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 [TOPIC] Navigon 2100 - User Reviews

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aljacket Posted - 06 sept. 2007 : 05:41:54
UPDATED 20071125 : New topics : The NAVIGON Index - Customizing the 2100

UPDATED 20071123 - Feedback from Supremo after unboxing his BF 2100 purchased at Staples this morning :

My $0.02 - I picked up the 2100 at the Staples Black Friday sale this morning ($99 + tax), included is a scratch-off card that allows you to activate the Free Lifetime traffic subscription. You get the product ID from the unit, scratch off the included card to get an activation code, go to the Navigon website and register your unit, then to the Activation website and (1) enter your product ID, (2) enter the unlock code on the back of the scratch off card. A new code is generated, enter it into the 2100 on the appropriate screen, and traffic info is now activated. Traffic data is supplied by Total Traffic Network, website advertises 68 major metropolitan areas currently supported. "Service is available for the life of the product as long as coverage exists".

Once activated, a "traffic" icon appears. Tapping it gives you a list of local areas where there may be "issues" (heavy traffic, road work, etc.) Not clear (yet) if this info is linked to the map display to warn you (there were no traffic issues in my immediate locale where I briefly tested it).

In addition to the Traffic service, a Zagat POI service is also available for $40 US. See the Navigon website for details.

Package from Staples included window suction mount, dashboard stick-on plate, CLA adapter, TMC activation card, Quick Start guide.

First (very preliminary) impressions-

(1) Screen is somewhat crowded (but usable)if you activate all the display features (speed, ETA, distance, etc.).
(2) Voice is somewhat tinny but easy audible above road noise
(3) SD card (2 Gbyte) appears to contain almost everything of interest, i.e
- 1 large .map file (1.42 Gbyte) in root with 48 CONUS states (no Alaska or Hawaii). Map file creation date is August 2007, but that could be simply the date it was loaded onto the SD card.

Note: While there is no Canada map included on the SD card, on the bottom of the unit is (stamped into the housing) "Canada 310"...

- MN6 folder with subfolders for languages, user settings, sound (looks like 3 TTS options), etc.
- POI folder (12.8 Mbyte)

I could not immediately identify a "skin" file.

I did not try various power/reset combos to see if I could get into the underlying operating system.

I only tried one route at one "setting", it seemed to be identical to my Mio's (C310x and C520).



UPDATED 20071117 : it seems the Navigon 2100, will be THE GPS deal of the 2007 Black Friday with :
- Powerful 7100 software (see dedicated topic)
- Activated Reality View option
- Activated Lifetime Traffic option

Prices so far : $150 at Radio Shack (see page 2) $99 at Staples - see this topic.




http://www.navigon.com/site/us/en/products/2100

It looks like another Navigon is coming down the pike, the NAVIGON 2100. From the Navigon Web Site:

quote:
A GPS device that makes you street smart.
View Demo Feel more confident on the road with the NAVIGON® 2100. Stylishly compact, accurate and affordable, the NAVIGON 2100 makes your world easy to navigate. It offers a brilliant 3.5" touchscreen display, intuitive menus, stunning 2D and 3D map views and clear voice guidance so you can keep your eyes on the road.

The affordable NAVIGON 2100 is built with the same design DNA of NAVIGON's award-winning 7100 and 5100 devices—and offers features that aren't available on systems at twice the price. It is among the only products in its price tier that offers spoken driving directions and street names with advanced text to speech technology, and offers NAVIGON's exclusive Reality View™ for extra 3D guidance when you need it most.
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dragao Posted - 09 déc. 2008 : 23:16:36
For those who have a Navigon 2100 and are looking for the Canada maps this is what I did:
Copy contents of original SD card to another SD Card 2GB.
Register at the Navigon site and register for a Navigon 2120 no serial or code is required. You will be automatically given a choice to download the 2120 update. Once downloaded put your SD card that has the copied files in your computer or card reader and run NAVIGON_2120_Updater_Version_1.2.exe You will get a message that there is not enought space in your SD Card just click on continue anyway and continue to replace files. Put SD card into your Navigon 2100 unit and press the reset button. YOu now have Canada, USA 48 States, Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico.
Navguy Posted - 14 oct. 2008 : 18:58:40
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, MAKES THE FORUMS EASIER TO READ, THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
Thanks. will try it on the road.
gpspassion Posted - 13 oct. 2008 : 09:42:43
That means it's detected by the software, a good start, when it receives actual data it becomes white.
Navguy Posted - 13 oct. 2008 : 02:43:11
not sure whether this is the right place to ask. How do you know whether Real Time Traffic is working? When I turn on the machine, I see the red circle with the exclaimation mark inside. Is it supposed to be green or some colors other than red?
jim_bo_78 Posted - 10 oct. 2008 : 17:02:47
Does anybody know how to change the special characters/symbols, to something more meaningful and/or USA specific? What I mean, is I'd like to use a single quote, such as Jim's house, and/or see special characters such as ,'"@#$%&*(), etc. Any helpful advise would be appreciated. Thanks.
ywcheung Posted - 01 oct. 2008 : 17:35:48
For those want to get SDHC card, I got mine with 8GB class 6. You want class 6 for highest speed. Lower the class number, it will be slower the speed. I was afraid to go higher than 8GB since some os version will be different in order to support 16GB. Anyone tried 16GB SDHC card on navigon 2100, please report it. I have 8GB class 6 working in navigon 2100.
bnewton001 Posted - 30 juil. 2008 : 19:10:49
I've been using my 2100 MAX for a few weeks, and have been very happy with it. I also have a Garmin Streetpilot C550 and a TomTom One XLS - The user interface of the Navigon wins hands down, and it is much more responsive than the TomTom, but the Garmin has better routing. I've messed around with the XML files (see other threads) on the Navigon and have seen significant improvements, but it still needs a little work.

I've got a question for those of you that have had your Navigon's for a while... one of the features of my other units that is invaluable when I'm on family trips is the ability to search along my planned route for POI's. The scenario is a car-full of kids on the way to the beach, and they want to stop at every McDonalds they see... I like to be able to tell if there's going to be another one (or maybe even something better) within the next 30 miles. The Navigon will show me the next few POI's on my route, and it will search nearby (and I understand that the "nearby" range is changeable), but I can't see how to look 15 or 30 miles down the road.

Any ideas?

Thanks-
\Brad
cafemoc Posted - 23 juil. 2008 : 04:00:30
quote:
Originally posted by miolover

ok. do you get signal when you use navigon apart from your car? i only get gps signal when im in my car. i actually like it now. just that the limited POIs and that i can't get gps signal ANYTIME, ANYWHERE that bugs me.


I just picked up mine from woot.com for $89 plus $5 S & H, and mine picks up signal pretty fast, inside of my house, work, no problem at all, its better than my Navman.
Mount was pretty bad, it didn't stick at all.
jimbobrown Posted - 22 juil. 2008 : 23:29:05
hey everyone, I've got a question for anyone. If I get the lifetime traffic and unlock my unit and screw something up that requires a hard reset, will the traffic still work or will I need to buy a new card?
lixtetraxx Posted - 22 juil. 2008 : 17:03:08
To Sharkonwheels (Or any other person who can answer my question)!

Hi m8 I am from Canada and I own a Navigon 2120. I have transformed it to my need but I miss some space on my SD card! I saw on this forum (P9) that you have used a 4G SDHC card formated in Fat and that it was working ok.

I have a question for you because I am planning on doing the same thing.

Did your Navigon 2100 can see all the space available on the SDHC card?

And Did it stay "Happy as a clam" again today in 2008?

Please answer me as quick as you can...
Lix
techguy Posted - 15 juil. 2008 : 22:41:26
Same here, looking for reviews and other info on the 2100 maxx. I just placed an order through Costco.com.
user4mseattle Posted - 15 juil. 2008 : 18:55:18
I might be posting this in the wrong forum but I got a navigon 2100 maxx and was wondering if there is anyway to backup the *.map files to my PC from the SD card. What is the location of those *.map files ?
DamonZ28 Posted - 01 mai 2008 : 13:17:57
You probably got a bad unit. I can get GPS signals in my house and other buildings, even in my basement.
miolover Posted - 01 mai 2008 : 04:52:17
ok. do you get signal when you use navigon apart from your car? i only get gps signal when im in my car. i actually like it now. just that the limited POIs and that i can't get gps signal ANYTIME, ANYWHERE that bugs me.
Kondyke Posted - 26 avr. 2008 : 05:31:10
quote:
Originally posted by miolover

i just got my navigon 2100. and im having bad vibes. 1st of all the mount sucks. am i the only one who has trouble connecting the center piece(where u put gps itself) to the rotating mount? i cant put the screw back. so since it is tight anyway i just left it unscrewed. then, since there's no ac charger. im charging it thru the usb connector to my pc and i cant use it coz it is displaying the connector screen. at least it has activesync. i can use my mio220 while charging thru my pc. i am gonna test it then il proceed with the unlock which is why i bought this in the first place. AND this has no earphone jack!! my mio220 has one.

question: is the SD card already put in the SD card slot of navigon when u open the box? i thought they forgot to give me the SD card and was surprised it is already in the SD slot.
mio did not put the SD card slot in the unit when i receive it. it was out in an SD case.

update: i tried the gps at home. it is not getting gps signal. mio220 has no prob getting signal ANYWHERE. NO STORE AND HOTEL POI CATEGORY?!! i wanna look up the nearest staples store in my area and there is no way to look it up!!! what kind of GPS is this?





Actually it's a very good GPSr, However looking at your Handle it doesn't surprise me that you don't like it. I can't think of a better place to ship the SD card then in the GPS it's self. It's possible you got a bad unit out of the box, do-do occurs. just take it back and try another.

Koni
BLUE Posted - 18 avr. 2008 : 14:53:28
Kilarney sounds like a good news.
Kilarney Posted - 18 avr. 2008 : 13:02:44
It was the original card, and I did not have a backup. To their credit, Navigon gave me no hassles at all about returning it for a new one.
BLUE Posted - 18 avr. 2008 : 06:01:52
Kilarney did you try to re-format the sd card & re-load everything back in? Another way is to take out the sd card then start the machine. @ this point it should ask for the sd card. Insert the card automatic soft booth should occur. I hope this helps.
Kilarney Posted - 15 avr. 2008 : 19:58:42
Can anyone help me? My Navigon was working fine. My wife left the unit on, and it ran out of battery power. The next day, we plugged it in and tried to start it. We got a "fatal application error" on startup. The unit said that MN6.exe had performed an illegal operation.

The machine is now a brick. I'm hoping that the 4/22 update will fix the problem, but in the meantime, does anyone have any advice on how to fix this? A sent an email to Navigon tech support, but I haven't heard back.

Thanks!
miolover Posted - 12 avr. 2008 : 22:34:07
i just got my navigon 2100. and im having bad vibes. 1st of all the mount sucks. am i the only one who has trouble connecting the center piece(where u put gps itself) to the rotating mount? i cant put the screw back. so since it is tight anyway i just left it unscrewed. then, since there's no ac charger. im charging it thru the usb connector to my pc and i cant use it coz it is displaying the connector screen. at least it has activesync. i can use my mio220 while charging thru my pc. i am gonna test it then il proceed with the unlock which is why i bought this in the first place. AND this has no earphone jack!! my mio220 has one.

question: is the SD card already put in the SD card slot of navigon when u open the box? i thought they forgot to give me the SD card and was surprised it is already in the SD slot.
mio did not put the SD card slot in the unit when i receive it. it was out in an SD case.

update: i tried the gps at home. it is not getting gps signal. mio220 has no prob getting signal ANYWHERE. NO STORE AND HOTEL POI CATEGORY?!! i wanna look up the nearest staples store in my area and there is no way to look it up!!! what kind of GPS is this?

MPBsr25 Posted - 12 avr. 2008 : 03:22:33
Remember if you're looking to use the system on multiple cars you need to purchase the vehicle mount for each car.

I also glued the move clip to the back of the 2100 and mounted the other part of the move clip to the vehicle mount.

dxtopher Posted - 10 avr. 2008 : 03:08:37
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

I also purchased the Move Clip to allow me to use the 2100 on all 3 cars.



Thanks. I will give that a try.
MPBsr25 Posted - 10 avr. 2008 : 00:13:20
I'm using Proclip (Proclipusa.com) as a replacement for the standard mount.

It's car specific. I also purchased the Move Clip to allow me to use the 2100 on all 3 cars.
BruceG Posted - 09 avr. 2008 : 19:18:05
I would be interested to know what type of mount you have; we purchased two 2100's back on BF and they had different types of mounts. One was one-piece rigid and the round bottom plate (for mounting to a dash) had a ridge around the edge. The other was was an articulated arm and the plate did not have the same lip around the edge. They both had the same adapter to connect the mount to the GPS.

Bruce
dxtopher Posted - 09 avr. 2008 : 19:12:21
I also just got a 2100 and really like everything about it except the POS windshield mount which sucks because it doesn't "suck". I already had Navigon ship me an RMA replacement and it is almost as bad as the original. Has anyone else had this issue? Has anyone found a workable replacement? Thanks for any input.
dlgold Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 17:08:19
I would really love some help if possible. I just recently bought the Navigon 2100 and absolutely love it. I live in DC and took it to Atlantic City and the 2d/3d ability, speed limit, projected time of arrival, etc etc are all great features in such a cheaply priced thing. (Especially since I just got in off of a staples.com sale for $120.. what a deal no?)

This is my question though.

If I am driving down a street and locate a Mcdonalds, Mobil gas station and Parking garage (3 POIs that have icons for them on my 2100), and I press the screen to find the phone number or EXACT address, a menu comes up with a “Night/Day, 2D/3D or Settings tab”..

How can I press the screen to reveal the phone number and exact locations of the POIs?

Any help would be great- dlg683@yahoo.com or on here would work too. Thanks
dlgold Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 16:49:16
Anyone know how to put a splash picture up on the GPS?
random08 Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 15:43:01
I spoke to Navigon about this today and was told that this issue pertains to 3 cities. MPLS, Tampa and Miami. They also said to enter the zip code first which is not a handy solution, unless of course you happen to know the zip code.

They said it was because MPLs has a lot of streets that start with the letter J, I guess I never noticed that many when I lived there?
L0stS0ul Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 06:04:24
R00.U.0920 here
theoldman1 Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 05:38:32
I have R00.U.0920
random08 Posted - 25 févr. 2008 : 04:38:43
quote:
Originally posted by Supremo

LOstSOul, theoldman1 - I have the same issue. What is your ROM version (I have R00.U.0914 and did update the unit a few weeks ago from the Navigon website)?



I have R00.U.0920 and it happens to mine.
Supremo Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 17:57:55
LOstSOul, theoldman1 - I have the same issue. What is your ROM version (I have R00.U.0914 and did update the unit a few weeks ago from the Navigon website)?
MPBsr25 Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 13:42:38
As I stated earlier no problem with mine trying the address, but I'm also running POI-Warner3.
theoldman1 Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 05:39:14
My 2100 did the same thing
L0stS0ul Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 04:56:23
I just tried the first test listed in the above post on mine, When I typed the J I got a message that said:

Title: Program memory is low

Description: Program memory is very low. You must select one task ... (could not read off screen) The amount of program memory, if available.

Then it gives me an option.

Mobile Navigator 6

Or

Convert some storage memory to program memory (with more text off screen I can't read)


I am unable to select either option as the dialog is much larger then the screen,. A reboot by holding down the power button for a few seconds got it back to normal. It was not a hard crash like I've gotten before that required a reset using the reset button
DentyneIce Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 04:32:45
quote:
Originally posted by aer

I also just tried it and have no such problem one 2100
.
Maybe when you updated software you corrupted one file. I would redo the update.

Are you running any third party software or any other changes besides update?



No third party software running and yes, I redid the update with the same results. Even reloaded my original MN6 which came on the SD that I kept as a back-up. Both the original MN6 and the update produce the mentioned results on my unit.
random08 Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 04:26:36
quote:
Originally posted by aer

I also just tried it and have no such problem one 2100
.
Maybe when you updated software you corrupted one file. I would redo the update.

Are you running any third party software or any other changes besides update?



No, I am using the original SD card that came with that has been updated, this is the only error I have received and the fact that mine happens at the exact time, when tapping the J, after entering in MN. then Mpls tells me that it must be more widespread, what are the chances that it could only be my 2100 and the OP's 2100?
aer Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 04:09:32
I also just tried it and have no such problem one 2100
.
Maybe when you updated software you corrupted one file. I would redo the update.

Are you running any third party software or any other changes besides update?
random08 Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 04:08:02
quote:
Originally posted by DentyneIce

Overall I like the unit but I am having this problem with "Program Memory is low" error message and consequent lock-up of the unit that only a reset will clear.

Entering the following address gives me the error on my 2100 unit every time I've tried:
State > Minnesota
City > Minneapolis
Street > Jackson St. NE

As soon as I type "J" for the street name the unit locks up.




I got the same error, exactly the way it did on your unit. I did not have to reset but did have to power off and power back on.

First time I have received an error.
MPBsr25 Posted - 24 févr. 2008 : 00:36:28
Just tried it on my 2100 with no problem.

Looks like you have a program problem with yours.
DentyneIce Posted - 23 févr. 2008 : 23:48:24
Overall I like the unit but I am having this problem with "Program Memory is low" error message and consequent lock-up of the unit that only a reset will clear.

Entering the following address gives me the error on my 2100 unit every time I've tried:
State > Minnesota
City > Minneapolis
Street > Jackson St. NE

As soon as I type "J" for the street name the unit locks up. I also noticed that when I enter the city “Minneapolis” the unit shows the zip code of 55415.

I almost was ready to return the unit when I thought about entering the data in a different way by starting with the from MAPQUEST looked up zip code for this address region in Minneapolis of 55413 instead of the city name and then the street name and voila no memory error message at all. It almost seems, as there are some problems with city name / zip code / street address allocation algorithms that could cause program memory overload in rare instances. I only wish the unit would at least give a choice to be more specific (e.g. zip code region) or exit graceful than just locking up.

Perhaps someone can try this on a 2100 and confirm which would indicate this problem exists on other units and not just mine. Thanks.
Kondyke Posted - 08 févr. 2008 : 05:24:10
quote:
Originally posted by John J

quote:
Originally posted by bm_ninada

John J - check the forum's available threads, sticky note on Navigon.


How do I access them?



John,
if you registered your Unit with the Navigon Website just log in and you will be given the update link.

Koni
John J Posted - 07 févr. 2008 : 03:15:18
quote:
Originally posted by bm_ninada

John J - check the forum's available threads, sticky note on Navigon.


How do I access them?
bm_ninada Posted - 06 févr. 2008 : 05:06:47
John J - check the forum's available threads, sticky note on Navigon.
John J Posted - 06 févr. 2008 : 04:33:57
Anyone download and install the 1.1 update (January '08) for the 2100? Any problems loading it? Does it make the 2100 better?
MPBsr25 Posted - 19 janv. 2008 : 03:50:24
Weekend Special

TigerDirect has the 2100 with Free Lifetime Traffic for $150.
MPBsr25 Posted - 03 janv. 2008 : 00:17:47
Looks like a wasted $12.50 even though I haven't received the speaker yet.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Navigon Customer,
Thank you for your inquiry.

At this time we do not have a head set sockets available, We might in thefuture, but that would be additional to the unit.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I did email Navigon back questioning page 22 being a mistake.

Maybe someone from the 5100 would be willing to buy since they're "supposed" to have th headset.
hoverhover Posted - 02 janv. 2008 : 23:51:53
Hey !
Does anyone know are there maps of Europe and Russia for Navigon 2100 US model ?

thanks a lot
MPBsr25 Posted - 31 déc. 2007 : 23:36:26
Well, if that's the case, it won't be the first time I've blown $12.
gman75 Posted - 31 déc. 2007 : 17:19:45
I think that is an error in the 2100 documentation where someone used the instructions for the TMC antenna on the 5100 in place of the the correct GPS antenna instructions.

The MMCX GPS port won't accept a 3.5 mm audio jack. If you have a set of headphones you will see they won't work.

The 5100 has both the MMCX GPS port and a 3.5 mm FM TMC antenna/headphone port.
The poster you are referring to reported he had to use a ground loop isolator to eliminate the noise when he connected the external speaker to the 3.5 mm port on his 5100.
Unfortunately this doesn't apply to the 2100 as there is no audio out port.
MPBsr25 Posted - 31 déc. 2007 : 00:15:22
I'm a little bored now, so I thought I would read the 2100 manual online.

Picked this up

Connecting an Optional GPS Antenna (Not Included)With the NAVIGON 2100, you can also use an external GPS antenna (not provided
with the device).
1. Connect the GPS antenna to the external antenna/headset socket on the NAVIGON 2100.

Someone here about 2 weeks ago mentioned that we might be able to use the Macally speaker made for the iPod.

Anyone here see this before or test it out?

long link edited, use tinyurl

Or maybe even this one. Claims no batteries needed

long link edited, use tinyurl
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I figure what the hell. So I just purchased the 2nd item posted above off Amazon. Worst scenerio I wasted $12+ bucks. On the other hand if it works, I'll be the savior of the crappy speaker for the 2100.
hollandm Posted - 29 déc. 2007 : 07:14:40
sixthday,

When you install the NA map does reality view still work in the US?

Also, are the US POIs the same between the US and the NA maps?

Thanks
sixthday Posted - 23 déc. 2007 : 20:21:35
I confirm that 2100 can use the map file from MN6 PDA version. Just copy the map file to your SD card and change current map in setting, you will be able to get it. Both US and canada map now.

However, looks like MN6 dont release the memory allocated and you will get out of memory error after. So just restart after you changed the map then everything will be fine.
hern_chen Posted - 19 déc. 2007 : 00:07:07
I noticed a neat (but not unique) feature of the Navigon software: When you enter a tunnel, the Navigon continue to give direction (presumably assuming that you are traveling at previous/legal speed).

Personally, I think the TMC feature is neat but useless (at least for now). For the feature to be useful,
1) The information broadcasted must be current (In two cases I followed, one traffic backup and one accident, the TMC events was outdated by 1-3 hours).
2) There must be good alternate route available (not on Route 128 in Boston area), The GPS software should tell you the time/distance penalties and let you decide whether to take alternate route.
3) The GPS software must be capable of coming up good alternate route (under constraint). The not-so-robust Navigon software came up with the most ridiculous route possible the only time I took the alternate route.

That being said, I think that the TMC situation would appear as TMC feature is being more popular and we do have lifetime free service.
unrequited Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 08:46:25
quote:
Originally posted by aer

Great. Triple check that by 1:1 they mean the ID pin which is something that from what I have researched is never done through the cable. But maybe we will be lucky!


The big thing will be price. Sample prices for a 6" (yeah, that short) cable are in the $18 range, which might come down by the time production is started. I'm considering whether or not to just wait until they hit market.

Since this is a custom order, they are def. 1:1 5-pin.
pratzert Posted - 16 déc. 2007 : 18:40:22
dornier,

I have the Navigon 5100 and a Garmin 2730. I subscribed to the XM NavTraffic for the 2730 and it it absolutly horrible. I have founf the Traffic on the 5100 to be much more reliable... but that still isn't saying much.

I think that ALL of the so called traffic services have a long way to go to be worth having. As you mentioned, if you had followed the warnings from the Navigon, it would have cost you even more time and gas to follow it's advice.

So far, I'm not impressed with it.

Tim
dornier Posted - 16 déc. 2007 : 17:48:36
Hello everyone,

Is there a way of only displaying the traffic icon when there's traffic on the route? I selected for the unit to only display traffic on my route, but it still displays the traffic icon with no traffic on my route.

By the way, I'm glad the traffic was free. I was driving yesterday and the traffic service claimed that there was construction on my route. It came up three times and was being updated while I was approaching the construction site. In all three cases I selected ignore. When I got to the site, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE! No construction, no signs, no lanes closed, and no stop and go traffic that was claimed by the traffic service.

GP
aer Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 13:55:40
Great. Triple check that by 1:1 they mean the ID pin which is something that from what I have researched is never done through the cable. But maybe we will be lucky!
unrequited Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 13:25:41
I found one supplier which is doing a mini-b extension cable already, they'll have a sample to me "soon" and it is 5-pin 1:1 wiring through and through, female on one end, male on the other. Provided they're on the up and up (I'll of course multi-meter it first) this will be the easiest and safest antennae extension. I'll post more when I get it, and no mention of prices yet.
aer Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 12:56:38
gman:
Unfortunately even within the Razr line there are often different wiring schemes within the USB head. The Moto Razr V3 Chargers use 200k resistance between id pin and ground (if I am recalling my reisistance codes from 25 years ago). Other Moto chargers need pin 2 jumped as well! Eg: http://krhainos.tk/motoplug.jpg

On the DC to DC Converter's amperage I have found that on a 5v 700 ma converter will work if the GPS battery is charged but won't if the battery is discharged. That is why you find people who say "it didn't work when I first tried it, bu I left it on and and a few hours later it worked!" What happned was that they got a trickle charge with the unit as unusable during the charge, but once the charge occurred and they unplugged and replugged in the converter the unit was usable.

I have seen right angle mini b cables on the web. They are very expenisive ($16 or so) and worse, the right angle head seems to have the same length as a straight head!

I am going to order a few of the moto right angle adapters you noted to see if I can pry it apart and reglue with confidence.

coldsilvernc,
The answer from Bowen is a non-answer. He is treating you as if you are naive and refusing to answer your the question about POI. Favorites destinations are not POI. POI show up on maps. Favorites do not. POI can be imported as collaborative databases.

The competition Garmin can do this, Bowen is is talking about something entirely different.

Months ago users began asking for Navigon's proprietary by design accessories such as chargers and mounts to be available in the US. A good number of people would be interested in chargers since that would overcome all the searching for creating custom cables. Also both mounts and chargers can be broken, and are also often stolen in car breakin when the owner has the main unit with them. They also just break.

Navigon ballyhooed that they were "listening" to customers and announced accessories about a month ago. They were not listening at ALL and did not offer ANY of their proprietary hardware accessories. They offered pouches, screen protectors and three outlet adapters, all of which were and are available generically for much less.
hollandm Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 05:31:21
Mike, Thanks for the info about traffic alerts. I get lots that are no where near me that it would be nice to filter out.
coldsilvernc Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 03:22:17
Forgot to add this in my last post. I ran across a question in a forum about customizing the radius for traffic alerts. For those of us who haven't found this yet, from the map screen push the traffic icon to get to the alerts list page, then press the all traffic alerts button at the top of the page which will open another menu that will allow you to select specific alerts like "only on route" and others. Now instead of an 60 or 80 mile radius, I only get alerts that are on my route.

Mike
coldsilvernc Posted - 14 déc. 2007 : 03:17:09
Looks like Navigon has heard the outcrys from the device owners and they appear to be taking it all very seriously. I came across a post on Terry Whites blog from Blake at Navigon and thought I would e-mail him to see if I got a genuine response. It took 4 days, but he did respond:

Is there a program available from Navigon that allows a user to input custom POI? The only resolution found on the forums is to purchase POI-Warner which adds another program to the Navigon and operates seperately from the embeded search program in my 2100. Other mainstream GPS manufactures have a program available for no cost to the user. Also, is there a routing update available now or will there be one in the near future?
If Navigon is interested in improving their U.S. production models and customer base here, the Gpspassion.com forums have a lot of information on problems that current users and early adopters are having. I look forward to your reply.

Thanks,
Mike
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gman75 Posted - 13 déc. 2007 : 20:17:50
My Motorola Z6TV cell phone came with a similar right angle mini usb connector. A quick test out in the car indicates it seems to work fine. It powered up and operated the 2100 as normal. I'll test charging on my way in to work tomorrow. Interestingly it may have slightly improved TMC performance. Perhaps it was coincidental but I got momentary reception and a traffic alert in my driveway where I have never received any signal before. Alas it routes the cable to the left which isn't any real advantage for my installation. The bag reads Motorola Kit Number:SKN6182A Manufacturer Code: 0824892. BTW some Motorola device chargers output more than the usb statndard 500 Ma. According to some of the chatter on Howard Forums some Motorola phones using the mini usb connector draw as much as 1 amp. I know my the charger for my Motorola HT820 BT headphone outputs 850 Ma through it's mini usb connector. So perhaps Motorola is using pins for non standard chargers.
Mikerman Posted - 13 déc. 2007 : 18:29:04
quote:
Originally posted by aer

mike nice find. I am going to order this and one with the extension cable. I am 99% sure that all five pins wont pass through as this is not usb standard. if that is the case the question will be how robust it is after cutting open to make necessary tmc connects or short and resealing. Thanks.


aer and unrequited--

Please do post what you find/find out. I looked hard and wide earlier to find that right-angle adapter (well, as hard as search engine searching is ...)--unfortunately for me, it angles to the other direction from what I needed (you would think that they would have them going both ways, or that someone would ...).

And for some strange reason, I have the feeling that this adapter is going to do everything that is needed. Don't know why, but I do--I give it a 75% chance ...

:)
Fredvs79 Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 20:27:25
Then again, if it's not free it will inhibit sales, reduce the perceived value of their units, and prompt some possible returns, which would drive down their stock.
Joe8720 Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 19:35:07
Does anyone know how old the base maps are on the 5100? I just bought one and the comments made on gpspassion were right on. These would include the routing issues and the speaker volume which could be louder.

As someone else posted it is in the the best interest of Navigon to provide the terms of January software upgrade now. If the upgrade is free its going to move sales forward, increase the buzz, make for happier customers, and preclude some returns.
unrequited Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 12:56:00
>aer
Please lemmie know if that right-angle adapter itself even has a 5-pin 1:1 in itself. I got some quotes back from the mini-b extension custom cable companies I asked. I'm still going through with them, will post more info when I get it.
Grayson73 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 23:03:10
I suggest that everyone email Navigon support regarding the routing issues. Hopefully they will release a patch.
aer Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 18:11:34
mike nice find. I am going to order this and one with the extension cable. I am 99% sure that all five pins wont pass through as this is not usb standard. if that is the case the question will be how robust it is after cutting open to make necessary tmc connects or short and resealing. Thanks.
Mikerman Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 17:54:59
quote:
Originally posted by unrequited

>Jettaguy
You'll lose the traffic capability then... Unfortunately for now there's no way to get a right-angle adapter that I've seen for mini-b 5-pin (which is what the 2100's use). I've contacted the makers of the FlexUSB full-sized to ask if they are planning or making a mini-b one:
http://www.ideativeinc.com/flexusb.cfm


Actually, there may be one (or might have been one) out there (mini-B right angle adapter)--I found it about 6-9 mths. ago. It came from a "major" manufacturer--it might have been Motorola. I was looking for something for my Mio C310x. The only issue with this particular one was that it angled to the left on the Mio (looking at the unit from the front)--I was looking for the other direction. Perhaps try a search engine search.

Actually, I think this was it--perhaps it would work (I'm not sure about the pin issue/count).

http://www.thebestsupply.com/Motorola_v3_Q_Mini_USB_Right_Angle_Adapt_p/pcs-skn6182.htm
Mikerman Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 17:42:05
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

Damn... I just paid $20 for the hard case last week at Staples. Oh well.


Do I recall that Staples will price match after a purchase? Just a thought (I don't recall for how long--I've done it in the past).
aer Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 13:22:32
to be specific in the cable trade they seem to be called "up angle" (widest part of mini-b on the inside of the angle) vs down angle. I think you want up angle or right angle (off to the side).

If you want to wire up or hard wire you won plugs all the angled connectors I have seen are sealed. There are non angled connectors that are snap open and closed that are great for custom wiring inside, but if you cut them open a non snap together mini-b I would not recommend using it for an applications in which you will be cycling the mechanical connection (taking the mini-b out and putting it in) hundreds of times in a device which damaging the plug will destroy utility do device.

the best and cheapest moddable straight mini b I have found is on the $0.86 razr charger on monoprice.com. It snaps apart and together and reglued is quite robust. If you find anything like that in 90 tI would love to hear about it, but do be careful as a lot of angled ones including the "flex" are often as long as straight plugs,
unrequited Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 05:41:57
>Jettaguy
You'll lose the traffic capability then... Unfortunately for now there's no way to get a right-angle adapter that I've seen for mini-b 5-pin (which is what the 2100's use). I've contacted the makers of the FlexUSB full-sized to ask if they are planning or making a mini-b one:
http://www.ideativeinc.com/flexusb.cfm
MPBsr25 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 03:40:14
I'll have to head back to Staples for my $5.

Thanks
Jettaguy Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 02:48:37
Hello, new to the world of GPS and the 2100, bought on BF for $99 at Staples. Hope someone can help. I'm looking for either a car power cord with a 90 degree mini USB or a 90 degree adapter so that I can mount the 2100 in the center dash compartment of my new Mazda 6. The cord sticks out almost an inch off the bottom of the 2100, and I'm hoping that someone has already solved this problem.

I see that Garmin's cords have the 90 degree plug. Is there one of those which won't damage the 2100?

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks!
pratzert Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 02:03:34
Most stores have a 30 day price guarantee and if they place an item on sale within 30 days of your purchase, they will refund the difference.

I would think Staples is no different.

Call and ask.... I'm sure they will give you the difference back.

Tim
MPBsr25 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 01:59:47
Damn... I just paid $20 for the hard case last week at Staples. Oh well.
Fredvs79 Posted - 11 déc. 2007 : 00:01:27
yes, they aren't always exactly where they say they should be. They're close enough that it hasn't been a problem so far to locate them from where the navigon says they are, but you're right that they are usually off by some distance. I wouldn't call that 'door-to-door' navigation directions, but for $100 I'm can't complain too much
DamonZ28 Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 20:29:29
Anyone else notice that the POI's are often quite aways off? I noticed several this weekend in WI that were a block or more from where they actually are.
Mikerman Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 18:07:01
Thanks for the heads-up, Bruce--save $5 off of $20 for the hard case.

Also, if anyone needs it, the Traffic Alert subscription also is at a discount, for $70.
BruceG Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 16:36:06
If anyone is looking for either of the Navigon cases or other Navigon accessories (12v to AC adaptor, 3x 12v car adaptor, etc.) Staples USA has them all on sale this week (week of 12/9) for up to 50% off. Good time to pick them up.

Bruce
hollandm Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 04:39:30
Alee & Mikerman,

Got it. Thanks very much.
garygid Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 03:54:42
I have used the Nav-Mat, even with a heavier 7-inch GPS,
and it really works quite well, although the GPS unit can
vibrate a lot unless the road surface is rather smooth.
Adding a soft support to dampen the vibrations can help considerably.

The big, rubber-based "foot" of the Nav-Mat tends to stay where you
put it, but it is best to be careful because it is still a loose
object, and it (and your GPS) tends to "keep going" if you stop fast.
Mikerman Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 02:12:14
quote:
Originally posted by hollandm

Alee, The link didn't work for me. What is the item name or number?
Thanks


I believe that he's referring to the Bracketron "Nav-Mat" which sits on your dash and is weighted.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8417055&st=dash+mount&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1181832025409

Best Buy's $40 price is high--it can be found for $20-$30 through third-party sellers at Amazon.com and Buy.com (and at Buy.com, you can get $10 off by signing up and paying with Google Checkout). And it's still $19.99 at HeartlandAmerica.com (and this link will get you free shipping on your first order as well, leading to a nice final price: http://www.catalogs.com/search_3.asp?id=834&depID=20 ).

http://www.heartlandamerica.com/browse/item.asp?product=nav-mat-for-gps-mobile-units&PIN=58849&GUID=4AB7DC67-9124-4AC2-967E-715F7814794C&BC=S&DL=SEH1 (if the link doesn't work, search for Nav-Mat).
mwsku83 Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 01:02:45
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

I ordered a screen protector and it was slightly to big.

Does anyone know the exact measurements of height and width of the screen only? (I know it's supposed to be 3.5")
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Figured I would try to measure the 2100 myself.

Can someone here confirm for me?

Height - 2 1/16
Width - 2 3/4

Thanks



Theoretically, if you have 3.5" diagonal screen at 4:3 (W:L) ratio, the dimensions should be:

Height - 2.1" (53.34mm)
Width - 2.8" (71.12mm)

It looks like your measured dimensions (H - 2.0625", W - 2.75") are pretty close to theoretical.
alee Posted - 10 déc. 2007 : 00:15:34
quote:
Originally posted by hollandm

Alee, The link didn't work for me. What is the item name or number?
Thanks



Goto: http://heartlandamerica.com and search for nav-mat
MPBsr25 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 23:37:09
I ordered a screen protector and it was slightly to big.

Does anyone know the exact measurements of height and width of the screen only? (I know it's supposed to be 3.5")
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Figured I would try to measure the 2100 myself.

Can someone here confirm for me?

Height - 2 1/16
Width - 2 3/4

Thanks
MPBsr25 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 22:50:47
The "move clip" is generic. The one piece (with holes) attaches to the "Vehicle Mount" and the other one to the GPS.

http://www.proclipusa.com/?sectionpath=362&pageid=9015&processor=content&p_origin=362&p_sectionid=362&p_pageid=13151&p_processor=&p_asp_processor=&p_action=&p_ppagecategoryid=&p_pagecategoryid=&p_pcategoryid=&p_categoryid=&p_sitecategoryid=&p_year=&p_countryid=0&p_leftorright=

Don't look for the Device Mount.
DamonZ28 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 21:03:05
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25
Their mounts (to dash) are car specific, plus you need to purchase a "move clip" I'm hoping to get mine delivered this week.



But which move clip do you get? It appears they only have the 7100 mount. I found the mount for my car.
hollandm Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 19:15:25
Alee, The link didn't work for me. What is the item name or number?
Thanks
gkamer Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 19:12:48
I just ordered the 2100 from Amazon.com for $179.00. It does show the traffic update as a $99.00 option for life time subscription.
alee Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 18:22:25
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

quote:
Originally posted by DamonZ28

quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

This company sells a vent mount that attaches to the groves in the dash. No drilling or screwing in. Plus they sell a "move clip". This is attached to the vent mount OR can even be attached to the mounting base above.

http://www.proclipusa.com/moveclips/moveclips.aspx



It looks like they only sell mounts for the 7100 - or is the mount the same? My mount will not stay mounted to the windshield, it keeps falling off (might have something to do with the zero degree weather!). My Saturn Outlook has a storage bin in the middle of the dash with a solid plastic cover, which the suction cup will mount to. However, it keeps popping off both the windshield and that cover. I'm thinking of using the disc, but I'd rather not.



Their mounts (to dash) are car specific, plus you need to purchase a "move clip" I'm hoping to get mine delivered this week.

Check this out. Even though it's more money than a vent mount, I just feel that it's only a matter of time before a vent mount breaks the vent.

http://www.proclipusa.com/vehiclemounts/vehiclemounts.aspx





Try this for a dash mount. Best Buy sells it for $39.95. Mine cost $22.95 from here:
http://heartlandamerica.com/browse/search.asp?GUID=4F3945C0-1344-4C04-827E-0F948F74D5FC&storefront=1
I ordered on 12-2-07 & received mine on 12-6-07. I like it.
MPBsr25 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 17:07:55
quote:
Originally posted by DamonZ28

quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

This company sells a vent mount that attaches to the groves in the dash. No drilling or screwing in. Plus they sell a "move clip". This is attached to the vent mount OR can even be attached to the mounting base above.

http://www.proclipusa.com/moveclips/moveclips.aspx



It looks like they only sell mounts for the 7100 - or is the mount the same? My mount will not stay mounted to the windshield, it keeps falling off (might have something to do with the zero degree weather!). My Saturn Outlook has a storage bin in the middle of the dash with a solid plastic cover, which the suction cup will mount to. However, it keeps popping off both the windshield and that cover. I'm thinking of using the disc, but I'd rather not.



Their mounts (to dash) are car specific, plus you need to purchase a "move clip" I'm hoping to get mine delivered this week.

Check this out. Even though it's more money than a vent mount, I just feel that it's only a matter of time before a vent mount breaks the vent.

http://www.proclipusa.com/vehiclemounts/vehiclemounts.aspx

Sharkonwheels Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 10:51:33
quote:
Originally posted by gpsman87

Now this is a real stretch of the imagination but here goes.
Let's say that "someone" activates the TMC that came with "their" unit. Now let's say that that person also has a Mio C310X and they actually liked the system. What do you think the chances are that if somehow the Navigon could be made to run MioMap 3.2 or 3.3 that the TMC function that is imbedded in the software for the Mio would work ??? It doesn't work with the C310X because the hardware isn't there, but "what if" it could find the TMC hardware in the Navigon?? To me, this would be the best of all worlds, except for the crappy speaker. I wonder if the Igo/MioMap software could be ported to accept the FM signal from the Navigon TMC function ????



I don't think we're supposed to discuss that here.
I can tell you, trying iGO 2006 Plus on my 2100, it never finds the TMC, and I didn't like the no street names on the speech.

I think, with the tweaks that have been mentioned a few times, the Navigon software is just fine. It directs me correctly, tells me to turn on time, pronounces street names OK, gives enough time with street names.

Now, once I get the TMC working again, I'd be perfectly happy.
Although I think the iGO interface is REALLY slick, compared to ANYONE else, the Navigon software is fine.

I would LOVE to be able to use the iGO software, but i can't find where to buy it, with US or NA maps! On top of that, the reason I got this, is for the TMC, otherwise, I would've gone with the Mio C320 because of the 4.3" 480x272 wide-screen. Maybe a little higer to the C520, if I convinced myself hard enough ;)

I've never liked the TomTom software, because of the menu structure and it's cartoonish look, and besides, they use that crazy cellphone-data for traffic. Haven't tried the others much, but don't really care for their look, anyway. If i had my choice, and could get TMC and street name pronunciation, I'd buy iGO and use that.

Incidentally, I picked up a case for the N2100 at Best Buy - a LowePro 30 camera case, which was like $12, some sort of nylon, with extra pockets where I put the extra SD cards. Nice cushioning inside for the 2100, to boot!

Also, I cut a PSP screen protector down to the N2100's size, and stuck that on, and is working fine, and sticking so far.

When indoors, I just leave it charging on my USB hub attached to my laptop, as I have zero need to use it indoors.

T
Sharkonwheels Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 10:34:10
quote:
Originally posted by srider

I saw Navigon adds on TV for the first time last night... there were a couple on my FX cable station.



I saw my first a few hours ago, as well.
I think on Comedy Central, while watching 'How High'.

I still think, for $99+tax, it can't be beat.
What else was there for $99?

Closest was C320 for $149 at RatShack, and the TomTom One V.3's at $125.
DamonZ28 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 05:35:42
I've been using iGuidance on an iPaq for about a year now. I had MN5 previous to that, and was actually quite happy with it before deciding to "upgrade." I was disappointed with the poor ETA calculations, often strange routing, and hard-to-navigate menus. I never could really figure out how to reroute around certain roads. After applying the xml updates, it looks like MN6 has very accurate ETA's (even for a 4-hour trip), and the menus, IMO, are much easier to navigate. I do agree - IG is much faster when navigating through screens.
DamonZ28 Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 05:30:54
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

This company sells a vent mount that attaches to the groves in the dash. No drilling or screwing in. Plus they sell a "move clip". This is attached to the vent mount OR can even be attached to the mounting base above.

http://www.proclipusa.com/moveclips/moveclips.aspx



It looks like they only sell mounts for the 7100 - or is the mount the same? My mount will not stay mounted to the windshield, it keeps falling off (might have something to do with the zero degree weather!). My Saturn Outlook has a storage bin in the middle of the dash with a solid plastic cover, which the suction cup will mount to. However, it keeps popping off both the windshield and that cover. I'm thinking of using the disc, but I'd rather not.
spotter Posted - 09 déc. 2007 : 05:19:58
I don't think its a function of the maps per say. It's stupid mapping software. Namely, the maps do probably view it as "turns", but the mapping software is stupid, it should be smart enough to know its staying on the same road (it knows the "old" road, it knows the "new" road, should be smart enough to know that they are the same).
gman75 Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 18:10:19
Even after the xml tweaks I still get similar wacky local routing. The only answer so far is to go to the turn by turn list and start excluding roads which is not very convenient and not helpful if you are navigating in an unfamiliar area. I also have a 2610 and despite lack of TTS, 3D, traffic and bluetooth, it is still the gold standard for me. It has some features that don't seem to be duplicated on any newer units including newer Street Pilots. Don't get rid of it.
poppo Posted - 08 déc. 2007 : 17:00:29
bb
quote:
Originally posted by Kilarney

If you try the modifications found here:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=97186&whichpage=1
I think you will find that the unit will give you MUCH better routes.

It's made a huge difference for me. I was ready to give up on the unit until I made these changes. We owe a lot of thanks to weatheryoko.



I recently picked up the 2100 at the $99 deal with free traffic, and at first was pretty impressed. But that quickly turned to frustration at the routing. I live in a rural part of Texas and am having a hard time getting it to route anything logical. For example, I live on an FM road which is 2 lane nicely paved and 70mph speed limit. If I try to route home from just 3 miles away (on the same road), it wants to take me on some bizarre 12+ mile route down dirt roads and who knows where. I was about to throw this thing out the window until I found this site and the link you posted above. I have not had much time to play with the settings, but I'm hoping that fiddling with the speed profile and navigation preferences will yield better results. What I think is happening is that the Navigon is considering a CR (county road) at a higher priority (i.e. better road) than an FM (farm road), which may hold true in some instances, but at least in my case, the FM road is the much better road. Oddly, even if selecting shortest route (with the default settings), it still wants to take the longer way which makes me think there is a bug in their routing calculator. BTW, my Garmin 2610 with 2+ year old maps has no problem in the area.
srider Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 16:19:15
I saw Navigon adds on TV for the first time last night... there were a couple on my FX cable station.
Cjarcz Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 12:17:10
Can TomTom maps be inported into the Navigon?
Fredvs79 Posted - 07 déc. 2007 : 06:58:45
I've seen the Garmin Nuvi 350 do this behavior as well. I think it is inherent with Navteq maps and how they are interpreted by the navigation software.

Might be worth comparing a TomTom that uses the tele atlas brand maps.

Supremo Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 05:30:44
srider - the "feature" you mention (distance to next turn really isn't a turn) is quite common in Mio PNA's also, I'm afraid there's nothing much that can be done - or at least no one has found a "hook" in the code for modifying this behavior.
spotter Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 05:28:18
srider, I think this is a function of the map data. Rent from hertz and get their (crappy, albiet used to be the best) gps and they have a similiar issue.

sometimes its useful for instance when a highway splits in two, but it should be more like "stay left to stay on interstate XYZ"
MPBsr25 Posted - 06 déc. 2007 : 04:07:07
Navigon now has a nice hard case for the 2100 for $20 at Staples.

$30 for a soft leather case

Picked up the hard case today.
srider Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 16:19:41
Annoying highway behavior - My Navigon 2100 seems to treat intersecting major highways as "turns". So if I'm travelling 10 miles on RT 95, but there is an exit for another highway 2 miles down the road, the unit will show a left turn needed in 2 miles on the display. It will also say "in 2 miles take a left and keep to the left on Rt 95". So I end up getting this message about 4 or 5 times, each time I pass a major highway, even though I am continuing straight for the 10 miles. It should just ignore these exits onto intersecting highways as it does other exits. Anyone else notice this or know how to stop this? Thanks!
spotter Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 02:49:56
I agree (and was annoyed by that fact) until I realized that entering addresses and route planning is not a long time endevaour so being unplugged for that short period of time is not the biggest deal in the world.
aer Posted - 05 déc. 2007 : 02:04:44
Bruce. using the adapter you bought ALLOWS it to be turned on since you are using the car charger which has a non standard usb that allows the unit to be turned on and allows for high amp charge.

So a 500 ma adapter is a bad choice since the unit can demand 1000 from it it fully discharged.

if you use navigons proprietary non standard USB charger interface -- and you are -- it is a bad idea to

Spotter, you are not really correct. most USB chargers will NOT work. Chargers have about ten different US wiring setups. If you go to www.pinouts.ru you will see proprietary (non standard) USB is more the norm than the exception.

Plenty of people do destination entry and route planning in the house. The navigon has no pc adjunct software for this purpose so it is very likely users will do so at home on occasion.
BruceG Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 22:26:11
quote:
Originally posted by aer

No do not use it. use instead a 1000 ma rated device such as the one designed by navigon at 1000 ma
http://www.amazon.com/Navigon-10000230-AC-Wall-Charger/dp/B000WXSTNK/

or since that is out of stock, this 1000 ma one which is in same price range as the one 500 ma one you linked:
http://www.amazon.com/SIMA-SPC-12V-PowerMax-Cellular-Converter/dp/B00006JQ5Z/

The danger is not to your 2100 device or its charger, but mostly limited to the the wall adapter you linked. If it is fused then most likely if you plug the 2100 while off it will trickle charge same as USB standard, and if you turn on the 2100 while plugged in it will blow an internal fuse in the 120 to 12v adapter.


quote:
Originally posted by spotter

usb spec only to power a device up to 0.5A


Yes, but navigon is not US spec in either amperage or pinout (wiring)
Two off spec conditions must be met for concurrent use and charge:
1) 1000 ma minimum
2) 4 and "x" pin short at usb mini-b head (vs standard x pin floating/disconnected)





Thanks very much! I don't intend to use it in the house of course, but wanted the ability to have it plugged in and not on battery power if I were working on the setup of software, etc.

Bruce
spotter Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 22:08:25
my point that a normal usb charger would be fine for charging. i.e. anything the fits usb specs will charge it in the house. It doesn't work that well in buildings anyways, so the fact that it can't be used while charging doesn't seem like a huge loss.
aer Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 21:24:11
No do not use it. use instead a 1000 ma rated device such as the one designed by navigon at 1000 ma
http://www.amazon.com/Navigon-10000230-AC-Wall-Charger/dp/B000WXSTNK/

or since that is out of stock, this 1000 ma one which is in same price range as the one 500 ma one you linked:
http://www.amazon.com/SIMA-SPC-12V-PowerMax-Cellular-Converter/dp/B00006JQ5Z/

The danger is not to your 2100 device or its charger, but mostly limited to the the wall adapter you linked. If it is fused then most likely if you plug the 2100 while off it will trickle charge same as USB standard, and if you turn on the 2100 while plugged in it will blow an internal fuse in the 120 to 12v adapter.


quote:
Originally posted by spotter

usb spec only to power a device up to 0.5A


Yes, but navigon is not US spec in either amperage or pinout (wiring)
Two off spec conditions must be met for concurrent use and charge:
1) 1000 ma minimum
2) 4 and "x" pin short at usb mini-b head (vs standard x pin floating/disconnected)

BruceG Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 19:52:55
quote:
Originally posted by spotter

usb spec only to power a device up to 0.5A



Sorry - I'm not all that knowledgeable about the specs - does this mean I cannot or should NOT use the device?

Thanks,
Bruce
spotter Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 18:05:14
usb spec only to power a device up to 0.5A
BruceG Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 18:03:38
quote:
Incorrect. Navigon uses a mini b which is a five pin connector. The data cable is a standard mini-b but the charger is not a standard mini-b. It is in fact a proprietary mini-b.

the sync cable is standard usb to mini b with four wires going from 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3, 4 to 4, and a fith pin (pin x) on the mini b is left floating (unconnected)

But to avoid defaulting to data mode the pin x must be shorted to pin 4, and this is the case on the navigon chargers.

http://pinouts.ru/GPS/navigon_charger_pinout.shtml

The charger mini-b end has pin 4 and pin x directly shorted. without this non standard short the device will go into sync mode and will not operate as a gps.

Dallas, if you are using the OEM charger you have either a defective charger or defective unit. Call navigon. They probably already know if a batch of bad chargers or units was sent out.

Do not use a charger "laying around the house" unless you are certain it is the relatively rare 4 to x short AND a 1000 ma charger (most with mini-b are 300 to 500 ma).


[Why do Navigon and other device makers have proprietary mini-b on power supplies? because the navigon will draw more than 500 ma (0.5 amps) when operating and charging. If it were to try and pull this it could damage a pc power supply or other devices on a usb hub. The solution is to have the unit not operate fully or charge fully with a standard mini-b that could be conmnected to a computer. Instead it wioll only operate fully and charge concrrently when definatevely not hoocked to a computer and the device knows this because there is a non standard mini-b (4 to x short, 4 to x with a resistor of a determined value)]



If you buy a cigarette lighter to usb adapter, plug in a standard usb to mini-b and plug it into the navigon you will go ito sync mode and navigation will not work.



Could I trouble you to amplify this for me?

I purchased an AC To 12V DC Power Converter from Parts Express that takes the 12v car charger input, and plugs into the wall to allow you to use the car chager at home. The description is:

This small, portable 120V AC power supply allows cell phones, PDA's, MP3 players and other portable electronics with a car charger to be used anywhere AC power is available. It is perfect for home, office, or travel use. Output: 12VDC, 0.5A.

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=129-300

You'll note the output is 0.5A, and you indicated that 1A is necessary. Is this device safe to use (i.e. it will not damage the SPG unit)? Or should I not use it.

Thank you,
Bruce
Supremo Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 04:32:00
Received activation card also (total billed cost from Buy.com was about $28.00), I agree with thexder but will reserve final judgement after some more trials.
MPBsr25 Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 00:16:38
quote:
Originally posted by thexder

I received my Zagat service card today. The activation process is the same as the traffic activation. The feature was immediately available in the destination search and shows up in the map view. Zagat rated POIs are denoted by a large Z next to their name. The destination search function now includes Zagat specific categories such as Zagat Hotel, Zagat Golf, Zagat Restaurants, etc. The resulting searches bring back entries with somewhat extensive summaries, costs, and a rating scale. This was a pretty good deal for $20 at buy.com.



Check it out for a few days and let us know if it's worth the $20.
thexder Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 22:15:02
I received my Zagat service card today. The activation process is the same as the traffic activation. The feature was immediately available in the destination search and shows up in the map view. Zagat rated POIs are denoted by a large Z next to their name. The destination search function now includes Zagat specific categories such as Zagat Hotel, Zagat Golf, Zagat Restaurants, etc. The resulting searches bring back entries with somewhat extensive summaries, costs, and a rating scale. This was a pretty good deal for $20 at buy.com.
NeitherFanboy Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 02:28:08
I agree with MPBsr25. I am sitting inside at a desk and I get a GPS lock within about 2 minutes of power it on. It has taken longer in some areas, specifically where there were lots of tall buildings, but never 30 minutes.
MPBsr25 Posted - 03 déc. 2007 : 01:11:16
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, SERVER SAYS THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
Sounds like a defective unit. Bring it back.
boom27 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 21:42:23
NeitherFanboy,

When I turn my unit I don't even get the little red gps symbol at the top. What does your unit show on the gps status screen under the options menu when you turn it on? Mine shows no data in any of the blocks even after 30 mins.

TIA
Bob
NeitherFanboy Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 20:30:03
boom27, unless I program a route, there is no special screen when the unit is looking for a link. Otherwise, the little symbol at the top for the gps shows red. If I plot route, then a get a big grey screen with three of the GPS icons at the top which warns me there is not enough GPS signal and routing will automatically start when the GPS gets a link.
aer Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 17:45:01
quote:
Originally posted by MPBsr25

Page 3 of the manual shows an external antenna slot.
Does anyone know if this is for traffic?



No. It is for an external GPS antenna. The great majority of people do not need this. If your vehicle windshield has certain rare characteristics, or if the gps device is well back into the vehicle, or you are very often in a tall building urban environment then you may wish to get a separate GPS antenna to affix to the roof or very forward point of the windscreen.
boom27 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 17:07:31
What does the GPS Status screen look like after initial power on while it is searching for sats? I am trying to determine if I have a defective unit.

TIA
Bob
MPBsr25 Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 16:54:24
Page 3 of the manual shows an external antenna slot.

Does anyone know if this is for traffic?

And where can we get one?
Mikerman Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 15:33:59
If that concerns you, swap it at Staples for a new box.

My box is sealed with an adhesive seal. Perhaps someone opened your box to look at the unit.
CulturedAndRefined Posted - 02 déc. 2007 : 11:02:17
i got a navigon 2100 on black friday at Staples. great deal and all. i got everything, the unit, the mount, and the lifetime traffic alerts. However, i am a stickler for perfection and i noticed that the protective film that is initially on the screen had fingerprints on it. I also found some scratches on the black, shiny border. these signs lead me to suspect that it might be a returned product. does anyone have anything to say about this? did your units also come with minor scratches?
pratzert Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 20:10:25
How do you set the local time on the Navigon 5100 ?

Is it supposedly automoatic ?

I cannot find how to do it.

It seems to be off by about 1-1/2 hours or so.

It does seems to have the correct GMT so it seems the time problem is in the local calculation of the time.

Thanks, Tim

ubiquityman Posted - 01 déc. 2007 : 08:50:29
Well, I finally broke out my Navigon 2100 this weekend for a road trip.
This is coming from the perspective of a Mapopolis user for several years, then iGuidance3 and iGuidance 4.

In terms of the Navigon 2100,
The good:
1) I haven't seen any of the routing quirks that others are talking about, it seems to be just as robust as iG4, however, I did apply the recommended setting adjustments.
2) I really like the guidance on this unit and the Reality View I do think is useful, better than IG4.
3) Included mount works well
4) Auto speed volume adjustment for sound.
5) Night view looks good and has a different brightness preset than daytime (as well as the usual color scheme changes).

The bad:
1) Poor POI system. It's impossible to say "Route to the Marriot in Paducah, KY" if the hotel is outside a local radius.
2) The unit is a bit sluggish in response when not in guidance mode. Slower than IG4 on my Axim X50v when entering data.
3) Speaker sounds poor.
4) Night view is not automatically switching.
5) Destination times are in GMT, not local time.
6) Non QWERTY keyboard. For people that type, it's just faster finding letter on a QWERTY keyboard.
7) can't zoom in/out in 3D mode (fixed zoom)
8) no carrying pouch/case

I'm not sure if I'm going to keep it. If I can get IG4 to run on it, I might keep it, otherwise, I'm thinking of returning it.
I saw how much more smoothly the MIO C230 runs at BestBuy, and the price is in the same ballpark as the Navigon, so I might give that a go.
smbr Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 19:31:59
quote:
NO NEED TO QUOTE A MESSAGE DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS, SERVER SAYS THANKS ;-) GPSPASSION TEAM
In the settings for TMC you can tell it to advise vs recalculate. As far as HOV I would be surprised if you can turn that off.
zDwinger Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 19:14:50
So far I have really liked the price/performance of the 2100. The only time I have seen strange routes is when I am trying to avoid traffic which brings up a couple of questions.

1. Is there a way to turn off the use of HOV lanes. I have been re-routed twice when avoiding wrecks to the HOV when the two major roads where block with lane-closures/wrecks.

2. Does anyone know the threshold for a route being auto recalculated due to traffic?

3. What is the difference in setting consider traffic in the route profile versus the auto-calc in the TMC settings?

4. If an incident is cleared will the unit route you back to the main road?

Thank!
NeitherFanboy Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 04:14:13
Yes, my 2100 also tells me which side of the street my destination is on. However, it chooses hinky routes when compared with Google Maps. I have applied the XML edits, and the routes are *better* -- but still not how I would actually drive them. Only thing I can say right now is: if I was completely lost, this unit would get me where I needed to go. It might not get me there in the best way, but at least I would arrive. I am hanging onto it hoping either a firmware update, or Justin's XML edits, will fix the hinky routing.
newaximowner Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 03:35:52
quote:
Originally posted by sixthday
Navigon also DO NOT tell you wether the destenation is on the right or on the left, which bothered me a lot.


My Navigon 2100t from Staples DOES tell me which side of the street the destination is on.
Pilgrimn10 Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 03:25:11
I bought 2 2100T units and have the same problem with both of them. The Time of Arrival is incorrect and seems to be off by 6 hours most of the time. Sometimes it is correct for a destination in a nearby time zone while incorrect for a destination in my on time zone. Other times they seem to be off by 12 hours. The GMT time on the GPS Status page is always correct as is the Duration of Journey. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions?
sixthday Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 03:18:37
quote:
Originally posted by ubiquityman

I have IG4 on the PDA but picked up a Navigon (from Radio Shack) because of the live traffic. I haven't opened the box yet, thinking in case reviews didn't turn out that favorable, I'd just return an unopened unit.

Does anyone out there have iGuidance and the Navigon that can give me their opinion on which one they would prefer to use?



I am a long time IG user since IG2 (actually since RoutIs 1.0). Navigon just came today and I tried a little bit. Guess I can give you some compasion:

1. Speed: IG4 is far better imo. Both button response time and route calculating time.

2. Road routing is by far the same, I tried some destinations and they both gives the same results.

3. IG has better on-screen information, larger font size, larger icons, better arrangement of icons, etc. On contract, Navigon has better colors, I had trouble to read under sunlight with my IG4 but, on Navigon, I see raod much clear.

4. IG4 has much better voice prompts. For example, IG prompts you in voice 3 or 4 times before a turn while Navigon only do twice. Navigon also DO NOT tell you wether the destenation is on the right or on the left, which bothered me a lot. (It do tell you keep left or keep right on highway)

5. The POI search, addree input, etc. are far superior in IG.

6. Navigon gives you more control of route settings.

In summary, if you have used IG a lot, the Navigon would like a RAW version for you. However, since there is Free Life time Traffic and, it could be hacked to install other NAV software in the future, I will keep Navigon for now.
boom27 Posted - 30 nov. 2007 : 01:50:17
Hi,

I just received my 2100 today. Can you guys tell me if the red GPS icon should be on when you turn on the unit or is there any info displayed in the GPS status screen? I understand that it needs to locate a signal for the red icon to turn dim but when I turn my unit on it doesn't show any icon or even any data on the GPS status screen other than the canned info but no info displayed after the : i.e. GMT: is blank not zeros or anything. However, if I do several resets I finally get something displayed in GMT and it shows zero coordinates and 0 sats after the :. Then unit then does lock on to the sats and updates. However, if I turn it off holding the power switch for more than 6 secs and turn it back on later I have to go thru the resets again before any info is displayed again on the GPS status screen. Do I have a defective unit? How can you tell it is searching for the SATs? Should at least some numbers be displayed in the GMT block etc on the GPS status screen while it is searching? Any ideas?

TIA
Boom27
Kilarney Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 22:31:48
Robert,

If you try the modifications found here:
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=97186&whichpage=1
I think you will find that the unit will give you MUCH better routes.

It's made a huge difference for me. I was ready to give up on the unit until I made these changes. We owe a lot of thanks to weatheryoko.
RDR Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 22:25:12
Navigon 2100 is my first GPS, purchased last week. Initial review is mixed because I am concerned by the sometimes crazy routing it chooses. I asked it to route from my home in West Lafayette, IN, to Pittsburgh, PA; Navigon sends me along the west side of Indianapolis along I-465; across the south side and then back north on the Indy east side on I-465. This is at least 20 miles of additional freeway driving and the worst possible routing as it makes two-thirds of a circle around the city. Mapquest and Google choose to route straight down I-65 thru downtown Indpls. then east on I-70; not a bad choice depending on traffic (best IMO is travelling on I-865 to I-465 east around north side of city). I tried all driving modes without any improvement in routing. Some modes irrationally route thru state highways instead of interstate highways. Both Navigon and Google also route directly thru Wheeling, WV on I-70; Mapquest correctly reroutes around this city on I-470; I-70 is currently closed for construction but even when it was open it narrowed to one lane each direction through tunnels.
Bottom line is that since this unit makes obvious errors on easy routes, why should I trust it to give accurate directions when I am in unfamiliar areas? Any way to easily correct the unit's calculating process? Do similar entry-level GPS units (Garmin, Magellan, TomTom) perform as poorly? The graphics are great on the 2100, but if it cannot find the best route then its main purpose has failed. I will continue to bring my AAA maps (how twentieth century).
ubiquityman Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 20:24:18
I have IG4 on the PDA but picked up a Navigon (from Radio Shack) because of the live traffic. I haven't opened the box yet, thinking in case reviews didn't turn out that favorable, I'd just return an unopened unit.

Does anyone out there have iGuidance and the Navigon that can give me their opinion on which one they would prefer to use?
1takevin Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 10:56:26
quote:
Originally posted by aer

quote:
Originally posted by 1takevin

I talked to a tech from navigon, and was told sometime within the first month or two in 2008, navigon will release a software program to add more poi.


You may wish to double check. Navigon implied to me that poi warner "lite" was being considered. With that you can not add your own POI's but rely on navigon's own databases which you purchase updates for after a while. this creates a revenue stream.



The tech didnt know if it would be a free download or not. He did say it was being developed inhouse thou.
jamathi Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 08:22:29
quote:
Originally posted by gpsman87

Now this is a real stretch of the imagination but here goes.
Let's say that "someone" activates the TMC that came with "their" unit. Now let's say that that person also has a Mio C310X and they actually liked the system. What do you think the chances are that if somehow the Navigon could be made to run MioMap 3.2 or 3.3 that the TMC function that is imbedded in the software for the Mio would work ??? It doesn't work with the C310X because the hardware isn't there, but "what if" it could find the TMC hardware in the Navigon?? To me, this would be the best of all worlds, except for the crappy speaker. I wonder if the Igo/MioMap software could be ported to accept the FM signal from the Navigon TMC function ????



I like the way you think! Come on I know a lot of you have the skills to do this stuff, this would definitely be the best of both worlds.
aer Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 06:20:45
quote:
Originally posted by mbloof


The USB connector is a 4-wire connector, 1-power, 1-ground, 1-data+, 1-Data-.
....
b. the charge cord that you are using is defective. This is a "standard" MiniUSB connector, I have dozens of them around the house. (if you have a MP3 player or digital camera, you likely have one)



Incorrect. Navigon uses a mini b which is a five pin connector. The data cable is a standard mini-b but the charger is not a standard mini-b. It is in fact a proprietary mini-b.

the sync cable is standard usb to mini b with four wires going from 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3, 4 to 4, and a fith pin (pin x) on the mini b is left floating (unconnected)

But to avoid defaulting to data mode the pin x must be shorted to pin 4, and this is the case on the navigon chargers.

http://pinouts.ru/GPS/navigon_charger_pinout.shtml

The charger mini-b end has pin 4 and pin x directly shorted. without this non standard short the device will go into sync mode and will not operate as a gps.

Dallas, if you are using the OEM charger you have either a defective charger or defective unit. Call navigon. They probably already know if a batch of bad chargers or units was sent out.

Do not use a charger "laying around the house" unless you are certain it is the relatively rare 4 to x short AND a 1000 ma charger (most with mini-b are 300 to 500 ma).


[Why do Navigon and other device makers have proprietary mini-b on power supplies? because the navigon will draw more than 500 ma (0.5 amps) when operating and charging. If it were to try and pull this it could damage a pc power supply or other devices on a usb hub. The solution is to have the unit not operate fully or charge fully with a standard mini-b that could be conmnected to a computer. Instead it wioll only operate fully and charge concrrently when definatevely not hoocked to a computer and the device knows this because there is a non standard mini-b (4 to x short, 4 to x with a resistor of a determined value)]



If you buy a cigarette lighter to usb adapter, plug in a standard usb to mini-b and plug it into the navigon you will go ito sync mode and navigation will not work.
mbloof Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 04:45:08
Charge problems?

The USB connector is a 4-wire connector, 1-power, 1-ground, 1-data+, 1-Data-.

If yours is wrongly thinking it is attached to a PC:

a. the charge cord may be installed inproperly, causing ether a data signal to be pulled HIGH (shorted to data+) or pulled LOW (shorted to data-).

b. the charge cord that you are using is defective. This is a "standard" MiniUSB connector, I have dozens of them around the house. (if you have a MP3 player or digital camera, you likely have one)

c. the MiniUSB connector or USB port on your Navigon is defective. The Navigon would inproperly think it is attached to a PC when a charge only cord is attached.

When it comes to the traffic option:

I'd have to assume that while "activating" everyone got a unique "coupon" to activate with and each Navigon 2100 displays a unique series of numbers when activating. There fore Navigon would likely do ether:

a. replace the unit with one that is aleady activated or
b. replace the unit with a retail box/unit that has another unique activation number coupon inside.

Dallas_GPS Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 04:05:06
I bought a Navigon 2100 from Radio Shack on Black Friday.

It shows the "connected to computer" screen when it's plugged into the car charger or home outlet.

Has anyone with a unit like this returned your unit? Did you get a unit that does charge properly and allow you to use the unit while it's charging?

If this charging problem is a mini-USB charger problem, then why do some people have this problem while others don't? Wouldn't everyone receive the same charger when they purchase the unit? Although I think the problem is in the unit's mini-USB port, not in the charger, because when I use a home charger mini-USB plug, I get the same problem. Leads me to believe the problem lies within the unit. Any opinions?

Also, I have activated the traffic on my current unit. If I exchange this for a new unit do I need to "deactivate" the traffic? Anyone have experience with exchanging units? There is no deactivate option on the Navigon website.

Thanks!
aer Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 23:20:19
quote:
Originally posted by 1takevin

I talked to a tech from navigon, and was told sometime within the first month or two in 2008, navigon will release a software program to add more poi.


You may wish to double check. Navigon implied to me that poi warner "lite" was being considered. With that you can not add your own POI's but rely on navigon's own databases which you purchase updates for after a while. this creates a revenue stream.
garygid Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 21:56:21
If one buys the "Zagat Service" from Navigon,
it is a "lifetime" subscription for the device.

Is the one above also "lifetime", or just one year?

How does one get the latest Zagat info and then
put that data into the Navigon GPS device?
(Download on PS, and write a file to the SD card?)

How often is the Zagat info updated?

Does one automatically get coverage of all
of the Zagat-covered areas in the whole USA?
Or, does one have to get the Zagat data state-by-state?

How many bytes of storage does the whole Zagat data use?

Thanks, Gary
sixthday Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 20:27:01
will that be free for us?

quote:
Originally posted by 1takevin

I talked to a tech from navigon, and was told sometime within the first month or two in 2008, navigon will release a software program to add more poi.

gpsman87 Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 20:25:53
Now this is a real stretch of the imagination but here goes.
Let's say that "someone" activates the TMC that came with "their" unit. Now let's say that that person also has a Mio C310X and they actually liked the system. What do you think the chances are that if somehow the Navigon could be made to run MioMap 3.2 or 3.3 that the TMC function that is imbedded in the software for the Mio would work ??? It doesn't work with the C310X because the hardware isn't there, but "what if" it could find the TMC hardware in the Navigon?? To me, this would be the best of all worlds, except for the crappy speaker. I wonder if the Igo/MioMap software could be ported to accept the FM signal from the Navigon TMC function ????
1takevin Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 19:52:46
I talked to a tech from navigon, and was told sometime within the first month or two in 2008, navigon will release a software program to add more poi.

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