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 What's new in Microsoft Streets & Trips 2008

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Marvin Hlavac Posted - 20 août 2007 : 11:22:13







Streets 2008








What's new
in

Streets & Trips 2008












This is not a full review of the program. It only is a review of new features in
the 2008 version. A

full review
was written here a few years ago, as well as reviews of new
features of versions

2005
,

2006
, and

2007
.







Perspective Map View
- (Other GPS navigation products call this feature simply
"3D-view".)  This
is a feature which has been on the very top of many users wish list for a long
time. And rightfully so. This feature is to allow drivers to view the map
"tilted" by a certain degree, so the view of the roads on the screen would
resemble what we would see through our windshield. People who are familiar with
this feature from having used it in various navigation systems know that the
benefit of 3D is the ability to view more detail of our immediate surrounding, yet at the
same time being able to view quite far ahead (with less detail). On a regular "2D"
map, if you wish to see more detail of your surrounding you would have to zoom
in, and if you wish to see more of the road ahead you would have to zoom out.



While I'm glad to see "Perspective Map View" included in the
2008 version, I'm not certain if the current implementation of it is going to
lead to many people actually liking it or using it.






Click to enlarge



The GPS location icon is positioned way too high, unnecessarily showing too
large portion of the road we have already passed, but not enough of the road
ahead.







I was going to use "Dynamic turn view" instead of "Keep position centered", because in
"Dynamic turn view" the GPS icon is close to the bottom of the
map most of the time (and that's where it should be all of the time), but unfortunately the
"Perspective map" is not available
when "Dynamic turn view" is enabled.



Because "Use Dynamic Turn View" and "Display as
perspective map"
cannot be used together, there is not going to be the automatic
zooming while using this new feature.







I've also observed that when outside a certain zoom level range, the map will
turn to its regular "2D" even when 3D ("Perspective map") has
been selected by the user. I would prefer the perspective view stays available
at all zoom levels. (3D is especially useful when zoomed all the way  in -
which is not available in this 2008 version). The above screenshot depicts zoom sliders at positions  beyond which 3D
turns to 2D.



Also I would like to see the map tilted by a much greater degree.


I wish there was a way to turn off the new bar on top
which shows heading and current time. It takes up valuable map space. Click

here
to see it better in larger size.



To summarise, I'm glad Microsoft has moved to implement "3D", but I wish
in the future there
will be some form of Beta testing done by customers who use the product on a
daily bases. Streets &
Trips is an excellent product, but it has some unfinished features which make
some aspects of it
look very amateurish - especially the GPS related features. For a comparison,
please view a sample of excellent 3D-view implementation by iNav Corp in its
iGuidance navigation software. Click
here to view a screenshot.





Automatic re-routing
- This is another long-awaited feature. In their own words: "When you miss a
turn, Streets & Trips 2008 will automatically update your directions to get you
back on track."








While other GPS navigation products recalculate a new route instantly, S&T 2008
recalculates automatically only after you are quite a distance from your
originally plotted route. This at first actually caused me to think the feature
wasn't enabled. I spent quite some time searching through the program's options to
find where to enable it. Well, it didn't require enabling, it just required me
to drive a bit further away.



In my estimation I need to be at least 100 meters (or 300 feet) off route before
Streets & Trips 2008 calculates a new route. I wish the recalculation was performed instantly
as soon as the red Off Route appears on the screen. I'm curious to read feedback from other users after they had a
chance to live with this new version for a while.



Unfortunately this new automatic re-routing feature is not optional. It is mandatory.
There is no setting to allow users to turn this feature on or off. Some
users may not wish to use any form of automatic re-routing, but there is just no way
for users to turn this feature off. Streets & Trips has always been marketed as
a trip
planning
product. But now, after some people spend their precious time
painstakingly planning their trip through the roads they want to take, or the
roads they need to avoid, they may find themselves at the mercy of this
new automatic re-routing feature. It's OK for a simple GPS navigation device not
to have the option to turn off automatic re-routing, but it is not okay
at all not to have such option in a sophisticated #1 best selling trip planning software
program like Streets & Trips.



A year ago I added automatic re-routing
feature into

S&T Keys
, my freeware add-on for Streets & Trips. It at first
wasn't an optional feature either, but after some users spoke up against it, I
added the option for users to turn off automatic re-routing if they so desire.
The following is a user feedback I received at that time:  "...Regarding S&T Keys, is there anyway that you can toggle auto-rerouting on and
off, or is there a version that is available without the auto-rerouting feature?
I'm an over the road truck driver who uses Streets and Trips every day to do all
his routing and navigation, however, the auto-rerouting feature is a feature
that I can't afford to leave up to chance since I drive a big rig and the last
thing I need to happen is to be arbitrarily rerouted through a residential area
or onto a restricted route with a possible low overhead obstruction.
Consequently, as it stands now, I'm unable to use the current product because of
the auto-rerouting feature..."




Streets & Trips is a "home" product, but judging by discussions on
various trucking forums it is used also by many professional
truck drivers. Also the
European version of MS AutoRoute is popular among truckers. But even if
Microsoft doesn't want to modify the program to suit the professionals, why not
do it for the owners of RV's. Every RV-related forum I have read has had many
Streets & Trips fans. And there are other reasons for which even drivers of
smaller vehicles may want to rather not use automatic route recalculation. It's
a great feature, but users should have the option to disable it or enable it.







Connected Services




I cannot properly review the new "Connected Services" functionality
because the service is unavailable outside the USA at this time. But here is at
least a little bit of info I'm able to provide.







The new optional "Connected Services" feature allows users to view
traffic conditions right on the map. The red line on the above picture indicates
a road segment with slow moving traffic.







Check gas prices.







The above screenshot is of a new "Connected Services" pane in
Streets & Trips 2008.







In the MSN Direct Receiver Configuration panel you may notice that I'm receiving
FM signal at 100% strength at 107.1 MHz (even in my basement, in Richmond Hill,
about 30 km from downtown Toronto). But at the moment no city in Canada is
covered by this service in Streets & Trips. To view the most up-to-date coverage
area, visit

this
MSN Direct web page. You may also find screenshots and more info

here
.











Microsoft Streets & Trips w/Connected Services package includes:


* MSN Direct FM receiver for receiving traffic
information and gas prices;



* A special USB adapter cable which also servers as an FM antenna;



* iGPS-500 - a GPS receiver based on SiRFstarIII chipset

 


I'm looking forward to reading feedback on these
"Connected Services"
posted by
actual users very soon. Please do post your positive and negative experiences.






Updated maps



MS AutoRoute 2008 - I
do not yet have the European version of this product, but I will try to make a
guess about the possible major changes to the map coverage. I'm going to base it
on the

press releases by Navteq
from the 12 months period preceding the release day of the last year's version of
AutoRoute 2007 (MS seems to acquire new map data early when they start working
on a new version).



I think it is reasonable to expect the following new countries added to
AutoRoute 2008:
Albania,
Macedonia,
Bosnia & Herzegovina,
Serbia & Montenegro. In
addition to that,
Ireland
and
Poland will now
most likely include 100% coverage. And as usually, map data will be aproximatelly12 months
newer for every country.



MS Streets & Trips 2008







I see newly built streets in this 2008 version.







I also see street level coverage in small remote areas which were just a dot on
the map in earlier versions. The above screenshot is of a small community named
Faro in Yukon Territory.



How up-to-date is the map data? In the past years it seemed Microsoft acquired
new version map data when they started to work on a new version of the product.
The last version of S&T 2007 started to sell in the fall of 2006, so I would
expect the map data, whose main supplier is Navteq Corporation, to be version Q3
- 2006. However, in the credits I see (c) 2007 Navteq. Either Microsoft managed
to find a way to include newer Navteq data in this product, or the 2007 is there
by an error. I lean towards the latter, especially because only about a
month or two ago I noticed finally newer map data in the Microsoft's on-line map
service http://maps.live.com/ and the
credits there went from (c) 2005 Navteq to (c) 2006 Navteq. Nevertheless, the
map is, as always, approximately one year newer.

 



Activation







The 2008 version introduces product activation. S&T can be activated on-line, a
procedure which takes only a few seconds, or it can be done over the telephone.
After installation you don't need to activate the program immediately. The
software allows 60 days of usage with out activation. However, some features
(for example the new connected services) may not be available before the product
is activated.



I successfully activated the product twice - 1st on my mobile PC, and 2nd on my
home computer. When I attempted to activate 3rd time, on another laptop, the
product activation wizard informed me I exceeded the number of activations
allowed. I was offered a phone number in case this was an error.



I don't see a way for users to de-activate the product on one computer, if they
wish to install it on another computer. Some programs allow for this to be
handled on-line, but I suspect a Streets & Trips 2008 user would have to do it
over the phone.






Fixed:







Even when GPS tracking is enabled it is now possible to draw
rectangles for the purpose of zooming to a specific area, or for the purpose of
setting an area to avoid. This was not possible to do in the 2007 version while
GPS tracking was enabled. Thanks for fixing this one!







Fixed:








In previous versions users complained that the landmarks category was
impractical to use because it was cluttered with major car dealerships. In the
2008 version I see vast majority of dealerships correctly placed in the Auto
Services category. Thanks for fixing this one, too!

 




Fixed:










Some 3rd party applications caused the above error when the 2007 version of
Streets & Trips was closed by users. I'm aware of three such applications which
caused the above pop-up to appear. They are

S&T Keys
(my freeware automation tool for Streets & Trips),
Full Screen 2000
(an application which can force any program into full screen mode), and
Hack-It Pro v4
(a desktop management application that allows control over window behaviour)



In S&T Keys version 2.41 I managed to bring this issue mostly under control, but
I'm glad that I will not have to deal with this annoyance in the future.
Thanks much for fixing this!








Not fixed:









Ever since the "Create GPS trail" feature was introduced in
the 2005 version, it was associated with a know issue. After prolonged use of
the feature, the CPU usage of Streets.exe goes up to 70%, 80%, 90%, etc. This
hinders the performance of the program. Certain features on the map, for example
street names and the GPS icon, will take long time to refresh. To reproduce the
problem is quite simple: enable "Create GPS trail", and then drive on a highway
for an hour. Watch the performance deteriorate. A known workaround is to either
disable the feature for a second, and then enable it again, or save (Ctrl+S).
This issue is still present in the 2008 version, as far as I can tell.





Not fixed:







When "Keep position centred" is enabled, the GPS icon should not
move at all. It should be pinned to the absolute centre of the map. The map
should move, but the icon should stay completely still.




There should be a new option to "Keep position on
the bottom"
.
The existing
"Dynamic turn view" feature doesn't do a good job of keeping
the position on the bottom (when "Rotate map to follow travel
direction"
is enabled). The GPS position icon may be found literally
anywhere on the screen. While the icon may be sitting on the bottom most of the
time, it often times starts climbing to the top in the most inappropriate of
times - right when one road segment ends and another one starts. Such behaviour
is not seen in car navigation systems these days anymore. Because of this
"travelling icon issue"
drivers cannot just quickly glance at the screen
to see where on the map they are. They first may need to take an extra second or
two to visually locate the GPS position icon on the map, because often times it
may not be where expected.



The whole
"Dynamic turn view" feature should be changed so it just acts
as an automatic zoom, and the GPS position icon should just be pinned to one
place.



Zoom function should be fixed so it zooms not to the centre of the map,
but rather to the GPS position when "Arrange map view" is
enabled. (When "Arrange map view" is not enabled, then
it is OK to zoom into the middle of the map.)





Not fixed:





(+) and (-) 15% may not be enough when you plan a bicycle trip or if most of
your daily scheduled stops are in a busy downtown area. Users miss the old speed
adjustment method of pre-2005 versions.





Not fixed:







Some lakes and rivers still keep disappearing when we zoom-in closer.



___________________________________________________________

Question?  Comments?





15   L A T E S T    R E P L I E S    (Newest First)
akku Posted - 30 janv. 2009 : 15:02:36
Regarding the auto-reroute feature, I have realised that the delay is present as a feature to allow users to bypass a stop and get on to another routed segment (if it is within 200m).
Without this people will be forced to drive to a stop which they may want to ignore.

If you notice as soon as your vehicle touches another routed segment, the system considers you being in the route.
Example in a round trip, if u make a 'U' turn you are considered going home.
TopSgtLawrence Posted - 03 mai 2008 : 18:58:56
Will that Microsoft streets download to a Jensen NVX 225 Navigation System?
Marvin Hlavac Posted - 20 avr. 2008 : 16:41:13
quote:
... This is the SAME FULLY UPDATED fully FUNCTIONAL S&T 08 that would come in the box with the antenna...just without the antenna, RIGHT?


Yes, the program itself is identical, whether you buy it with the GPS, or without it.

quote:
key words..."WIFE's" laptop, MY purchase for HER. I'm gonna be OK here, right?


Only she can answer that for you . But when she finds out that her gift was really meant to be a new toy of yours... - I sense a possible relationship issue .

quote:
Finally, it's not gonna make any difference which OS used -- Window's XP or VISTA (whatever we decide to load on the new laptop), correct?


I use S&T 08 on both, XP and Vista, with no problems.

quote:
Thank you all for your clarifying information. Looking forward to new discoveries...Great forum!


It's great to have you here. Enjoy GpsPasSion Forums!
TooLate Posted - 20 avr. 2008 : 15:41:09
Mr Hlavac: Absolutely wonderful testing, evaluation, work-arounds etc re: S&T08. A wealth of information...thank you.

bruntor, Pianotuna, (& Mr Hlavac): So, if I get the wife's laptop upgraded (new unit), install ST08, she'll be able to use the antenna etc from her old "0 4" version of ST. And she (or rather, "I") will be able to purchase & use the S&T 08 WITHOUT the hardware that is currently available from the Big Box Membership Warehouse (aka Sam's Club) and save a considerable amount of $$$ (the 08 box w/o antenna was marked ~$30) last weekend.

This is the SAME FULLY UPDATED fully FUNCTIONAL S&T 08 that would come in the box with the antenna...just without the antenna, RIGHT? key words..."WIFE's" laptop, MY purchase for HER. I'm gonna be OK here, right?

Finally, it's not gonna make any difference which OS used -- Window's XP or VISTA (whatever we decide to load on the new laptop), correct?

Thank you all for your clarifying information. Looking forward to new discoveries...Great forum!
TL
phamviet Posted - 17 avr. 2008 : 06:35:36
Thanks for the information. I downloaded and tested the XPort. It's working fine and does not consume much memory but still there are some problems:

- Output port errors: some chosen output ports do not work. It is said that The port is unavailable or the driver is incorrect. E.g. I choose Com 10, it does not work but when I switch to com 16, it works.

- It could not read the grp receiver directly. When I tested it with GpsGate, it reads data from an output port of GPS Gate without any problem.

Thanks a lot.

PS: The software Compass is cool too.
fish4funtx Posted - 17 avr. 2008 : 00:03:01
You could also use a program called: XPort from CuriousTech. It allows you to split the incomming GPS signal to more than one virtual com port, thereby allowing you to power more than one navigation program. And best of all, it is free or you could give a donation. Check out their website:
http://curioustech.home.insightbb.com/xport.html
phamviet Posted - 12 avr. 2008 : 16:48:25
Hi there,

I found the solution for my issues.

I have to use a program to read the GPS receiver and then feeds the data to Ms S&T through virtual com ports. Ms S&T reads the gps data from one of these virtual com ports. By doing this we may use one gps receiver for several applications at the same time.

To read and feed the gps data, I use the Franson GPS Gate. It costs roughly 40$. Thanks the Swift WX Forum.

PVH

Than
cghera Posted - 11 avr. 2008 : 23:56:12
Is there a way to add europe maps in Streets and trips 2008?
phamviet Posted - 11 avr. 2008 : 21:53:13
Hello,

I have problems with S&T. It could not connect to my Holux BT M1200 GPS receiver. It says that could not connect to the com port, check to see if other programs use it. At the same time, no other programs use that port. I check with another program and everything goes smoothly.

I still like to use S&T for navigation. Do you have an idea on that?

Thanks,

PVH
Marvin Hlavac Posted - 09 mars 2008 : 21:37:52
Chris, no, not on a PDA. You could install it on a small pocket computer, such as OQO2 (www.oqo.com) or a Sony UX, because they run Window XP or Windows Vista.

Years ago Streets & Trips included a free PDA map viewer, but that wasn't very useful for navigation, and it was later discontinued.
chrismcd Posted - 09 mars 2008 : 21:20:33
I was wondering if you can install S&T 2008 onto a PDa to use for navigation.. if so how do you do it...


Chris
chrismcd Posted - 09 mars 2008 : 21:20:01
I was wondering if you can install S&T 2008 onto a PDa to use for navigation.. if so how do you do it...


Chris
Pianotuna Posted - 09 févr. 2008 : 18:31:51
Hi Bruntor,

I'm using the gps unit from 2006 with my 2008--but as I don't like the idea of having to "register" the software, I've copied the data files from 2008 into the 2007 data file.

I hope that will be true for the 2009 data too
Pianotuna Posted - 09 févr. 2008 : 18:28:58
Construction Data

I did a manual download of the latest construction data for 2007 after I copied the data files from 2008 into the 2007 folder--update still doesn't work.

I think the data is "up to date" though I have no way to check.
bruntor Posted - 20 janv. 2008 : 17:07:09
I must have missed it but can I use my 2007 gps locator with S&T 2008 software and if yes then does it make any difference? Bob

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