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GpsShopper Posted - 12 oct. 2007 : 03:31:04
UPDATED 20100719 : Raw logging is also available on the nuvi 37xx series, see details on page 49
UPDATED 20091106 : Member adamschneider has created a facility in GPS Visualizer that can read and output the gps.bin files generated by the Garmin Nuvi devices.

Convert to GPX: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert?convert_output=gpx
Draw a Google Map: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input?form=google
Make a KML file: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input?form=googleearth

The nav.bin files are NOT supported.


UPDATED 20090725 : The hidden data logger can be activated on the nuvi 1xxx series by a long press on the "compass" on the left side of the "trip computer" screen. As usual you need a satellite lock to activate recording.

UPDATED 20090429 : Forum member HalliHallo has kindly compiled a PDF document summarizing the contents of this topic click >> HERE << to view it.

Note that on the 2x5 models the gps.bin file is in \debug
UPDATED 20090406 : It turns out the hidden raw data logger has been there all the time, as an "easter egg" requiring a specific sequence that dcnuvi found by accident and that emmexx managed to recreate :
quote:
Enter "Where am I" (from the tools menu or clicking on the arrow icon on the navigation map)
then click in the following order on:
1. Nearest Junction (header of Nearest Junction/Intersection)
2. Nearest Address (header of Nearest Address)
3. Nearest Address (header of Nearest Address)
4. Nearest Junction (header of Nearest Junction/Intersection)
Bingo, the logging menu is there !

If you make a mistake you must exit the "Where am I" menu and start again. As a side effect the "screen shot" icon appears.

[ed]It's fairly obvious but it puzzled me at first, if you don't have a fix, the menus are greyed out unless logging is already active. I noticed it survives a restart and that you can deactivate the screenshot feature in tools/settings/display.

Tested so far on the nuvi 2x5, 2x5w, 550, 760, 755.

UPDATED 20090316 : Raw Tracklog can be now be enabled again on the nuvi 7x0 with software v4.60, see details on page 28.

REMINDER : as suggested by a forum member, this has already been discussed before, but a reminder can never hurt, flashing your GPS with an unofficial firmware version (be it to enable the raw logger or revive your dead GPSwith the "cure firmware) is something you are doing under your sole responsibility and it means you will not be able to get support from Garmin in case of a problem with your GPS in the future.
TIP - ACTIVATING HIDDEN TRACK LOG FEATURE
nüvi 2xx, nüvi 7xx



Useful links :
Decoding tool programmed by popej : >> DETAILS <<
Compared to nüvi 7xx built-in logger : >> DETAILS <<


UPDATED 20080526 - popej has added a GUI to his nuvitrak tool, details here on page 14.

UPDATED 20080205 - HOW TO KEEP THE HIDDEN LOGGER WHEN UPDATING : quite by accident I realized that the "hidden track log" feature that was quickly removed by Garmin actually survives a software update, provided the logging mode was active prior to the update. z.entropic wrote a how to if you want to use that trick and popej updated his nutrak conversion tool.

UPDATED 20071117 : the v3.50 update for the 2xx series REMOVES the hidden logging mode, see here for the changelog from v3.40 to v3.50.

UPDATED 20071111 : hidden log feature can be activated on the 7xx series too, tested to work with FW2.20. Compared to the built-in track feature it records the raw data apparently, not the "snapped to road" data.

NOTE BY GPSPASSION : track recorded in binary format, use the tool written by popej to convert to .gpx, link is below.

I just updated my Nuvi 250 to 3.40 and I notice that Garmin has added the possibility to record the travel log. This features could be found in the hidden menu which could be accessed by pressing and holding on the speedometer for about 10 sec. Press next to go to the Travel log screen. From this, I could start a new log or replay an existing log. I haven't tried to connect the Nuvi to the PC to see what I could do with the log files. Does anyone has more experience with this new feature?

Log screen - Logging in progress:


Log entries - Play back param:


Play back in progress:



REMINDER 20120707 : Jotne reports that if you leave the hidden track log stored in the internal memory of your Nuvi it can grow in size over time. It is possible that the file can become so big that little free space remains in internal storage and this can cause the unit to slow down considerably. Of course this is a much bigger issue on devices with only 2GB of internal storage space.
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ktan Posted - 30 mai 2013 : 13:33:38
Which SW version has the 2nd map enable in SD card? SW for HWID 0827 does not have lane assist feature, but SW for HWID 0930 does. HWID 0930 has a newer SW 3.10; but, I found it unstable in my 255W.

I would like to have 2nd map in SD card and lane assist, if possible. I don't need raw logging in SD card (I am fine with raw logging in the main memory).

Thanks.
moddie Posted - 30 mai 2013 : 07:44:42
I'm willing to make a patch to add raw logging to the latest version(s) of firmware (that Garmin has enabled the second map on the SD card).

From what I understand now, you are using an older version of firmware because of the lane assist feature. If there is a new firmware that has both lane assist and second map on SD card then I should be able to fairly easily add a raw logging patch.

It would probably require quite a bit more time than I'd be willing to donate to port the second map on SD card feature to a firmware that does not have it.
ktan Posted - 30 mai 2013 : 02:05:18
Hi Moddie,

It was HWID 0827. But, I patched it with HWID 0930 to enable the lane assist feature with SW 3.00.

I forgot how I patched it. But, the GarminDevice.xml indicates the following:
<PartNumber>006-B0930-00</PartNumber>
<SoftwareVersion>300</SoftwareVersion>
<Description>nüvi 255W</Description>

Do you need anything else from me to create the patch enabling the 2nd map file in SD card?

Thanks.
moddie Posted - 30 mai 2013 : 00:16:55
Let me know what HWID your 255w is and I can make a patch for yours.
NanaimoRick Posted - 29 mai 2013 : 16:10:56
quote:
Originally posted by Fuse

Thank you, NanaimoRick!
The names of files in a folder with maps (\map) can be arbitrary?
(a.img, b.img, c.img, etc)


Yes, they can be any name that you want, but it doesn't look like this is an option with the 2xx models according to the post above.
ktan Posted - 29 mai 2013 : 15:11:54
Does the patch work for 255W enabling second map on SD card?
Fuse Posted - 29 mai 2013 : 07:15:53
Thank you, moddie!
Your patch has been installed on my Nuvi 260 (hwid=0660). At first glance it works fine! FW version is 5.10, "Tracking control" menu is enabled, does raw logging on SD. The second map (gmapsup1.img) on SD is supported. I'm still going to test it more.
Thank you very much!
moddie Posted - 28 mai 2013 : 20:13:28
@Fuse, I believe you are looking at the gcd file and comparing the gcd files. Try extracting the fw_all.bin from each gcd file using TurboCCC's RGN_Tool from http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/RGN_Tool

Then compare each fw_all.bin file. The changes should match my patch list. Also the file offsets should match my list.
popej Posted - 28 mai 2013 : 19:40:12
260 doesn't support \Map folder. On SD you can have 2 files: gmapsupp.img and gmapsup1.img, both in \Garmin folder.
Fuse Posted - 28 mai 2013 : 19:31:29
Thank you, NanaimoRick!
The names of files in a folder with maps (\map) can be arbitrary?
(a.img, b.img, c.img, etc)
NanaimoRick Posted - 28 mai 2013 : 19:26:02
Older Nuvi's like the 260 were originally limited to a file name of gmapsupp.img on the SD card. There were firmware updates on some models like the 1xxx series that allowed for a /map folder on the SD card and in that folder you could have map files with any name. This maybe what the firmware update 5.10 is referring to when it says "added support for additional map files on the SD".
Fuse Posted - 28 mai 2013 : 19:04:06
moddie, thank you for your work!

I compared the two files:
nuvi2xx_regionfileonly__510.gcd which taken from the site Garmin
and your nuvi2xx_HWID660_SW510_TracklogPatched.gcd

However, in the firmware that you suggested, there are changes that you did not mention:

1) Patch -1 @ 00048h
From 31 32
to 30 38 (why 2012 turned to 2008) ???
2) Patch 0 @ 00072h
From 4C
to 47

Why my offsets do not such as yours?
Patch 1 @ 3D32A
From 73 21 52 4E F9 F7 E4 FE
to 1A F2 98 FB 00 00 51 4E

3D32Ah is 9250Dh

Patch 2 @ 4CBF4
From 30 to 31

4CBF4h is A1DDBh

etc...

===

And "Difference between 5.00 and 5.10 is "added support for additional map file on SD"."
What names are the maps in the SD memory?
The same as that in the internal memory?
My internal memory (now, fw 5.00):
gmapbmap.img
gmapprom.img
gmapprom1.img
gmapsupp.img
External (SD):
gmapsupp.img
What's new in 5.10?
moddie Posted - 27 mai 2013 : 10:18:55
I don't have a nuvi with HWID 660 but I've figured out the patches needed for the raw tracklog for the 5.10 firmware.

Fuse or anyone else with a HWID 660 nuvi can test the patched firmware. For the next 90 days it can be downloaded from http://wikisend.com/download/339748/nuvi2xx_HWID660_SW510_TracklogPatched.7z. Once it is verified working, feel free to host it elsewhere.

If anyone wants to take a hex editor to fw_all.bin from HWID 660, 5.10 firmware, here are the patches I used:
Patch 1 @ 3D32A
From 73 21 52 4E F9 F7 E4 FE
  to 1A F2 98 FB 00 00 51 4E

Patch 2 @ 4CBF4
From 30 to 31

Patch 3 @ 64290
From 88 13
  to 32 00

Patch 4 @ 94DFC
From 30 to 31

Patch 5 @ 9523C
From 30 to 31

Patch 6 @ 100768
From 30 to 31

Patch 7 @ 11F1CC
From 30 to 31

Patch 8 @ 257A5E
From 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
  to B5 49 07 05 D1 00 22 00 20 03 49 DF F5 71 F9 02 E0 73 21 DF F5 42 FB 00 BD 99 C8 08 10

Patch 9 @ 57A5FF
From 3C to 04
neadrenalin Posted - 26 mai 2013 : 21:52:17
Fuse should buy another device (4 years! Garmin did impressive job these days). nuvi 260 is good, but not so good as modern nuvi devices with Glonass.
I have no reason to create 5.10 version for such obsolete device, sorry. Difference between 5.00 and 5.10 is "added support for additional map file on SD".
Garmin Express has nothing new for your device, so avoid to use it.
Basecamp has a setting to disable check for updates.
Do not run the Webupdater. That is all.

SergZak,
if you have 5.00 patched, the update to 5.10 will remove raw tracklog capability.
SergZak Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 17:54:14
With the topic being 53 pages, I'd have to read through the whole thing to refresh myself as I certainly don't have a photographic memory. Maybe popej has one...
ST-Bob Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 17:23:23
Lack of reading comprehension on my part, no doubt. I never looked at the date on the post prior to the one about the firmware version.

Sorry
NanaimoRick Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 16:28:38
My question is, what does any of this have to do with the question Fuse posted today about loosing raw logging if he updates the firmware to 5.10. I'm a bit confused as to why that post got a conversation going about encryption which seems to stem from a post that's more than 2 months old.
popej Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 13:53:54
Sorry, you have lost your bet ;)
Read pages 8, 9 of this thread.
ST-Bob Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 13:11:51
Well that's not likely to be an encryption, per-se, but a data packing technique such as zip or similar. Why would there be any need to ad the excess program overhead of encrypting the binary tracklog? It serves no purpose. Packing the data to take less space, however, serves a very useful and necessary purpose. My bet is on this rather than an encryption algorithm.
popej Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 13:04:36
Why do you think it is not encrypted, have you looked at data?

Well, it is encrypted. If i remember correctly it is like byte XOR with a value, which is constant for several bytes and then increases with irregular intervals.
ST-Bob Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 12:37:55
quote:
Originally posted by kpk

I have a nuvi 1450. I succeeded in getting both the .bin and .gpx raw diagnostic track logs. The problem: The format of the .bin log is unfamiliar to me. My guess is that it has been encrypted. Has anybody done any work on this type of file? I have been able to get some header information, It begins with "LOG:" then I believe the next field is seconds of the week (4bytes) and the header size looks to be 128bytes total followed by all the records. It looks like the number of bytes per record varies, is that possible?. I suspect that may be a clue as to the type of encryption. If somebody knows the type of encryption I am willing to work on it to decrypt the data.

Why would you think it's encrypted? It's probably just in a binary format you don't recognise.
Fuse Posted - 23 mai 2013 : 12:34:59
Hello!
I have Nuvi 260, HWID = 0660, version 5.0 with patch (066001000500_sd.rgn), which opens the raw logging. Yesterday I installed the Garmin.Express on my PC, who wants to upgrade a software to 5.10. But I'm afraid of losing raw logging. Will the raw logging is also available in the software version 5.10 for my Nuvi 260?
Thx!
kpk Posted - 19 mars 2013 : 13:55:34
I have a nuvi 1450. I succeeded in getting both the .bin and .gpx raw diagnostic track logs. The problem: The format of the .bin log is unfamiliar to me. My guess is that it has been encrypted. Has anybody done any work on this type of file? I have been able to get some header information, It begins with "LOG:" then I believe the next field is seconds of the week (4bytes) and the header size looks to be 128bytes total followed by all the records. It looks like the number of bytes per record varies, is that possible?. I suspect that may be a clue as to the type of encryption. If somebody knows the type of encryption I am willing to work on it to decrypt the data.
popej Posted - 22 sept. 2012 : 02:07:34
No change. There is gpx mode in new devices, understanding bin is not necessary to have a tracklog.
jsolo213 Posted - 21 sept. 2012 : 22:26:38
Popej, any updates on converting the raw (.bin) track logs from the newer units (37xx/35xx)?
gpspassion Posted - 11 juil. 2012 : 19:42:24
Not sure but the author will know the answer ;-)
danham Posted - 11 juil. 2012 : 13:07:53
Zumo owners will definitely find this useful. Now, how about a Mac version [g]?

-dan
gpspassion Posted - 11 juil. 2012 : 12:28:09
Thanks for the tip indeed, here's another one on a related topic : the latest version of Pixel K's GPX Editor (beta section) has a very useful new feature for those trying to extract a meaningful track from the GPX archives recorded by Garmin nuvi (and maybe other) GPS systems. It's a "rolling" archive so it means there well be some "backtracking" going on when they are assembled as well as many data points being doubled up. Now a simple right click will take care of this problem.
NanaimoRick Posted - 07 juil. 2012 : 16:02:29
Thanks for the heads up. First post has been updated.
jotne Posted - 07 juil. 2012 : 11:56:23
My old Nüvi 765 suddenly added 2 minutes to the boot time. I do not remember exactly when it happen, it may have been slower and slower over the time. I started to investigate what was the reason for this. I thought it was the number of maps I had on the unit and deleted nearly all maps, but no luck. There was also plenty of free spaces on the internal drive.
So by some coincident I was looking in the raw log folder (I have always raw log on), there was nearly 700M of raw log data
Deleting it and wow what a different in boot time. Just like getting a fresh new GPS :)

It may be posted in post #1 as a reminder to other that lots of log files may slow down the GPS.

Driving around in Brasil at the moment :)
aquaman8 Posted - 25 mai 2012 : 20:08:38
Hi,
I have a 3790 and have 3 questions:

1) In RAW Logger mode are the coordinates stored in 2D or 3D?
2) Does the automatic trip logger store 2D or 3D points and if I place the unit in pedestrian mode, will the stored coordinates not be snapped to road locations?
3) The time interval between stored points is 1 second in RAW Logger mode; What is it for the TRIP LOG mode?

Thanks,

Mitch
spokybob Posted - 15 juil. 2011 : 17:38:28
295w Raw Logging
To start recording:
Setting>Press battery icon 10 seconds>Test pages>gps>gps info
Touch > Start NMEA Logging
Touch>Start SNR Logging.

The unit will continue to log at intervals of 1 second. Until:
1. Unit is powered down.
2. Unit is connected to PC.
3. Command to stop NMEA and SNR Logging.

The unit will record vast amounts of data if left in sleep mode.

Connect unit to PC in mass storage mode.
Go to: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/
Get started now. Browse:
My Computer> Garmin Nuvi (J)>Garmin Folder>debug>nmea folder>
Gps_log_nmea0.txt >open

In gpsVisualizer: Choose output format: >select GPX
Click GO
Click Download
Save to Temp file.
fulltlt Posted - 15 juil. 2011 : 17:29:49
quote:
Originally posted by spokybob

quote:
Originally posted by spokybob

The raw logger works great on my 1490t. I have tried the procedures for the 2x5 nuvis with my 295w. No luck. Can someone help me? The next page does not come up when I do the 2a 2b 2b 2a sequence
I discovered the method on my 295. Thanks anyway



What is the method for accessing the logging screen that works for the 295w?
moddie Posted - 20 mai 2011 : 07:11:20
First off, many thanks to neadrenalin for making the original tracklog patch and sharing it with us.

Thanks also to TurboCCC for the RGN_Tool that I used to get neadrnalin's firmware on my nuvi 200 with hardware id 0834. After the fact I managed to get the device into the mode to use the updater.exe software but I find it much easier to just override the version with RGN_Tool and save as a GCD.

Looking at the differences between the original 5.00 software and neadrenalin's patched software I managed to figure out enough of what it was doing to modify it to move his patch code to a better location that not only gets rid of the stray color pixels in gray borders of buttons but it also helps the device boot more quickly due to reducing the display of the WARNING message from 10 seconds down to 1 about one second. Eventually I'll probably manage to get rid of the WARNING message completely. I also thought I might rearrange the hidden menu to make the tracklog menu show up first when pushing the speedometer so you don't have to hit the "next" button.

I'd welcome any knowledge as to further understanding of the inner workings of the firmware if neadrenalin or anyone else cares to share. I'd really like to add the ability to have recent city(s) to choose from instead of having to select the state and spell out the city. I'd <really> appreciate it if someone can help me better understand the procedure for calculating the offset values in ARM assembly. As it is, when I needed to relocate a branch in the firmware, I would just change part of it and then reload the file in a disassembler until I got the right address! It usually took tens of tries before I succeeded.

Finally, here is a link to my patched version of 5.00 firmware for the nuvi with hardware id 0834. I've included a version to log to internal flash as well as one to log to an SD card.

http://www.mediafire.com/?rgqbp0r947bgm57

enjoy!
danham Posted - 22 mars 2011 : 00:30:45
For off-road, yes definitely you will need the right tool for the job. For on-road the routes can be edited and controlled with enough "shaping points" to force the GPS to conform to where you want to go. See the link in my signature for details.

-dan
dirtdad Posted - 22 mars 2011 : 00:11:07
I am looking for a true "track" capability, any routes brought into a 7XX are subject to re-routing according to its routing algorithm. Looks like a real off road GPS is the only way to go.
danham Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 21:01:21
OK, now I think I get it. jsolo is correct, but there's a fairly decent workaround.

Transfer the track from your GPS to BaseCamp. Select the track and in the Edit menu drag down to Create Route From Track. Load the new route into the GPS. Import the route on your GPS into the active list.

-dan
jsolo213 Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 20:09:35
7XX does not support tracks in that capacity. You'll want a zumo or possibly one of the street pilot devices.
dirtdad Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 20:04:27
My goal is to bring a track into the 7XX, I should have been more specific. GPX files can either be tracks or routes. I can bring in routes, but I am trying to use the 7xx for tracks, if possible, and these logs look like a way to do it.

Nice bike, BTW.
danham Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 18:42:28
If I'm missing the point, please correct me, but if it's already in GPX format, why would you want to change it to bin if the end goal is a route on your GPS? If I'm on-track here then you could edit the GPX file in MapSource or BaseCamp and save it as a route to export directly to your 7xx.

-dan
dirtdad Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 14:51:09
Is there software that will convert a GPX file to a .bin raw log file that can be imported into the Garmin and show up on my 7XX for navigation?
NYdubber Posted - 21 mars 2011 : 12:47:26
thanks. I also have a 200, but it is my work unit. I'll have to mess with it and get the info for it.

Thanks again for that, with all the reading I did the fact that the 200w wasn't a possible benefactor of this completely eluded me.
Red90 Posted - 20 mars 2011 : 22:34:59
It does not work on a 200W.
NYdubber Posted - 20 mars 2011 : 16:12:58
I have literally gone through all 50+ pages in this thread (and a few other websites) over the past 3-4 days trying to get track logging working on my Nuvi 200w.

I am a district manager in the paper business and this feature would be beyond useful to me. I have routes going down constantly and it would make my job so much easier. Anyway....

I have tried each thing mentioned to others with a similar model to that of my own. Only problem, as of this morning, my PC no longer recognizes when I even plug the unit in. I get the "connected to PC" icon on the unit itself, but nothing shows as connected on the PC. This just started this morning.

Aside from that, when it was recognized, I couldn't get G7towin to tell me what ID I had. It kept giving me the same error messages countless others said they had received. I tried going into g7towin config and doing USB instead of comm and it would give me another error saying the "failed getting USB handle".

I had firmware 3.4, updated with webupdater to 4.0. I want to go back to 3.4, can't find my ID, and really want/need this tracklog option.

Thanks very much in advance for any help.
spokybob Posted - 16 mars 2011 : 22:42:16
quote:
Originally posted by spokybob

The raw logger works great on my 1490t. I have tried the procedures for the 2x5 nuvis with my 295w. No luck. Can someone help me? The next page does not come up when I do the 2a 2b 2b 2a sequence

I discovered the method on my 295. Thanks anyway
gpspassion Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 06:01:55
Thanks for taking a closer look, my fault for starting this discussion here though ;-) I started a new topic to discuss the "Trip Log" with your original message, here is is : [TOPIC] Understanding the "Trip Log" of the nuvi !
NanaimoRick Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 04:51:43
I always use the Diagnostic Logging feature, turned on through the Speedo screen, to create a GPX file log. This method creates a new log file very time I turn the Nuvi on and closes it when I turn the 3790 off. This makes it very simple to establish what dates the logs cover using the various GPX file "date stamps".

Maybe someone here can explain how the "Archive" gpx log files created on my 3790 are created because looking at the files and their contents, I have no idea. [ed - moved to the new [TOPIC] Understanding the "Trip Log" of the nuvi]
gpspassion Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 01:24:15
Thanks, will have to check, wonder why I only had 2 months of history, maybe I did some cleaning last year...
NanaimoRick Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 01:19:46
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Excellent news, didn't realize it worked like that, duh...I seem to have logs for the past two months, is there a limit on the number of archives it creates, or does it just depend on the available space?



I believe it's available space, the same limitation you have when you turn Diagnostic Logging on through the Speedo screen. The other difference of course is that the Archive logs are stored in the GPX folder on the Nuvi, which is visible by default while the Diagnostic logs are written to the Logs folder, which is inside the hidden .system folder

maxime1986 Posted - 23 févr. 2011 : 00:09:37
@NanaimoRick : thanks ; I made a backup, upgrade to v5.00 and now I can record the raw track directly in gpx :-)

So Raw logging is available in nuvi 1350 with software v5.00
gpspassion Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 23:45:32
Excellent news, didn't realize it worked like that, duh...I seem to have logs for the past two months, is there a limit on the number of archives it creates, or does it just depend on the available space?
NanaimoRick Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 23:29:38
The 37xx also creates the gpx log files in the GPX\Archive directory.
spokybob Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 23:27:57
The raw logger works great on my 1490t. I have tried the procedures for the 2x5 nuvis with my 295w. No luck. Can someone help me? The next page does not come up when I do the 2a 2b 2b 2a sequence
popej Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 23:24:03
No archiving of tracks?
nuvi 205 creates directory \Garmin\GPX\Archive and saves there older tracks as 1.gpx, 2.gpx etc. Is this next feature, that Garmin forgot to implement in top model?
gpspassion Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 22:07:39
A word of "warning" for those who want to keep tabs on their travelling and can't download the tracks every other day, the built-in "track recorder" of the nuvi systems runs out pretty quickly with its 10,000 points. I found out the hard way on my 3790T and wish I had activated the raw logger!
NanaimoRick Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 00:39:45
Don't know what firmware version made it available but you can certainly create logs in GPX format using version 5.00. Since you are at least 5 or 6 firmware releases behind, you should probably update anyway. The updates are cumulative so you can update directly from 4.10 to 5.00. As always, we recommend doing a backup of your Nuvi's internal storage drive before doing any update. It maybe more important since you would be updating from so far back.

Unless your using backup software that will store hidden folders and files in the archive, be sure to alter the folder view options in Windows to allow you to see the hidden .system folder on the Nuvi as this is where the critical map and other files are stored. You need to insure that hidden files and folders are visible and don't hide Windows system files. Both these settings can be altered in Folder View Options.
maxime1986 Posted - 22 févr. 2011 : 00:26:13
Hello, I'd just received a nuvi 1350. It can record tracks via the speed button but only in bin format.
The firmware is currently v4.10 ; can somebody tell me if the v5.00 ( http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=125013&whichpage=53#983784 ) still support track logging ?
I would like to update...
peterjt Posted - 11 févr. 2011 : 06:32:42
Looks like the Log function on the 2350 is accessed via the Speed button again; I seem to have the best luck with holding my finger over the direction indicator for about 5 seconds.
FantomFan Posted - 08 févr. 2011 : 05:18:05
Tried this on my 3760 - but can't work out how to stop it.

I can press the stop icon on the screen, but every time it turns on while in the cradle it will start a new log.
NanaimoRick Posted - 29 déc. 2010 : 13:48:31
Welcome to the forum.

You may wish to do a forum Google search to see if we have dealt with your question before. If not, you may want to open a new topic to ask your question as this thread is dealing with "raw logging" and not the features, or lag of them, between various models.

Thanks.
max_clif Posted - 29 déc. 2010 : 01:06:58
I noticed that the Garmin nuvi 1450 and the 1490 both have the same weight as per garmin specs.

Is there a way to enable the wireless on the 1450?
neadrenalin Posted - 07 déc. 2010 : 09:35:35
MonkeyBoy4u,
You can purchase these units, they both support raw tracklog. Please read
www.gpspassion.com/upload2/HiddenTrackLogHowTo.pdf

popej,
I have nuvi 1410 that logs in another format. I sent you email with track examples.
MonkeyBoy4u Posted - 30 nov. 2010 : 18:20:28
I am planning to buy Nuvi 215 or 715, can I hope to have raw data tracking enabled in it ? Whats the latest news on them ?
popej Posted - 22 nov. 2010 : 23:11:10
You can subtract time when converting from bin into gpx. There is an option in nutrak.
spokybob Posted - 22 nov. 2010 : 23:05:42
I am lost. I loaded the gpx file into Excel.
Column g
ns1:time
11/17/2010 20:15
I want to subtract 5 hours to achieve local time. I have over 5000 points to convert.
popej Posted - 22 nov. 2010 : 18:12:45
That's gpx standard, time is UTC: http://www.topografix.com/gpx_manual.asp#time
Your software should change UTC to local time. Alternatively you can input time difference into field "time" on wNtrak, this will correct all time values.

spokybob Posted - 22 nov. 2010 : 17:39:55
quote:
Originally posted by popej

Hidden log contains true GPS position saved with 1 second interval. Trip log contains simplified sequence of points and this aren't true positions but points attached to the road from your map. Depending on your needs you can use both, but for example trip log is useless when you'd like to draw your own map, like do people from OpenStreetMap.


I completed a long trip using the hidden log. Alas. The logged time is not local time, but Universal time. Can I change this? I like the tracks to agree with the time on my camera.
spokybob Posted - 19 oct. 2010 : 03:58:00
Thanks to all on this forum. Especially NanaimoRick. I read about your recent trip to California. When Staples had the 1490T for $179.95 last week, I made the plunge. I have used a Magellan hand-held for many years, mainly because of the great track logs. I synchronize my digital camera clock to the GPS time... We just returned from Branson MO using my new 1490. As suspected, the first leg of the trip was missing..I kept re-reading your post on page 48. Tonight, I drove to the PO and back recording the track in GPX and saved it, using MapSource. I am happy.
Bob
Aledo IL
Yilmaz Posted - 24 sept. 2010 : 12:29:14
Thanks
popej Posted - 23 sept. 2010 : 20:02:54
Only gps.bin contains tracks. I can guess that nav.bin has something to do with navigation directions while traffic.bin with TMC traffic data. But have no idea what is inside.
Yilmaz Posted - 23 sept. 2010 : 16:08:32
Hi Popej,
I use NuTrak convert my .bin track to .gpx.
when convert traffic.bin => Error message "Wrong header Format"
When convert nav.bin => Error message "Header read Error"
When convert Gps.bin => "OK"

Only GPS.bin able to convert, other 2 bin seem Got Error.
Thanks
Corben Posted - 23 sept. 2010 : 05:41:54
Yes, of course
Please check your mail

I forgot to say that I have GPS software version 3.00s in my nuvi
popej Posted - 22 sept. 2010 : 14:14:00
Could you sent me some samples of *.bin files? You will get my e-mail address, when clicking at my name at the end of the page:
http://www.anpo.republika.pl/
Corben Posted - 22 sept. 2010 : 12:54:35
I have lastest version from the page you gave
popej Posted - 22 sept. 2010 : 11:46:19
Maybe you have old version of nutrak? Get the current version here:
http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html#nutrak
Corben Posted - 22 sept. 2010 : 07:45:04
Hi!
I have downgraded my Nuvi 750 from ver.4.90 to 4.60 with RAW logging
But wNutrak can not convert my .bin track to .gpx with message "Wrong header format."
What's wrong?
gpspassion Posted - 19 juil. 2010 : 17:30:45
Thanks, hadn't had a chance to test it, hence, the "seems", updated my comment.
NanaimoRick Posted - 19 juil. 2010 : 16:21:52
The raw logging gpx file is actually located in the \.system\.logs\gpx folder with a file name like 20100719_140859.gpx. There will be a new file for each log created and a new log will be created each time you turn on the Nuvi or if you stop and then restart the logging feature.
gpspassion Posted - 19 juil. 2010 : 11:46:07
Don't have the 765 so I'm not sure what the problem is, but all the useful information concerning raw logging has been painstakingly compiled in the first message, so reading that and the embedded links should get you going.

Just got the 3790T and was happy to find that the raw logging menu is back (it was gone from the 1690), it can be accessed by holding the big round speed counter in the dashboard (accessed by tapping on the speed info) and you can choose to log in bin or gpx mode, I chose the latter and it seems to end up in \GPX\position.txt - ends up in \.system\.logs\gpx folder with a file name like 20100719_140859.gpx [Thanks Rick]

ELEGEND_YVR Posted - 19 juil. 2010 : 06:58:41
I dont have the patience to sift through 48 pages. lol. my nuvi 765t doesn't have a gps.bin file. What's the easiest way to tranfer/delete the logs from the 765t? And to activate the log (start recording screen et al)?
neadrenalin Posted - 03 juil. 2010 : 12:03:02
Probably HWID 1091 has bugs in activation gps.bin logging. As I have no such device, I can not reproduce the problem.
villas Posted - 02 juil. 2010 : 05:02:47
I have the same problem with the same 255w. Can anyone help us please?

quote:
Originally posted by coteesh

I have a 255w HWID 1091. With FW ver 6.00 and 6.40, and GPS SW ver 2.00m, I have successfully activated the logging feature through the hidden menu. Sadly, only nav.bin and traffic.bin files are recorded, and there is no Debug/ folder in the root directory and no gps.bin file anywhere on the device after recording for extended periods of time. The traffic.bin file contains mostly zeros in the data and I strongly suspect it is a useless file, so I conclude that the feature is not working. On this forum I have read that this is a newer hardware version of the 255w device and that the firmware that shipped with it was 6.00 for HWID 1091 of the 255w. I was reading on the forum that firmware version 3.40 is good for the trip logging RAW feature, but I also read on this forum that I should be careful downgrading newer hardware such as this one, to older firmware, that it may brick my device. I've also read in this thread that squirrelpie has successfully got his RAW logging working on his 255w with firmware version 6.10 but GPS sw 4.10, which I don't know if I'm able to upgrade my GPS software to ver 4.10 from my present 2.00m?? Maybe that would make it possible for a gps.bin file on my device?
Can anyone suggest how I can get a gps.bin file to properly record on my device? Thanks.

neadrenalin Posted - 04 juin 2010 : 06:45:57
JimHanus,
Enter the \garmin\ folder on nuvi and delete gupdate.gcd before any .rgn usage.
Then apply .rgn file with needed features. Unit will not ask you for update.

If you pressed yes, you confirmed to replace firmware to original one. So, it disabled the patched feature (track logging).

I recommend always delete gupdate.gcd from garmin folder.
JimHanus Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 22:34:24
neadrenalin,
I did get it to work with SD. I like the idea of the tracks being on the card, I can remove the card to download to my PC easier, then delete. The problem I had was when the 200 would re-start, that I would get a message that new software was found that was older than my current version. Did I want to continue to install (or something like that). I would answer yes assuming I wanted to use the older software (it didn't indicate which was which). Apparently not because when I finally answered No it worked properly.
Thanks,

Jim
neadrenalin Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 19:28:32
JimHanus,
just use non-SD version. Why don't you want this?

NanaimoRick,
Since 3.90 firmware for 1xxx series garmin can log raw track in gpx format natively. Have they started to listen us since modded firmwares available? Who knows.. but it seems to me they found it useful and handy for advanced users (or test-team users).
NanaimoRick Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 18:32:17
It appears that Garmin considers the logging facility a diagnostic tool on the Nuvi and not something that the 'average' user would need or want. As you have seen or read here for most models, to turn logging on, you need to know the 'trick' which is cumbersome at best and impossible at worst. If you really need the logging feature and want to easily turn it off and on and have other options as to what type of log file will be created then I'd suggest that you look at the 1xxx models which are the newest Nuvi's. You can see the procedure for turning on logging from my post on the top of page 48 of this thread. I have found this much easier and the output much more useful than the 'hidden' track log facility on other Nuvi models.
JimHanus Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 18:06:13
NanaimoRick,
I have spent several long hours reading ALL of the 48 pages, as well as a bunch of other posts over the past 2 days looking for a reasonable answer. By your response that ALL the 2xx, 5xx, 7xx and 1xxx models have this feature, I will purchase one based on your recommendation. FYI, By my count, there are about 40 Nuvi models beginning with those model numbers. Hard for me to believe all of these would have a hidden feature not implemented anywhere except by a hack. Why have it on EVERY model and never have it available? Thanks for your constructive assistance.

Jim
NanaimoRick Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 17:49:24
quote:
Originally posted by JimHanus

Even though I was locked out of my first thread, my question is still valid. I want to buy a better Nuvi and need track logging. Does anyone have a reference sheet or database of which model Nuvi's have this hidden feature? 760 (discontinued) seems to be popular, but my only experience is with the 200 and eTrex Summit.

Thanks in advance,

Jim



I'm sure all of the possible models are discussed in this thread and I'd encourage you to read through it. This thread, as the title states, covers how to active this feature on all 2xx, 5xx, 7xx and 1xxx models.
LawnGuyLander Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 15:02:33
quote:
Originally posted by freestyler

Hello, sorry to be off-topic but how did you find the processor info for your device?...Can you tell me a way to find what processor I have in my nuvi 760 and nuvi 250w?

Thanks!


Press and hold the battery icon to bring up the advanced diagnostics. At the top should be a display which includes the version number. For my 765, the line says:

SW Ver 3.90 nuvi 765 V11 4GB P1 DH04_R 330MHz

If I am interpreting that correctly, I have a V11 processor board.
freestyler Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 12:35:35
Hello, sorry to be off-topic but how did you find the processor info for your device?...Can you tell me a way to find what processor I have in my nuvi 760 and nuvi 250w?

Thanks!
pilotart Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 11:50:58
I purchased a 755 in February and it came with v3.80 FW and Processor V9 4GB P1 DH04_R 330 MHz.

In early March, I Flashed it with v3.90 FW and its Free nuMap 2010.40, the Flash was required before loading any other Garmin Files and I never considered halting the Flash after it was loaded.

Since then, I purchased the Lifetime nuMap Service and there were 3 files updated along with 2011.10.

(This came with Full Mexico, Cayman Islands and Bahamas coverage that had to be loaded (in 12 MapSets) from MapSource.

The only other updates were to my Language Files (I have only retained the English and Espanol (Australian lady has the largest file and sounds best to me).

I do see the delay on first letter when typing a POI, but it is less than three seconds, not the thirty seconds that others have reported. I was only aware of it after reading others complaints because if you just keep typing, by the time you type the third letter, they all load.

I have installed an excellent Screen Protector and usually type with my fingernail and the 37xx capacitance type touch screen would be nice to have, but I have no regrets with my choice of Nuvi and would never pay the 'double street price' for a 3760 Nuvi.

Whenever the FW 4.xx is released, I plan to give it at least a month to see if it has any 'bugs' before Flashing my 755, since it seems to work just fine for me.

I wonder if there is a difference in that "POI First Letter Delay" bug between the 7x5's with the V9 Processor compared to the earlier V7 processors and of course the V7 Versions can be reverted back to FW 3.60.

I have uploaded Track Files to my MapSource and it seems to work perfectly, my first upload had a dozen track files from my local driving and five Aircraft trips, second download was after loaning it to her for a 2K drive she took over a week with her girlfriend (they loved that "Ozzie"!!!) and it just uploaded the last three days of their adventure.

Art
LawnGuyLander Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 03:59:30
quote:
Originally posted by JimHanus

Even though I was locked out of my first thread, my question is still valid. I want to buy a better Nuvi and need track logging. Does anyone have a reference sheet or database of which model Nuvi's have this hidden feature? 760 (discontinued) seems to be popular, but my only experience is with the 200 and eTrex Summit.

Thanks in advance,

Jim


The 7x5 series has it BUT is is not "a better Nuvi" since the crappy 3.90 firmware came out. That model is still for sale.
JimHanus Posted - 03 juin 2010 : 03:56:36
Even though I was locked out of my first thread, my question is still valid. I want to buy a better Nuvi and need track logging. Does anyone have a reference sheet or database of which model Nuvi's have this hidden feature? 760 (discontinued) seems to be popular, but my only experience is with the 200 and eTrex Summit.

Thanks in advance,

Jim
JimHanus Posted - 02 juin 2010 : 22:43:47
I am trying to update my 200 to allow the track logs to be written to SD. I have version 3.40, ID 660, downloaded the 660 update, read the readme, re-named the file, ran the update, was told update was successful. Logs still aren't written to the SD. Have I missed something? Should I delete any files off of the 200 before starting? Any suggestions?
NanaimoRick Posted - 29 mai 2010 : 02:08:08
The log files are stored in the Logs folder. On the 1xxx models the Logs folder is inside the .system folder. You need to setup windows to show hidden files and folders as well as Operating System files in order to see the .system folder.
darrengsaw Posted - 28 mai 2010 : 11:44:11
I've just tried to access a tracklog that shows up on the device (1310) but the log folder in Garmin seems to have disappeared.

Does anybody know where the logs are stored now?

Thanks
popej Posted - 24 avr. 2010 : 12:36:04
Yes, for some devices format have changed a bit, because Garmin introduced data scrambling. Download nutrak and look into surce code.
oph Posted - 23 avr. 2010 : 21:38:51
quote:
Originally posted by popej

File format of gps.bin is very simple, no problem with conversion to gpx. It goes like this:

Header 48 bytes:
4B string - text "BEGN"
4B int - GPS week number, starting at 22.8.1999
4B int - second of a week
4B float - heading in radians
8B double - longitude in radians
8B double - latitude in radians
12B ??
4B int - 0 or number of records

record 28 bytes:
4B string - text "$$$$"
4B int - timestamp in miliseconds
8B double - latitude in radians
8B double - longitude in radians
4B float - heading in radians





May be the structure of file changed? Could you update the description?

Thanks
neadrenalin Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 19:36:23
coteesh,
You must stop. Do not try to flash anything else, except HWID 1091 (6.0 and higher).
yig Posted - 04 avr. 2010 : 01:35:34
quote:
Originally posted by coteesh

I have a 255w HWID 1091. With FW ver 6.00 and 6.40, and GPS SW ver 2.00m, I have successfully activated the logging feature through the hidden menu. Sadly, only nav.bin and traffic.bin files are recorded, and there is no Debug/ folder in the root directory and no gps.bin file anywhere on the device after recording for extended periods of time.



I am also having this issue with a Nuvi 255 with same FW and GPS SW version. Debug is nowhere to be found, and there is no GPS.bin file recorded anywhere.

Any ideas to enable this? I have been following this thread and searching on the net for any ways around this.
Thanks.
NanaimoRick Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 18:17:03
quote:
Originally posted by shandy

Don't know if this has been covered, but in 1390 you have the option of storing raw data log as .bin or .gpx or both when you access hidden data logger. Of course .gpx can be opened in Mapsource without any conversion.
Also you can specify if you want Gps, Traffic or Nav routes in the binary log.
Guess this holds for all 1xxx models



Welcome to our forum shandy.

Yes the 1xxx units allow for both .gpx and .bin logging and you can select to create either one or both through the diagnostic screen.

The GPS, Nav Routes, and Traffic Binary Log Types are only available when Log Type BIN is selected.

For anyone with a 1xxx Nuvi that is interested in creating these log files you can set it up as follows:

- On the map screen of your Nuvi, tap the Speed icon which will open Speedometer screen.

- Press and hold the screen in the middle of the Speedometer (round circle on left of Speedo screen.) until the Diagnostics Page opens.

- On the Diagnostics Page, press Diagnostic Logging and the Engineering Mode:Logging Control page will open.

- On the Engineering Mode:Logging Control page tap Start Recording and the Select Data to Log page will open.

- On the Select Data to Log page, select how and what you wish to log. Under Log Types you can select either or both .gpx or .bin logging. .gpx files can be dropped directly into Mapsource, Streets & Trips 2010 and other programs to quickly see your logs on a map. .bin files can be used with a facility like gpsVisualizer.com to record your logs in Google Earth or Maps.

- On the Select Data to Log page, if you have selected .bin logging type you also select the Binary Log Type of GPS, Nav Routes or Traffic. This is same as the 3 files types created in the Hidden Raw Logging facility on other Nuvi models. GPS is the only one I have ever found useful.

- Also on the Select Data to Log page you can select the Memory Handle Size (128 to 2816) and the number of handles (1 to 14). I use 1024 and 5 which I think is the default which seem to work fine.

- The logs created are stored in the Logs folder inside the .system folder on the Nuvi. As has been discussed here before the .system folder is not visible by default on the Nuvi. In order to see and transfer your log files you will need to insure that hidden and system files and folders are visible in Windows. Use Folder Options - View Options to reveal this folder and it's contents.

The picture below is a screenshot of the raw logs recorded on my 1490T showing our trip from Desert Hot Springs CA, to Vancouver BC, Canada.



In this case I used Microsoft's Streets & Trips 2010 to combine the GPX log files created daily, into a single log. A similar result can be achieved using Mapsource.
coteesh Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 08:11:55
I have a 255w HWID 1091. With FW ver 6.00 and 6.40, and GPS SW ver 2.00m, I have successfully activated the logging feature through the hidden menu. Sadly, only nav.bin and traffic.bin files are recorded, and there is no Debug/ folder in the root directory and no gps.bin file anywhere on the device after recording for extended periods of time. The traffic.bin file contains mostly zeros in the data and I strongly suspect it is a useless file, so I conclude that the feature is not working. On this forum I have read that this is a newer hardware version of the 255w device and that the firmware that shipped with it was 6.00 for HWID 1091 of the 255w. I was reading on the forum that firmware version 3.40 is good for the trip logging RAW feature, but I also read on this forum that I should be careful downgrading newer hardware such as this one, to older firmware, that it may brick my device. I've also read in this thread that squirrelpie has successfully got his RAW logging working on his 255w with firmware version 6.10 but GPS sw 4.10, which I don't know if I'm able to upgrade my GPS software to ver 4.10 from my present 2.00m?? Maybe that would make it possible for a gps.bin file on my device?
Can anyone suggest how I can get a gps.bin file to properly record on my device? Thanks.
shandy Posted - 03 avr. 2010 : 07:15:10
Don't know if this has been covered, but in 1390 you have the option of storing raw data log as .bin or .gpx or both when you access hidden data logger. Of course .gpx can be opened in Mapsource without any conversion.
Also you can specify if you want Gps, Traffic or Nav routes in the binary log.
Guess this holds for all 1xxx models
neadrenalin Posted - 25 mars 2010 : 09:20:24
fortune88,
No I have not, and no plans to do it.
fortune88 Posted - 24 mars 2010 : 03:15:58
@neadrenalin, do you have a modified firmware for Nuvi 750 HWID 754 Firmware 4.8 or 4.9 to save the log on SD card? Thanks in advance.
gpspassion Posted - 16 mars 2010 : 13:51:36
Has anyone found a way of activating the hidden logger on the nuvi 1690 ? Pressing the "compass" on the "trip computer" screen like on the other 1xxx units also pulls up a hidden menu but there is no option to record.
popej Posted - 14 mars 2010 : 13:06:36
Hidden log contains true GPS position saved with 1 second interval. Trip log contains simplified sequence of points and this aren't true positions but points attached to the road from your map. Depending on your needs you can use both, but for example trip log is useless when you'd like to draw your own map, like do people from OpenStreetMap.
pillowcase Posted - 14 mars 2010 : 04:50:08
Interesting. Maybe Garmin changed the format for trip log on the 1xxx series. In my 1370(TWN), the trip logs are divided into many short segments.

On a round trip I made from Cupertino to UC Davis, a ~100-mile trip. The log has ~10 segments each way. Each segment has ~60 track points.

Combining trip logs is possible too. First I use Mapsource to edit the gpx files that I saved and would like to combine. Remove unwanted segments and duplications. Then I use Microsoft "XML Notepad 2007". Cut the track segments from one trip log and append it to the other. It might be a bit laborious. But it does allow me to make track logs of arbitrary length. I do have to save the trip logs before it reaches the 10,000 point mark.
NanaimoRick Posted - 14 mars 2010 : 03:17:21
The biggest issue is that what you are referring to is the "trip log" and is limited to 10000 points so older data gets overwritten with newer points. In my review of the Nuvi 780 and TomTom 930 of a couple of years ago, I was planning on keeping a record of our full trip using the trip log. When I went to review the log I discovered that a large part of it wasn't available any longer as it had been overwritten.

If you use the hidden raw logging feature you are not limited in anyway as far as number of points is concerned. The only limit you have is the amount of available free space on the Nuvi to store the logs. The other advantage, IMHO, is that each time you boot the Nuvi up you start a new log, and each time you turn it off that log gets saved. You end up with multiple log files which can be a lot easier to maintain (keep or delete the ones you want, store trip segments in different files on Google Earth or Microsoft Streets and Trips 2010, or combine a complete, very long (over 10000 point) trip into a single file, which you can't do using 'trip log'.
pillowcase Posted - 14 mars 2010 : 01:28:50
Question: The 1xxx series logs the trips automatically, yes?
Displaying of the tracks can be turned on/off. However, the tracks are always recorded in the current.gpx file and can be accessed directly through Mapsource, Google Earth, XML editors etc. I used the feature to review my trips once in a while and found it quite convenient and useful.

For owners of the 1xxx, this appears to be much simpler than going through the hidden track logging menu.

What is the difference between the tracks logged in the current.gpx file and the one extracted from hidden track log binary?
pgp319 Posted - 21 févr. 2010 : 08:54:14
hi, i´m new and i have a really big problem, I have a Nuvi 205w with HWID 0827 and software version 5.0, I try to update the firmware to unlock the hidden menu, i use the updater to update the nuvi and when it was updating this show an error:

App: Updater
At: 2/21/2010 7:49:48 AM (UTC)
OS: WIN32 Windows Platform, Major Version: 6, Minor Version: 0
Processor: Intel Processor Level: 15, RAM: 2097151 KB
IOU_USBLINK.CPP-710-2.8

and the nuvi do not response it has white screen and it do nothing, please someone help me.
twist.grip Posted - 17 févr. 2010 : 12:55:14
Great! Now just need to get my new GPS working again, and try this
LER Posted - 13 févr. 2010 : 14:52:08
It appears that they've removed it in the 3.00 1690 Firmware. Or am I missing something?
jotne Posted - 12 févr. 2010 : 20:00:55
@HalliHallo
One important step is missing. You need to have satellite fix to activate the log.
If you are inside, with no lock, you can not activate the hidden log.
alandb Posted - 12 févr. 2010 : 16:12:15
The GPS Visualizer support is discussed on page 45 of this thread.
HalliHallo Posted - 12 févr. 2010 : 13:26:35
Did you know that gps-bin files can directly be uploaded to GPS Visualizer?.
They may then be displayed online or converted and downloaded in another format.
A great tool.
HalliHallo Posted - 12 févr. 2010 : 13:14:50
I have just updated the PDF that describes on how to activate the hidden track log.
You can find version 1.1 here:

HiddenTrackLogHowTo.pdf
svenn Posted - 17 janv. 2010 : 00:08:54
great info here...

Is it also possible to convert GPX to gps.bin i.e. I would like to take a track from GPSies and have it displayed on my 255W

Gerald_D Posted - 13 janv. 2010 : 03:37:31
Thank you very, very much!

If you come down here for the football world cup I will buy you a case of beers!
popej Posted - 12 janv. 2010 : 23:10:11
Hi Gerald,

you can download upgraded version 0.17 from my site:
http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html
Gerald_D Posted - 12 janv. 2010 : 16:43:20
Hi Andrzej (Popej)

Thanks again for the very useful nutrak utility - I have used it now for 2 years.

A request to consider please: We know that Nutrak will write in supplied directory gpx file or files with name depending on track creation date. Output file is compatible with Mapsource. Howvever, when we open the output file in Mapsource, the name of the track is simply "nuvi". Therefore, if we bulk process a lot of tracks, we still have to change each track's name before we can show them together in Mapsource.

Would it be possible to add date/time to the nuvi track name? (so that each trackname is unique)

Thanks

Gerald

(In a sunny hot Cape Town where a shark grabbed a swimmer off our beach 2 hours ago)
airjxn Posted - 30 déc. 2009 : 14:23:05
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

The bad news is that it gets recorded (in \Garmin\Logs\) as a binary gps.bin file that can't be opened with a text editor so you couldn't use it to geotag your pictures.




I have tried this, but I only have the nav.bin and traffic.bin files; no gps.bin. I also do not have a Debug folder as several have suggested. I know several others have posted the same issue as well. Perhaps I missed it (I tried reading the entire thread), but has anyone found a solution to this problem?

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alandb Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 15:57:12
RolfH, The 8x5 and 5000 nuvi's have a completely different hardware platform, OS and software than the other nuvi's, so it is unlikely that these techniques will work. I just got an 855 and would also be interested to know if the raw logging feature is hidden in there somewhere. I have never seen it mentioned in any forum that it exists on the 8x5.
darrengsaw Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 12:27:30
I wonder if traffic.bin files could ultimately be used in the same way tomtom pick up data for IQ routes?? Just a thought......
RolfH Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 11:02:10
Can RAW logging also be enabled on an 865T? I tried some of the described procedures, but I can not find the option in the different test menus.
I only found "Record" but this option makes a print screen every two seconds in a Record folder under Garmin.
squirrelpie Posted - 17 déc. 2009 : 05:44:34
Tried using this 255W for RAW Logging for first time. It is definitely working. Will fine out more in next days. Logs were instantly viewable in gpsvisualizer/Google Earth. gps.bin files were in the debug folder. 255W SW Ver 6.10, GPS SW Ver 4.10. Are other 255Ws having problems? Particularly ones reporting the new FW/HW I.D.s
NanaimoRick Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 20:38:14
Yes, I realized that, thanks. I was just attempting to point out to the Gerald_D, that it didn't matter what you used on the site, the traffice.bin file was going to come up as bad data.
adamschneider Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 20:17:35
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

This is the case whether I try to load the data into Google Earth, Google Maps, create a GPX file or simply create a JPG of the track, all of which can be done from gpsvisualizer.

If one function doesn't work, the others won't either. The best way to diagnose whether or not a file is supported is to just run it through the plain-text converter (http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input).
Gerald_D Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 19:04:33
I put the problem to Adam at gpsvisualizer and he replied thus:

"Only "gps.bin" files will work. "traffic.bin" files are not supported, and I don't even know if they're tracklogs anyway; yes, it's a big file, but it's 430KB of zeroes and then a few bytes whose pattern is too regular to contain GPS data."

I have just gone out for another test drive and got these parts going as usual:


However, after recording 2 logs (ended by pressing Stop), the Start Playback on the Logging Control screen stayed greyed out. Which probably means that the system hadn't recorded the logs in the first place

(A search for *.bin files again showed that there were no gps.bin files anywhere on the nüvi205)

Now we have a case of a nüvi2** that creates the impression that it is recording raw logs, while in fact it is not.
NanaimoRick Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 18:14:58
Loaded your bin file into http://www.gpsvisualizer.com and it reports there is no valid GPS data detected in the file. This is the case whether I try to load the data into Google Earth, Google Maps, create a GPX file or simply create a JPG of the track, all of which can be done from gpsvisualizer.
Gerald_D Posted - 15 déc. 2009 : 16:33:06
quote:
Originally posted by r_kleineisel
I have a Nuvi 255 with HWID 1074, Software 580 and I cannot get this to work, either.

I found the secret menu, I can activate the "Start Recording" button and it shows the transparent "Stop" button on the map screen. But it does not write a gps.bin file anywhere. In the "Logs" directory there are the "Date-time"-directories but each contains only two files (traffic.bin and nav.bin). There is no "Debug" directory. If I create the "Debug" directory myself it gets deleted when the Nuvi starts up.



Same experience here with a new nüvi205 (I am experienced on using gps.bin / nutrak from nüvi 200)

I did a search for *.bin on the nüvi205 and there is absolutely no gps.bin in any folder (or memory). But, this is my first experience of seeing traffic.bin (compared to the nüvi200) and the size of the traffic.bin files is interesting. They are quite big files, according to duration of logtrack, and I wonder if the previous gps.bin stuff is now included in traffic.bin?

I loaded a 450kB traffic.bin file to http://www.liftlogger.co.za/traffic.bin if someone wants to take a look at it.
Gastro Man Posted - 12 déc. 2009 : 16:18:26
Ok people. I'm new to this site and was lucky enough to buy a used floor demo model Garmin Nuvi 260 for 50 bux. The first thing I want to be able to do is the hidden raw tracking feature. I found the hidden feature that's activated by clicking view map-> "speed" indicator-> then holding my finger over the speedometer in the top left corner for 10 seconds. Saw all the different hidden menus EXCEPT for the one that enables you to track a trip. That one is not there. Is there a certain firmware revision that I should look for and install that will enable the hidden tracking feature? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! OH! By the way, the current firmware in the unit is 4.10
darrengsaw Posted - 11 déc. 2009 : 12:23:06
I have just been out surveying some of my local area for OSM, and i have just discovered that the latest firmware on my 1310 (3.40) the start/stop button on the actual map screen has disappeared.

Now you have to go into the previous menu to start/stop. Highly annoying to say the least.

It would be good if they had actually added a pause button, but instead they actually deleted functionality.

Moan over.
r_kleineisel Posted - 10 déc. 2009 : 09:46:23
quote:
Originally posted by neadrenalin
nuvimatze,
what do you want to reach? hidden tracklog can be activated via menu, please reread this topic.



I have a Nuvi 255 with HWID 1074, Software 580 and I cannot get this to work, either.

I found the secret menu, I can activate the "Start Recording" button and it shows the transparent "Stop" button on the map screen. But it does not write a gps.bin file anywhere. In the "Logs" directory there are the "Date-time"-directories but each contains only two files (traffic.bin and nav.bin). There is no "Debug" directory. If I create the "Debug" directory myself it gets deleted when the Nuvi starts up.
grbourque Posted - 05 déc. 2009 : 05:29:48
Between being a newbie with the gps and the length of this thread, it sometimes caused my head to spin. I just wanted to say thanks to the ones involved with bringing us the patch. Nuvi 200 HWID 834 and the patch to the SD card worked great, didn't even brick the unit so that is a bonus. Now I can put it to use.
alandb Posted - 09 nov. 2009 : 23:47:37
Adam ... I would like to also add my thanks for creating the conversion tool for the raw Garmin track logs. I was able to use GPS Visualizer to convert the Garmin gps.bin file to GPX, then import it into the Delorme Street Atlas 2010 draw layer. Worked perfectly!
NanaimoRick Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 22:46:55
Great stuff, works perfectly.




By the way I may have been incorrect when I said I converted the raw data with GPSBabel. I think what I did was use Nutrak to convert the bin file to a gpx file and Babel to convert the gpx file to a Mapsource txt file which is what I posted above.

Anyway, thanks for the great tool.
adamschneider Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 22:40:15
I think I've got it. Rick, both of the Nanaimo files you tried should work now.

NanaimoRick Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 22:37:43
Yes, it is Valewood Dr. I'll have to look at what I did again and I'll post the parameters here.
adamschneider Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 22:09:43
Rick, what parameters do you use to make GPSBabel read these files? I didn't realize it could handle them at all.

By the way, I'm making progress on the decryption of the first file you tried. Valewood Drive, right?

Keep trying with different files. The more sample data I have, the better.
NanaimoRick Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 22:03:22
That particular .bin file is probably got created by the 760's raw logging and the unit sitting on my desk. It is probably just the 'float' that I see when the unit is not moving so don't be surprised if it doesn't go anywhere :).

I just attempted to convert another one that does have lots of legit trackpoints in it and I get the same error message. The raw data in the bin converted to txt using GPSbabel looks like this (portion of file):

Grid Lat/Lon hddd°mm.mmm'
Datum WGS 84



Header Name Start Time Elapsed Time Length Average Speed Link

Track nuvi 06/11/2009 12:41:48 0:06:00 2.1 km 21 kph

Header Position Time Altitude Depth Temperature Leg Length Leg Time Leg Speed Leg Course

Trackpoint N49 12.364 W124 02.615 06/11/2009 12:41:48
Trackpoint N49 12.365 W124 02.614 06/11/2009 12:41:49 3 m 0:00:01 10 kph 48° true
Trackpoint N49 12.356 W124 02.631 06/11/2009 12:41:50 28 m 0:00:01 100 kph 229° true
Trackpoint N49 12.353 W124 02.635 06/11/2009 12:41:51 7 m 0:00:01 24 kph 224° true
Trackpoint N49 12.352 W124 02.636 06/11/2009 12:41:52 3 m 0:00:01 10 kph 224° true
Trackpoint N49 12.354 W124 02.634 06/11/2009 12:41:53 5 m 0:00:01 20 kph 35° true
Trackpoint N49 12.356 W124 02.632 06/11/2009 12:41:54 3 m 0:00:01 11 kph 39° true
Trackpoint N49 12.358 W124 02.628 06/11/2009 12:41:55 7 m 0:00:01 25 kph 51° true
Trackpoint N49 12.359 W124 02.625 06/11/2009 12:41:56 4 m 0:00:01 15 kph 54° true
Trackpoint N49 12.360 W124 02.623 06/11/2009 12:41:57 3 m 0:00:01 11 kph 54° true
Trackpoint N49 12.360 W124 02.622 06/11/2009 12:41:58 1 m 0:00:01 2 kph 155° true
Trackpoint N49 12.360 W124 02.621 06/11/2009 12:41:59 2 m 0:00:01 7 kph 72° true
Trackpoint N49 12.361 W124 02.620 06/11/2009 12:42:00 2 m 0:00:01 7 kph 61° true

Hope this helps as I'd love to use your facility to convert tracks directly to Google Maps or Earth.
adamschneider Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 20:03:05
That's just a generic message that comes up because most invalid file errors are caused by people uploading plain text. It doesn't really apply in this case.

Rick, I just looked at your file, and it doesn't come close to matching the pattern of other the gps.bin files I've seen. It doesn't start with "BEGN," for one thing, and the whole thing looks like random noise instead of nice neat structured data. Apparently there's some kind of encryption going on. I'll work on it.
NanaimoRick Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 15:53:56
I just attempted to draw a Google Map from one of the stored gps.bin files on my Nuvi 780 and got the error message that there was no header record such as 'latitude,longitude,elevation,name' defining the fields.

If the raw bin file doesn't contain this header information how would you create the Google Map output. The same probably holds true for the 'convert to GPS' and 'make a KML' file as well.
adamschneider Posted - 06 nov. 2009 : 07:44:08
Hello,

Just wanted to let you all know that GPS Visualizer can now read the gps.bin files generated by the Garmin Nuvi devices.

Convert to GPX: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert?convert_output=gpx
Draw a Google Map: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input?form=google
Make a KML file: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input?form=googleearth

The nav.bin files are NOT supported. But please let me know if the GPS .bin files don't work.
gpspassion Posted - 13 oct. 2009 : 02:05:26
Works on the nuvi 1690 too ;-)



neadrenalin Posted - 27 sept. 2009 : 22:39:13
each firmware with hwid must be used in the appropriate hardware. elsewhere you will get white screen of death on your device.
as for some successful stories - you probably can get tw version on us device and be happy for a while, until they let you go on.
once again, i tell this, regarding garmindevice.xml you can not be completely sure about hwid. this value must be taken from g7towin utility output.

nuvimatze,
what do you want to reach? hidden tracklog can be activated via menu, please reread this topic.

nuvimatze Posted - 24 sept. 2009 : 20:03:09
Does anybody know if any of neadrenalin's hacked firmware versions will work on my nüvi 255T HWID 1074, Firmware 5.70? If none, is anything underway?
nuvimatze Posted - 21 sept. 2009 : 23:53:36
Okay, sorry for yesterday's quite long post. I have now had the time to read most of this thread, so many of my qeustions have been answered. However, I still don't get any gps.bin files.

WknThDg, you wrote:

quote:
Originally posted by WknThDg

To gpspassion,

Check to see if a "Debug" folder is on the root of the GPS internal drive. That's were the gps.bin is on my 255W anyway.



What software version are you running? Mine is 5.70, maybe that's the reason I don't have any \debug folder? If you are running a different version, could I easily downgrade the firmware? If so, where do I get this?

<PartNumber>006-B1074-00
<SoftwareVersion>570
<Description>nüvi 255

Thank you very much in advance, best regards.
smfilip Posted - 20 sept. 2009 : 19:47:15
is there any chance to make 'lane assist' option to work on 200w?
nuvimatze Posted - 20 sept. 2009 : 11:34:38
Since yesterday I own a nüvi 255T, thanks to your posts I discovered the hidden raw logging menu. Tried it yesterday evening, today switched on the computer to check the files. Somehow, the nüvi only saves nav.bin and traffic.bin, there is no gps.bin in the "Logs" folder. In the first post it is written: "Note that on the 2x5 models the gps.bin file is in \debug". I don't have any "debug" folder, visibility of hidden content is activated. I have desperately screened all folders, no "gps.bin" files have been saved anywhere. I have also noticed that when going to the hidden menu "Start Playback" is always greyed-out, but thought that this would be a problem with Sat lock or something (have read somewhere something that logging only works with satellite lock, but have no idea what this means nor how to achieve this [I am not a native speaker, maybe it's a barrier of language :)]). Additionally, when switching on the nüvi, the track I drove yesterday is marked as a thin blue line; hence, I think that at least somewhere something has been saved, right?

nüvi 255
Software Version 5.70


Audioversion: 2.40
GPS-Software-Version: 1.03m

Does anybody have any idea what is going wrong here? One last thing: every time I start recording the screenshot feature is being activated. Any idea?

Thank you very much in advance, any help is very appreciated. Prior to buying the nüvi I read up on the hidden data logging feature of this device. This was one of the reasons to buy this one. Hence, it really would be a pity if I won't get this to work properly.

Best regards,

Matthias

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