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bruceb123 Posted - 27 août 2006 : 17:38:10
Update by GpsPasSion : best tool so far is XML Marker, details >> here <<


Has anyone found a clean, simple editor for the nuvi GPX file? I've been using a text editor on this XML file (http://www.geocities.com/ugoltsev/XmlWin/index.html) and that works OK but I'd really like to get all my waypoints into a table and be able to sort on a field, do multiple selects and edits and so forth, similar to the MapSource editor but without the enormous footprint of the MapSource "environment." I've tried EasyGPS but when saving the file it adds garbage (useless extensions) and appends two digits to the latitude and longitude of each waypoint. I also tried GPSBabel to go from GPX to CSV (and use Excel to edit the CSV) but GPSBabel discards the line feed character that the nuvi uses for it's orderly display of addresses and phone numbers. With the popularity of the nuvi, it seems SOMEBODY by now would have developed a simple, clean, dedicated nuvi GPX editor. By the way, I've had this 350 for 2 weeks now. I love it, and so far it's been flawless in all temperatures, power modes and on-off procedures.
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turboccc Posted - 15 mai 2011 : 23:57:01
I do not think Elevation is stored in the Favorites. That may explain why it disappears.
beddows Posted - 15 mai 2011 : 19:52:48
Nuvi 855
GPS_Guy Posted - 15 mai 2011 : 19:31:32
quote:
Originally posted by beddows

One thing I have noticed about it is that elevation info mysteriously disappears at times. Never been able to figure why that happens. Not a big deal. This is still the best editor I have seen.

You mean from your favorite? I guess I didn't realize that a favorite had an elevation associated with it. What model GPS do you have?
beddows Posted - 15 mai 2011 : 19:17:39
One thing I have noticed about it is that elevation info mysteriously disappears at times. Never been able to figure why that happens. Not a big deal. This is still the best editor I have seen.
GPS_Guy Posted - 15 mai 2011 : 19:00:15
I first used this program for a Nuvi 200W. That unit took a dump recently, the screen started to get white lines across it every other pixel, and eventually washed out completely. So I got a new unit yesterday, a 1450T. Not only does the unit kick butt IMO, but this POI editor works on it too. No problems at all.

It amazes me that Garmin hasn't come out with an editor for the favorites that isn't a complete piece of s***. I've tried the one from their site, and I'm not even sure what it was doing.

Anyway, thanks again for making such a bad ass editor.
turboccc Posted - 30 nov. 2010 : 02:01:08
Sorry for the mistake. I make more programs for my GPS than I play with it. LOL!
THung Posted - 29 nov. 2010 : 06:13:09
Also available for 7x5 series
NanaimoRick Posted - 27 nov. 2010 : 03:09:15
quote:
Originally posted by turboccc


1) You cannot delete any of the Favorites POI, except directly on the GPS. No error there. Deleting them from Current.gpx or from EPE will not do anything. You have to delete them manually one by one on your GPS. Garmin made sure to block users from doing this by mistake.



One small correction - you don't really need to manually delete favorites "one by one" from some Nuvi's. There is also an option to delete them all at once on at least the 37xx, 1xxx models.
turboccc Posted - 27 nov. 2010 : 00:55:20
Hi GPS_Guy,

Thanks! Glad you like it!

1) You cannot delete any of the Favorites POI, except directly on the GPS. No error there. Deleting them from Current.gpx or from EPE will not do anything. You have to delete them manually one by one on your GPS. Garmin made sure to block users from doing this by mistake.

2) You can save your GPX as a CSV (or XLS) file. You will have one row per POI and you can specify what you want in the columns by using the M-Column Assignment under the Options menu.

Turbo
THung Posted - 24 nov. 2010 : 07:05:32
The favorites generated by Poi Editor are imported in your "current.gpx" file. Here you can delete them
GPS_Guy Posted - 23 nov. 2010 : 07:28:55
quote:
Originally posted by turboccc

I just posted a new version of Extra_POI_Editor v4.84. I strongly recommend to update to the latest version. You can find the latest version here:

http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor#Extra_POI_Editor-Download

Turbo


Hey Turbo, your program kicks butt!!!

---- deleted the rest of my initial post - -

added.

The only two things I can't make happen are;

1) If I delete a file with your program, it doesn't actually delete it from the favorites list in the GPS. Am I doing something wrong?

2) Is there a way to view all of the saved locations/favorites in a list format where than can be edited? Double clicking a location and opening the window to edit each sites specific information is very handy, but a little cumbersome.

Two thumbs up on the editor!!!
beddows Posted - 01 sept. 2010 : 02:34:42
Dumb me, I see that now
turboccc Posted - 01 sept. 2010 : 00:35:56
Ahhhhh! To include the email column, just select M-Column Assignmnent in the Preferences. You can setup up to 24 columns. Then, save As "M-Column CSV" in the file type.

Turbo
beddows Posted - 31 août 2010 : 17:30:39
NO, an email column does not show up in the CSV file in excel. No characters are truncated, the column simply is not there. The only reason I care is that I want to split a file into sub files with the States as subcategories. Best way to accomplish this was, I figured was to sort by state then cut & copy each section into mew CSV files & re-import. Only problem is all the emails are missing.
turboccc Posted - 31 août 2010 : 14:21:53
@beddows,

Dunno, but I'll check. Do you know after how many characters it clips? What do you put in this field? Only email/link info or a lot of text with CRLF?
beddows Posted - 31 août 2010 : 08:36:17
Turbo, how come when you save as a CSV, the email field is truncated?
THung Posted - 31 août 2010 : 08:18:56
quote:
Originally posted by turboccc

@THung,

Yes, I think this is a map feature. If you find anything that needs to be included in a POI file, let me know and I'll modify Extra_POI_Editor to include it.

Turbo


Sorry for replying so late. I guess that Garmin has in the maps additional Lat/Lon for other exits. I cannot imagine, that the gpx file can save more then 1 Lat/Lon for the same waypoint which would show up as additional selection if selcting a Waypoint.

Cheers
Thomas
turboccc Posted - 30 août 2010 : 01:56:33
I just posted a new version of Extra_POI_Editor v4.84. I strongly recommend to update to the latest version. You can find the latest version here:

http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor#Extra_POI_Editor-Download

Turbo
Bipolarbear Posted - 16 août 2010 : 09:24:22
Thanx Beddows, I am using digital degrees, and when loaded with POI loader we get directions to the correct place, so don't think navigation is the problem?

quote:
Originally posted by turboccc

The maps use Internet Explorer objects. I assume you have IE 8+ installed, right? If IE works, the maps should work.

Otherwise, something went wrong at the install for sure and there is something missing. Not sure what. Did you run the install in Administrator Mode?



I have IE8 64 bit installed, though my default browser is Chrome, not sure if that would be an issue, IE works fine though - also have Firefox installed, but rarely used now.

No - didn't install in admin mode, will try that later (heading out for a BBQ now), I will be sure to remove all remnants of EPOIE before I re-install.
Will let you know how I get on.

Cheers,
Bear
turboccc Posted - 16 août 2010 : 07:21:21
The maps use Internet Explorer objects. I assume you have IE 8+ installed, right? If IE works, the maps should work.

Otherwise, something went wrong at the install for sure and there is something missing. Not sure what. Did you run the install in Administrator Mode?
beddows Posted - 16 août 2010 : 06:18:29
Another thought. Are you entering the coordinates in the correct format. I don't know if it matters, turbo can answerr but i use 102.34567 for example, decimal degrees, not minutes & seconds.

Try entering

-100.01267 16.92009

You should see a penninsula in Mexico.
Bipolarbear Posted - 16 août 2010 : 05:45:26
quote:
Originally posted by beddows

Grasping at straws but try right clicking the icon & running it as an admin. Maybe your anti virus or something is blocking its access to the net.


Thanx again, but nope, still doesn't work, have also disabled all anti-virus and firewalls, but still nothing.
I reckon its something I have done wrong, but cant figure it out.

might try running in safe mode??

Cheers,
Bear.
turboccc Posted - 15 août 2010 : 21:50:13
Good call beddows.
beddows Posted - 15 août 2010 : 21:40:40
Grasping at straws but try right clicking the icon & running it as an admin. Maybe your anti virus or something is blocking its access to the net.
Bipolarbear Posted - 15 août 2010 : 21:21:25
Just had a brain flash. If you go to options., is "enable internet" ticked?
Yep internet is enabled, have tried it both ways a number of times just to be sure...

1- Did you run into any problems when installing the program? Did a library could not be installed?
No errors came up and I have installed it a few times, now running 4.83
2- Is the map totally white or do you see the + and - buttons? If you see the buttons, try to zoom out a bit (or a lot). Maybe the map is too much zoomed in.
No, map is totally white, no zoom buttons showing.

Am I supposed to load a map with the prog, or associate one with it somehow?

Thanx for your replys,
Bear.
turboccc Posted - 15 août 2010 : 20:17:25
Hi Bipolarbear,

1- Did you run into any problems when installing the program? Did a library could not be installed?
2- Is the map totally white or do you see the + and - buttons? If you see the buttons, try to zoom out a bit (or a lot). Maybe the map is too much zoomed in.

Turbo
beddows Posted - 15 août 2010 : 16:26:42
Just had a brain flash. If you go to options., is "enable internet" ticked?
Bipolarbear Posted - 15 août 2010 : 11:49:41
Are you entering the co-ordinates right? You may need a minus sign in front of the longitude or latitude.
Yep co-ordinates are correct, all works with the Nuvi when loaded.

Its also google maps, not google earth. Can you go to http://maps.google.com/ OK?
Yep, can get to that page fine.
beddows Posted - 15 août 2010 : 11:37:16
Are you entering the co-ordinates right? You may need a minus sign in front of the longitude or latitude.

Its also google maps, not google earth. Can you go to http://maps.google.com/ OK?
Bipolarbear Posted - 15 août 2010 : 11:33:12
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but it seems to be the best one about Extra POI Editor.
My problem I suspect has a simple remedy, but stuffed if I can see how?
I cannot get the map window to show anything at all.
I am running Windows 7 64, so perhaps that's an issue, but from what i understand it should load the map from Google Earth - correct?
If so Google Earth works fine, so perhaps I've got that backward too.
I have also tried disabling the firewall, still no go.
I love the program, it addresses all the difficulties of editing POI's that I've had to date, but I would love to see it on the map window as well.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.
Thanx,
Bear
beddows Posted - 27 juil. 2010 : 05:42:51
Either horiz or vertical works & so does Lon: & lat:. Vertical looks better, but uses up more real estate, but after all its just the information we are looking for not how pretty it is. Use your discretion. . The beginning of the description field is probably better so it is guaranteed to appear on the second page.

headed out camping tommorrow afternoon for a week, so i may not respond for a week.

Paul
turboccc Posted - 26 juil. 2010 : 23:22:10
Hi beddows,

Removing them would be easy even if the number of decimal digit is not constant. No worry. I just need to make sure we agree on the "prefix". How about:

Lon: xx.xxxx
Lat: xx.xxxx

or

Lon, Lat = xx.xxxx, xx.xxxx

Where do you want them? At the beginning or the end of the description field. You seem to use the beginning which means this would be the first line of information in the description field.

Now, the interface to enable/disable insertion. It could be in the Preferences, like "Add Lon/Lat coordinates to description" with a checkbox. If checked, it will add it to the description field when saving to a file. If unchecked, it would remove them even if present in the description field. I would look at the agreed prefix to do this.

Let me know. We need to agree on something solid to make sure I do the right thing and this does not cause problems to others.

Thanks also for the good comments on the program.

Turbo
beddows Posted - 26 juil. 2010 : 16:47:17
No reason why it should not be in the description field.

I see the appearing twice issue. Adding Lon & Lat in front could solve that. If they were horizontal, it could search for a text string starting with Lon (Better even "Lon:" to make it very unlikely a real description line of text actually starts with that). If it sees that sequence of characters at the start of the Description field, it does not copy & paste. Or even use "North:" instead. (It would have to remove the minus sign in front of the West co-ordinates first).

Removing them after would be trickier if you wanted to make that an option. Only way I can think to do that, is to right-truncate them to a fixed number of decimal points before they are first inserted into the description field so they are always the same length (and co-ordinate format)and then search the records for anything starting with Lon: or North: and truncate a fixed number of characters following that heading & including the heading. They would have to be converted to text variables rather than numbers to prevent auto-truncation of trailing zeros. I am not sure if they are in a text formatted column in the excel csv file or not. I think they are, aren't they?

I am fairly adept at MS Excel & writing macros so i was thinking of accomplishing all this myself with the csv file, but I thought building the option it into your program would be great. I see tons of posts in GPS forums about how to extract co-ordinates from POI's on Garmins. I can't believe they don't build in auto-display of them. I seem to recall my ancient Garmin 2600 (which i now call the brick) did that.

If you do decide you will do this, let me know, I will remove the existing ones from the POI (Mexican RV parks)I am building, and not bother entering anymore, in anticipation. I only have a few entries with comments in them so i can simply blank the entire comments field & re-enter those I have. Send me your beta to test, you have my email.

BTW when I was having trouble getting your program to load on my laptop, I was looking for alternatives. Nothing comes even close to yours.
turboccc Posted - 26 juil. 2010 : 13:29:39
Hi beddows,

It can certainly be done. Questions:

1- Why do you want the coordinates one under the other rather than side by side? Just out of curiosity...
2- Do you really want this in the Comment field and not the Description field? The description field is normally the one that can containt more text.
3- If I make a function to do that, how are you going to manage to apply it only once and avoid having the coordinates multiple times in the description field? It would help if I could add text like "(Lon, lat)=" in front of it. This way I could search for it and replace the coordinates automatically.

Turbo
beddows Posted - 26 juil. 2010 : 04:02:17
I would like a feature where you could grab all the co-ordinates & copy & paste them into the top of the comments field, one under the other with a space between them & any comments. That way they show up on the NUVI screen. See the example below. There are a number of times I want to give someone co-ordinates of a location or punch them into Google earth. I do this manually, but it is labor intensive. Of course I can always load the POI file into your program to see them.

To extract co-ordinates from the NUVI itself, is a about a 4 step process. A real pain.

A one step button to do it to all entries in the POI file would be really nice. That way you could load existing POI's from other sources into the program & universally apply the change to them as well.



turboccc Posted - 26 juil. 2010 : 03:36:39
@THung,

Yes, I think this is a map feature. If you find anything that needs to be included in a POI file, let me know and I'll modify Extra_POI_Editor to include it.

Turbo
THung Posted - 22 juil. 2010 : 06:08:53
Hi Turboccc,
Is there any possibility to add Multiple-Entry-Point or can this be only done by the map itself.
Explanation of Multiple-Entry-Point can be found here: http://www.malsingmaps.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=19402.

Cheers
Thomas
turboccc Posted - 22 juil. 2010 : 03:08:11
Hi beddows,

Glad it worked on your Win7 laptop. I will add a note on my site to run install as admin. Thanks for the tip.

As for the donation, the PayPal button has been corrected. it should work. Otherwise my email is turboccc at hotmail dot com

TIA,

Turbo
beddows Posted - 22 juil. 2010 : 03:01:35
It's windows 7. I found I had to install using "run as an admin" otherwise it hangs up with this message: Setup bootstrap for VB setup toolkit has stopped working.

expsrv.dll & vbajet32.dll brings up an access violation message
I also get a message that an error occurred registering ieframe.dll

I just tried re-installing it, same thing happened, but now the program is running OK without the errors. Go figure. [ed]
turboccc Posted - 21 juil. 2010 : 23:22:40
Hi beddows,

Yes, I am the one. What OS do you have on your laptop? Can you also tell me which files do not install correctly in System32?
beddows Posted - 21 juil. 2010 : 22:15:59
Hi turbo, I am guessing your are the author of this program. It's great. For some reason it will not install on my laptop. 2 or 3 files will not load (or overwrite I suppose) in system32. The program loads but crashes with script & VB errors. Any suggestions. It runs great on my home PC.


turboccc Posted - 16 juil. 2010 : 19:34:33
If you have files like these:

McDo.gpx
McDo.bmp

your symbol (icon) can be in McDo.bmp. As long as it has the same file name as the poi file, the icon will be used. Obviously, you would put many POI in McDo.gpx.

With the link field, you can point to a folder. If the folder contains files like:

music.mp3
image.jpg

Those 2 files will be used in your tourguide.
Noobzter Posted - 16 juil. 2010 : 08:12:36
Hi guys ive been using Extra_POI_Editor, is there a chance to insert 3 files such us icon, jpeg and mp3 in one TourGuide for Garmin.
Thanks in advance.
turboccc Posted - 05 août 2009 : 05:42:57
I added lots of new features in my Extra_POI_Editor since v3.30. Latest version is now 3.91.

- Batch geocoding
- Multiple links to file/dir
- Line break handling
- Automatic state & postcode extraction (US & Canada) and phone numbers (all country)
- Multiple column file save to CSV
- and many more...

Latest file can be found on h**p://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor#toc5
** = tt in link above.

Have fun and post comments.
THung Posted - 02 juil. 2009 : 05:18:06
Downloaded, tested, works. No crash anymore.
Thanks a lot
turboccc Posted - 02 juil. 2009 : 03:30:30
Hi THung,

You may want to download v3.30. It should fix the crashing issue.

Still, if you enter new symbol name manually, the symbol picture will not match unless you type exactly a valid symbol name. Try to use only the combobox or the arrows.
THung Posted - 28 juin 2009 : 19:50:24
For 1: Ok, noted, not a big issue
For 2: I didn't use any custom symbols, I used the symbols which are in Extra Poi Editor.
So in my case, the last selection is ShipWreck and it shows the corresponding symbol right of it. When I click now the right arrow, Extra Poi Editor will close with the error message which i mentioned before. Same with the other error message.
For 3: I don't use Mapsource anymore for tranferring my waypoint to my Nuvi. Background: I have a Nuvi 765 (did I mention that before?) and i make use of the phone numbers to call with my mobile.
When I load the gpx file into Mapsoucre and send them to my device the phone numbers are not transferred.
So all my Waypoints are now edited by ExtraPoiEditor. Maybe a little bit more work, but for this my waypoints are showing up in the Nuvi as they should. It's worth it
turboccc Posted - 27 juin 2009 : 14:25:07
Hi THung,

1- Sorry. Too complex. I tried and failed.
2- I do not get such problems when there are custom symbols. Otherwise, you are right. I will check.
3- The categories in MapSource are not stored in the GPX file. I could probably read them from somewhere, but then any GPX file with categories you share with other would not have those categories anyways. Is this a propblem?

Turbo
THung Posted - 24 juin 2009 : 20:42:31
Hello turboccc,
I love your program and use it only to update my Waypoints.
3 things would be great if u could implement them or in case 2 fix them.
1. Unicode Support, it doesn't show in my case chinese characters
2. When I scroll to the end of the Symbollist and hit the right button once more for another symbol, the application crashes. Same when i use the keyboard to select the first Waypoint, lets say "G" for Geocache, the applicxation crashes also.
1st case: Run-Time Error 380: Invalid Property Value
2nd case: Run-Time Error 381: Invalid property Array Index
3rd and last request if possible: I have already some categories in Mapsource. Any Possibility to read them from there and make them available in Extra POI Editor? The last request is not urgent and if not possible its also not the end of the world ;)
Extra POI Editor V. 3.25 on Vista SP2 32bit

Greetings
Thomas
turboccc Posted - 24 juin 2009 : 17:11:03
Hi Suntzupa,

I am curious to see why it did not work. Feel free to email me your gpx file and I will have a look at it. Just hit the email poster button. The last released version can load at least 30000 poi. My latest internal version is nearly limitless.

Turbo
Suntzupa Posted - 24 juin 2009 : 15:49:58
quote:
Originally posted by slowjim

I have created an editor that should work with your nuvi, that is assuming that you want to edit addresses and phone numbers. The program is free and I would like a few people to try it out so that I can improve it.

You can take a look at it at http://www.slowjim.com




Hi slowjim,

Your software works like a charm. It is what I exactly needed. Thank you for making it a freeware.

I tried turboccc's Extra POI Editor software but couldn't open my 451 waypoints GPX.
stevepowers Posted - 18 mai 2009 : 20:42:15
After being away from this forum for more than a year I revisted recently and had cause to look at Phil Hornby's latest version of GeePeeEx. Wow - was I impressed!! My current project is to look at producing a Travel Guide for the UK Coast to Coast walk using Phil's software. All I'm missing is Julia Bradbury !!! (If you're UK based and seen any of the recent TV programmes you'll know what I mean!)

http://geepeeex.googlepages.com/

And for the record ... I did need to download the latest version of POI loader to ensure that I got the "MORE" button on my Nuvi 660 ... but once I did that Phil's software worked a treat !!
BobM Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 20:40:16
I downloaded the newest V2.91 (they change quick!!) and it unzips fine with my WinZip V8.0.

Thanks

Bob
turboccc Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 02:00:02
Hi Bob,

Please try again. Maybe your download got corrupted. If you still get a corrupted zip, maybe you should upgrade your Winzip. I am using Winzip v11.1. It should work.
BobM Posted - 09 mars 2009 : 01:25:09
Decided to try your program and when I downloaded V2.90, WinZip says it's NOT a valid file and cannot open it. I tried the previous version (and then the Installer to fix the missing file) and it works great.

Very nice program - Thanks!

Bob
turboccc Posted - 08 mars 2009 : 02:06:37
Sorry about that. Link is good now...
tampa8 Posted - 07 mars 2009 : 22:17:19
Page not found when clicking link for latest version...........
turboccc Posted - 07 mars 2009 : 21:25:32
Changes from v2.82 to v2.90

* Added basic find duplicate POIs under the Edit menu. Do not delete POIs ouside the Duplicates window without closing the Duplicates window first.
* Added a French version just for fun. Post feedback about it please. Not tested.
* Display distance between POI after a "Sort by Location".
* Added right click menu "Set as Current Location" which will use the highlighted POI as the current location. All distance will be to that location (no sort involved).
* Improved sort algo speed (but may require more memory) when 1000's of POI loaded.
* Added support for TomTom OV2 files of type 01.
* Corrected Replace Field fct to use units in the Preferences and convert accordingly for elevation, proximity and speed.
* Changes CRLF to in GPX file for compatibility. Not perfect depending on your gps.

Have fun!

turboccc Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 22:12:37
BAVC10,

I know this seems weird, but I tried to be accurate to what the GPS is doing. Please lond a couple POI on your GPS and let me know if you see a problem. Remember also that the font has proportional spacing and the "character count" is not relevant: you can stuff more i's than w's on a line.
BAVC10 Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 21:38:39
TuboCC

DOH! Thanks for the help - installed and works perfectly - great program.

I have noticed that the first line of the contact info address doesn't seem to display all the characters (roughly up to 23 are displayed) which are entered, whereas, the preview screen on the right seems to display roughly up to 26 characters.

You can see this effect on your version 2.60 screenshot where Lot 3116 Arnhem Highwa (no Y) is displayed.
NanaimoRick Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 17:44:57
A forum Google search of EasyGPS will result in a number of threads where people have used this software.
rocktman Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 17:32:25
Has anybody tried EasyGPS at http://www.easygps.com/ ?
turboccc Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 13:26:48
Hi BAVC10,

Read the Troubleshooting section here:

http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor#toc6

It will tell you what to do. Then, use the latest version as usual.

Turbo
BAVC10 Posted - 05 mars 2009 : 09:27:36
TurboCC

Hi - I downloaded a couple of versions yesterday and all display the following error message: Component "richt32x.ocx" or one of its dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid

Program looks great and can't wait to try it - can you help please?
Thanks

turboccc Posted - 03 mars 2009 : 22:22:26
More cool stuff in Extra_POI_Editor from previous versions to v2.70:

* Added TomTom .Ov2 POI file input and output.
* Added Google Earth .KML POI file output.
* Added Edit menu with Find (Ctrl-F) and Find Next (F3). It searches the content of the More display for all words or any word specified. The first occurrence of each word will be highlighted over a purple background in the More page. This is really cool if you are looking for more than one criteria.
* Added MapSource path to Custom symbols in Preferences to display custom Symbol in the editor.
* Added command-line switch -c1 to -c5 to load different CSV profile.
* Added 5 CSV field assignment profiles.
* Added play/stop icon in Preview window when Link field has MP3/WAV
* Added File history for last 10 files (File->Open files only)
* Added "Save" and "Save As..." menu function. Loaded file name appears in the Title Bar. This file name also used to "Save".
* Added MP3/WAV play function in POI Edit.

and much more including map display, geocoding, ... Have fun.

Turbo

Download at http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor
turboccc Posted - 31 janv. 2009 : 02:16:46
mmelly57,

Done! With Extra_POI_Editor v2.00, you can now import CSV files with up to 20 fields (columns). This is a nice way to convert to GPX files and add new fields.
turboccc Posted - 27 janv. 2009 : 04:27:52
mmelly57,

A csv file contains comma separated values. For this to work, the values should be as follow:

value 1 longitude, value 2 lattitude, value 3 poi name, value 4 address between quotes ""if contains commas

For example: -122.417886,37.780386,Civic Center,"843355 McAllister St, USA, 408-123-4567"

In Excel, you can put each value information in a column so you do not need the commas. For each POI, place the 4 column information on a row. Repeat for each POI. Then save the file as CSV. You will only see the commas if you open the .csv file in Notepad or any text editor. When you open a .CSV file in Excel, the values are automatically separated into columns.

Edit: oups! I forgot to mention that only the first 4 columns are inported correctly in my program (as any other programs using csv files)... I can make a quick modification to the program that will let you import as many column as you want. Let me know.
mmelly57 Posted - 27 janv. 2009 : 03:52:09
Hi Turbo I'm from Australia, I have downloaded your Extra POI Editor (great program). What I have is 000's poi's in csv files and I want to add address and phone number and web address to each poi.
How do I set up my excel csv file columns so that the right info goes into the right place on your editor.
Please email me direct
Thanks
Greg
Wallaroo
South Australia
mmelly57@hotmail.com
turboccc Posted - 26 sept. 2008 : 04:10:22
slowjim,

Thanks for this info.

I am also using my program differently from others. Once I have a waypoint in my Favorites, my goal is to extract it from Current.gpx (I often do c&p, but there are alternatives) and enter the info in my Extra_POI_Editor along with other useful info on the POI that I find on the web. For example, if I go to the zoo, I also add the opening hours, the prices, etc... Anything that can be useful the next time I go. Sometimes I add pictures and a sound file to make my kid laugh when we arrive at the waypoint.

Turbo
slowjim Posted - 23 sept. 2008 : 04:24:49
It is certainly difficult to find any consistant solution. I know of no way to delete individual favorites from the nuvi other than to manually delete them. I must be getting different results than you with my nuvi 660. When I edit a favorite with nuvi editor as long as I do not change the coordinates then it simply replaces the old waypoint with the new one. Of course, if you change the name then the old waypoint will still be there. The solution for me is that I may edit a couple and then if I have to go in and delete the originals then it's no big deal.

I guess I may use my editing program differently than some people might and I may have over-estimated it's utility for others whereas it is very useful to me. For example, I go to various customers all over the country. I will enter an address into my favorites and use it to route me to the location. Often, when I arrive I find the address coordinates is not exactly correct. I may use nuvi editor to adjust the coordinates, then I take the waypoint and add it to my customer category in my poi's by using merge and sort. Then I rerun garmin's poi loader for my poi directory and that's how I maintain my poi list of customers, fuel stops, company locations, and everything else.

Garmin seems to release precious little information about their devices and all nuvi's and others do not work in exactly the same way. I wish they did, then this would be easy. I just put my program out there for people to use if and if they found it useful, then they were welcome to it and if they do not then they should delete it. I will continue to learn as much as I can about it, share what I learn, and try to make my little program better.

As far as Mapsource writing Temp.gpx in the gpx folder. The name of the gpx file is absolutely irrevelant. The nuvi on power up will read any waypoints in any gpx file in the gpx directory then put them all in it's favorites. My nuvi will put all the waypoints in current.gpx and then delete any extra gpx files in that folder.

You can find much of this info at;
http://developer.garmin.com/web-device/garmin-mass-storage-mode-devices/

Take Care
www.slowjim.com


turboccc Posted - 23 sept. 2008 : 01:04:08
Thanks slowjim,

I did more tests after posting and found out what you just posted. I also changed the direction in GarminDevice.xml so Current.gpx becomes an input file for the next power-up. It goes back as an output file after that.

You still cannot delete any Favorites using that method, but you can create new ones and modify them as well. If you change a waypoint name and description, it becomes a new waypoint and the original stays there as well.

Not good enough for me.

I hope some peeps found something better to edit the waypoints in the Favorites.

Note regarding MapSource: when you create new waypoints in MapSource, it copies them back to the GPX folder in Temp.gpx. On the next power-up, Temp.gpx is integrated to the Favorites. After that, the Temp.gpx stays there but it is not used anymore.
slowjim Posted - 22 sept. 2008 : 18:51:27
Regarding POI's;
When you recreate POI's and use the POI loader to install them then the OLD POI's will be replaced with the NEW POI's. The only possible exception is if you have some POI's on your nuvi and some POI's on your SD card. As long as you have only one poi.gpi file then it will be replaced by the new poi's

Regarding Favorites;
The file current.gpx is an OUTBOUND file. It is only for reading. You can even ERASE it and you will not lose your Favorites, the nuvi will rewrite current.gpx on power up. I have found that if you edit a favorite on your computer and use either MapSource or GeePeeEX or Nuvi Editor and send the edit back to the nuvi, then as long as the edit does not change the coordinates the old waypoint will be replaced with the new. I do not know how you can access the nuvi's hidden data.

www.slowjim.com
turboccc Posted - 21 sept. 2008 : 22:25:10
I think the answer is somewhere in this thread, but after re-reading the 6 pages, I could not find it.

Is there any way to modify Current.gpx and make sure the changes stay? Even when I remove Current.gpx, it re-appears on the next power-up.

Anybody found where the backup is stored?

If you take an existing POI and change the name and description, you will still see the original POI, but also a new POI with the new name.

Pretty interesting! (in the wrong sense:( )
slowjim Posted - 03 sept. 2008 : 02:21:02
Very impressive! What you have so far looks good. My program does not at this time include the comment and desc fields. I checked your output file and it loads into MapSource just fine. I am looking forward to seeing it when you have all the features added.

I intend to add an 'import to CVS' or 'export to CVS' eventually but first I want to see if there is any interest here. It's a lot of work if no one is going to use it.

Also, your site looks good too. I just kind of put something up there so I could start distributing my little program. I intend to do a lot with my site eventually.

Good luck to you too.
http://www.slowjim.com
turboccc Posted - 03 sept. 2008 : 01:46:01
You can try mine too! LOL!

Extra_POI_editor.

http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor

Still much to be done, but on its way!
slowjim Posted - 02 sept. 2008 : 22:43:06
I have created an editor that should work with your nuvi, that is assuming that you want to edit addresses and phone numbers. The program is free and I would like a few people to try it out so that I can improve it.

You can take a look at it at http://www.slowjim.com
Alain922 Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 01:34:11
OK,
Just removed 2.5.2 and installed 2.4.2 .... re-loaded my personnal POI's and ...... same result. Note that I did not recreate the gpx file using GeePeeEx. I just re-ran POILoader 2.4.2

Then I Edited the gpx file making sure I had the same lines with only the content for the address and phone changed. (I also changed "email" to 'Phone"). I made sure that I had no special character in my text. Lastly, I removed all my other gpx files (Restaurants, Stores etc.) and only put this "test" file to ensure that no other data would make the POILoader angry. (Been in software support for a many years during my late career)... ... Same result !

I've always said when debugging ... "one should not even trust his own mother" .... I will send you a copy of the small gpx file via your "contact me".

I hope it's not something obvious (stupid) that I missed or did. But of course it could be !
Thanks again,

Alain

Alain922 Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 00:55:36
Of course I am using 2.5.2. You seem to be implying that 2.5.2 randomly generate the output file correctly !! I wouln't be surprized if it we created by some big sofware providers but .... oh perhaps it is !! hi!

I will try 2.4.2 immediately and let you know.
Thanks for the quick response.

Alain
PhilHornby Posted - 03 juin 2008 : 00:36:58
quote:
Originally posted by Alain922

I have edited the resulting GPX file, duplicated the GeePeeEx entry and made severa "minor" changes to the copy and, after transferring to the nuvi 260, my entry does not show the "More" button and the extra text.
Are you, by any chance, using POILoader V2.5.2?

Garmin made some fairly HUGE changes, omitted them from the Change Log and refuse to acknowledge them when asked directly. They also forgot to tell the Mapsource developers as well (thus breaking that too!).

POILoader V2.4.2 is still available at: http://gpsinformation.org/perry/POILoader_242.exe

A version of GeePeeEx Editor that supports POILoader 2.5.2 is currently being Beta tested and will be released shortly.

quote:
Also, the "Contact Me" link does not work on the GeePeeEx home page .... my mail bounces back.
Oops - that's not good. Time to spring-clean the Spam Trap!

You should be able to email me now.
Alain922 Posted - 02 juin 2008 : 23:02:49
Hi everyone,

There is something very mysterious that I cannot understand with my nuvi 260 and custom POIs. With the trial version of GeePeeEx, I have noticed that it produces a very nice second page on the auto-generated POI that talks about getting the "Full version". When I select this waypoint, I see the beginning of the "ads" and I get a "MORE" button displayed at the right bottom of the screen. When pressed, it briggs up a fantastic loking page with separator lines and a long paragraph, in red, describing more about the software.

All this is great and I will gladly use and recommend the use of GeePeeEx by everyone if I could only understand how to produce the same kind of output for my own WPT's.

I have edited the resulting GPX file, duplicated the GeePeeEx entry and made severa "minor" changes to the copy and, after transferring to the nuvi 260, my entry does not show the "More" button and the extra text. I cannot figure out what triggers that "MORE" option.

On other gpx POI files that I downloaded from various sources, I also obtain varying results about the "MORE" option and even the "SAVE" option that appear sometimes and not other times (independantly from one another). Very mysterious !!

Could anyone point me in the right direction ? I have read the various "GPX" format ... syntax... tags documents referred to by this forum and others but no explanation found anywhere. Also, the "Contact Me" link does not work on the GeePeeEx home page .... my mail bounces back.

Thanks in advance,

Alain
charlie-potatoes Posted - 19 mai 2008 : 18:00:20
[SNIP]

Whoops... My Bad. Here's the real link.

http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk/mac/MacGarminTools/gpx2gpi.html

Here's the other I miss posted.

http://www.topografix.com/gpx_manual.asp


Yes! I like Cake! :)

smiley1081 Posted - 19 mai 2008 : 08:58:06
quote:
Originally posted by charlie-potatoes

I've been trying to create my GPX files with this handy Manual in mind.

C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Desktop\My Garmin 250W\gpx\GPX Developer's Manual.htm

Maybe someone else here can create a good editor with this info.


Well, now we only need your address, so that we can visit you, bring a cake, and access your HD...
iceman2k4 Posted - 19 mai 2008 : 06:45:03
I found a great editor for GPX files. The program I use is GeePeeEx Editor.You can Google it and try the trial version which will do 5 POI.
charlie-potatoes Posted - 13 mai 2008 : 20:11:34
I've been trying to create my GPX files with this handy Manual in mind.

C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Desktop\My Garmin 250W\gpx\GPX Developer's Manual.htm

Maybe someone else here can create a good editor with this info.
charlie-potatoes Posted - 13 mai 2008 : 15:55:28
OOPS! I almost forgot! You need to save the GPX file with UTF-8 encoding. If you do not do this the NUVI will erase your GPX and recover a previous "good copy". NotePad is good for this. Once you've created your file and saved it simply reload it with NotePad and resave it with the UTF-8 encoding. I learned this trick the hard way after I lost a GPX file that took more than a few hours to edit.
NanaimoRick Posted - 12 mai 2008 : 22:40:50
Now that's an impressive first post!

Thanks for sharing.
charlie-potatoes Posted - 12 mai 2008 : 21:56:58
Point information
After the metadata information comes the list of waypoints. The absolute minimum you can specify about a point is this:

<wpt lat ="44.39874" lon ="2.730013">
<name>Eddie's House</name>
</wpt>
The absolute most you can specify is this: an unrealistic, but fully specified example of waypoint information. It has every element that the application can understand.

<wpt lat ="44.39874" lon ="2.730013">
<ele>0</ele>
<name>Eddie's House</name>
<cmt>Snooker !</cmt>
<desc>Light green, about half way down the street.</desc>
<link href="filename.ext"/>
<extensions>
<gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<gpxx:Proximity SpeedLimit="13.91">1000</gpxx:Proximity>
<gpxx:Categories>
<gpxx:Category>Friend;Near home</gpxx:Category>
</gpxx:Categories>
<gpxx:Address>
<gpxx:StreetAddress>14 Short Street</gpxx:StreetAddress>
<gpxx:City>Finecaster</gpxx:City>
<gpxx:State>Rorkshire</gpxx:State>
<gpxx:Country>England</gpxx:Country>
<gpxx:PostalCode>RK4 4AW</gpxx:PostalCode>
</gpxx:Address>
<gpxx:PhoneNumber Category="Phone">+44 1245 123456</gpxx:PhoneNumber>
<gpxx:PhoneNumber Category="Phone2">123-4568</gpxx:PhoneNumber>
<gpxx:PhoneNumber Category="Fax">611-1635</gpxx:PhoneNumber>
<gpxx:PhoneNumber Category="Email">eddie@example.com</gpxx:PhoneNumber>
</gpxx:WaypointExtension>
</extensions>
</wpt>
It's unlikely that you'd ever need to take advantage of all these elements in any one point. And if you don't care whether the unit understands the information you could put it all in as text. There are advantages to using the correct elements, however: see the notes on the phone number for an example.

Elevation
<ele></ele>
Earth is not flat! Could be useful if the bar/hangout your looking for is on a second floor or in a basement. (Why am I picking up chicks at a flower shop?)

Comment
Some data-providers to use this field for long pieces of text. Many units limit the display of this field to a certain number of characters (I've seen 128 and 100) or a certain number of lines of the display (I've seen one and four lines of a 16 character display). It's probably better to use the Description field if your text is long.

Description
There don't seem to be many limits to how many characters you can fit in this field. Garmin units which display it at all can display many paragraphs of text here. Some XML-style markup items work in some units, especially Garmin nüvi units. The following tags seem to work:

<br> for a linebreak
<hr> for a horizontal rule
<b>text</b> for bold
<u>text</u> for underline
<font size=-2>text</font> for relative font size changes (small negative and positive numbers seem to work.)
<indent>text</indent> throws a linebreak, then a blank line, then indents the included text
<indent break=no>text</indent> throws a linebreak, then indents the included text
Using these tags together you can make some quite professional-looking text, with headings and lists. Other tags may work but the above are all the ones I have examples of. If you want some examples of markup that works, look at the .gml files in the /Garmin/Help directory.

gpxx:Proximity
The '<gpxx:Proximity>' element is used to set up the unit's alert capabilities. Most Garmin units have the ability to set a proximity alert: when you get closer than a certain distance to the point, the unit will beep, or flash a message on the display or something like that. nüvi units can also handle a speed alert: you add a SpeedLimit attribute to the Proximity element and the unit will beep only if you exceed that speed within that distance of the point. The units for the proximity value are metres. The units for the 'SpeedLimit' are meters per second. My use of the 'SpeedLimit' attribute for this purpose is not a standard part of the GPX definition. It will change if I find a better way to define the alert limits.

gpxx:Categories
There are three problems involved in taking category information from a GPX file to a Garmin receiver:

GPX allows a point not to be in any category. Garmin units don't.
GPX allows a point to be classified as in many categories. Garmin units don't.
GPX has no concept of 'subcategory'. Garmin units do.
The first two problems are handled by the program as best it can. The third is handled by treating semicolons in category names as a splitter between category and subcategory: 'Food' would not be assigned a subcategory, 'Food;Chinese' would.

Warning: at the time of writing (March 2007) there appears to be a serious bug in the firmware in Garmin's units where it deals with subcategories. The points work correctly on maps and as alerts but they're shown in the wrong places in the category hierarchy menu. If you want your points to look neat in the menu, don't assign any subcategories.

gpxx:PhoneNumber
If a Category attribute is not supplied for a contact detail, 'Phone' is assumed. This 'Phone' category of PhoneNumber makes any Garmin unit twinned to a BlueTooth phone show a 'dial' button on the display which lets you make the phone dial that number by pressing the button. Although you can also enter other details (phone2, fax and email) the unit just displays them; it won't let you dial them.

tjausti Posted - 01 janv. 2008 : 23:28:13
Here is an application I wrote to Create new GPX files. I am working on a GPX File Editor but it is not done yet.

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=104225

let me know what you think.

Thanks
Thomas
andye Posted - 04 déc. 2007 : 01:45:51
A good xml (and code writing) editor:

http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html

Be sure to get the extensions. Load a gpx file, go to Language, select XML. It does context highlighting, displays elements and especially errors in different colors. Global search and replace (insert or remove sections), expand and collapse sections for ease of reading.

Windows or Linux.

Andy
PhilHornby Posted - 11 nov. 2007 : 22:53:25
quote:
Originally posted by CaseyGuy

I've followed previous advice in this Forum to use <br>, CHAR(10), and now & lt ; br & gt ; (without spaces) as line breaks. Not only do the lines not break, the "line break commands" show up as text in the POI's description.

The advice 'GPSrob' gave pertained to the Nüvi 3xx series which displays POI's in a different fashion to your Nüvi 2xx. The Nüvi 2xx has a second display page, where you can use Garmin's 'gml' markup language, but you can't access that page from .csv input - only .gpx. (That's actually a simplification, but largely correct ;-)

What's actually happening, is that POI Loader is taking the column 4 data and targeting the 'description' field, which normally appears on Page 2 on your unit. But, because the 'real' address fields are missing, the Nüvi decides to display the data on Page 1 instead. It doesn't do the 'gml' rendering on Page 1.

I believe you can do some jiggery-pokery with csv data to format it better, but it's not something I've studied - I switched to .gpx format on day 2!

CaseyGuy Posted - 11 nov. 2007 : 19:55:28

Originally posted by GPSrob: [the line-break commmand] is basically this, but without any spaces:
& lt ; br & gt ;

PhilHornby replied: You're probably supposed to use a "<![CDATA[...]]>" construct, but Garmin's XML parser doesn't understand it. They seem to have written their own :-(

================================

I don't know enough about programming to understand this. But you guys sound like you know what you're taking about. I hope you can help me figure out how to do line breaks. I want to put line breaks in my POIs' Description field in csv files, so that addresses appear like this onscreen:

Address
CityStateZIP
Phone

I know how to create the necessary fields, but I can't get the lines to break cleanly and without extraneous characters. I've followed previous advice in this Forum to use <br>, CHAR(10), and now & lt ; br & gt ; (without spaces) as line breaks. Not only do the lines not break, the "line break commands" show up as text in the POI's description.

The POI Loader help file says line breaks can be done by putting the whole Description in quotes, using Return (I guess) to insert your line breaks. That hasn't worked in csv, nor in Notepad; Excel sees Return as indicating a new record. I haven't been able to use Alt-Return either, but I really don't want to; I'm creating hundreds of POIs, and can't do that manually for each record.

TIA. I've seen this issue discussed on this Forum since 2005, but I haven't seen a definitive answer.

Using Nuvi 250W and POI Loader, with latest software available for both: v2.60 for the Nuvi 250W (v3.x is incompatible with the 250W) and POI Loader v2.4.2.0

PhilHornby Posted - 21 mai 2007 : 10:35:13
quote:
Originally posted by GPSrob...it's basically this without any spaces:
& lt ; br & gt ;

You're probably supposed to use a "<![CDATA[...]]>" construct, but Garmin's XML parser doesn't understand it. They seem to have written their own :-(

quote:
I believe that using this with other HTML tags (colors, size, etc) may allow you to format your comments as well.
Correct.
GPSrob Posted - 21 mai 2007 : 10:19:42
note: cross posted to the GPX editor and POI threads from the FAQ...

Just wanted to follow up re: line breaks in POI fields. The <br> was mentioned a while back but since I'm editing the GPX xml file directly that wouldn't work (it was seen as an xml tag w/o proper closing). The same principal applies but you have to use the symbol notation instead of actual < or > symbols for some reason. I can't get the thing to show correctly when typed in the forum editor, but it's basically this without any spaces:
& lt ; br & gt ;


I believe that using this with other HTML tags (colors, size, etc) may allow you to format your comments as well.

Special thanks to the guy that suggested using XML Marker. It works great. I wish the Garmin-specific extensions were usable in the table format but it works great regardless.


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[EDIT]
-------------------
Proper credit for this (re)discovery goes to PhilHornby and his GeePeeEx .gpx editor ( http://geepeeex.googlepages.com/ ). A review of the XML his program produced helped me get my POIs the way I wanted them.

PS - POI Loader does actually look in subdirectories, but it's not recursive and is only one layer deep per my experiments...
gpspassion Posted - 08 avr. 2007 : 13:44:26
Reviving this topic after finding a nice graphical GPX editor that lets you trim a track by cutting off unneeded parts at the front and the end, it's www.everytrail.com . As with all Google Maps mashups it tends to get a bit slow when you have a lot of data points, but with some patience it works well.
Joop Haak Posted - 05 déc. 2006 : 15:24:59
Referring to my last question (11/22/2006 : 16:03:40) and Rellik: to enter POI's with callable telephone numbers, just edit current.gpx according to the above mentioned format. Be careful, but it works. I use XML Marker for this delicate job.
By the way, to find coordinates for addresses using Google's geoconverter, go to http://home.hccnet.nl/joop.haak/addressconversion.html
Good luck
apersson850 Posted - 05 déc. 2006 : 15:17:39
No, they are fixed with the map data.
longtimewolf Posted - 05 déc. 2006 : 15:10:33
Is there a way to edit the POI's that come with the 660? Can I get to the file?
GPSrapp Posted - 22 nov. 2006 : 19:12:32
PoiLoader does not provide for defined data segments or extensions, other than for alerts and tour guide and links, symbols, and of course L&L and name. Addresses and phone numbers are just part of a comment data field (cmt) and have no specific meaning to nuvi. That's probably due to PoiLoader having been devised prior to Bluetooth models, and it hasn't been updated to include phone numbers, as far as I know.

rapp
Joop Haak Posted - 22 nov. 2006 : 16:03:40
The 310, 360 and 660 have a BlueTooth connection for handsfree calling. May be that could be the difference. Entering address and telephone information as described in the fora is just data. When trying to call, nüvi says someting like "No correspondancies found" (my translation of the dutch text). Also in other addresses like in shopping or restaurants, the phone number is shown seperate from the address data with a phone icon next to it.
POI loading the example above seems to ignore all data in teh extensions.
danham Posted - 22 nov. 2006 : 15:15:20
I have added lots of phone numbers to my favorites using the methods described in this forum, so I'm puzzled by your problem. I doubt the 660 behaves differently than my 350 in that regard.

But are you saying that they can be entered but not dialed? If so I have to defer to people who are using that feature.

-dan
Joop Haak Posted - 22 nov. 2006 : 12:18:17
Both you and "Danham" suggested to look in other threads, but I could not find anything like an answer. On the contrary, I found "Rellik" who put the question in thread 59352 two times (09/27/2006 and 11/01/2006), both times without answers. I even tried to take the current.gpx from my nüvi (with recognisable phone numbers in it) and added it to my own POI's throug POI loader. But none of the extensions were loaded.

By the way, with th excellent XLM Marker, I could see in current.gpx that a waypoint was coded as:
<wpt lat ="52.0..." lon ="4.8...">
<name>Thuis</name>
<sym>Residence</sym>
<extensions>
<gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<gpxx:Address>
<gpxx:StreetAddress>Straatnaam</gpxx:StreetAddress>
<gpxx:City>Plaats</gpxx:City>
<gpxx:State>Utrecht</gpxx:State>
<gpxx:PostalCode>9876</gpxx:PostalCode>
</gpxx:Address>
<gpxx:PhoneNumber>+31348919191</gpxx:PhoneNumber>
</gpxx:WaypointExtension>
</extensions>
</wpt>
So "Rellik"'s and my question remain unanswered.

NanaimoRick Posted - 21 nov. 2006 : 16:13:03
Searching the forum for "phone number+660" would have got you this thread which I think will answer your question:

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59352

You may need to read through a few pages but around page 5 there are some good examples.
Joop Haak Posted - 21 nov. 2006 : 13:47:36
Does anybody know how I can add a phonenumber in my gpx file. My nüvi 660 can be used as a handsfree through a BlueTooth connection to my mobile, but I don't succeed in getting phonenumbers into my waypoints in such a way that I actually can use them for calling handsfree.
Or is there anyhow a complete format description Garmin uses for the nüvi machines.
bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 19:26:54
quote:
Originally posted by GPSrapp

Bruce

Answers: The new editor is nice, probably the best so far.

Yes, I find that Nuvi resorts Favorites even when edited directly.

Also I find that depending upon what the edit/change is, Nuvi will duplicate rather than replace a POI even when edited directly. Added a cmt, replaced. Add a LF (via CR), duplicate. Go figure!!!!

BTW then LF shows up in the new editor with the little square, and although added via CR (Enter), it is inserted as a LF 0A, just like MS.

I now have an abundance of XML editors ... will be deleting the others and keeping this new one. Thanks.

rapp




Rapp, this is great information, thanks for helping turn unknowns into knowns. It seems my personal quest for a satisfactory nüvi GPX editor is complete with XML Marker. Now, it's just a matter of settling into a nüvi managment routine that fits my needs. This has been a blast; one of the best forums I've ever been involved with, one of the best toys I've ever owned, and what a great group of people to collaborate with.

THANKS GUYS!

NanaimoRick Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 19:12:50
Thanks Bruce, nice to get those kind words concerning our efforts here.

Don't think your comments were ornery at all. It's just that I find it just as fast to edit a copy of my current.gpx file instead of the original. Since I have to have the Nuvi attached to the PC via USB to edit the file I drag it to the desktop(copy) and then drag the new one back to the nuvi). Works for me but anyway your comfortable with is fine as well. Certainly not running for election as the chief of the 'backup police'.
GPSrapp Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 18:44:29
Bruce

Answers: The new editor is nice, probably the best so far.

Yes, I find that Nuvi resorts Favorites even when edited directly.

Also I find that depending upon what the edit/change is, Nuvi will duplicate rather than replace a POI even when edited directly. Added a cmt, replaced. Add a LF (via CR), duplicate. Go figure!!!!

BTW then LF shows up in the new editor with the little square, and although added via CR (Enter), it is inserted as a LF 0A, just like MS.

I now have an abundance of XML editors ... will be deleting the others and keeping this new one. Thanks.

rapp
danham Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 18:13:24
We have a saying in my newsroom, which is, "Never bother to back up whatever you think would be easy to re-create, from scratch, from memory, on deadline." [grin]

Kidding aside, thanks for the kind words and best wishes for continued data integrity.

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 18:08:21
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

And in general its not a very good idea to be editting your source file at the best of times. Making a copy and playing with it is just as fast and a lot safer.



I hope I don't sound ornery with you Rick, but I must say, I find it mighty convenient for quick edits like changing a phone number or tweaking lat lon. I just double click on the \Garmin\gpx\current.gpx file, change the numbers, click save, I'm done. Every so often I drag a copy of current.gpx to my desktop and my PC gets backed up to network attached storage every night. All that aside, kudos to you and Dan for responsibly seeking balance by recommending safe, reliable practices without throwing a wet blanket on the benefits of discovery and experimentation. I believe this would not be the outstanding forum it is without you guys there to keep it safe, constructive, and moving forward -- all at the same time

bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 17:14:08
quote:
Originally posted by GPSrapp

Bruce

If my my observations have been correct, Nuvi edits and rewrites the .gpx with each bootup. It removes extensions from each POI, which are all the same anyway, and uses one set of extensions placed at the beginning of the file. That's mostly why often the file you edit externally and then write to the Nuvi may be 3 times larger than the file you find on the Nuvi after you shut down and reboot it.

BTW, the square character in MapSource is a LF 0A. Cutting and pasting it where wanted, as posted previously in another thread by cfw, works very well for a quick and easy job when you are working in MS.

Thanks for the new link. Will be grabbing that today and giving it a run.

rapp




Good point rapp! I think we traded comments about that in an earlier post; that it seems the nüvi ignores anything it doesn't like and I think you pointed out that it also alphabetizes the waypoints if they are not in order. I found the post and the last thought was that "it needed further experimentation."

Here's my question: Is your nüvi "cleaning up and alphebetizing" when you directly edit the current.gpx file in the \Garmin\gpx folder or is it just when you drop an externally edited file in the Waypoints folder and the nüvi "imports" it?

And I'd be curious what you think of that new editor.

bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 16:59:10
quote:
Originally posted by danham

Bruce:

One caution note: editing your gpx file "live" on your nuvi is probably OK, but also risky. Having the file open for writing over a USB connection means that if anything interrupts the connection, at best the file gets garbled (no huge deal) but at worst means the nuvi directory itself gets hosed.

Those interruptions can be the computer going into sleep mode, the power failing, a power surge, the editor program doing a background save or crashing, etc. A hosed directory means a trip back to Garmin if you have no backup, or at least an hour of file transfer if you do, after re-formatting.

-dan



Yes I agree with you. In an early post I mentioned that I keep backups and that Garmin would probably cringe if they heard about this approach although it's working great for me. Certainly I would not recommend anyone doing it this way unless they keep backups and are mindful of the potential problems, should things go wrong, versus the convenience when things go right. I also recommend all nüvi users back up their entire Garmin folder and keep regular backups of their current.gpx file, regardless if or how they are making modifications to their waypoints.


GPSrapp Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 16:37:54
Bruce

If my my observations have been correct, Nuvi edits and rewrites the .gpx with each bootup. It removes extensions from each POI, which are all the same anyway, and uses one set of extensions placed at the beginning of the file. That's mostly why often the file you edit externally and then write to the Nuvi may be 3 times larger than the file you find on the Nuvi after you shut down and reboot it.

BTW, the square character in MapSource is a LF 0A. Cutting and pasting it where wanted, as posted previously in another thread by cfw, works very well for a quick and easy job when you are working in MS.

Thanks for the new link. Will be grabbing that today and giving it a run.

rapp
NanaimoRick Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 16:15:23
And in general its not a very good idea to be editting your source file at the best of times. Making a copy and playing with it is just as fast and a lot safer.
danham Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 14:30:18
Bruce:

One caution note: editing your gpx file "live" on your nuvi is probably OK, but also risky. Having the file open for writing over a USB connection means that if anything interrupts the connection, at best the file gets garbled (no huge deal) but at worst means the nuvi directory itself gets hosed.

Those interruptions can be the computer going into sleep mode, the power failing, a power surge, the editor program doing a background save or crashing, etc. A hosed directory means a trip back to Garmin if you have no backup, or at least an hour of file transfer if you do, after re-formatting.

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 05:49:08
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Thanks for the tip, google found it and it has its own page http://www.geocities.com/ugoltsev/XmlWin/index.html ;-)

Added this topic to the FAQ.



OK guys - I found an XML editor even nicer than this one and it's freeware. It provides both the markup view (like XmlEditor) and a table view for sorting on a column (like Mapsource). Unlike Mapsource and EasyGPS, it doesn't add any non-nüvi extensions so I can edit my GPX file directly on the nüvi with it

http://symbolclick.com/


bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 04:48:54

OK, same version, same problem. Yes, the little squares can be copied and pasted but this is clearly an incompatibility issue until the software gets fixed, hopefully through an update release. Anyway, thanks for checking this on your setup.

E39-NUVI Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 04:17:51
The MapSource version is the same one that they have on the web page, 6.11.3, so the behaviour is the same.
Some one discovered that you can cut the "square" from an existing waypoint/po1 and paste it into your new waypoints
bruceb123 Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 03:25:37
I'd be interested if you encounter the same nüvi GPX incompatibility problem I am experiencing with the current version of Mapsource, which I downloaded from the Garmin website today. The carriage returns that the nüvi uses to start a new address line and start the phone number line are not compatible with Mapsource (see photo)



Those little squares are the carriage returns. Mapsource cannot create them but it can easily delete them.

Has anybody found a workaround, besides using a different editor?

E39-NUVI Posted - 20 sept. 2006 : 01:56:36
Just received my v8 DVD and installed it without problems.
Now it's time to play with it
danham Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 19:29:27
I had already registered as part of the return/repair process back in April, so I'm not a good test case for that.

When I go to unlock it will be interesting to see if it grants me a freebie -- my registration is (IIRC) one day after the release date for v8, which should be in the freebie zone.

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 19:23:20
quote:
Originally posted by danham

Same here. It displays a very crude basemap and as soon as I ask for additional detail it pops up and asks for my Roads & Trips or Topo CD, as appropriate -- note that I have not yet gotten my City Nav v8 DVD (fingers crossed near the mailbox today).

-dan



I'm supposed to get mine pretty soon too. Did they require you to register your nüvi before they agreed to send it?

GPSrapp Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 18:56:07
Thank you both. Light has dawned upon me!
danham Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 18:02:02
Same here. It displays a very crude basemap and as soon as I ask for additional detail it pops up and asks for my Roads & Trips or Topo CD, as appropriate -- note that I have not yet gotten my City Nav v8 DVD (fingers crossed near the mailbox today).

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 17:54:22
I should clarify; my "bare bones" install of Mapsource, is not without a map. I still get what I think everyone refers to as "the basemap" and my waypoints are displayed in the proper position on the basemap. What's missing is the street level detail and information, POI information and so forth that you get with the full DVD install.

bruceb123 Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 17:34:14
quote:
Originally posted by GPSrapp

Thanks Bruce. But what's the purpose of being able to run MapSource without maps? (Sorry to sound inane ... Nuvi is my first venture into GPS!)

rapp




I think Dan did a great job of answering your question. My interest in Mapsource is limited to it's GPX file editing and simple waypoint managment capabilities. I don't need it's map integration. I'd much rather use Google Earth. It seems Garmin will not allow the current version to be installed without map integration, which requires a lot of hard drive space and unlocking and activation. The benefit is that I can do everything I want with it and it only takes up about 20 MB of disk space instead of consuming Gigabytes of space. I don't need to unlock or activate anything, and it's easily transportable from one computer to another just by copying the \Garmin folder and merging the .reg file rather than running a big install and allowing the installation routine to spew files all over my hard drive and clutter up the registry.

I suppose it's mostly a control thing.

danham Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 17:02:44
Bruce will probably have a better answer re: POIs, but I use it to manage my nuvi's unlock codes, upload and download maps, waypoints, routes and tracks from my GPS III+ and also plan routes and do other map tasks.

So, you may be asking, what does that have to do with "no maps." The answer is that it can (or used to be able to) do all that without installing the maps on my HD. It would call for a disk when I selected a function or view that required detail or a map file, but was not taking up what used to be scarce space on my computer.

-dan
GPSrapp Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 16:50:52
Thanks Bruce. But what's the purpose of being able to run MapSource without maps? (Sorry to sound inane ... Nuvi is my first venture into GPS!)

rapp
bruceb123 Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 05:07:01
Your warning is totally appropriate Dan, I should have thought of that myself. Thanks.

danham Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 03:33:25
Thanks for the very useful hack, I mean "workaround" [grin].

Hope you don't mind the warning I added.

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 19 sept. 2006 : 02:53:33
quote:
Originally posted by danham

I have at various times had the MapSource program running on two or even three computers at once, none of which had the maps installed. I was prompted to insert CDs for many functions.

BUT . . .

That was because I own a VERY old (1999) version of MapSource that came with my Garmin US Topo maps and once you have that installed, all you have to do to install the latest 2006 version is download the free update from Garmin's web site. It will not install unless a previous version is detected on your PC.

If as you say and others have reported (but not confirmed yet) the program will not install without the maps and an unlock code (I needed none, ever), then it might be a smart move to obtain a copy of the old version on eBay or elsewhere and upgrade it for free.

I know this still works because I was able to install the old version on my new MacBook (running XP) from the original CDs and then update it online. I did opt to install some of the Topo maps in this case, but it was an option, not requirement.

-dan



OK, I figured out how to make the current free download of Mapsource work without maps or keys. I installed an old version of Metroguide on my test computer, exported the [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin] key from the registry and copied the contents of the c:\garmin folder to my target computer and merged the exported key into the registry. Once that was done I downloaded the current Mapsource "upgrade" from the Garmin website and the install ran clean. Works great.

.REG FILE FOLLOWS:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\4.00]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\MetroGuide USA]
"ID"=hex:04,00
"MDR"="C:\\Garmin\\MetroGuideUSA_mdr.img"
"IDX"="C:\\Garmin\\MetroGuideUSA.mdx"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\MetroGuide USA\1]
"Bmap"="C:\\Garmin\\MetroGuideUSA.img"
"Tdb"="C:\\Garmin\\MetroGuideUSA.tdb"
"Loc"="C:\\Garmin\\MGUSA"
"Partial Install"=hex:01
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products]
"InstallDir"="C:\\Garmin"
"Language"="English"
"Folder"="MapSource"

(** just a quick warning/disclaimer from the moderators: editing your registry file can turn your Windows PC into an expensive paperweight - proceed with caution unless you know what you're doing **)


bruceb123 Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 21:46:30
That's good information Dan. In that case my question needs rephrasing:

Using the current version has anyone been able to get JUST the Mapsource program installed and running on a PC without going through the normal Mapsource installation routine from the distribution DVD?

danham Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 21:32:52
I have at various times had the MapSource program running on two or even three computers at once, none of which had the maps installed. I was prompted to insert CDs for many functions.

BUT . . .

That was because I own a VERY old (1999) version of MapSource that came with my Garmin US Topo maps and once you have that installed, all you have to do to install the latest 2006 version is download the free update from Garmin's web site. It will not install unless a previous version is detected on your PC.

If as you say and others have reported (but not confirmed yet) the program will not install without the maps and an unlock code (I needed none, ever), then it might be a smart move to obtain a copy of the old version on eBay or elsewhere and upgrade it for free.

I know this still works because I was able to install the old version on my new MacBook (running XP) from the original CDs and then update it online. I did opt to install some of the Topo maps in this case, but it was an option, not requirement.

-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 21:09:16
I've actually spoke with Garmin about that and I was told that the Mapsource editor will not run without the entire package installed, an undesirable requirement that I pointed out in one of the first posts on this topic. Whether true or not, that's what I was told, and he was quite insistent about it when I asked if he was certain of it. If what I am being told by Garmin is true, I totally agree with the notion that a version of the Mapsource waypoint editor (that doesn't depend on the Mapsource environment) be developed and made readily available, at least to registered owners.

This makes me curious; has anyone been able to get JUST the Mapsource program installed and running on a PC without going through the normal Mapsource installation routine from the distribution DVD?


danham Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 20:10:40
Bruce, I think Mike meant the MapSource program, which is not a big download, as opposed to the maps, which of course are.


-dan
bruceb123 Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 19:37:21
That would be a mighty download
MikeE Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 02:31:43
Yes, correct, including your are not "normal" with 7 GPS units. It would be nice if Garmin provided MapSource as a free download since it is included anyway with DVD map purchases.

Mike
apersson850 Posted - 18 sept. 2006 : 00:05:04
Yes, you can use Mapsource. But since these units have pre-loaded maps, not every user has Mapsource.
I have seven Garmin GPS units, so I have Mapsource for other units than the c550, but I'm probably not normal...
MikeE Posted - 17 sept. 2006 : 23:54:41
It may be that XML editors are too far above my capabilities without some self learning but can't MapSource be used to edit the POIs.

Mike
GPSrapp Posted - 14 sept. 2006 : 17:44:49
Thanks for the info swing.

Well apparently they also do it for the Nuvi. Trash Can/Recycle Bin is the same concept, except that with those you have the option to clean them out permanently and irretrievably.

Making a backup would also be a safety device, which is what Garmin recommended prior to updating software, until recently. Somehow I have difficulty believing that the inability to use the "easy way to delete all of your Favorites" came about puposely ... seems like something that just sort of came about, rather than something that was really thought about. But that might be just my suspicious nature.

It's just an oddity ... not that all important anyway. Makes editing a little more involved than otherwise, but certainly no big deal.

rapp


swing Posted - 14 sept. 2006 : 09:30:51
quote:
Originally posted by GPSrapp

Anyway, if you delete the current.gpx file, when the Nuvi boots up again, it's right back there with all the waypoints.
Garmin have stated that this is a particular feature they have purposefully added to the units:

"an easy way to delete all of your Favorites would be to put the device in Mass-Storage Mode and delete the "current.gpx" file in the device's "gpx" folder. But, as a safety measure, Garmin has made sure that you do not accidentally delete all of your Favorites this way. The only way to delete your waypoints on the StreetPilot c5xx devices is to delete them one by one in the unit itself."
Planet GPS Posted - 07 sept. 2006 : 01:37:27
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion
http://www.geocities.com/ugoltsev/XmlWin/index.html ;-)

Nice find
bruceb123 Posted - 05 sept. 2006 : 00:11:28
quote:
Originally posted by gpspassion

Thanks for the tip, google found it and it has its own page http://www.geocities.com/ugoltsev/XmlWin/index.html ;-)

Added this topic to the FAQ.



There you go. That's the one. Thanks for finding it!
bruceb123 Posted - 05 sept. 2006 : 00:07:08
Yes, I've observed identical behavior on mine. And yes, Wordpad seemed to work well for me also. The color presentation of the XML tags is the nice bonus with XmlEditor and has spoiled me. Thanks for the tip regarding the automatic alphabetical order! Hmmmm - that suggests the possibility that the nüvi parses the current.gpx file on each boot and then overwrites it again... which further suggests that no matter how much extraneous garbage is added into the file (thinking of EasyGPS) that the nüvi just says "who cares" and as long as it's acceptably close to the proper format it ignores the junk and then saves the good stuff in it's clean, simple, native nüvi format. Sounds worthy of experimentation...
GPSrapp Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 21:22:25
Yes, I have observed same things.

And the deleted waypoint still shows up, and is written back into the visible .gpx file as well. Very strange, in a weird sort of way, to say the least!

I thought perhaps that editor used some coding to delete that was inherited by the underlying app, or something.

Have found if you try to duplicate a waypoint name, even if it has a different coord, it ignores it. Also, no matter where I put a new waypoint in the file, it alphabetizes it to proper position. Been using WordPad, which seems to work simply enough. But have not found that simple "data base" column/row format you have been looking for.

Anyway, if you delete the current.gpx file, when the Nuvi boots up again, it's right back there with all the waypoints. I think that except for the mapping software, all the rest of the "USB device" visible files are mirrored underneath in the bowels of the Nuvi. Intriguingly mysterious.

rapp

gpspassion Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 21:22:03
Thanks for the tip, google found it and it has its own page http://www.geocities.com/ugoltsev/XmlWin/index.html ;-)

Added this topic to the FAQ.
bruceb123 Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 20:55:04
Here's the behavior I've observed when the nüvi boots up after unplugging from the USB:

If waypoint name not changed, revisions show up in nüvi
If waypoint name changed, original and revised (both) show up in nüvi
If waypoint deleted, waypoint still shows up in nüvi

It seems the nüvi mirrors the waypoints, one set you can edit via the GPX file and one set you cannot edit except on the nüvi. It acts as though the GPX waypoints take priority on edits and appended waypoints and the mirrored waypoints take priority on existing waypoint name and deletions.

Short answer; no, but I have not found it inconvenient to delete on the nüvi.
GPSrapp Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 19:05:16
bruce

Using that editor, are you able to delete an unwanted waypoint in the editor and not have to delete it directly on the Nuvi?

rapp
bruceb123 Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 17:10:57
Yes, that is a very nice XML editor, especially for the price!

So far, my favorite (for the nüvi) is XmlEditor Version 1.41 by Pavel Ugoltsev. It's freeware (I think I found it on Softpedia). It's only 500KB and it doesn't need the .NET Framework environment or require any installation, you just download the zip and it contains the ready to run executable. Another thing I like about it; if you load and then save the Garmin current.gpx file as another name, and do a binary or CRC compare on the two files, they match.

All the other XML editors I've tried, (including Microsoft XML Notepad) change the file structure when you save the file so you will definitely have problems if you edit and save the current.gpx file right on the nüvi.

To avoid any problems with the other editors I had to:

1) copy the current.gpx file to my PC
2) delete all my waypoints from the nüvi
3) edit the current.gpx copy
4) copy the edited current.gpx copy to the Garmin\waypoints folder
5) reboot the the nüvi so it could parse the file back to it's native GPX format again.

With XmlEditor I directly edit and save the GPX file on my nüvi, which is much more convenient. I also established a Windows file association for GPX and XmlEditor so I simply plug my nüvi into USB, click on the current.gpx file, edit and save. If I add a new waypoint I just make sure I maintain the same waypoint structure and alphabetical order that's in the native file.

I've had my nüvi for about three weeks now and so far haven't had any problems doing it this way, although I keep backup copies of my GPX files just in case.

No doubt Garmin Tech Support would cringe if they heard about this.
AndreTheGeek Posted - 04 sept. 2006 : 16:34:09
Microsoft is giving out a nice editor - XML Notepad 2006.
It can be had here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=72d6aa49-787d-4118-ba5f-4f30fe913628&DisplayLang=en
bruceb123 Posted - 01 sept. 2006 : 18:43:42
Thanks, but as I mentioned in the original post, I'm looking for a row and column presentation of the data that supports sorts and multi-editing. For editing XML documents, XmlEditor meets my needs and it's free.
z.entropic Posted - 01 sept. 2006 : 18:20:29
For those in the know, vi is a great text editor for xml files.

z.entropic

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