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hpatlik Posted - 02 sept. 2006 : 17:45:48
NOTE BY GPSPASSION - TMC will become available on Garmin units in July 2007, see details on page 3.


I spoke with a local GPS dealer today who was in contact with Garmin yesterday. FM TMC is coming to Canada! on January 1, 2007 thru Clear Channel. It will be initially available for Toronto and Montreal.

Estimated cost $11 to $20 per month.



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techguy99 Posted - 07 déc. 2012 : 03:00:48
Well it worked fine for me for a while (Tomtom One XL) and then the information started to be more and more unreliable so i did not renew my traffic subscription. Last year i got a new traffic subscription and i got a refund because the service for my one XL is discontinued...
One of my coworker have a new garmin with life traffic and map and looks like the traffic info is not quite reliable too... So i guess they need to work harder on the traffic info
rddube Posted - 28 nov. 2012 : 13:17:50
Has anyone had anything new on this topic for Canada?

Would be nice to hear of updates if there are any.

Many thanks!
offthegrid Posted - 24 juil. 2010 : 10:51:02
I came across this website that is crowd sourcing Canadian traffic using people to sign up as traffic probes using their cell phones.

http://ottawa.drivestraffic.com/about/

They are also offering a $25 gas card to the first 240 people who sign up.

http://ottawa.drivestraffic.com/
rddube Posted - 06 mai 2010 : 12:08:40
quote:
Originally posted by rddube

Hello everyone,

Well the proof is in the pudding as I recently installed NavNgo Amigo software on my GPS which has a built-in TMC traffic receiver. Tuned it to 96.9 in Montreal and there you have it, a full complement of traffic information including incidents, flow and construction coverage.

This must be free traffic, but I am not sure who is the provider? 96.9FM is CKOI here in Montreal. I tried tuning to other stations but my GPS would not pick up any other signal.

Anyway, will keep you posted.



Hi again,

Found out with the same software that TMC is available in Ottawa also..I think the station was 106.1. Also tried it in Montreal with Becker Z302 software and it works like a charm on 96.9FM (made me avoid major traffic jams over the past few weeks!).

Take care
rookie8155 Posted - 17 mars 2010 : 14:19:51
How can I check traffic FM station on Nuvi 765? And is there a way to change FM station if there are more than one stations available. I will appreciate your help. Navteq traffic signal keeps going up and down in Toronto area. There are days when I start from Wilson TTC station and drive all the way on 401 West and then Hwy 427 North without any traffic signal.
rddube Posted - 16 mars 2010 : 07:03:56
Hello everyone,

Well the proof is in the pudding as I recently installed NavNgo Amigo software on my GPS which has a built-in TMC traffic receiver. Tuned it to 96.9 in Montreal and there you have it, a full complement of traffic information including incidents, flow and construction coverage.

This must be free traffic, but I am not sure who is the provider? 96.9FM is CKOI here in Montreal. I tried tuning to other stations but my GPS would not pick up any other signal.

Anyway, will keep you posted.
rookie8155 Posted - 16 févr. 2010 : 14:56:41
I am using Navteq trafic receiver with my nuvi 765t in Toronto area for last couple of months.
I have noticed that reciver is losing signal lots of time while driving around the city. The traffic icon turns grey. Is it just me or others having same problem.
Dewi Posted - 02 févr. 2010 : 23:52:14
There is also a (beta) trip planner for the TTC (Toronto transit):
http://myttc.ca
rookie8155 Posted - 01 févr. 2010 : 03:57:26
It is a great site. I wish our GPS traffic providers provide this kind of fantastic traffic info.
mmmw Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 05:17:20
Great find! Thanks! Will have plenty of uses for our outside sales staff (not to mention myself).
Dewi Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 04:45:16
Nice find. Thanks!
jimy3000 Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 00:33:43
quote:
Originally posted by offthegrid

New website using Intellione data for commute times in the Toronto area.

http://triptimes.ca/main.seam

impressive..i've used the intellione as a standalone as it covers all roads in toronto and area....using cellphone data

i'll have to check during the week with lots of traffic to see how the trip times compute...using it now..it is amazingly fast to compute time..
offthegrid Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 00:11:52
New website using Intellione data for commute times in the Toronto area.

http://triptimes.ca/main.seam
LawnGuyLander Posted - 15 janv. 2010 : 16:36:16
quote:
Originally posted by JoWhee

I'm sort of dredging up an old thread.
I met a guy last night who works on transmission towers, he said that there is a traffic encoder installed in the ckoi 96.9fm tower. It's a 307kw transmitter, I'm still getting spotty reception on Aut. 15 north of montreal. I don't know how to get into the diagnostics on my GTM11. Does anyone know the status of this transmitter? I read some old threads that they were negotiations between the two parties, but did they ever come to an agreement?


Wow, this is an old thread! I had forgotten about as the last activity was back in November.

"Traffic Encoder" could mean any one of TTN, NAVTEQ or MSN Direct. If you are having reception problems and are using TTN, then it could either NAVTEQ or MSN Direct.
JoWhee Posted - 15 janv. 2010 : 16:20:13
I'm sort of dredging up an old thread.
I met a guy last night who works on transmission towers, he said that there is a traffic encoder installed in the ckoi 96.9fm tower. It's a 307kw transmitter, I'm still getting spotty reception on Aut. 15 north of montreal. I don't know how to get into the diagnostics on my GTM11. Does anyone know the status of this transmitter? I read some old threads that they were negotiations between the two parties, but did they ever come to an agreement?
l69norm Posted - 15 nov. 2009 : 15:54:11
The Navteq map for Toronto went back to showing flow coverage:
http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic/index_281.htm
Dewi Posted - 12 nov. 2009 : 20:56:03
As posted today by offthegrid in another thread, Navteq traffic has expanded their coverage in Canada, including the addition of Montreal:
http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic/index_249.htm
Perhaps someone using the "free" (ad-based) Navteq Traffic in Montreal could comment on the extent of coverage and accuracy.
janby Posted - 04 nov. 2009 : 01:30:59
This thread reports the development of Total Traffic network in Montreal.But I don't see much about the other FM-RDS based servive (Navteq)
I would like to know how does TTN service compare with Navteq in the Montreal area, since we now know that MSN direct will stop in 2012.
What station carries the Navteq signal? Is the coverage good? And what about the accuracy of the information.
LawnGuyLander Posted - 29 oct. 2009 : 19:58:33
quote:
Originally posted by admin_0
In regards of the MSN Direct traffic service there is no word as to when it will be available in Canada , only SPOT watches receive info in select cities but without traffic info.

As of January 1, 2012 it will not be available in Canada or anywhere for that matter. Microsoft is pulling the plug on it.
Dewi Posted - 09 oct. 2009 : 23:14:07
They have corrected their Toronto data availability map, switching almost all the red dots (flow) to blue dots (incident). I guess it was just a website error all along, not a service improvement.

quote:
Originally posted by Dewi

I noticed Navteq Traffic has updated it's Toronto coverage map to show a significant improvement in flow coverage (previously it just indicated incident coverage):
http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic/index_281.htm

I currently use MSN Direct, but I had a brief chance to use a friend's nuvi 265WT this week (with free Navteq Traffic) but didn't see very much flow information available. Are there any Toronto Navteq Traffic users out there that care to comment whether the flow data has improved and whether it's comprehensive enough?

Dewi Posted - 18 août 2009 : 02:11:55
Worked this time. Thanks. It looks like only Toronto/Ottawa incident info. Maybe Navteq jumped the gun by posting forthcoming flow coverage.
rookie8155 Posted - 18 août 2009 : 00:12:24
Dewi

Please try the link again. I fixed it:
http://www.pgill.net/screenshots.asp
rookie8155 Posted - 17 août 2009 : 00:54:21
I tried Navteq and MSN receivers today. Navteq did not report any problems on hwy 401 and Gardiner but MSN did show all these problems. Navteq still lacking big time.
But MSN again did not report any problems on hwy 400.
As you said, MSN is still lot better.
Dewi Posted - 17 août 2009 : 00:36:30
Thanks for posting. For some reason your link times out for me and I'm not able to see the screenshot. My hope is that Navteq Traffic mirrors the coverage MSN Direct has and by the looks of their website they cover the same routes. I was just wondering how it was working in practise. I still like MSN for the extras and the higher data bandwidth (i.e. quicker refresh, more segments), but I am also considering the nuvifone and I see that its connected traffic service in North America will be using Navteq Traffic data.
rookie8155 Posted - 16 août 2009 : 03:00:51
Dewi,

I tried Navteq receiver today in my car. It was showing quite a few areas but did not show anything about east bound QEW which was blocked at Burloak Dr this afternoon. Unfortunately, I forgot to carry my MSN receiver with me to compare it. I could not figure out how to post screenshots here so posted them on my web server:
http://www.pgill.net/screenshots.asp
rookie8155 Posted - 14 août 2009 : 22:42:30
quote:
Originally posted by Dewi

I noticed Navteq Traffic has updated it's Toronto coverage map to show a significant improvement in flow coverage (previously it just indicated incident coverage):
http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic/index_281.htm

I currently use MSN Direct, but I had a brief chance to use a friend's nuvi 265WT this week (with free Navteq Traffic) but didn't see very much flow information available. Are there any Toronto Navteq Traffic users out there that care to comment whether the flow data has improved and whether it's comprehensive enough?



The link worked for me on IE 6. From this link it looks like coverage has improved on Navteq. I will give it a try tomorrow, I am down with flu since yesterday. I use MSN Direct but navteq came free with my Nuvi 765T. I will let you know tomorrow if there is any improvement or not.
mmmw Posted - 14 août 2009 : 20:58:42
Sorry, that's the IE message.

Firefox says: Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /rdstraffic/index_281.htm on this server.
Dewi Posted - 14 août 2009 : 20:39:46
I don't know why, it works for me in both IE and Chrome.
mmmw Posted - 14 août 2009 : 20:25:00
The link didn't work for me.
Dewi Posted - 14 août 2009 : 19:35:40
I noticed Navteq Traffic has updated it's Toronto coverage map to show a significant improvement in flow coverage (previously it just indicated incident coverage):
http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic/index_281.htm

I currently use MSN Direct, but I had a brief chance to use a friend's nuvi 265WT this week (with free Navteq Traffic) but didn't see very much flow information available. Are there any Toronto Navteq Traffic users out there that care to comment whether the flow data has improved and whether it's comprehensive enough?
ajjefferson Posted - 13 août 2009 : 16:39:22
Je suis de retour "I am back" <grin>

Too bad about the 5100... I went to Cape Cod for vacation with the camper... Frove through Vermont (I89) and then NH and Mass (I93). Had the Montreal signal on 92.9 almost the whole way down Vermont then lost signal for a bit then in NH got a signal again and kept it until a little bit into the Cape... all traffic was showing up and it was reliable.. SWEET.

Only one thing though... Quebec drivers can be bad but they are predictable... Mass and Conn drivers are just plain nuts! It could have been the Quebec plates that set them off (all the Bruin fans LOL)... but on several occasions I was cut off and bad.

BTW TTN traffic for Autoroute 40, 20 and 14 have been pretty bang on.

Cheers,
AJ


quote:
Originally posted by Edrtransport

yep! i did receive some traffic info with my garmin! I didn't had to set anything, went automatic...Easy Peasy!

for my feeling of the machine, Garmin really came back in the market! good features like bluetooth(the sound is not bad for a gps!),traffic info, picture viewer and mp3 player(will probably never use those last 2 features but they are there) but the bottom line is...its affortable and works really good!

techguy99 Posted - 12 août 2009 : 23:52:25

Yes it does, not all the constructions sites are shown, but this one is there


quote:
Originally posted by o2bad455

Thanks techguy99! To better compare apples with apples, does your TT show an icon for this construction site:

SCHEDULED CONSTRUCTION
Severity:
Serious
Location:
AUT-10 Eastbound
Description:
is closed at Ile des Soeurs (#57) due to construction

Start time:
07/28/2009 9:49 PM
Est. end time:
07/31/2009 10:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by techguy99

I'm in Montreal with a tomtom on rds-tmc and i see traffic color coded
Yellow, orange and red. I see also icons for traffic jams, construction spots and accidents. But of course not all construction spots or traffic jams are there. I also see the delay that the traffic jam will cause me and at what distance it will start.
As soon as my GPS is aware of an incomming jam, if it can, it will change my route.
The most events i saw on my GPS was 39 events


o2bad455 Posted - 12 août 2009 : 23:47:52
Thanks for the tips, Dewi. I'd like to try MSND sometime, but not sure if my software supports it. For now, the RDS-TMC is working for me in the States (at least NYC area), but not in Canada (only tried Ottawa). In the States, the found stations all say "Key OK" and I get plenty of traffic events.

In Ottawa, the 97.9 Clear-Channel station only says "Key OK" for a split-second and then says something like "TMC State Unknown". I have yet to get a single traffic alert from it. Then there's the Corus station in Ottawa or Gatineau, but it always says "No Key". I wish I understood a little better what these cryptic messages actually meant.

I'm thinking it might be an issue with the maps I'm using. I was on NavTeq 2008 Q2 before, but upgrading to NavTeq 2009 Q1 does not seem to have made any difference. Does anyone know if either of those maps for Canada includes TMC location info, or whether either has been shown to work with RDS-TMC anywhere in Canada? If not, does anyone know if there's a Tele Atlas map that works with TMC in Canada?
Dewi Posted - 01 août 2009 : 16:09:47
@o2bad455

The MSN/Bing Maps site should reflect the MSN Direct traffic coverage in Canada but not necessarily TTN coverage, even though TTN also partners with Inrix for traffic data. For TTN's coverage look to: http://www.totaltraffic.com/LocalTraffic/Ottawa/

Having said that, you should be seeing those same incidents, both on TTN's website and via the TMC service. I would use the TTN contact info (http://www.totaltraffic.com/ContactUs/) if you're not getting data in Ottawa -- they're usually pretty responsive.

FWIW, I'm getting the Ottawa incident info (including the St-Laurent/Alexandra construction) via MSN Direct on my nuvi here in Toronto -- approximately 350km away as the crow flies.

Here's a screenshot of Ottawa traffic data I received via the Toronto MSN Direct broadcast a few weeks ago:
o2bad455 Posted - 31 juil. 2009 : 16:45:14
Thanks techguy99! To better compare apples with apples, does your TT show an icon for this construction site:

SCHEDULED CONSTRUCTION
Severity:
Serious
Location:
AUT-10 Eastbound
Description:
is closed at Ile des Soeurs (#57) due to construction

Start time:
07/28/2009 9:49 PM
Est. end time:
07/31/2009 10:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by techguy99

I'm in Montreal with a tomtom on rds-tmc and i see traffic color coded
Yellow, orange and red. I see also icons for traffic jams, construction spots and accidents. But of course not all construction spots or traffic jams are there. I also see the delay that the traffic jam will cause me and at what distance it will start.
As soon as my GPS is aware of an incomming jam, if it can, it will change my route.
The most events i saw on my GPS was 39 events
techguy99 Posted - 31 juil. 2009 : 04:15:10
I'm in Montreal with a tomtom on rds-tmc and i see traffic color coded
Yellow, orange and red. I see also icons for traffic jams, construction spots and accidents. But of course not all construction spots or traffic jams are there. I also see the delay that the traffic jam will cause me and at what distance it will start.
As soon as my GPS is aware of an incomming jam, if it can, it will change my route.
The most events i saw on my GPS was 39 events


quote:
Originally posted by o2bad455

I just noticed that Toronto, but not Ottawa or Montreal, show color-coded traffic slowdowns on the INRIX web map.

Should the following construction spot show as a traffic event on my device if tmc was working properly?

SCHEDULED CONSTRUCTION
Severity:
Serious
Description:
construction - EASTBOUND BOULEVARD ST-LAURENT @ ALEXNDRA BRG/ONTARIO/QUEBEC PROV LN

Start time:
07/14/2009 3:47 PM
Est. end time:
07/30/2009 9:33 PM


o2bad455 Posted - 31 juil. 2009 : 03:34:51
I just noticed that Toronto, but not Ottawa or Montreal, show color-coded traffic slowdowns on the INRIX web map.

Should the following construction spot show as a traffic event on my device if tmc was working properly?

SCHEDULED CONSTRUCTION
Severity:
Serious
Description:
construction - EASTBOUND BOULEVARD ST-LAURENT @ ALEXNDRA BRG/ONTARIO/QUEBEC PROV LN

Start time:
07/14/2009 3:47 PM
Est. end time:
07/30/2009 9:33 PM
o2bad455 Posted - 30 juil. 2009 : 17:56:34
I'm in Ottawa, and have a paid-up subscription to the Clear-Channel/INRIX TTN service. Although my GPS device detected two local TMC channels, I have yet to see a single traffic event displayed. I just checked the INRIX traffic map for Ottawa at http://www.bing.com/maps/ and it does show a few construction delays that are not shown on my GPS. In fact, I drove right through the worst one yesterday, and my device never warned or altered route at all. Any ideas what might be wrong?

This may or may not be related, but my device is picking up two local stations broadcasting RDS-TMC: 1) 97.9 CHIN (an English language Clear-Channel station) shows "CA-TMC (Key OK)"; but 2) 104.7 CJRC (a French language Corus station) shows "CA-TMC (No Key)". Does anyone know if the French station requires an additional subscription?
Edrtransport Posted - 17 juil. 2009 : 21:42:24
yep! i did receive some traffic info with my garmin! I didn't had to set anything, went automatic...Easy Peasy!

for my feeling of the machine, Garmin really came back in the market! good features like bluetooth(the sound is not bad for a gps!),traffic info, picture viewer and mp3 player(will probably never use those last 2 features but they are there) but the bottom line is...its affortable and works really good!
mmmw Posted - 17 juil. 2009 : 03:52:41
Bon Nuit!
Edrtransport Posted - 17 juil. 2009 : 03:13:45
I will test out my new nuvi 265wt tommorow... so far i received a lot of message in brossard... didnt had to set anything, picked up right away (2 minutes)the device worth about 250.00 and it comes with lifetime traffic info

now its time for sleep will play with my new toy tommorow

mmmw Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 21:02:17
I learned a little french in high school, but high school was 40+ years ago.
Edrtransport Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 20:56:45
i got you trafficinfo, i saw that today. the device looks nice but i am going for the exchange today... My navigon 5100 was way better...(unfortunatly they doesnt sell anymore). i will go for garmin i think...

lol...i just read back... you guys are not bad with the french!!! lol...

i am going back to the store today and will post again tonight... i will need help for the garmin tmc channels. wich one is 91.9 and wich one is 92.9 ??
mmmw Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 19:06:27
As someone who speaks French only imperfectly, let me attempt to translate:

I caught the thief, but did not succeed in saving the GPS. Thanks to the add-on warrantee from Future Shop, I have a guaranteed counter exchange!
techguy99 Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 19:02:47
Google translation ftw

" caught the thief, but I failed to save the gps ... thank you a warranty Additional Future shop ... exchange at guaranteed! "

not perfect but you can catch the drift
trafficinfo Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 18:36:17
BTW, you said ;

attrapé le voleur mais j'ai pas réussi a sauver le gps... merci a la garantie aditionnelle Future shop... echange au comptoir assuré!

Other than gps and future shop I can not decipher the rest , well i am an immigrant in canada and maybe that is why I do not understand french.

Would you care translating for us the english or spanenglish members of this apparently english written forum?

Thanks,
trafficinfo Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 18:31:21
magellan uses Navteq RDS traffic, http://www.navteq.com/rdstraffic. Toronto is the only Canadian city as you can see on the maps, and only incidents info not traffic flow like with TTN.

you just went from heaven to hell , it would be the equivalent of me going back to Cuba for health care , yes the medicine if you find them are cheap but what about the rest?.
Edrtransport Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 04:10:53
mmmw... i'm delivering for Bureau en Gros in centre sud and downtown area so it is always hot near ontario street...(a few methadone clinic and a lot of crackheads)
But its ok, i am only wondering if a did a good choice with the maestro 4350. if anybody else know if there is coverage in montreal for magellan (since i doesnt know if they use ttn like garmin and navigon.)

If its working(i hope) i will let poeple know about the coverage.
mmmw Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 02:57:57
Wow! Quite a story. Good thing you weren't hurt.
Edrtransport Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 02:36:07
By the way my navigon 5100 got damaged in an attempted robbery... J'ai attrapé le voleur mais j'ai pas réussi a sauver le gps... merci a la garantie aditionnelle Future shop... echange au comptoir assuré!
Edrtransport Posted - 16 juil. 2009 : 02:31:18
Hello back ajjefferson, long time not talked !! I changed my navigon for a magellan 4350 today, i think that i got myself in the same trouble i was before with the traffic info... do you know if magellan is working in montreal? is it the same supplier? i will try it out tommorow. The device seem to be good, a lot of new stuff (fm transmitter bluetooth) but the tmc could be an issue.

marginal Posted - 02 juil. 2009 : 17:50:47
Thank you very much ajjefferson.
I'll try that.

Have a nice day.
ajjefferson Posted - 02 juil. 2009 : 17:32:35
quote:
Originally posted by marginal

Hi ajjefferson.

Thank you for the answer.
I live in L'Ile Perrot, but I am talking about all greater Montreal.
Lately, everything seems to be OK, as if they've improved the service :-).
I only use the 91.9FM frequency.
I am not sure about my windshield coating, but it should be standard, I own a 1998 Saturn SL1.
Anyway, I'll take a closer look at what you've written later on, as I had too much beer now :-).

Regards.



BTW I leave mine on Automatic as opposed to locking to a specific frequency because of problems I have seen with the 7100:

1. If you lock it to a frequency, gain the signal and then lose it later on, the unit WILL NOT re-aquire the signal even if it is coming in loud and clear.
2. When you turn the unit off and then on again (eg. turn it off for the night and then back on in the morning) the unit again WILL NOT re-aquire the signal.

Even if I lose the signal for 5 minutes it doesn't bother me because warnings have expiries on them so they will not necessarily disappear if you lose signal. Been working great for me since they introduced 91.9 (except for a couple of days when the signal went down a while back).

Cheers,
AJ
marginal Posted - 01 juil. 2009 : 02:17:55
Hi ajjefferson.

Thank you for the answer.
I live in L'Ile Perrot, but I am talking about all greater Montreal.
Lately, everything seems to be OK, as if they've improved the service :-).
I only use the 91.9FM frequency.
I am not sure about my windshield coating, but it should be standard, I own a 1998 Saturn SL1.
Anyway, I'll take a closer look at what you've written later on, as I had too much beer now :-).

Regards.
ajjefferson Posted - 30 juin 2009 : 22:04:38
quote:
Originally posted by marginal

Hi everyone.
I own a NAVIGON_7100_GPS.
The problem is, that it never shows the traffic data, unless I go to traffic, settings, and change the frequency back and forth.
Only then it starts giwing me information.
Is it the same for all of you that own a Navigon GPS?

Regards.



Marginal, Do you have the Antenna plugged in? What area in Montreal do you drive?

Before TTN started broadcasting on 91.9FM I had to do the same with my 7100 for 92.9FM. But since they started broadcasting on both channels I get my morning traffic updates in Kirkland. As I drive through Pierrefonds (the western part of Pierrefonds has obstructions for both frequencies) the traffic ICON goes red. When I am back in zone it can take 2-3 minutes for the unit to cycle through to pickup the signal again. The rest of my day I get full signal so I don't worry about it. If you travel the fringe of the signal then you are going to have that problem constantly. Even if the TTN map shows the are you are in should have reception there may be some physical obstructions affecting the signal (example: Boul. Pierrefonds between St-Charles and Chateau Pierrefonds is considerable lower in elevation than the terrain south therefore there is a natural obstruction preventing the signal).

Also, if your windshield has a coating to prevent UV or glare then it can actually affect the signal reception. I had that problem once when I rented a BuicK SUV... GPS and FM signal was dropped by 90%.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
AJ
LawnGuyLander Posted - 18 juin 2009 : 00:14:44
I had a chance to get my hands on a GDB50 MSN Direct receiver and use it with my C550 briefly (it works and basically becomes a C580 as long as the GDB50 is plugged in). Overall, I could not see any differences in traffic reports versus TTN here on Long Island. The station carrying MSN Direct is a Clear Channel station and is also known as TTN-NYC1 for TTN coverage. Whether they both use the same data for their reports or just happen to have the same information I do not know. Most of the traffic information in this area is all automated so it is not hard to believe that they all have identical reports.
marginal Posted - 10 juin 2009 : 00:00:08
Hi everyone.
I own a NAVIGON_7100_GPS.
The problem is, that it never shows the traffic data, unless I go to traffic, settings, and change the frequency back and forth.
Only then it starts giwing me information.
Is it the same for all of you that own a Navigon GPS?

Regards.
Dr Tom Posted - 09 juin 2009 : 21:16:03
Yesterday afternoon, my Zumo 550 was lit up with traffic. They didn't cover all of the thoroughfares but it reported more that day than for several days combined. It's not as good as MSN but it is improved over what it was.
p5ku Posted - 09 juin 2009 : 21:06:19
Interesting, I haven't hooked it up on the weekend because I thought there was no reason. I did notice, though, that the beginning of last week was really bad. There was no events, at least for me, for the first half of the week. By Thursday, the coverage was amazing. By "amazing" I mean it functions as I thought it should in the first place. I was thinking that they must've done an upgrade last week -- maybe it's automated now.
LawnGuyLander Posted - 08 juin 2009 : 03:10:26
Perhaps they are feeling the heat from MSN and beefing up the service. When I was there last August, I noticed they did display advisories on the weekend when the Blue Jays were playing.
WAASup Posted - 08 juin 2009 : 03:08:02
This morning and again late afternoon (Sunday) TTN had flow, accident and construction events for the GTA. A welcome improvement! Funny though, there was no indication of the Lakeshore/Gardiner/DVP road closures for the Ride for Heart. The MSN traffic website didn't have them either.
mmmw Posted - 08 juin 2009 : 01:44:16
I haven't had my GPS on this weekend. But I did notice that Friday I was getting accident and slowdown coverage closer to home, where I usually don't get reports. I put it down to freak environmental conditions, but perhaps it's something more systemic (and hopefully more permanent).
trafficinfo Posted - 08 juin 2009 : 01:35:09
have you guys noticed that apparently now the TTN service is working 24x7. all this weekend it has been showing even slow traffic events and it is updating them accordingly. well as usual I would say. yesterday after 11pm I noticed it and this Sunday evenning it is also working. I guess that is an improvement , it was about time!.
WAASup Posted - 24 mai 2009 : 03:06:47
@civuck @marginal @rookie8155 @LawnGuyLander:

Thanks for the insights. After using MSN on a 680 for a year, I've been trying the free TTN that came with the 760 to compare services. Think I'll renew the expired MSN and use it with the 760 :-)

@civuck:
MSN service in Toronto was very limited (Gardiner/Lakeshore/DVP) until early Dec 08, when coverage was greatly expanded. And there was a multi-day service outage in March 09 :-(
LawnGuyLander Posted - 22 mai 2009 : 21:20:25
quote:
Originally posted by rookie8155
TTN service is useless. I always use MSN Direct, lot better.

That is not surprising. While I do not have MSN Direct, I quick check of Toronto on maps.live.com shows a lot of traffic flow information (does not look good at the moment on 401 and Eglinton ). Since that is the data they are probably using, it makes sense that it is accurate. It has been reported that the TTN service is a manually updated service and if someone is not paying attention at the data center, updates will not be posted. Here in the NYC area our coverage is 24x7 and appears to be automated as the flow maps closely match what is seen on maps.google.com and maps.live.com and they update rather quickly.
rookie8155 Posted - 22 mai 2009 : 21:08:59
WAASup,

TTN service is useless. I always use MSN Direct, lot better. But I tried TTN received which came with my 765 about couple of weeks ago. It was useless. I was driving on 409 to 401 east and it was not showing any traffic problems. But when I swithced to MSN, it rightaway showed slow traffic on 401 east.
marginal Posted - 22 mai 2009 : 15:56:49
Please, don't be so frustrated :-).
If you were in Montreal, it would be exactly the same !!!
civuck Posted - 22 mai 2009 : 15:16:08
The Clear Channel traffic information coverage in Toronto is absolutely horrible. I feel like a real sucker for spending the money on the lifetime subscription now. It has not improved one bit in almost two years.

It's lacking, inaccurate, out-of-date and basically useless.

I've been at a complete stop on the 401 during the day - no mention of any problems on my Garmin 760.

I've sailed across the 401 during the day - while I'm told there is a 20 minute delay.

Frustrating!

And I am convinced the Toronto 401 collector/express lanes data has a huge glitch for both the Garmin nav data and the traffic information.

WAASup Posted - 21 mai 2009 : 22:31:29
Any TTN users in Toronto/GTA experiencing reception problems? I originally thought it might be due to the holiday weekend...

Have a new 760 (FW 4.60 GTM FW 5.30) and received Toronto traffic info from May 8-15. After upgrading to GTM FW 5.50 on May 15, I've only managed to get signal twice on May 20 (0930,1700). When I touch the Traffic icon, i get a "No Traffic Data Available" popup instead of the "View By Road" summary screen.

Are there any diagnostic/reset procedures? I've tried resetting the FM table from the diagnostics screen. It seems to rebuild OK, but still no traffic info:

TTN-YYZ1 100.7 6/9 $ Total Traffic Network (US, 1000 64/0
TTN-YYZ1 88.9 6/9 $ CAN)
NotNamed 104.5 7/0

Called Garmin yesterday and they said there are not aware of any GTM20 V5.50 or Canada-related problems, and want me to swap the GTM20 for a new one.
ajjefferson Posted - 14 mai 2009 : 14:37:28
Montreal was back online this morning... The 91.9 transmitter was offline yesterday afternoon.

Cheers,
AJ
marginal Posted - 13 mai 2009 : 23:50:45
The same thing happens often in Montreal as well lately !!!
trafficinfo Posted - 13 mai 2009 : 23:29:53
this afternoon the system was down again. the transmitter were up , both of them , but they were not broadcasting anything. at 4 pm when coming back it was back on again.
panthers Posted - 08 mai 2009 : 16:56:00
I am im Montreal, is anyone using MSN Direct, and it is working with a good reception for traffic, weather...
I am using Nuvi 760.
Right now i have TTN, and the reception is on, off, on...for Terrebonne and also Montreal.

Thanks for the reply
marginal Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 22:39:43
i don't have TMC information in Montreal either.
The small triangle on my Navigon 7100 is white, but no reports on the screen.
akalpin Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 20:14:13
From what I understand, the updates for traffic 'events' are gathered from what is reported by Toronto traffic authorities so if there is no update broadcast, we won't see it on the devices. It could be the city has cut back on reporting in the system. Maybe Amy (if she sits in still from time to time from TTN) can comment further
Dr Tom Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 19:39:03
What I don't understand is that we have had various construction events throughout the city - e.g. Yonge and Bloor - with significant impact on traffic and they simply do not mention them.
trafficinfo Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 19:18:13
or maybe the guy is mexican and it is still celebrating the 5 de Mayo (May 5th) Festivities and Mexican Holiday! lol.

Usually they observe US and Canadian Holidays , who knows!. I too hope it is only temporary but yesterday I travelled a lot and it was also hit and miss as usual.
p5ku Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 17:28:33
I don't know about the Montreal area, but around Toronto the QEW is hardly listed anymore. Precisely at 9:00 this morning, the one event that I had on my route cleared. I checked when I got to work and the only two items listed for the entire Toronto area were construction related.

Maybe the guy that keeps it updated is on vacation, and someone is filling in???
techguy99 Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 06:19:02
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

This is the link, http://download.tomtom.com/sweet/navcore/navcore_8.014.9372.onev6.cab The file is one for the One 3rd Edition. As far as I can tell it offers no other changes since 8.010, other than to allow the USB antenna to work.

I made a complete backup of the files on my GPS first (better safe than sorry), and then you simply copy the files from this archive onto the device.



I downloaded the patch, installed it, worked like a charm. (thanks again for the info) I am receiving the very little traffic information there is ... But I am receiving something! This is a big step (for me)
So today I received info only on the 15 highway and 40. Nothing on the 13. Was there info out for jams on highway 13 on may 6 ?

Thanks


p5ku Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 04:30:04
My serial antenna broke in November, so I've only just got the new USB one working. I've noticed that the number of events is much less and their frequency of updating is slower. I'm hoping it's a temporary issue . . .
Mister E Posted - 07 mai 2009 : 02:00:23
Is it just me or does the TMC information in Toronto seem lacking as of late (say, as compared to a few weeks ago)? There doesn't seem to be nearly as much data on the highways nor have I seen any secondary road incidents reported (whereas a couple of weeks ago I was seeing traffic light outages, the protest downtown, etc.)

Even the Toronto map on their website (http://www.totaltraffic.com/LocalTraffic/Toronto/) seems rather lacking...
techguy99 Posted - 06 mai 2009 : 05:23:46
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

This is the link, http://download.tomtom.com/sweet/navcore/navcore_8.014.9372.onev6.cab The file is one for the One 3rd Edition. As far as I can tell it offers no other changes since 8.010, other than to allow the USB antenna to work.

I made a complete backup of the files on my GPS first (better safe than sorry), and then you simply copy the files from this archive onto the device.



Awesome! Thank you very much
p5ku Posted - 06 mai 2009 : 04:05:14
This is the link, http://download.tomtom.com/sweet/navcore/navcore_8.014.9372.onev6.cab The file is one for the One 3rd Edition. As far as I can tell it offers no other changes since 8.010, other than to allow the USB antenna to work.

I made a complete backup of the files on my GPS first (better safe than sorry), and then you simply copy the files from this archive onto the device.
techguy99 Posted - 06 mai 2009 : 02:37:56
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

As a follow-up to a couple of posts from March, any TomTom users that have been affected by firmware 8.010, you can now contact support who will send you a link to version 8.014 which does allow the USB receiver to work in Canada.



Could you put the link here? It would save me half an hour explaining the problem while them denying it. And another half an hour for them to find a solution. :)

And thank you very much for the info i called tomtom last week for an update on that topic, they told me very soon. They were right! great!

For people in Montreal region I got my RDS TMC 9V00.180 antenna in a store in St-Jean, here is the web page www.bedirect.ca got it very quickly, for 72.85$

p5ku Posted - 05 mai 2009 : 18:50:57
As a follow-up to a couple of posts from March, any TomTom users that have been affected by firmware 8.010, you can now contact support who will send you a link to version 8.014 which does allow the USB receiver to work in Canada.
hpatlik Posted - 02 mai 2009 : 05:24:54
Hi jimmy3000,

I recently purchased my GDB50 from gpscity.ca Cost is $144.61 including shipping & tax. Base price $125.95.

HPatlik
marginal Posted - 29 avr. 2009 : 03:30:48
Here, some more info:
http://pinouts.ru/GPS/navigon_gps_7100_audio_pinout.shtml
marginal Posted - 24 avr. 2009 : 00:49:56
ajjefferson, could you please tell me where I can buy a 4 conductor 3.5mm plug which will fit OK from?
Regards.
ajjefferson Posted - 22 avr. 2009 : 16:38:57
Well as long as you have 1 male and 1 female to make the original radio connection the 3rd doesn't matter because you have to make an adapter anyway (to go from 4 conductor 3.5mm to this motorolar connector)

Cheers,
AJ

[/quote]
Shouldn't it be the opposite?
One female (going to the male which comes from the antenna) and two male ones (one going to the radio and another one modified to go to the External Antenna/ Headset Socket) ???
[/quote]
marginal Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 22:21:14
quote:
Originally posted by ajjefferson

Here's the item:

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8819

quote:
Originally posted by marginal

Thank you very much ajjefferson.
You are of great help to me ...




Shouldn't it be the opposite?
One female (going to the male which comes from the antenna) and two male ones (one going to the radio and another one modified to go to the External Antenna/ Headset Socket) ???
ajjefferson Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 22:14:04
Here's the item:

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8819

quote:
Originally posted by marginal

Thank you very much ajjefferson.
You are of great help to me ...

marginal Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 22:12:37
Thank you very much ajjefferson.
You are of great help to me ...
ajjefferson Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 22:12:22
Marginal, I'll check your link tonight since my firewall here at work blocks eBay... But look at this one...

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8819

If you use 3 conductor instead of 4 conductor the last 2 sleves will be shorted together... so your antenna would not work. Also if you use an AV cable which has 4 conductors 3.5mm and 3 RCA outs (commonly used for iPod or Camcorders) you will trigger the Audio mute because the unit believes you are hooking up the Audio to your Radio Head Unit.. if you use your 7100 as your Bluetooth Hands Free you won't hear anything out of the built-in speaker.

Cheers,
AJ

quote:
Originally posted by marginal

ajjefferson.

Could you please tell me if I could use a Male 3 cond. 3.5mm jack instead of a Male 4 cond. 3.5mm jack, as long as we use only the wire that is closest to the sleeve at the base?
By the way, I found this http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=130299385981 splitter.
I don't know if it's going to be suitable for the task ...

Regards.

Dewi Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 15:01:36
@jimy3000: I'm in Toronto and I have both a GTM-20 and GDB50 for each of my Garmins (StreetPilot c550 and nuvi 760). I've used both TTN and MSND extensively in the GTA, and between the two MSND is superior for traffic info in Toronto. I've mentioned a few reasons why in this thread:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102324
I purchased my GDB50 from gpscity.ca which ships out of Calgary. Current cost is C$115, which includes a one-year service subscription with the cable. It involves a shipping charge, but since it comes from Alberta there's no PST collected, so that offsets the shipping.
jimy3000 Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 01:11:36
Yes, the free NAVTEQ is only accidents/incidents and very local...when i had TTN on my 550 i remember seeing incidents much further away. the only flow is with the Don Valley Pkwy..I haven't used TTN in awhile but I assume it's much better than the free NAVTEQ..

i'm still debating between the msn and TTN....i think you can lifetime MSN for $130 U.S.

quote:
Originally posted by trafficinfo

Could you please give us some kind of review of the Navteq Traffic Service in Toronto?. I beleive it is only Incidents (Accidents and Construction) and therefore do not provide Flow Coverage like TTN does. Am I correct?

Besides the traffic receiver that your unit has will also work with TTN provided that you subscribe to them (60 USD for a lifetime subs). If I were you I would give TTN a try instead of purchasing the MSN receiver and subscribing to MSN.

trafficinfo Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 00:36:49
Could you please give us some kind of review of the Navteq Traffic Service in Toronto?. I beleive it is only Incidents (Accidents and Construction) and therefore do not provide Flow Coverage like TTN does. Am I correct?

Besides the traffic receiver that your unit has will also work with TTN provided that you subscribe to them (60 USD for a lifetime subs). If I were you I would give TTN a try instead of purchasing the MSN receiver and subscribing to MSN.
marginal Posted - 21 avr. 2009 : 00:34:52
ajjefferson.

Could you please tell me if I could use a Male 3 cond. 3.5mm jack instead of a Male 4 cond. 3.5mm jack, as long as we use only the wire that is closest to the sleeve at the base?
By the way, I found this http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=130299385981 splitter.
I don't know if it's going to be suitable for the task ...

Regards.
jimy3000 Posted - 20 avr. 2009 : 21:26:28
just wondering where you purchased your msn receiver?

i've got a nuvi 755t with the 'free' (which in toronto means basically 'o' traffic coverage..way worse than ttn) navteq traffic

thanx
quote:
Originally posted by hpatlik

I just got a MSN recevier for my Nuvi 760 and I am impressed with the local traffic coverage and detail in Toronto compared to TTN.

Does anyone know if MSN has plans to extend gas prices and local events to Canada?

HPatlik


marginal Posted - 20 avr. 2009 : 19:24:01
Thank you very much for the helpful info.
Have a nice day :-).
ajjefferson Posted - 20 avr. 2009 : 17:14:40
Good Morning, I am not refering to the MCX on the back of the unit. I am refering to the "headphone" plug on the bottom left side that the Traffic antenna plugs into. BTW there is an aftermarket splitter you can purchase for around $20 that is made to connect multiple devices to the same car antenna. Haven't had a chance to look for it yet. Probably better at splitting the signal since my splitter screws up AM reception.

Cheers,
AJ

quote:
Originally posted by marginal

[quote]Originally posted by ajjefferson

Hello ajjefferson.

Thank you for the helpful posting.
I have a question though.
My GPS is the Navigon 7100 and I don't really see how you can plug the: "Male 4 cond. 3.5mm jack" into the Navigon 7100, as it has a MMCX Antenna connector?
Please clarify.

Regards.

marginal Posted - 20 avr. 2009 : 16:21:24
quote:
Originally posted by ajjefferson

Edr, here's a picture of the adapter I made:

http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/hajidirobertis/?action=view¤t=nvaigontmcadapterforcarradioantenna.jpg

I used the following components:
1. Short Car Radio Antenna Extension (one side male and one side female)
2. Small video splitter
[/b][/i]3. Male-male or male-pigtail 4 cond. 3.5mm with enough wire to go from behind your radio to your GPS.[/i][/b]
4. 2 coax connectors.
5. 1. Coax end cut from an old cable tv cable. About 3" or 4" to splice on the 3.5mm tail.

A- Cut Car Radio Antenna Extension in half and place one coax connector on each cut end.
B- Cut of one end of the 3.5mm M-M or just use M-Pigtail,
C- Identify the wire on the cut end of the 3.5mm M-M wire what is closest to the sleeve at the base of the 3.5mm plug (call this sleeve 3). Use a continuity tester for this.
D- Solder the wire which you have identified as being sleeve 3 to the hard wire from the old cable TV wire. Do not connect the ground if you still want to use the speaker on the Navigon unit.
E- Connect 3.5mm cable to Output 1 on the video splitter. Connect modified wire with the Male Car radio Antenna extension to Output 2. Connect modified wite with the Female Car radio Antenna extension to INPUT.
F- get access to back of car radio. Unplug Antenna from back of Radio and plug into splitter. Plug male from splitter into Car Radio where antenna plug was. Run 3.5mm plug wire through dash to where Navigon unit will be (allow for slack). Put dash back together. Now you should be sharing Car antenna with Radio and Navigon TMC receiver.

**AUDIO MOD** Note that if your radio has an audio input (mini plug or RCA plug). The following step should be done with step D above:
- Using continuity tester identify wire on the 3.5mm plug that is TIP, sleeve 1 and sleeve 2 (you are already using sleeve 3 for the TMC antenna).
- Connect Sleeve 2 ground to the shield on the old cable tv wire. This will tell the Navigon to turn off the internal speaker.
- create audio plug(s): TIP audio R, Sleeve 1 Audio L, Sleeve 2 Ground. If you use 2 RCA plugs then you will use the common ground.

Seems long but the picture explains most of it.

Cheers,
AJ


Hello ajjefferson.

Thank you for the helpful posting.
I have a question though.
My GPS is the Navigon 7100 and I don't really see how you can plug the: "Male 4 cond. 3.5mm jack" into the Navigon 7100, as it has a MMCX Antenna connector?
Please clarify.

Regards.
hpatlik Posted - 24 mars 2009 : 00:56:04
I just got a MSN recevier for my Nuvi 760 and I am impressed with the local traffic coverage and detail in Toronto compared to TTN.

Does anyone know if MSN has plans to extend gas prices and local events to Canada?

HPatlik
LawnGuyLander Posted - 16 mars 2009 : 15:00:52
quote:
Originally posted by Dewi

TTN has always provided incident info for major roads. This is not new.

This past summer, while I was visiting family in Mississauga, there was an incident on the 407 that remained for several days even though the incident itself was long gone. There are several postings about it several pages back in this thread. Someone finally contacted them about it and they removed it.
Dewi Posted - 16 mars 2009 : 14:24:45
TTN has always provided incident info for major roads. This is not new. If you go back in this thread to the end of 2007 you will see several surface-route incidents reported. One of the first incidents I received in 2007 via TTN was at the intersection of two major roads near my house, due to a broken water main.
Mister E Posted - 16 mars 2009 : 03:34:40
TTN (as of recently) has started to provide traffic info on the major local roads in Toronto as well. I've seen accident info, water main breakages, traffic light issues, construction, and even a fallen tree reported on the local roads.

It's good to have competition - forces each party to constantly improve their service.
LawnGuyLander Posted - 15 mars 2009 : 21:18:27
One area where I believe the MSN technology is superior is that all covered routes are highlighted. If traffic is moving well you will see a green highlight. RDS technology only supports displaying routes if there is congestion. If you do not see any highlight then one of two things is possible: 1) traffic information has not yet been received by the receiver for the highway in question or 2) there is no congestion.
Dewi Posted - 15 mars 2009 : 21:01:08
Prior to the start of December 2008, the answer was "no" -- MSN Direct traffic wasn't any better than TTN in Toronto. MSN did have the same incident information as TTN, but flow information was limited to the RTIS speed sensor data which only covers the DVP and Gardiner/Lakeshore routes.

However, during the first week of December MSN Direct started providing "full" flow information in the Toronto market, which made it substantially better. Coverage includes virtually all major highways and major arterial routes in Southern Ontario. If you go to http://maps.live.com, zoom to Toronto and click the Traffic tab, you will see the same flow coverage that MSN Direct is providing Garmin users.

Inexplicably though -- as of last Thursday afternoon -- flow coverage has switched back to the limited RTIS routes!

I've contacted MSN Direct Support and they had no explanation for the change and suggested that the problem might "resolve itself". If it doesn't (and I doubt it will), I will be calling Garmin next week to try to resolve it with them. I'll let you know what happens. EDIT: MSN Direct traffic flow data in Toronto has been restored to "full"

P.S. Here's why I think MSN is better than TTN in Toronto (only if/when it's providing full flow info):
1. Better flow coverage (more roads, with smaller road segment divisions)
2. Better signal coverage (Q107/CHFI vs CHIN/CIRV)
3. Traffic flow data is received/refreshed more quickly (every 30 secs vs every ~5-15 minutes)
4. Service is 24/7 (vs TTN's M-F 6am-7pm)
5. More cities covered in North America
6. MSN provides additional non-traffic data (weather forecasts, movie times, US gas prices, etc.)
hpatlik Posted - 15 mars 2009 : 16:47:47
Are the MSN traffic reports different from TTN? I am think about getting the MSN receiver but I am not convinced it provides any better data than TTN in Toronto, Ontario.

HPatlik
LawnGuyLander Posted - 14 mars 2009 : 13:31:25
quote:
Originally posted by hpatlik

(do they provide local traffic flows in the US?). It is still not 24/7.

TTN provides 24-hour service here in the New York City area. It only applies to major highways, which are the only roads that have sensors. Incident information is available on all highways. If you can see traffic flow information for a specific road in MSN or Google Maps then TTN is providing it as well.
hpatlik Posted - 14 mars 2009 : 04:40:39
They have started listing in the last couple of months local road information (closed roads, lane restrictions, signal lights not working, flooding, accidents). So it has improved from the original highways only format but no traffic flow on local roads but maybe its getting there slowly (do they provide local traffic flows in the US?). It is still not 24/7.

HPatlik
trafficinfo Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 23:47:24
As per the Tomtom USA Forum it all started to happen with the last v8 firmware. It only affects Canada and some type of units. you can read more here http://www.tomtomforums.com/general-tomtom-discussion/14362-xl-330-traffic.html. therefore wait for the next firmware update to fix it.

Anything new with TTN here in the GTA or is it still the same service?. I no longer subscribe to traffic services that is why I ask. 680 News and Gantry Signs cut if for me so far.
p5ku Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 04:35:29
I got the serial (non-USB one) antenna last April/May, I simply connected it to the GPS and it worked right away. Not sure what happens when it expires, as I haven't had it for a year yet. The antennae come with a year's subscription automatically.

Hmm, interesting news about the software update. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
techguy99 Posted - 13 mars 2009 : 00:00:37
Seems next week TTN will have an update from Tomtom for an update or work around about that software problem with tomtom rds receivers.
P5ku: So you have a subscription for the trafic service. How do you register to it? Through the GPS? or tomtom website? Because believe it or not tomtom support were not able to tell me how to register to trafic service... :|
p5ku Posted - 12 mars 2009 : 02:38:17
Yes, that's what I was lead to believe by some (but not all) of the TomTom support reps. Trouble is, they've been "working" on it since at least last summer. I'm beginning to wonder if it really is on anyone's todo list to fix. Support was unable to give me any indication of when the update may actually be out.

They've promised to extend my subscription, but I really want the traffic to work again! Oh well, I'll keep after them.
techguy99 Posted - 12 mars 2009 : 01:12:22
Thanks for the info i'll visit those website and hopefully i'll be able to purchase one of those antenna

P5ku: I was told that Tomtom is having an issue with the software on the tomtom one series, that is why your GPS is not receiving data from trafic network, tomtom ppl are working on it, hang on.
akalpin Posted - 11 mars 2009 : 15:27:24
try GPS Central
http://www.gpscentral.ca/

or

Radio World
http://www.radioworld.ca/
techguy99 Posted - 11 mars 2009 : 14:25:05
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

www.cdw.ca lists the traffic antenna, which I believe is the same one that is not working for me in Toronto.



Thanks for the info, i did tried to order from them before, they never shipped the antenna so i cancelled the order. And they sell the antenna twice the price than on tomtom website and tomtom web site don't sell to Canada...
ajjefferson Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 18:32:35
p5ku, just an FYI... visited my sister in Ottawa 2 weekends ago and had no problem with signal and reports on my Navigon. I know this doesn't help TomTom users but it does tell you the signal is there.

Cheers,
AJ

quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

Does anyone know why it doesn't work? I'm in Ottawa at the moment and it doesn't work here either. I'm assuming it only affects TomTom users, and perhaps only those with certain GPS units??

p5ku Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 18:26:51
www.cdw.ca lists the traffic antenna, which I believe is the same one that is not working for me in Toronto.
hpatlik Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 15:26:55
I noticed that Garmin finally fixed the display of the expiration date for traffic subscriptions. They now show it on the second line so that the last number of the year is not cut off.


HPatlik
techguy99 Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 04:28:33
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

Has anyone with a TomTom had problems with their traffic over the last couple of months? I broke my antenna last November (bad connector) and they replaced it under warranty with one with the USB connector. Ever since then it hasn't worked (it never tunes in the station). Tech support says there's a problem with traffic in Canada, but I haven't seen anyone really complaining about it here. Just wondering. I'm in the Toronto area with a TomTom One 3rd Edition with software 8.010 and map 7.15.



I would be very glad to help you but i'm still strugling to purchase the antenna. A tomtom reseller (gpscheap) sent me 2 antennas and both didn't worked, they sent me the wrong part number (European antenna type) So now i ordered the USB antenna and the reseller said that it's been discontinued, but tomtom said it is not. And now tomtom is telling me that there is no traffic service in Canada... I'm really confused... Thought i could get some answers here but seems that no one have tomtom GPS with an antenna here that is working...
probably gonna put my tomtom in garbage and buy something else.
If anyone knows a Canadian reseller that sells tomtom traffic antenna please.. please with sugar on top let me know. And if someone know if the tomtom traffic antenna work in Montreal... please... please again with the sugar on top... let me know... Thanks
shaderman Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 03:09:22
Panthers - I bought the lifetime subscription directly through Garmin, but even with the subscription, I'm don't have reception in Montreal.
shaderman Posted - 10 mars 2009 : 03:07:42
Hi hgate,

I was wondering about how you have your GTM20 set up. I still don't get a green connection in Montreal, but was in Ottawa over the week-end and it worked perfectly, so I know it's not the unit.

My cigarette lighter is in the bottom of my console, so the GTM20 is pointing vertically, but is very low in the car. I've tried putting as much of the cable between it and the GPS in the windshield, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

Any insight would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Eric
p5ku Posted - 06 mars 2009 : 15:00:25
Does anyone know why it doesn't work? I'm in Ottawa at the moment and it doesn't work here either. I'm assuming it only affects TomTom users, and perhaps only those with certain GPS units??
techguy99 Posted - 06 mars 2009 : 02:04:58
quote:
Originally posted by p5ku

Has anyone with a TomTom had problems with their traffic over the last couple of months? I broke my antenna last November (bad connector) and they replaced it under warranty with one with the USB connector. Ever since then it hasn't worked (it never tunes in the station). Tech support says there's a problem with traffic in Canada, but I haven't seen anyone really complaining about it here. Just wondering. I'm in the Toronto area with a TomTom One 3rd Edition with software 8.010 and map 7.15.




Tomtom support don't know what they are talking about... Each time i call them they have a different answer.
akalpin Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 23:51:04
I guess we are giving Amy more time to do other stuff
LawnGuyLander Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 23:46:15
Wow, I had forgotten about this thread. After the Montreal problem was solved, it basically shut down.
p5ku Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 23:37:49
Has anyone with a TomTom had problems with their traffic over the last couple of months? I broke my antenna last November (bad connector) and they replaced it under warranty with one with the USB connector. Ever since then it hasn't worked (it never tunes in the station). Tech support says there's a problem with traffic in Canada, but I haven't seen anyone really complaining about it here. Just wondering. I'm in the Toronto area with a TomTom One 3rd Edition with software 8.010 and map 7.15.
hgate Posted - 06 févr. 2009 : 12:47:24
Bonjour Panthers,

excellente réception et je suis aussi a Terrebonne. cependant, je suspend mon fil au rétroviseur central. Pour ton voyant jaune, c'est normal car tu n'as pas d'activation. Apres avoir entre la cle, Il pourra passer au vert lorsqu'il recevra le signal.
Malheureusement je ne connais pas les résultats avec MSN direct.

Bonne chance.
panthers Posted - 06 févr. 2009 : 04:00:25
Merci hgate...mais je suis un peu confus puisque mon gmt20 est toujours de couleur jaune et non vert même lorsque je suis sur l'ile de montreal...je demeure dans le secteur de terrebonne et je le même probleme. as tu du signal toi et est ce qu'il fonctionne bien. également j'ai déjà perdu ma période d'essaie suite a un voyage de 2 jours à new york. ensuite de retour à montral plus de signal donc la période d'essaie est perdu. J'ai écrit à TTN pour tenter d'obtenir un autre période d'essai mais aucune réponse. Finalement qu'el service est mieux TTN ou MSN Direct. Merci pour l'aide
hgate Posted - 05 févr. 2009 : 19:23:02
Bonjour Panthers,

Pour l'abonnement tu peux l'obtenir via le site de Garmin. tu devrais toutefois avoir une periode d'essai avec l'achat du gtm20 ou de ton appareil garmin.

Gate
panthers Posted - 05 févr. 2009 : 02:59:55
Bonjour Eric.
j'ai un nuvi 760 avec gtm20 mais pour le moment je n'ai pas d'abonnement. pour ton lifetime subscription tu as souscrit avec TTN directement ou d'une autre maniere. Finalement je n'ai toujours pas aucun signal sur mon GTM 20..Merci de me répondre
shaderman Posted - 03 févr. 2009 : 20:28:53
I have a nuvi 760 with the GTM20 traffic receiver, and a lifetime subscription to total traffic in Montreal. I have found that since they started broadcasting locally, I only occasionally get traffic data when I'm driving on the 40 between Decarie and the 15N and the receiver goes green for only around 2 minutes. I've tried putting as much of the cable in my windshield just to see if that helps, but seems to have made no difference. I have all the latest software and firmware updates. Can anybody who has a similar setup confirm whether it is working for them?

Thanks,

Eric
ajjefferson Posted - 27 janv. 2009 : 19:34:05
Had to stay home today because my son is sick so I took the time this afternoon to install the splitter. Overall I would say the reception is about the same as before and my Radio is not affected. EXCEPT I don't have the antenna strung across my windshield anymore. The suction cups holding it in place have already fallen off the windshield 3 times this winter so I don't have that problem anymore either.

Overall it looks very clean.

Cheers,
AJ

quote:
Originally posted by Edrtransport

Thanks Ajjefferson for the specs... i will work on that next month...(when the business will slow down...) that is perfect you can use that for many vehicules... but the question is how does the signal is improved ??? i guess you will test it out and let us know...



Edrtransport Posted - 24 janv. 2009 : 05:47:03
Thanks Ajjefferson for the specs... i will work on that next month...(when the business will slow down...) that is perfect you can use that for many vehicules... but the question is how does the signal is improved ??? i guess you will test it out and let us know...

ajjefferson Posted - 24 janv. 2009 : 05:09:12
Edr, here's a picture of the adapter I made:

http://s618.photobucket.com/albums/tt266/hajidirobertis/?action=view¤t=nvaigontmcadapterforcarradioantenna.jpg

I used the following components:
1. Short Car Radio Antenna Extension (one side male and one side female)
2. Small video splitter
3. Male-male or male-pigtail 4 cond. 3.5mm with enough wire to go from behind your radio to your GPS.
4. 2 coax connectors.
5. 1. Coax end cut from an old cable tv cable. About 3" or 4" to splice on the 3.5mm tail.

A- Cut Car Radio Antenna Extension in half and place one coax connector on each cut end.
B- Cut of one end of the 3.5mm M-M or just use M-Pigtail,
C- Identify the wire on the cut end of the 3.5mm M-M wire what is closest to the sleeve at the base of the 3.5mm plug (call this sleeve 3). Use a continuity tester for this.
D- Solder the wire which you have identified as being sleeve 3 to the hard wire from the old cable TV wire. Do not connect the ground if you still want to use the speaker on the Navigon unit.
E- Connect 3.5mm cable to Output 1 on the video splitter. Connect modified wire with the Male Car radio Antenna extension to Output 2. Connect modified wite with the Female Car radio Antenna extension to INPUT.
F- get access to back of car radio. Unplug Antenna from back of Radio and plug into splitter. Plug male from splitter into Car Radio where antenna plug was. Run 3.5mm plug wire through dash to where Navigon unit will be (allow for slack). Put dash back together. Now you should be sharing Car antenna with Radio and Navigon TMC receiver.

**AUDIO MOD** Note that if your radio has an audio input (mini plug or RCA plug). The following step should be done with step D above:
- Using continuity tester identify wire on the 3.5mm plug that is TIP, sleeve 1 and sleeve 2 (you are already using sleeve 3 for the TMC antenna).
- Connect Sleeve 2 ground to the shield on the old cable tv wire. This will tell the Navigon to turn off the internal speaker.
- create audio plug(s): TIP audio R, Sleeve 1 Audio L, Sleeve 2 Ground. If you use 2 RCA plugs then you will use the common ground.

Seems long but the picture explains most of it.

Cheers,
AJ


quote:
Originally posted by Edrtransport

ajjefferson... good idea i might do that too, let me know about the improvement... i might do the same on both of my vehicles with quick connectors... (it make me dreams about orlando or new york where you get reception in less than 20 seconds withouth any antenna plugged in...)
And about the message coverage you are right i got the 138 and clement(mercier), the 13, the 20, the 15,the 40... it is getting better every day!!!

Edrtransport Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 23:31:45
ajjefferson... good idea i might do that too, let me know about the improvement... i might do the same on both of my vehicles with quick connectors... (it make me dreams about orlando or new york where you get reception in less than 20 seconds withouth any antenna plugged in...)
And about the message coverage you are right i got the 138 and clement(mercier), the 13, the 20, the 15,the 40... it is getting better every day!!!
ajjefferson Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 18:40:45
quote:
Originally posted by LawnGuyLander
I guess I am spoiled being in metro NYC. Here it is just the opposite, information overload. We have had some days where there are so many problems that it exceeds the Garmin C550's ability to display them all. Once you get above 99 incidents, that is it. Only the first 99 can be queried.



LGL, well the most reports I have ever seen on Montreal was yesterday which was 20. Like I wrote before, if they did the bridges and tunnel you would probably double it. Montreal is actually 2 islands, both are elongated from southest to northeast. Montreal is the larger of the two with Laval sitting just above it. When people drive down from the north they have to go over 2 separate groups of brisges which are almost always a nightmare. Sort of like living in Newark and working in Queens.

Since the traffic is back up and running I am going to hookup my Navigon antenna to my radio antenna again. One of the benefits of having a separate Antenna jack and not part of the power cable. If it the temperature stays above 0°F over the weekend I will be able to make the mod and test it out. Should get bettter reception and my dash/windsheild would be cleaner.

Cheers,
AJ
LawnGuyLander Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 18:12:53
quote:
Originally posted by lamalice

I own a Nuvi 660 with the GTM 20 antenna. Signal still very poor in the montreal area.

Make sure your power cable is not coiled up. Also try to keep it stretched out as much as possible. It is the antenna to the GTM 20 and the higher it is raised in the car the better the reception. I finally went with suction cup hooks attached to the windshield that keep the power cable stretched out and with a clear view to the outside world for better reception. Keeping it lying on the floor will do a pretty good job of restricting you to only the strongest signals.
lamalice Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 17:55:16
I own a Nuvi 660 with the GTM 20 antenna. Signal still very poor in the montreal area. I drove every day St-Adele (up north) to Laval. No clear signal, sometimes catch it fow a few secs.
Anyone with Nuvi has the same problem ?
LawnGuyLander Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 16:43:16
quote:
Originally posted by ajjefferson


What I want to see is more accurate on all bridges and Tunnels... which is a major part of the Montreal rushour.

Cheers,
AJ


I guess I am spoiled being in metro NYC. Here it is just the opposite, information overload. We have had some days where there are so many problems that it exceeds the Garmin C550's ability to display them all. Once you get above 99 incidents, that is it. Only the first 99 can be queried.
ajjefferson Posted - 22 janv. 2009 : 16:37:41
Edr, I have noticed the reports have improved over the last 2 days specifically. Last night I saw 20 different reports that covered many areas of the island and north/north-east. AND the reports were accurate - it was dead on for 40 Ouest from the 15 through to the West Island... I also saw Decarie was accurate.

What I want to see is more accurate on all bridges and Tunnels... which is a major part of the Montreal rushour.

Cheers,
AJ
Edrtransport Posted - 21 janv. 2009 : 23:32:40
akalpin... you are right in other major cities the sources are better and they are covering mostly of the congested areas... here in montreal they are giving us a good covering of the 40 and the 15... the service is way better than a few month ago so we will give some time to TTN to look at the issue... So far some times the 20, 720, 13, show up but the infos are not reliable yet... The best is still to comes!!
akalpin Posted - 21 janv. 2009 : 19:17:04
I thought I noticed Water Main break notices in Toronto the other day, I wonder to what extent they are expanding the coverage, or to what detail the info is now being provided to TTN by the city of Toronto info source....
hpatlik Posted - 21 janv. 2009 : 19:11:40
Not sure if this has been mentioned already but the Toronto area is now receiving reports on local roads (Keele Street, Morningside, Weston Road), not just highways. What a surprise! Maybe I'll renew my subscription once it expires.

HPatlik
trafficinfo Posted - 19 janv. 2009 : 23:37:43
well as per your link the average ERP is actually less than 2 kW instead of 4.6 that the FCC has, so compared with Toronto I guess coverage area will be less. Good to know that Monteral is also getting flow info reported.

BTW an accident on the 410N this morning at around 9:52 am got reported on the unit 10 minutes later which is probably an improvement compared to when it started a year an a half ago.
ajjefferson Posted - 19 janv. 2009 : 16:11:36
trafficinfo... I am getting flow info (slow traffic spots highlighted) as well as incidents. I leave my Navigon on Auto and it picks up both 91.9 and 92.9 throughout my drive in. I only travel from the western end of the island to Decarie so I have a very good line of site to 91.9 antenna.

As for the shape of the footprint, Redvortex posted a link showing the Cardiode shape which would indicate an almost north direction of the antenna for 91.9:
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?canfm=CKLX-FM

As for your point about being able to receive the signal at Mont-Tremblant, I find that hard to believe. If you check the website above the limit for 91.9 is St-Jerome (40K from the antenna)... Mont-Tremblant is over 110K from the antenna. Its not just a line of site... compare that to the 92.9 Signal from Vermont which is also about 110K from Montreal BUT has a transmitter 10x the size. With perfect conditions you might get 91.9 in Tremblant but I really doubt it. Today was not a perfect day and I was 10K from 91.9 antenna and the signal was cutting in and out.

Cheers,
AJ
trafficinfo Posted - 18 janv. 2009 : 22:52:12
Finally!, now lets see how accurate and timely the info is. Are you guys getting flow info as well like in Toronto or is it only incidents? I remember in Detroit (see my posts/tests under SPC550 username 2 years ago) the flow info also had the average speed being reported as well, Toronto does not have it.

BTW if you guys care to post the farthest place where you keep a lock to the signal (Garmin users have it easy by just looking at the green led on the cigarrete power unit, althought technically the led keeps green even a few seconds after changing from receiving data mode 5 to analizing mode 2) we might be able to get an idea of the real coverage map for the montreal Area.

There is no Antenna pattern on the FCC database and it is actually Directional unlike CHIN which is Omnidirectional. Planet FM has more ERP power, 4.6 kW vs 4 kW but the Toronto station has the antenna at doble the height. Toronto also does not have mountains or high hills unlike Montreal, it is pretty much a flat surface which helps propagate the signal more easily. Any how I think that coverage should extend up to aprox 50 km at ground level. High places like Mont Tremblant benefit from the height and eventhough farther than 50 km will get you a signal.
hgate Posted - 17 janv. 2009 : 00:32:36
The signal is also good to receive the alerts from a GTM20 with the lighter plugged antena from The Nortshore in Terrebonne.

Happy owner of a Nuvi 660 in Montreal :)
saspeu Posted - 17 janv. 2009 : 00:20:56
Hi Guys,

Does this mean that my C550 should be locking to 91.9 and that it should be starting to get info now? Will it be picking up this signal auto? Or is there something i have to do?

Sorry for the question, but my wife needed the gps today...so i can't test it.

Thanks in advance!

Saspeu
C550 Montreal

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