would not archive files anymore?
konradsa Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 04:24:04
And btw, the attention tone does not seem to be working anymore on 5.10. Has Garmin's quality control gone on strike lately? The last firmware releases seem to have caused more trouble than done good. I still remember the incident with the webupdater not being able to find the device anymore.

I mean, seriously, how many test cases can there be? Do they not test these firmwares before releasing them to the public? Do they just make sure that the unit still starts up and that's it?!?
NanaimoRick Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 04:22:50
All updates for all Nuvi models can be downloaded from this site as well:

http://gpsinformation.org/perry/nuvi/
konradsa Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 03:58:00
quote:
Originally posted by s4v8


Is it possible that backrevving to 5.00 SW then loading the 3.00 GPS SW will work? Is there a way to backrev?



s4v8, you hit the nail on the head, that was the problem! I just downgraded to 5.00... and guess what, upon first reboot, the new GPS software 3.0 installs automatically. It must have been a leftover there from a previous unsuccessful webupdater install attempt. So firmware 5.10 is indeed the problem, it prevents the GPS firmware from installing.

In order to downgrade to 5.00, download the firmware from here <http://www.tramsoft.ch/gps/garmin_nuvi350-firmware-upgrades_en.html#V0500> and install.

Afterwards, I reinstalled 5.10 on my Nuvi 350, no problem. I now have firmware 5.10 and GPS software 3.00 installed.
Kir Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 21:13:35
My Nuvi 660 © 2006 took the update no problem.
Software version: 4.20
GPS SW Version: 3.00
s4v8 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 17:04:24
After looking at the above System Info screenshot. I read through the last 6 pages of posts and realize that everybody that has the 3.00 GPS SW is running 5.00 SW. I just loaded 5.10 on my e Nuvi 350 over the weekend and tried to load 3.00 but I'm still stuck at 2.90.

Has anybody noticed the copyright dates when the Nuvi is booting? The first screen shows a copyright of 2007 then it shows another one several seconds later that says 2006. Maybe the right SW is not being loaded at boot.

Is it possible that backrevving to 5.00 SW then loading the 3.00 GPS SW will work? Is there a way to backrev?
smiley1081 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 14:49:47
@thetaguy - Always been there.
newvee Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 13:45:30
quote:
Originally posted by max64

Updated to 5.10 with no problems. The 3.0 chipset update went through but still showing 2.90 on my Nuvi 350. Like someone mentioned before I wonder if it's the older units being affected by the chipset update no updating/showing. My Nuvi 350 is from early 2006.



Just curious how you know it went through? I have been wondering the same on mine because I definitely notice an increased speed on satellite hook up and re-calculations. I too believe that the chipset went through but still says 2.9. My 350 however is only 3 months old.
NanaimoRick Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 23:41:47
That gets my vote. My 350 is from late 2005 and there is no way I can get 3.00 to take.
max64 Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 23:29:24
Updated to 5.10 with no problems. The 3.0 chipset update went through but still showing 2.90 on my Nuvi 350. Like someone mentioned before I wonder if it's the older units being affected by the chipset update no updating/showing. My Nuvi 350 is from early 2006.
thetaguy Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 21:28:20
I updated my Nuvi 350 to SW version 5.0 and GPS SW version 3.00 using the WebUpdater. No problems with the update.

I think I spotted a new behavior on the 2D map view. I now see a cyan-colored circle around my location that gets larger or smaller depending on the fix accuracy. For example, if the sat screen reports "43 foot accuracy," I see a circle roughly 43 feet in diameter. When I cover the antenna with my hand the accuracy drops and the circle size increases. Go outside for a better fix and the circle gets smaller.

I only see the the behavior when I tap the screen from the default map view (3D or 2D), which then displays the 2D map. The circle is not present in the main navigation map screen.

Was this behavior there all along? If yes, I was just unobservant. Thanks.

NanaimoRick Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 16:50:44
Because the 3.0 upgrade is only available by using the Webupdater and not by download as version 2.9 was. At least I can't find a page on the Garmin website for it.
newvee Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 15:05:15
quote:
PER OUR FAQ, PLS DO NOT QUOTE MSG IF IT IS DIRECTLY ABOVE. THANKS.


OK thanks, I guess I am one of those that it does not work for. Can you explain though why on this upgrade page there is no mention to 3.0? When I read this it looks like the upgrade is to 2.9.
http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1629
Jerry_K Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 05:25:20
OK, to summarize the 'confusion', the SIRFIII chipset upgrade from 2.9 to 3.0 (for the NUVI 350 and some others) is available by checking the block for 'G' (with the vehicles and voices) AND/BUT the upgrade installs correctly for some and not for others, and no-one (yet) knows why or if a fix is on the way.

It did not work for me. If someone learns more, I'm sure they will post so we can get 3.0 working.
gpspassion Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 02:06:46
Yep and I just updated my Forerunner 205 to v3.0 too ;-)
Llama Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 17:32:14
Rick, once again, thanks for the prompt help. I misread the "=" in the thread as a dash telling me that I would want to go 3.0 -> 3.2.5 instead of Garmin GPS SW 300 *is* the SiRFIII 3.2.5.

Man, this Nuvi is making me feel like a total noob.
NanaimoRick Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 17:29:30
Larry, I'm sorry, I didn't go back and read all the posts in this thread but what is it your looking for?

From your sig. you have all the current updates as far as I can see. If your looking for GPS software v3.2.5 you will not find it as it doesn't exist. v3.2.5 is SiRF's firmware number for what Garmin calls Garmin GPS software v3.00, hence the title of this thread Garmin SiRFIII Units - v3.0 Update = FW v3.2.5.

Again sorry if I missed something or don't understand what you are looking for.
Llama Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 17:15:13
FWIW, I installed the Windows version of WebUpdate on a Vista box and still no GPS software appeared; has anyone with a 650 actually installed the new software via WebUpdate?

As for a manual install, I am not terribly clear how to do it or which download actually contains the correct bin/img for me to extract. :(
newvee Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 17:09:13
Installed the 5.1 just fine through WebUpdater then when I started it ran the loader software and completed the 5.1 install. I tyyed the Type G install through WebUpdater and it went through a fast install but my 350 always shows 2.9 also when I go to Garmins page http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1629
It looks to me that 2.9 is the latest Type G. I am confused.
Llama Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 15:42:37
Thanks Jonas, getting closer. My sig lists all the versions I have on my Nuvi, looks like I still need to figure out how to get the GPS SW version updated. But my map version is current, right?
stanswx Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 13:53:18
Just an FYI, this update works on my Forerunner 305. I also upgraded my GPS60CSx.
holmes4 Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 03:11:21
WebUpdater said that the 3.00 update was available for my 350 and that it "installed", but the version stays stuck at 2.90. I do have a unit older than November 2006.
JonasF Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 00:31:04
Try to disable the GPS receiver. (Fold down the antenna or in the menu)
I had the same problem with my Zumo. But when I disabled the GPS receiver the GPS firmware update started! (Had to disable it via the menu settings).

/Jonas
Llama Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 00:17:18
quote:
Originally posted by grayhawk

I bought the 650 at costco.com last week and it came loaded with GPS SW 3.0 on it. I did have to update it to 4.20, however.

Did you update the FW with WebUpdater? I just opened up my 650 from Costco and ran the updater (Mac version) and did not have any firmwares listed. I did, however, have what looked like an update the the traffic module IIRC and a mess of languages and vehicles though.
popej Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 15:51:32
Maybe I wasn't clear. GarminDevice.xml should be in the same place like in nuvi.
NanaimoRick Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 15:43:29
quote:
Originally posted by popej

Rick, did you try to copy GarminDevice.xml to SD? I have SD card with replicated nuvi directory structure and GarminDevice.xml in \garmin\ directory. WebUpdater sees this SD as GPSr.




I'll try that. I had copied the GarminDevice.xml file to the SD card and put it in a folder called \garmin\RemoteSW\ as you had suggested. That didn't work. I will try and duplicate the whole Internal Storage file structure on the SD card and see if that does the trick.

Thanks for your patience and help on this.
smiley1081 Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 09:17:10
quote:
Originally posted by cfw

33 and 37 are EGNOS /WAAS satellites.
And indeed I also found an improved reception of these 2.
I think the overall sensitivity of the gps receiver augmented.
Blue bars on satellite screen are bigger.



Yep, and ever since the update sat #37 appears regularly, and with a strong signal, now I can land without risk!
popej Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 09:12:34
Rick, did you try to copy GarminDevice.xml to SD? I have SD card with replicated nuvi directory structure and GarminDevice.xml in \garmin\ directory. WebUpdater sees this SD as GPSr.
robogps Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 07:36:35
My friend is having the same problem with his nuvi 350. He must have downloaded the v3.0 update 4-5 times. It says the update was a success, yet his unit remains at 2.9. Each time he goes back to webupdater, the download for 3.0 appears again.

I called Garmin support for him (we were at work and he was busy) and we tried numerous things, including deleting temp files, resets, etc. he even emailed me the bin file separately with no success.

The rep was perplexed. Apparently, he didn't know this is a known issue (neither did I till I saw this thread). I give him a lot of credit though; the rep was great and worked hard and long at trying to make it a successful upgrade.

He said he'll report the problem. Before we hung up he said that the chipset upgrade wasn't anything to get excited about anyway, and that he and others at Garmin don't see any significant and measurable improvement or difference between 2.9 and 3.0. Nothing empirical, just his casual observation.


The day before, I upgraded to 3.0 successfully on my wife's nuvi 350 (shows up as the 3.0 G chipset. Perhaps, certain builds on certain dates won't take. I also don't see any difference in sat performance. As a matter of fact, I think that there was quicker sat acquisition time and stronger performance under 2.9, but that could vary day by day, so I'll keep my eye on it.
NanaimoRick Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 01:50:58
Thanks for the suggestion. The problem is that Webupdater will only see the Nuvi's internal storage drive. Any suggestions on how to get it to see the SD card?
popej Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 01:34:21
See what you have in directory \garmin\RemoteSW\. On nuvi 200 WebUpdater replaces file 006B047800.bin. You can search inside this file for version string "GSC3f Software Version".

Next you can copy \garmin\GarminDevice.xml from nuvi to SD card and make \garmin\RemoteSW directory on this SD. Then show this card to WebUpdater as device to upgrade. I think WebUpdater will save upgrade file on SD. Ten you can copy this file manually to your nuvi.
NanaimoRick Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 01:18:24
Have you run the Webupdater since you downloaded 3.00?

Like you, I used the updater to download the update and it reported it was successful but when I checked it still shows 2.90. I have good sat lock and have done multiple resets with no luck. In frustration I attached the Nuvi to my PC again and ran the Webupdater. Guess what, it still shows the 3.00 update as available so in fact the 1st download didn't take.

I have now installed the update 4 times, my Nuvi still shows GPS SW version 2.90 and the 3.00 update still appears in the list of available updates using Webupdater. Not sure what the next step is????
Conundrum Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 00:17:57
quote:
Originally posted by danham

Did you get full satellite lock? Simply having the antenna open is not enough to show the change. Also, have you pressed the reset button (this will not erase any settings)?

-dan



Yep, I actually left the antenna open and the unit on for about 20 mins, then drove into work (40 mins) and it still says 2.90 not 3.00.
Bluto Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 18:47:51
Interesting responses. Since I've updated mine to 3.0 GPS software, I swear I am acquiring satellites MUCH faster than I was before (there was times it would take almost 2 minutes to get a "lock" on sats).

I have not done the 5.10 update (as of 11/16/07) but I am definitely pleased with my 5.0/3.0 combo.
Al89 Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 18:23:50
I don't know if this helps anyone, but when I first sought this update, I was told I didn't need it (was up to date); you then get the offer to update other things - languages, vehicles, etc. and Chipset G aka v3.00 was seen there. I assumed this meant I had it, as I have the orange compact car already, but no. Once ticked and then downloaded, the update was uploaded.
MikeMc Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 17:07:42
I used the unit today and it worked fine. I also reset, but it still shows 2.90
danham Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 15:28:20
Did you get full satellite lock? Simply having the antenna open is not enough to show the change. Also, have you pressed the reset button (this will not erase any settings)?

-dan
Conundrum Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 14:02:25
Nuvi 350 with the new 5.10 firmware...added the Type G chipset firmware as well, but under "about", I still see GPS SW Version: 2.90. Any ideas? I've tried pushing it a few times along with some additional voices or cursors, and I always get the cursors, but the chipset update doesn't seem to hold. I've also powered it up with the antenna open as MikeMc said, but still, 2.90 not 3.0.

I could do a master reset but is there any other way? I really don't want to lose all my favourites unless I have to...
MikeMc Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 22:14:36
GPS SW Version still at 2.90. However it seems that I have the latest firmware so I am not worried.
cfw Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 22:06:21
Latest version appears when you open the antenna and get contact with satellites.
MikeMc Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 21:36:45
After reading this topic I used WebUpdater to to update my Nuvi 350. I got Software Version 5.10 and was in the further options I selected GPS Chipset Type G. Both were installed. The GPS SW Version stayed at 2.90, but looking at the .bin file, it contained the string GWS3.2.5GARMIN_..... so it looks that I have the latest Sirf firmware. Is there a Version 3.0 for the 350?

Mike
cfw Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 20:57:41
33 and 37 are EGNOS /WAAS satellites.
And indeed I also found an improved reception of these 2.
I think the overall sensitivity of the gps receiver augmented.
Blue bars on satellite screen are bigger.
plumeria Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 19:16:32
Smiley1081 - What is the significance of satellite #37? I think its significance is lost on most of us...

peter
danham Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 15:16:58
The only change I have observed - and I have to stress that it may be due to factors unrelated to the update - is that the tunnel dead reckoning seems worse.

Last night going to Boston it gave me repeated "poor satellite reception" alerts instead of estimating my route through the Big Dig.

That's the bad news. The good (though most likely unrelated to firmware and more due to v2008) is that given a wrong turn in South Boston (an area I am not at all familiar with), it routed us back on course quickly and efficiently - no mean feat in the post-Dig chaos.

-dan
ehuber Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 12:57:00
As suggested by some of you I proceeded with a reset. Normal reset first with the button under my nuvi 250. It did not do anything. Then I made a master reset (hard reset by pressing the bottom right corner of the screen while powering on). You are asked if you want to erase all your infos. I did all these operations outside with a clear sky and waited 15 to 20 minutes. Reconfigured it seems now that my nuvi works again...hope so.
BTW I still don't know what are the effects of the chipset upgrade to 3.0.
smiley1081 Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 08:50:19
Updated yesterday evening, and I got a solid lock on Sat #37...
Al89 Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 05:33:45
I did manage to update my 370 from 2.90 to 3.00 eventually - thanks for the aid.

Haven't found it makes any difference to satellite acquisition.
peproue Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 03:13:40
I am also having problems acquiring sats since the update on my Nuvi360, Not a good update for my unit.
russelsm Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 02:42:28
I've updated mu Nuvi 350, 370 and 680, and Edge 350.

-Mark.
gpspassion Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 01:31:18
Most likely, you can check for sure by looking at the GPS software version in \system\about it's probably v3.00s
OrlandoRealtor Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 00:18:19
My 760 has Sirf III and doesn't have an update. It must already be up to date.
Xring Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 23:47:40
I just did a cold start with my Nuvi 200 and it took about 45 seconds from power on.

I'm not sure, but my Nuvi seems to working about the same as before the update.

ehuber Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 21:11:16
Since the Chipset upgrade to 3.0 big difficulties to get satellites. Sometimes it last 3 to 4 minutes in the morning...I have read similar problems on a german forum. More difficulties as well when your are in a less favorable area. In short the uprade is negative for me.
grayhawk Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 17:46:13
I bought the 650 at costco.com last week and it came loaded with GPS SW 3.0 on it. I did have to update it to 4.20, however.
wrainey Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 16:21:54
In a first time use of the Mac OS X web updater, I ran the the G update on a 60Cx. The process was free of overt glitches.
gpspassion Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 14:43:40
OT here, we have a dedicated thread about the three different chipsets used by Garmin -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=91508
weikehai Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 14:32:36
Thanks popej. Do you have idea what the major difference is for the different chipset?
smiley1081 Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 13:51:24
An MTK nuvi for sale, interesting...

Previously we had heard only about pre-production units.
popej Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 12:57:57
weikehai, SW 2.30m means that you have MTK chipset in your nuvi. Firmware for SiRF ends with letter 's'. You have to wait for chipset type 'M' upgrade ;-)
Bluto Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 07:15:03
Just updated my 350 with no problems (now running 5.0/3.0).

No idea what improvements are to be had but I look forward to using it in the morning.
weikehai Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 05:17:40
I just bought a Nuvi 270. I updated FW to 3.5 with the SW version is 2.30m, and WebUpdator does not offer any new update. Any one knows what chipset it has?
gpspassion Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 17:37:20
Good point, I'd say no, but I did have to do a reset with the reset button in the back on the 660 for it to switch to v3.00.

Update - successfully updated nüvi 300 too.

In the meantime I found out that since the latest v3.2.4 version released last year, improvements include better jamming mitigation and enhanced ephemeris collection in difficult environments, something that helps to get a "warm fix" while driving out in the morning ;-)
classical Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 17:34:11
Is it a good idea to do a master reset after updating the firmware or is that unnecessary?
gpspassion Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 10:05:42
Yes, you need to check that box and let it download the update for you and then install it. The first WebUpdater screen is for the "main software" updates and the second one is for "additional software" (GPS, TMC firmwares, voices, arrows, etc...).
Al89 Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 10:01:49
Like Rich, when I run updater I am not offered any firmware updates for the 370; however, if I then look at the updates for vehicles, I see "Chipset Type G" above them. I was assuming I had it already, since it was not offered, but now I wonder (If Type G = SW ver 3.00?)

All very muddlesome for the ignorant
Xring Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 04:16:08
quote:
Originally posted by BAVC10

I ran Webupdater on my Nuvi 660 tonight and wasn't offered an update. Is anyone able to post a link please?

thanks



When I ran Updater on my Nuvi 200, I wasn't offered any new updates.
But, when I looked at the language list, I saw the new update
at the top of the list. I selected it and it loaded.
gpspassion Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 01:08:35
No, again, "Type G chipset" can only refer to a chipset, not to software, so in this case, "Type G chipset" = "SiRFstarIII chipset"..."Type S" would have made more sense, probably the original code name. And for a chipset you use the term firmware rather than software, as for a motherboard.
tunafish Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 01:02:05
'Type G chipset' refers to the basic software for the SiRF chipset on all nuvi units using SirF chips. The most recent version should be 3.0. Unlcear why some nuvis get the update but not others. My old nuvi 350 got updated to 3.0. My new nuvi 350 came w/ 3.0 so no update done.
BAVC10 Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 00:53:39
I ran Webupdater on my Nuvi 660 tonight and wasn't offered an update. Is anyone able to post a link please?

thanks
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:44:04
Well that must mean Garmin haven't rolled out the new firmware for the 370 then, what else ? I'll check on my old 300 later.

"The updater if I move through the menus tells me I have Type G." which menus ? Can you make a screenshot ?
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:31:51
And you me.

Current GPS SW version is 2.90 according to my unit. According to Updater, there is no update for the 370 to 3.00 - in the sense that nothing is prompted. The updater if I move through the menus tells me I have Type G.

But I thought the point of the updater was to update? You're telling me that I can't rely on it?
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:26:13
You've lost me...anyway, while the details are not yet known, SiRF firmware upgrades happen once a year so they're an "event" of sorts.

Now if anyone has a SiRFstar III based Garmin that isn't already running v3.00 and isn't getting the option to download an update it would be interesting to know. Might be your case but since you don't give your current GPS version it's hard to tell.
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:16:16
What's there to be mystified about?

The thread is titled about the 250 but another poster says the update applies to all Nuvi units.

I have a 370. Garmin's updater says no need to update and their support page says the last update for the 370 was 2 May 2007. My 370 appears to have the update already anyway- the updater say it has Type G chipset - and I bought it back in July.

So what's the big deal here about an "update" to "all units" which doesn't seem to be an update at all?
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:06:46
Actually 3.2.5 but yes the internal SiRF rev is not shown, it seems Garmin is trying to "hide" them, like calling it "chipset type G" ;-)
VeeTee Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 22:03:45
To be clear on this, when we look at the under system "about" on the Nuvi itself, even though it is GSW3.3.5, all we will see is "GPS SW Version 3.00" ?
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 19:57:53
What's to be mystified about? If you've done the update can you check to see if you have an .rgn file on your unit so we can try to figure out what SiRFIII firmware version they've rolled out, see my comments on the previous page.

UPDATE #1 - Realized I still had a nüvi 200 around, so I went ahead and did the upgrade to v3.50 first and then got the option to download the "Type G" firmware, and I found that the SiRF firmware is GSW3.2.5GARMIN_3.3.01.06-SDK001P1.0 - the first time I've seen a 3.2.5 generation, added here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27925

UPDATE #2 - The webupdater also found a v3.0 update for the Garmin 60CSx. It's likely all the SiRFstarIII based Garmin GPS systems are having that v3.2.5 firmware update rolled out. I'll rename the thread ;-)
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 19:45:16
I'm mystified by this thread - can someone help? This seems to be an update for the 250 which gives it what 3xx and others had already? So what's the big deal?
jotne Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 17:41:27
My 60Csx has SiRF so I did already know that Garmin named it "Type G" for some strange reason.
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 17:30:03
Thanks for the link, here's what I did
1. Download .exe
2. Extract .rgn
3. Found FW rev number : GSW3.2.4GARMIN_3.1.00.12-SDK001P1.01

In other words, "type G" = "SiRFstarIII" and v2.90 updated the firmware to v3.2.4...LAST YEAR

Now if anyone can do that for v3.00 or has a link to download the v3.00 we can see what FW they've pushed this time.
tunafish Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 17:14:01
Go to Settings-->System-->About. It's "GPS SW version: 3.00" on my nuvi 350. That's the Chipset type G.

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1629
"PS Chipset Type G software version 2.90 as of November 27, 2006
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 15:21:52
"Chipset type G" ? Wonder what that can be, are you seeing that as reference in the "hidden" menus ?
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 15:16:50
From what can see, the 370 came with SiRF III and chipset type G - so no upgrade required
VeeTee Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 13:29:19
For what it is worth, the GPSmap 60CSx, which also has the SIRF chipset, was updated to 3.0 via the Web Updater also. It appears that all SIRF GPSrs were udated to 3.0, not only the Nuvis.
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 13:20:08
But AFAIK, only the 2xx range has had non-SiRF chipsets, actually the "internal" Garmin Bravo, the MTK version has only been seen on some engineering samples, neoadrenalin had one if memory serves.
jotne Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 12:27:29
Garmin has use at least 3 chipset i the Nüvi line, so If you do not see SiRF update in Webupdater, you do not have SiRF.
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 12:03:54
The 370 has a sirf chipset, surely?
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 11:23:06
quote:
Originally posted by popej

It's new firmware for SiRF chipset.


Have you found the firmware revision chain, normally something like FW3.xxx
cfw Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 10:29:34
sorry- for all Garmin GPS with Sirf-chipset
Al89 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 00:29:28
For all? Webupdater says different for my 370.
cfw Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 23:26:14
GPS chipset update available via Webupdater for all Nuvis (not only 250)
Xring Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 21:06:40
So far, the only difference I see is the world map page..
(White on top and bottom)..

I wonder if there are any release notes around?
popej Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 18:54:43
It's new firmware for SiRF chipset.
The Max Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 18:34:58
Euh... Meaning?

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