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 [TOPIC] HP iPaq 310, 3x0 - Reviews - 03/2009 EOL

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gpspassion Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 01:07:17
UPDATED 20090309 : HP has finally put out the iPaq 310 owners of their misery, so to speak, by confirming that it will no longer be updated and that in fact they are no longer in the PND market. This was their full statement : "HP is no longer in the PND market and has no plans to introduce a new model. We continue to include GPS and LBS applications like navigation in our smart phones, but will not release any new pure PNDs going forward." as forwared by a forum member.

While the PND market has certainly become difficult, one can't help but think that HP didn't make the most of the iPaq 310 released in late 2007 with stellar features (800x480 screen, AGPS, iGO8's "liquid navigation") but was then poorly supported, with confusing software and map updates and not very functional PC companion software. All is not lost however as some enterprising souls have found ways to "customize" the iPaq by adding WiFi for instance.

UPDATED 20080629 : New update for the iPaq 310/314, see the details in this new topic

UPDATED 20080414 : New update for the iPaq 31x series, see the changelog on page 52.

UPDATED 20080124 : Wishlist for the iPaq 31x series - see >> this topic << for details and to add yours.

UPDATED 20080111 : a software update dated 20071206 is available via the Content Manager

UPDATED 20071117 : Customizing the iPaq 310 - see >> this topic << for details.

UPDATED 20071105 : first user review by rockymtnwulf on page 6 with pros/cons and pictures.



HP Website : Product Page
NEW - Video preview >> HERE << - More pictures >> HERE <<

Among the 5 new mobile devices announced by HP today, see details, the iPaq 310/314 is the one that stands out, at least GPS wise, as it is a GPS "Tablet" with groundbreaking specs :
  • 4.3" screen with a 800x480 resolution - to be compared to the 480x272 of the current 4.3" AIOs like the Garmin 6xx/7xx and TomTom x20

  • 600Mhz Centrality Titan DualCore platform - this is the new generation of Centrality platforms with a built-in GPS module. The 600Mhz Titan is rated at an equivalent of 2 Million correlators, to be compared to the 200,000 of the SiRFstarIII chipset and 200,000 polygons in OpenGL

  • "Autonomy" feature - on-board autonomous calculation of the ephemeris data normally broadcasted by the actual GPS satellites and required to compute a position. Downloading live ephemeris data requires a good signal level and always takes a minimum of 30 seconds when the transmission isn't interrupted by loss of signal (buildings, trees, etc...). Up to now, a workaround was to download the ephemeris data from a server, like SiRFinstantFix or NEX do, see this topic for more about that. With "Autonomy", they are computed directly on-board to get rid of the connection requirement, something that's made possible by the power of the CPU.

  • 3D Navigation - Judging by the screenshot above, the map rendering seems very advanced, with genuine 3D, something only available in Japan up to now. It even seems more advanced than the upcoming Nav'n'GO/MioMap 2008 that will be limited to well-known landmarks and terrain model
    UPDATE - based on the video linked above it appears that the software is customized version of Nav'n'GO v8 (i.e. Miomap 2008) and will not have full 3D rendering, only certain buildings

  • Built-in RDS TMC in Europe

  • WinCE 5.0 OS

  • 2Gb flash memory

  • MSRP : $449

  • NEW - Video preview >> HERE <<
  • - More pictures >> HERE <<
Questions, comments?
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psycogeek Posted - 15 sept. 2009 : 21:44:47
They www.naviextras.com now have Q2 2009 maps avilable YAY, update (this time) It cost me only about $60 for all of US , including a new free Dem, and the 12Mill pois updated.
took many hours of dowloading , server must be more taxed than before, as they acted slow.
Size went up on the flash drive space usage, but it still fits.

this might be important, the DEM data which was free, used a different Name convention , before it was na_USA.dem, the update put on USA.dem ?? or mabey the software had changed it or something?
i donno, but if you run out of space, check for junk and repeats, ALL of US and CAN will fit in the 1.7g space with space leftover , so its still viable even if it is larger.
spook45 Posted - 15 sept. 2009 : 03:49:42
quote:
Originally posted by wrhobson

Spook: Did you update your ATC to include the latest street maps? Are you a pilot? What do you plane on replacing your ATC with? How much do you think a used ATC will bring? Thanks.



Iam not a pilot (wish I was though). My dad had his private pilots license and I flew with him in his Tri-pacer years and years ago. I have the iPAQ 310 and used it as a road GPS device. I have not yet updated the maps at naviextras (yet) but there are others here on the forum that have. All that is necessary is to download their PC software, I think it is call Tool Box to your PC and when you run the software with the device connect it will see it as a supported device and tell you what updates (and their cost) are available. I have not heard any negative reports about naviextras but pleae do your checking just to make sure.
wrhobson Posted - 14 sept. 2009 : 22:13:39
Spook: Did you update your ATC to include the latest street maps? Are you a pilot? What do you plane on replacing your ATC with? How much do you think a used ATC will bring? Thanks.
spook45 Posted - 14 sept. 2009 : 21:32:24
quote:
Originally posted by wrhobson

Folks: I bought the Control Vision ATC (Ipaq 310) back in May and ended up returning it because I was so disappointed with the age of the street data base supplied in the unit and the inability of Control Vision to give-a-crap about the problem. All I got was a bunch of shoulder-shrugging and an almost "not my job" attitude from them. Do I understand correctly that you guys have found a way to update the street data base (clearly Control Vision's responsibility but they don't seem to see it that way) on your own? The street data base that came in my unit (even after multiple attempts at downloading many GB of updates) was 2007. Thanks.



It appears the Control Vision has purchased some of the HP iPAQ units for use with their Flight Mapping software. If you need to update the road maps you can do so at the naviextras site (www.naviextras.com). As you probably already know, HP no longer supports this navi unit.

Hope this helps you out.
wrhobson Posted - 12 sept. 2009 : 23:18:32
Folks: I bought the Control Vision ATC (Ipaq 310) back in May and ended up returning it because I was so disappointed with the age of the street data base supplied in the unit and the inability of Control Vision to give-a-crap about the problem. All I got was a bunch of shoulder-shrugging and an almost "not my job" attitude from them. Do I understand correctly that you guys have found a way to update the street data base (clearly Control Vision's responsibility but they don't seem to see it that way) on your own? The street data base that came in my unit (even after multiple attempts at downloading many GB of updates) was 2007. Thanks.
patruns Posted - 12 sept. 2009 : 23:01:45
quote:
Originally posted by psycogeek

quote:
Originally posted by patruns

Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package.

patruns, what is the "version" info on the maps themselves ? as seen when you go to SETTINGS (in the first screen) then SYSTEM then ABOUT, then click on the GLOBE, which shows the maps "about" stuff.



Sorry man. Been away and almost forgot about this forum. It says 1st quarter 2009 Tele-Atlas maps.
psycogeek Posted - 28 juin 2009 : 21:57:42
quote:
Originally posted by patruns

Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package.

patruns, what is the "version" info on the maps themselves ? as seen when you go to SETTINGS (in the first screen) then SYSTEM then ABOUT, then click on the GLOBE, which shows the maps "about" stuff.
patruns Posted - 17 juin 2009 : 15:07:38
Ok, I bit the bullet and bought the US/Canada maps, POIs, 3d package and safety camera package. Even over cable, this was a long process. Took about 4-5 hours. Sometimes the download would come quickly, other times not so much. Also, each download goes through the installation process first before the next download begins. That definitely slowed things. I had to move all the old files first to my PC before installing the new files. Would be nice if they simply were overwritten. All is done now and it seem to work fine. I'll try it out this weekend and see how it performs.
psycogeek Posted - 17 juin 2009 : 10:44:21
quote:
Originally posted by sutojl

[ed - see PM] I called support and escalated the "out of memory" when searching POIs.
There is an update now on www.hp.com support drivers.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=3544502&prodNameId=3544503&swEnvOID=2051&swLang=13&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=hh-70633-1

Thanks for posting this, i wouldn't have known of it's existance if you had not posted it.
the "download" is very simple to apply, it IS the entier POI database (by states), slightly larger than before (i wonder about any updated changes in it). you bust out the zip, and copy these new POIs where they were on the IPAQ flash disk, and this fix is then done.

It doesnt make any changes to actual programs (software) only to the database. (someone might want to know that).
I am still testing it, haven't seen any problems, but i only had one problem before, which was solved by keeping searches tight and defining as many parameters as possible, so the quantity of items was small.
patruns Posted - 10 juin 2009 : 17:38:21
I have not bought any maps yet, but the dates for the US maps are listed as 1st quarter of 2009.
wrhobson Posted - 03 juin 2009 : 23:11:27
Thanks for the update. I went ahead and returned the unit out of frustration. Can you do me the favor of letting me know what the effective date of the latest maps are? And, if you wouldn't mind, can you tell me if Columbus Circle in Okatie South Carolina 29909 is present in the latest maps from Naviextras? Thanks.
patruns Posted - 03 juin 2009 : 21:02:27
Naviextras is now supporting the device as an HP product as opposed to an iGO My Way device. I do not know whether they will offer software upgrades in the future but map upgrades, POIs. safety camera POIs and 3D packages are available, some on sale.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 21:43:28
Thanks. I wish I could buy/load just one state so I can tell if this is worth doing. I emailed Naviextras about the mis-identification and they suggested contacting the mfg (I already know THAT won't help) but also said that "though user expreience showed that this model (the 310) can be updated with Naviextras Toolbox, officially it is not supported. I guess it all rests on how intelligent the Toolbox software is vs how intelligent the program expects the user to be. I am not knowledgeable about the structure of these internal and external memory doodads and what goes where. If their software is smart enough I shouldn't need to be so I'll probably give it a try.
gpspassion Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 17:24:39
I didn't bother doing the update for my iPaq 310, but you should check the detailed write-up of psycogeek here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96823&whichpage=77#848073 as he went through the same process you did.
wrhobson Posted - 25 mai 2009 : 17:02:41
After downloading a 1.7GB "update" from HP that turned out not to be an update at all I'm a little gunshy (and over my head) with much of this PDA stuff. I went to Naviextras and got their Toolbox but when it ID's my device it sees it as an "I GO MY WAY 8". Is there anything inside this 310 that is "permanent" like software or is everything loadable? I'm concerned about doing so much "updating" that I render the device totally inoperative. I've been away from PC's for many years and never did get involved with PDAs before this.

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