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gpspassion Posted - 05 juin 2006 : 19:55:06
UPDATED 20061001 - firmware - new gps testing , R6

WINTEC WBT-100/200 - Bluetooth, USB and Datalogger GPS - REVIEW


Can'get much smaller than that, can it ?


Compared to the Holux GR-236 and to the Globalsat BT-338


News item on the portal
The Wintec WBT-200 had been in development since last year and is now becoming available in the USA Semsons. A forum member had pointed it out to me last year but I had not been able to obtain a test model at the time. With Semsons now carrying it, that became possible and they sent me a WBT-100 test unit in May, the WBT-100 is the WBT-200 with a built-in compass, but it is not integrated very usefully in the unit yet (only blinks fast when facing North) and requires a connection to a PC for actual readings that don't appear to be accurate.

20061001 : new R6 firmware and new tools, details >> here <<
20060722 : new R4 firmware and new tools, details >> here <<
    Here are my observations and measurements :
  1. Form factor: the WBT is indeed very small, it feel like a small "pebble" and has a nice rubbery feel to it, one of the best designs I've seen

  2. GPS Performance :
    1. Fastrax/uNav chipset : I was curious to its performance as it uses a Fastrax chipset, which is a variation of the uNav chipset that did not perform very well on the Emtac S3 GPS in the chipset review last year.
    2. Good TTFF and Guidance : It had no trouble getting a fix with the standard 45/50 seconds in a good environment for a cold reset and providing some good guidance in the small streets of Paris connected to a JasJar running iGo 2006
    3. Sensitivity : with its logger feature, it was important for it to have good sensitivity and it disappoints a bit in that area, not reaching the level of a SiRFstarIII unit or of the Nemerix v4 based GPS as seen in the table below. While it remains decent with some margin above the required 3 satelltites it did lose the fix a bit even placed directly under the windshield



    4. Accuracy : a close inspection of the actual tracks showed that it did not offer tracking as precise as the Nemerix v4 based iBlue that excelled in the challenging environment seen in the picture below or as the SiRFstarIII BT-338 that had some problems as well. This is likely due to less advanced multipath management. Not a problem for casual use, but it you need good accuracy in an urban environment then you should keep this in mind. Repeated the same test run after upgrading to firmware v690 and found the same results.



    5. Blue=BT338, Green=iBlue, Red=WBT100

  3. Battery life : comes in at about 11 hours for continuous GPS use, which is quite a feat considering the size of the battery, of the BL-4C type, previously used on the Royaltek RBT-1000 and 2001, where it was only good for 6 hours of continuous use.

  4. USB GPS : There have been other mixed Bluetooth/USB GPS receivers in the past from Holux and Fortuna, but they required a special USB cable, not so with the WBT-200 that can be used as a mouse GPS with a standard USB cable, a first.

  5. Data Logger : The data logger works as expected and the G-Tool PC software (can be downloaded here if you want to demo it) has a convenient feature to convert a log directly to the Google Earth format on top of .GPX and Papago (MapKing). You can choose automatic modes or record data at a set time or distance and it can log up to 12,680 points. Update : I did some more testing, logging the position every 30 minutes as I was hoping it would go into some kind of "push to fix" mode for extended use, but it only turned off Bluetooth and I was able to log 34 points so that's about 17 hours of battery life, still an improvement over the original 11 hours. No impact switching to one hour logging

  6. Easy firmware upgrades : another first, most likely because there is a "safe" native USB connection, you can upgrade the WBT via the PC app using the latest firmware downloaded from the site of the manufacturer. I easily upgraded the WBT-100 to the v690 version in a few seconds although my first attempt was unsuccessfull following an unrelated problem on my PC.
Final words : An interesting unit overall with a very pleasing form factor and some novel features at at a good price (currently $95 before the 10% GpsPasSion Club discount). A bit more sensitivity and accuracy would have been nice for more advanced use, but I understand the Wintec engineers are fine-tuning the firmware so that might come later.

Any questions or comments ?
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dvint1 Posted - 29 nov. 2007 : 22:07:57
Just wondering if anyone has had problems with the wintec hardware playing catchup on your position?

I have 2 wintec and 1 does it but the other works fine.

I have the device setup to poll every 5 sec on the log, and what I see is that every say few minutes the GPS will jump around 60m.

I also have the problem of getting to a waypoint, I can leave the GPS there (saying I am 60m away still, and watch it count down 1 metre a minute until it says I am where I am (I hope this makes sense:))

Any help is appreciated.
travisn000 Posted - 23 oct. 2007 : 20:04:18
@gpspassion (or anyone else that can awnser..)

Are the reviews at the beginning of this thread current (using the current firmware)?
tnguyen875 Posted - 05 sept. 2007 : 02:24:38
I just purchased a new gps WBT 200. Can anyone show me how to download the data logger to Pocket PC by using bluetooth? Thank you
migloo Posted - 04 août 2007 : 21:02:24
[SOLVED] Wintec WBT-200 firmware upgrade disaster.

I just tried to upgrade to the latest firmware (3.31.6230R43) under G-Tool V2.85, strictly following instructions:
The procedure failed unrecoverably (firmware erased, unit unusable)

Has anyone else had to deal with this problem?

______________________________
update [SOLVED] :
Wintec's HOWTO ( http://www.wintec.com.tw/en/faq_detail.php?cate_id=14&faq_id=65 ) needs some interpretation:

1- where it says a failed SOFT upgrade destroys the receiver is simply not true, fortunately.

2- description of HWNOWAIT upgrade should emphasize that it must be done without reinserting the battery!
Skdzzz Posted - 21 juil. 2007 : 22:00:18
quote:
Originally posted by Skdzzz

Another newer version of G-Tool (probably not official):
BEWARE, I have NOT tested this release yet!!!
I will give it a try as I do not use compass at all.



I have installed the new firmware and G-Tool 2.9 and it works well, as described you loose the compass (I do not use it anyway) and when you press the compass button a placemark is recorded in your route.

I will use this special version and see if it is of use to me.

Thanks to Wintec for improving this GPS over the time, I am impressed with this level of support.
Skdzzz Posted - 20 juil. 2007 : 13:16:20
Another newer version of G-Tool (probably not official):
BEWARE, I have NOT tested this release yet!!!
I will give it a try as I do not use compass at all.

Version 2.9~~NEW
1. WBT-100 firmware upgrade
2. NEW Push log feature (compass feature will disable at the same time)

ftp://customer:123456@mail1.wintec.com.tw/support_file/WBT-100_SPECIAL.zip

Extracted from the Readme file:
quote:

6. How to do push log feature.
6.1. Short click compass key on the WBT-100, the GPS LED will grows on GREEN, and turn off after about 1 sec. later. That means mark a special point.
6.2. Long push and hold the compass key on the WBT-100, the GPS LED will grows on GREEN, please hold push until the green LED turn off. That means creat a new trajectory.


Moris Posted - 04 juil. 2007 : 09:40:27
And newer v. of G-Tool:

Version 2.85~~NEW
1. Additional LOG with HDOP feature.
2. Additional Google Maps transfer format.
3. Modify Google Earth and Virtual Earth format.

ftp://customer:123456@mail1.wintec.com.tw/support_file/GTool_V2_85_setup.zip
Skdzzz Posted - 15 juin 2007 : 13:24:22
G-Tool New Version 2.84
1. Compatible with Win Vista
2. Additional pop-up menu in the trajectory manager list.

*In the Vista, please turn off Vista UAC before install GTool.

GTool_V2.84.zip - ftp://customer:123456@mail1.wintec.com.tw/support_file/GTool_V2.84.zip
mema Posted - 11 juin 2007 : 03:33:02
I am having the same problem someone else reported in windows vista where the track downloads but never shows up in the track window. Is there a way to fix this please? It's urgent!

Thanks very much!
cantece Posted - 10 mai 2007 : 09:46:33
I have the same problem after a new installation on a WindowsVista.
The track do not shows in the G-Tool Window, but the files are read in the explorer. But it is still not possible to make a transformation of the *.trk to GE or Ozi. The latest G-tool software is only for XP not for Vista!!!
peterfier Posted - 09 mai 2007 : 07:08:31
I think I saw someone else mention this, but nothing recently. For the last several versions of the G-Tool app (desktop), it says it's loading the track and spends a while doing, but then when it completes the track never shows up in the track list box. Please oh please someone explain to me how to fix this. Just installed the latest version on a new computer and it's doing the same thing. Help!!
admin_0 Posted - 26 avr. 2007 : 08:52:12
Hi
I have had my WBT-100 for about 4 months now and it has gone great. I mainly use it for photo tagging using WWMX. I just stumbled across this the other day, a early firmware that logs 50,000 points. I have been using R40 since I got my GPS and it tops out at 22,000 so it is a massive increase.
I installed the firmware last night and am leaving the gps logging for a couple days to see if it really works. This will be handy as I am off to Africa for a month in about 6 weeks and will not have a PC to download the points over that time. A quick calc works out that I can log tracks every 25 seconds and will only just fill the log in 1 month.

Secondly has anyone tried a BL-4C battery as a replacement? Im thinking of purchasing one.

Links:
Main site
http://www.richardman.com/
Firmware
http://www.richardman.com/download/WBT100_3_31_6230_R42.zip
admin_0 Posted - 21 avr. 2007 : 22:48:54
When I try to download the new firmware but the ftp server keep saying my login is incorrect. Any idea?
I tried these 2 combonations:
user id: anonymous and password: my email address
user id: customer and password: 123456

Obviously, people here has been able to download the firmware. Any idea what am I missing?
BrunoJ Posted - 13 avr. 2007 : 09:05:51
Midtoad, You didn't read all current topic carefully, it has beed discussed. The attitude information are included into WBT devices from almost one year. It is true, some really first test with WBT-100 provides information the attitude (elevation) in not stored. But it has been updated time ago. it is one of advantage on this devices - manufacturer provides firmware updates regularly, adding new features and repairing bugs.
below link into picture with traces including attitude information (and speed).
Captured during airplane start in... hehe, you can easy find it using GPS data :D
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7922/wbt200attitudetrace001vx2.jpg

Btw, GPS had a problem during start, I'm not sure, probably speed and attitude acceleration changes was too fast at the begin, GPS didn't recognize it corectly,
using 'speed' method.

Regards
Bruno
jnarboux Posted - 13 avr. 2007 : 08:41:55
I am sure, you will get the elevation on the WBT-100/200. I had it once in a plane and got a nice google earth track showing elevation.
midtoad Posted - 13 avr. 2007 : 06:01:38
It seems that none of the Wintec loggers will record elevation in the tracklog. Can anyone tell me if that is NOT the case, i.e. they DO record elevation? I need this feature so if the logger only records in 2D instead of 3D it's of no use to me.

thx
S
obarnes Posted - 17 mars 2007 : 04:09:09

New version of G-Tool v2.83

Version 2.83~~NEW
1. Additional track transfer format----WBT201(G-Rays II (*.tk1)).
2. Additional non-integral zone.
3. Additional operation language: Japan

ftp://customer:123456@mail1.wintec.com.tw/support_file/GTool_V2.83.zip

OB.
gpspassion Posted - 09 févr. 2007 : 00:34:32
Thanks, that worked, downloading...
BrunoJ Posted - 08 févr. 2007 : 23:49:44
Hi,

I apologize I've sent it few times, didn't found edit option...
About link, I'm surprised, but it doesn't work directly.
You need to do:
0. go to page from link
1. change language to English (upper right corner)
2. go to support tab, then select product "gps application"
3. select WBT-200 (or 100)
4. here you are.

Regards
Bruno
gpspassion Posted - 08 févr. 2007 : 21:59:16
hum...did some cleaning up, don't post 3 messages in a row like that, just edit your first message. Having said that, thanks for sharing, although I'm not seeing any active links on that page ?
BrunoJ Posted - 08 févr. 2007 : 20:17:59
I found newer version of firmware and G-Tools.

http://www.wintec.com.tw/en/support_detail.php?cate_id=11&support_id=11

G-Tool v2.82
firmware *6230_R40

I plan to install it today/tomorrow, but I'm not really familiar (yet)
with GPS details, just use is with tomtom and Google Earth for fun.

Regards
Bruno
MVShu Posted - 18 janv. 2007 : 21:01:55
All,

Couple of quick questions. I was looking to hardwire this into my car and simply pull data off of it at regular intervals with a BT enabled PDA. Basically wish to be able to log all biz travel, and dont want to have to remember to plug something in or turn it on every time I get in the car.

1) Is it possible to hardwire the powersourceand bypass the batteries, or is there some converter so that it turns on when the car does (hardwired to ignition circuit?) and off when the car goes off?

2) I'd like the logging function to be continuous (circular, over days and weeks) @ ~ 5 minute sample rate. I have read that many people are not getting many log points, but it appears that is simply due to the device running out of battery. If it is hardwired for power or left on the charging cable permanently, has anyone had an issue with it not logging?

3) Is there a setting to only log while the device is in motion? (If not, does it seem reasonable to use the auto-heading setting, which seems like it would not log a new point until the device changed headings and therefore had moved?)

4) Is this a good device for the use I am proposing? Or should I simply try to find a diff device?
GPSKlaus Posted - 17 janv. 2007 : 12:38:16
Of course the build in antenna somehow is directional. So for optimal reception it must be pointed towards the sky. I did not look into the housing, but this should be the case after the mouse is in horizontal position with LED's and switch upwards.

How it's looking inside the mouse can be seen here:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/wintec-data-logger.php

Klaus
cantece Posted - 17 janv. 2007 : 09:50:46
I had the device in the front pocket of my shirt. I do not kow what side was up or front. So you think this matters for the quality of reception?
jnarboux Posted - 16 janv. 2007 : 13:45:52
When walking in the street how do you hold it ? I noticed that if you put your had on the front side (the one with the leds) then the reception is very bad.

cantece Posted - 16 janv. 2007 : 13:19:01
it was not in a car, but I was walking in large streets. It can find a fix after a long time, but then is still very inprecise. When I dont move for several minutes, the position jumps around several 100m. I will send it back and ask for a new one if you say that the othe wintec WBT-100 are more reliablbe.
Thanks,
gpspassion Posted - 15 janv. 2007 : 18:32:49
If you're not behind a coated windhield, that does look like a hardware problem, most likely the antenna, so yes, I would send it back.
cantece Posted - 15 janv. 2007 : 17:58:33
Hello,
I have some precision problems with the Wintec WBT100. The fic takes up to 15 mn and even then the precision is only 100/200m. Even if I'm staying in a large alley with good sky view. I uploaded the newest firmware, but this did not change anything. I heard that some hardware of the first series had some problems. Do you know about it? Should I send it back?
Thanks for your help.
jnarboux Posted - 08 janv. 2007 : 20:55:18
For Linux users, here is how to use wintec Wbt-100/200 :

http://www4.in.tum.de/~narboux/misc/wintec.html

Suggestions are welcomed.
gpspassion Posted - 03 janv. 2007 : 00:08:01
17 hours is with the original battery, I suspect that with a large USB battery pack you could make it run for a long time indeed.
supersonic Posted - 02 janv. 2007 : 17:41:27
Maybe someone with one of these can answer...

Does the 17 hour battery life mean of continuous life, or an aggregate?

I mean, if you attached it to an object (car...) that only moved for an hour a day
would that then be 17 days before it ran out of battery?

Or can a kickass battery pack be 'made' from a series of big batteries to make it
last for days/weeks, etc? Some older Nokia's had standby of 400 hours plus IIRC

Your ideas, or alternative suggestions welcomed...
gpspassion Posted - 28 déc. 2006 : 01:51:42
Welcome to the forums. Looks like we need(ed) a new "geotagging" thread ;-) I created this one http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75179 feel free to repost your workflow over there. I'm still looking for a good one myself !
admin_0 Posted - 27 déc. 2006 : 22:48:47
I got my wbt 200 and upgraded G-Tool and firmware to the latest version.

I use it as my bluetooth GPS with MSFT streets and trips 2007 in my laptop.
Use my Tmobile MDA with Tom Tom Navigator 5.0 as mobile GPS.
The included car charger works nicely when traveling and since its standard mini USB charger, I can use it with my tmobile mda too.

I set the track record to 3 seconds and switch it on only when I take photos.
I use G-Tool to export to gpx and use "wwmx location stamper" to update the pictures exif data. This seems complicated, but I have to copy my pictures any way from the camera so its just one additional step.

I use picasa and Google earth to view my geotagged pics using the "view in google earth" option in picasa. You can export the pitures to a kmz file from Google earth, but google maps dosnt support it just yet. Picasaweb should support geotags in a few days and I will be all set.
kstashuk Posted - 13 déc. 2006 : 04:21:00
Thanks for the feedback. What I'm looking for is the best and smallest solution to geotag my photos. I was looking at the Sony model at first, but having a Mac it's not an option. What would be awesome is to be able to clip this unit to my bag so that it's in direct view to the sky, then download the data after a day around town to sync up with photos.

Its hard to tell in the product shots, is their the ability to clip this unit to a bag or similar?
alexz Posted - 12 déc. 2006 : 04:27:51
Given that the DG-100 is not bluetooth, what do you think would be the most sensitive bluetooth gps (that you can throw in your bag and have the best chance of having it work)?
gpspassion Posted - 11 déc. 2006 : 10:09:29
There's really no good answer to that, depends on where you put your bag, what you have in it, etc...what can be said is that WBT does not use the most sensitive GPS chipset out there, that would be the Globalsat DG-100 with the SiRFstarIII chipset. I'm currently reviewing it and should have that ready later today.
kstashuk Posted - 07 déc. 2006 : 23:02:53
I'm looking to pick this unit up to geocode my digital camera pictures. I'll be in Australia so line of site to the sky shouldn't be much of a problem. I am new at this though, so I was wondering if this unit would log points from INSIDE a bag. Can I turn on the unit then toss it in my pack, and still record? Or does it have to be in the open air.

I'll also be using this unit on my MacBook.
pawel__71 Posted - 04 déc. 2006 : 08:04:20
I suspect that new firmware is the same like R6 but
compiled with new GPS core from iTrax.
BadAngel Posted - 04 déc. 2006 : 01:38:20
forgot to say that my unit came with firmware 3_31_6090_R6
BadAngel Posted - 04 déc. 2006 : 01:35:41
Hello

i got my wbt200 on friday... and gtool 2.70 was included on the cd

firmware WBT200_3_31_6230_R1.fls and WBT100_3_31_6230_R1.fls where included with it

i am guessing they are newer but i havent found a mention on their website

anyone know anything about this version?

Antonis
phandel Posted - 24 nov. 2006 : 09:52:45
1) How do you set the logging frequency, using a Mac? Can I "echo log_rate 5 > /dev/cu.BT-GPS-SPPslave-1" or something?
2) Is it possible to update the firmware on a Mac?
3) Has anyone pulled data off a WBT-100 using GPSBabel? Or does everyone have the -200?


Thanks,
Peter
nboga Posted - 16 nov. 2006 : 10:00:05
Hi folks. Finally I've got it. Have killed two hours (I hate bridges with those crazy traffic) but now I owe this gadget. So, besides accuracy, it is working as I have expected. In the G-Tool if u tick 'compass/gps inter-calibrating' your heading will be always in line with gps axis. The unit by the way should be positioned horizontally w/o tilting. In advance to wise corrections - the 'heading' I meant angel between direction to North and GPS axis. It is sometimes jumping to other directions but mostly stable. If u untick this box - heading will be changing randomly. And again: I am speaking about low speed or idling and this will be interesting only for skippers. Gps sending it in $GPRMC. I have heavy folliage in front of window and about 20° of open sky and I like how it works. Will see how it will be at sea.
bob_34 Posted - 13 nov. 2006 : 09:14:28
Hi

I am from austria and my english is not the best

To change update rate on WBT-100 to 2Hz/4Hz or back to 1Hz look here

http://www.pocketnavigation.de/board/tid1049347-sid.htm

greet from vienna
Bob_34
nboga Posted - 12 nov. 2006 : 07:52:04
Thanks a lot, Moris. Question was about low speed or idling when gps is loosing sensitivity to the heading and jumps from one direction to another. U are absolutely right in the terms of definitions by the way.

One advertising of this gadget was as I like this gps to function, but the other one contradict it (check out links above). For inst on the shipborne gps when data is linked with gyro (or magnetic) compass as well, the vessel's course line will be always in the line with the vssl's center plane in the navsoft.

So I was talking about course in prev post but had used 'heading'. Sorry for confusion which I tried to avoid. I think that best way to me will be go buy and test it. If not - then return and buy Holux (I believe that sirf3 ch/set is out of competition).

Brgds
Master Mariner.
Moris Posted - 12 nov. 2006 : 06:13:56
Nboga,
Heading is always heading. Let say you are moving north and at the same time you are turning the GPS around, you are still heading north and the electronic compass is not affecting it. Then, if you use the software which is coming with the WBT-100 the reading of the compass will depend on the direction (not heading) you are holding it. If you move towards north and start turning the GPS around the arrow on the compass also will. So compass on the WBT-100 is one thing, heading using navigation mode another. Hope it helps
nboga Posted - 11 nov. 2006 : 21:55:21
thanks. so far not so clear. anybody who has this gadget in possession pls try the following : when gps is on, navsoft is running and u r idling - is heading stable? and if u will turn only gps to the considerable angle, say for inst 90° any side, does heading reflect this turn in the navsoft? thank you very much.
gpspassion Posted - 10 nov. 2006 : 01:49:01
Well I'm not certain, there is indeed some compass integration now with the latest versions, but only to the extent that the fix is lost, not something that's very likely to happen with marine use and they have warnings that it may not be accurate.
nboga Posted - 09 nov. 2006 : 22:38:25
Hi. So, according to:
http://www.rungps.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225&zenid=fd6c8b8021553f326785d55dfb6d60f9
qte
2. Compass with direction indicator and auto-corrective feature: Provides accurate heading information just like a regular magnetic compass. Unlike the standard GPS receiver, your heading is only accurate up to the last GPS data point and your heading data is not updated until you move away from your current position. On the other hand, the WBT-100's built in electronic magnetic compass will provide real time heading just exactly like a regular magnetic compass. Due to this, it is very suitable for geocaching!
unqte
And reply on my question is positive. Can anybody(WBT100 real user) confirm it? This function I would like to have for marine use,beside others . From other hand, there is some info in the i-net that during compass mode this device does not transmitt position data. But it was not clearly said is it just during callibration/positionning to north (according the link above) or anytime when compass is in use. Thanks a lot.
nboga Posted - 08 nov. 2006 : 20:57:58
Hi gpspassion. I have question regarding embedded e-compass in the WBT-100. So when speed comes to low or when idling and gps loses its sensitivity to direction does the heading on navigation software remains stable in accordance with gps e-compass? Thanks.
lukasz74nj Posted - 06 nov. 2006 : 02:42:19
gpspassion,

I indend to buy this device solely for GPS data logging so I can map my route and photos taken during the trip. I won't be connecting the GPS unit to a PDA while driving. Is the mount option for mounting the GPS unit or for PDA? Thanks.

Lukasz
gpspassion Posted - 06 nov. 2006 : 01:52:13
I guess that relates more to you PDA than to the WBT-200 so we probably have better threads to discuss that ;-) For what it's worth I prefer simple universal mounts.
lukasz74nj Posted - 06 nov. 2006 : 01:48:18
I'm looking into buying WBT-200 model and was wondering which mount would you recommend to be used in a car (there are a few options to choose from when buying from semsons Website). Thanks.

Lukasz
Moris Posted - 28 oct. 2006 : 09:47:02
Ruzzle,
I could set up my Zire 72 with WBT-100 so I guess it will be possible to connect yours.
1. WBT-100/200 does not support GSM network; you cannot track this device while you are in different location. But when you already have it in your hands you can download the track from the WBT and see where it was
2. Yes, you can use WBT-100/200 for navigation.
Ruzzle Posted - 24 oct. 2006 : 04:18:29
I have a palm TX. Is the Wintec 100/200 compatible with it. That is,
1. Most importantly, can I download the log to the Palm while away on extended vacation?
2. Can I somehow use it for navitgation? (I got lost in Hong Kong on my last holiday after getting on the wrong bus !!!)
Thanks
p_synthesis Posted - 23 oct. 2006 : 17:45:40
gpspassion -- you mentioned using the new VE format so I assume you are using the newest G-Tool 2.70 version. Doesn't this still have the bug of having an inaccurate location?
Skdzzz Posted - 23 oct. 2006 : 12:27:20
GPSBabel (http://www.gpsbabel.org/) should work also in linux although I have not tested.

You can extract the logged data from your Wintec GPS with GPSBabel and convert it to any of the supported formats as GPS, Google Earth, OziExplorer... It is also possible to erase the GPS data after downloading it to your computer.
gpspassion Posted - 23 oct. 2006 : 00:50:27
Doesn't look like it, no, you should send an email to wintec to see if they have any plans for that.
spacemarc Posted - 22 oct. 2006 : 21:15:40
the software to track the points logged is available on Linux?
gpspassion Posted - 21 oct. 2006 : 03:31:11
Good idea, they could possibly add that when they do the conversion, talking of which I really like the new VirtualEarth format, less demanding in ressources than GE.
Skdzzz Posted - 17 oct. 2006 : 20:22:23
quote:
Originally posted by pawel__71
If gps signal is low and HDOP is very poor you will have very unacurate random
data. I'd like to have some filter option to say - log only those points where HDOP/VDOP is less than x.


I also think that it could be very usefull as the track data is sometimes very bad due to poor signal. Have you requested that feature directly to Wintec (to be included in next releases of G-Tool)?
pawel__71 Posted - 17 oct. 2006 : 14:28:52
1. In current firmware you can log twice - 25200 points. If log exceeds this number
WBT removes 1/5 of oldest data and continues logging. I described my tests in previous
messages.
2. It depends on car. I had good results under windshield.
3. It depends on current sky situation.
4. Log data is written to flash so you will not loose it in case of weak battery.
If gps signal is low and HDOP is very poor you will have very unacurate random
data. I'd like to have some filter option to say - log only those points where HDOP/VDOP is less than x.
spacemarc Posted - 17 oct. 2006 : 14:16:52
hi guys, I would want to buy this WBT-100/200 as gps entry level system. I have some questions:

1) if the WBT-100 exceeds the 12,600 points, what happens (is remaining firm that in motion)?

2) Which are the better place in car where to insert the WBT-100? cowling, motor, drawer of the dashboard, baggage car…?

3) which are the places in which it marks them comes completely lost from the satellite?

4) if the gps signal is low and/or the battery life is low, what happens to logging data?
frankfurt Posted - 16 oct. 2006 : 11:32:30
Thanks for your help. I'll try to reinstall those drivers again and will keep the forum updated. Strange issue, anyhow.
gpspassion Posted - 16 oct. 2006 : 01:57:26
Welcome to the forums.
Could be a T40 problem, my X31 loses the SPP profile regularly...need to reinstall the Bluetooth drivers to get it back.
frankfurt Posted - 15 oct. 2006 : 16:48:04
Hi, hope someone can provide help with this.

I'm using a WBT100 with a Thinkpad T40 and the latest version of the IBM Integrated Bluetooth II installed (1.4.3.4). I can't get the bluetooth connection to work. The Thinkpad pairs ok with the WBT100, but then no services are shown on it (specifically, the SPP).

The WBT100 works perfectly via USB. Any idea? Thnx in advance.
p_synthesis Posted - 15 oct. 2006 : 00:45:11
Thanks for all the info. I'll wait for the v2.71 to appear on their website. Pretty impressive that they can send you a fix right away.
Skdzzz Posted - 13 oct. 2006 : 21:50:23
quote:
Originally posted by Skdzzz
I can confirm that, I have converted the same .tks binary track file to GPX with v2.68 and with v2.70. The GPX converted with v2.68 is accurate but the one generated with v2.70 has wrong longitude.


After contacting Wintec, they have fixed the problem with GPX file conversion, and they have send me a new GTool.exe that works fine, it is the same v2.70, but a diferent .exe file, I hope they will update this new software in their web soon.
Skdzzz Posted - 13 oct. 2006 : 07:25:33
quote:
Originally posted by pawel__71

Yes, it must be a bug indeed. In 2.68 conversion was ok - I remember that I used it for geotagging.

I can confirm that, I have converted the same .tks binary track file to GPX with v2.68 and with v2.70. The GPX converted with v2.68 is accurate but the one generated with v2.70 has wrong longitude.

quote:
By the way - do you know better tool than WWMXLocationStamper, but freeware of course (RoboGeo4.2
is too expensive for me). WWMXLocationStamper destroys some of Exif fields in my photos
so I don't like it.


I have the same problem as you. I feel that ROBOGeo (actually v5) is too expensive for what it does. I have been also looking for an alternative freeware solution for geotagging.

I tried gpsPhoto perl script (http://www.carto.net/projects/photoTools/gpsPhoto/) with no luck. After a couple of hours installing perl, the needed modules and fixing some problems with my directory structure (that gpsPhoto does not like), finally I get an error from ExifTool, it seems to be incompatible with my jpeg files, I need to do further tests to report this error to ExifTool project.

By the way, what kind of problems with exif info did you find with WWMX Location Stamper?
pawel__71 Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 22:36:43
Yes, it must be a bug indeed. In 2.68 conversion was ok - I remember that I used it for geotagging.
By the way - do you know better tool than WWMXLocationStamper, but freeware of course (RoboGeo4.2
is too expensive for me). WWMXLocationStamper destroys some of Exif fields in my photos
so I don't like it.
Skdzzz Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 20:50:25
quote:
Originally posted by pawel__71

Are you sure it is offset in latitude not in time?

There is also a time offset as I live in GMT+1 (Spain), but I have fixed that thanks to GPSBabel.

quote:
What time zone do you live? Did you set timezone offset in GTool?

I am not sure where in GTool is the timezone offset set.

The longitude offset problem is only with GPX files generated with G-Tool, I have exported the same file to Google Earth (kmz) and it is perfectly accurate.

Here there is an example of the same point in Google Earth and GPX.

Google Earth:
40°26'3.19"N (40.434219444444444)
3°48'21.41"W (3.805947222222222)

GPX:
<trkpt lat="40.434220" lon="-2.194051">
<ele>682.000000</ele>
<time>2006-10-07T12:47:24Z</time>
<speed>14.425055</speed>
<type>Trackpoint</type>
</trkpt>

Any clue?

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I have converted the Wintec source track file (.tks) directly to GPX with GPSBabel 1.3.1 (http://www.gpsbabel.org/) and the resulting GPX file is accurate, so now I am sure that there is a bug with the G-Tool V2.70 at least with the conversion to GPX and to OziExplorer. I have used the resulting GPX file to geocode my photos with WWMX Location Stamper and it worked great. The resulting files are also displayed in the correct coordinates in Google Earth.

I have already send the bug report to sales(at)wintec.com.tw, maybe it is not the right address but the only one that I have found in their web page.
pawel__71 Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 20:27:31
Are you sure it is offset in latitude not in time?
What time zone do you live? Did you set timezone offset in GTool?
For geotagging you should use offset 0 because WWMXLocationStamper
takes timezone from operating system. This has of course another
disadvantage that if you take photos in other timezone you have
to do some tricks to cheat LocationStamper.
I didn't notice any improvement in acuracy. But it is hard to
check without two identical devices with different FW loaded.
Skdzzz Posted - 11 oct. 2006 : 19:52:41
quote:
Originally posted by p_synthesis

I haven't done the upgrade yet. Any news/comments on the new firmware and G-tools? More functions? More accurate?



I have updated the firmware and using G-Tool 2.70 but the track I have extracted (GPX format) seems to be moved from the original location. It is only an offset in the longitide of more the 1 degree, latitude seems to be ok.

I was trying to geotag my pictures with the GPS recorded track in GPX format using WWMX Location Stamper (http://wwmx.org/Download.aspx).

Does any of you suffer the same problem?

p_synthesis Posted - 10 oct. 2006 : 18:19:05
I haven't done the upgrade yet. Any news/comments on the new firmware and G-tools? More functions? More accurate?
gpspassion Posted - 03 oct. 2006 : 00:30:11
Indeed, upgrading as I type this ;-)
pawel__71 Posted - 02 oct. 2006 : 23:41:38
It's even better!! Has anybody noticed that in G-Tool 2.70 directory there is even newer firmware version?
I just uploaded to my WBT200 new core 6230,R1. I haven't made any tests yet. But new kernel seems promising,
maybe iTrack improved acuracy (multipath)? And I hope R1 has longer log feature like introduced in 6090 R6.
Wintec is really incredible company giving us still new gifts :) It's interesting that they didn't mention
anything about new fw and kernel on their support page.
gpspassion Posted - 01 oct. 2006 : 10:14:05
The new virtual earth format is interesting in that it creates an html page that is easier to use than Google earth and you can then click on a button corresponding to the date of your log. It did create a lot of buttons at odd dates for me too, will start from scratch with a new log. [UPDATE] that has indeed helped.

Took a closer look at R6 and it also adds "compass/GPS - inter-calibrating" on the WBT100 to provide some assistance when the GPS loses it's sense of direction, as well as a HDG NMEA message in this format : $HCHDG,001,,E,,E*5D with 001 being the heading.
gpspassion Posted - 01 oct. 2006 : 03:07:39
...and installed; thing is I'm using Gtool-270 and it's saying "unknown version" after the upgrade, ok connected/disconnected and it reads the FW level again. This should be the direct link in Engish -> http://www.wintec.com.tw/en/support_detail.php?main_cate=11&cate_id=13&support_id=11
gpspassion Posted - 01 oct. 2006 : 02:42:35
Nope had missed that, very interesting, downloading (must select English language to get to the download page)
pawel__71 Posted - 29 sept. 2006 : 13:46:06
Hello there,
Have anybody noticed that we got another gift from Wintec?
There is new fw and gtool version available.
New fw 6090 R6 doubles log memory to 25360 points total.
For WBT200 you will find it here:
http://www.wintec.com.tw/en/support_detail.php?main_cate=11&cate_id=13&support_id=11
Pawel
migloo Posted - 29 sept. 2006 : 13:14:18
I just received my little WBT-200 from Semsons'

- I was pleasantly surprised by a better than expected selectivity (I probably have the latest firmware release).

- The user's manual is an absolute disgrace, essentially unusable.

- The logged NMEA sentences are very incomplete:
RMC: status always Void, speed, track and magnetic variation missing
GGA: quality, #satellites, HDP and geoid alt missing

- Apparently not as linux-compatible as expected:
Datalog download under linux gpsbabel-1.3.1 works perfectly, but any configuration task (firmware upgrade, logger options) still requires G-tools under windows (no colleague will let me install this suspicious looking gtools in their Microsoft box).
If the gtools source was made available, I could build a linux-compatible version (unless it is already available somewhere?).
lobopac Posted - 30 août 2006 : 22:59:37
i don't think it comes with any navigation software if that's what you mean. the software it comes with looks only to be the data logging software and the compass feature. to look at the logged data, use google earth (free). that is a cool feature.

as far as pocket pc software, for onroad...i use mapopolis. you have to buy individual maps, but the software is free, i like it better than any other application.

for off road driving, hiking, camping etc....i have had good luck using topo usa maps ported to street atlas 2005 handheld that came with my blue logger.

i'll probably stick with my current software even if i try out the wbt.
COHO Posted - 30 août 2006 : 20:14:40
I wonder if it comes with a program or do you have to purchase it somewhere else. You would think they would have more details about this product. I have been using Google to get the info but it is all the same.
lobopac Posted - 30 août 2006 : 15:44:48
i would be intersted in some ppc shots as well. i use my current bluetooth gps with my pocket pc 99% of the time. thanks.
COHO Posted - 30 août 2006 : 15:08:26
Anyone have a screen shot on how the WBT would look on a Pocket PC show the WBT navigating?

COHO
COHO Posted - 29 août 2006 : 23:09:46
I am interested in the WBT-100 with my Cingular 8125 Pocket PC. However I do not see any examples of this device being used as a GPS on a pocket PC phone. How does it look or sound as you drive around town? I live in the Washinton DC area and need something like this for directions. I bought the Delorme for my laptop, but no longer have the laptop and I don't think you can convert the LT-10 or LT-20 for Pocket PC.

COHO
gpspassion Posted - 28 août 2006 : 00:15:12
No it doesn't have that type of filtering, but the latest "auto-heading" logging mode gives good results.
lobopac Posted - 25 août 2006 : 20:33:33
hi....i currently have a delorme bluelogger and was wondering if anyone had experience with both of these units. the Wintec WBT-100 is intruiging as it has the usb and the e-compas. i'll have to look at the software for the ppc, but does it allow you to change the logging capabilites of the unit? currently on my blue logger software, there's ways to set how it logs points such as:

if faster than 55mph: every 1 mile
if slower than 3 mph: every .003 miles
otherwise: every .025 miles

i could change the paramaters for speed and how often to log points.

if any one has experience with both sets of software, i'd appreciate it.

great info so far by the way. thanks.
Deanerh Posted - 21 août 2006 : 16:02:43
The GPS can be used real-time through the Bluetooth. I'm using it with my Sprint Phone and I-Guidance. Can't tell you about the Microsoft product.

On another note, is anyone having a problem when you use it in the data logging mode where instead of giving you one large log file for your route, you wind up with a whole bunch of files that are pieces of the route...almost as if its starting and stopping. There is no pattern to the frequency of the starting/stopping so its not a functio of how the data logging is set (I had it set for every 5 seconds.)
admin_0 Posted - 02 août 2006 : 18:44:08
I am considering the WBT 200 to use with my Axim X30 using BT or to use with my Dell notebook using USB. The specs state "using GPS in real-time through USB connection". Can the GPS be used in real-time through the BT connection? Is the WBT 200 compatible with MS Streets & Trips? Thank you.
floepie Posted - 24 juil. 2006 : 16:20:49
When initially establishing partnership, I noticed this too. However, after pairing and a soft reset, I've never seen it happen again. I'm just wondering if other GPSr log devices with which they are currently paired. I thought not, until I've seen how this device operates.

Could this be some sort of security mechanism to prevent other BT devices discovering your tracks?
gpspassion Posted - 24 juil. 2006 : 11:43:40
yes, so I'm not why I remember seeing 16,000, must have been late ;-) One problem I'm having with the WBT-100 is that seems to try to initiate a Bluetooth connection when I turn it on, which tends to confuse WM5 based PDAs and Smartphones with the MS stack. Apparently they prefer to initiate the connection themselves.

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pawel__71 Posted - 24 juil. 2006 : 11:19:49
I had oportunity to check memory capacity again. And it is strange because WBT can still record 12680 points with new firmware (so it gives >200kBytes data in total). So maybe 12680 is Wintec limitation for some reason, but why just value 12680 I have no idea. The rest I discovered in previous test
is still valid - log rotates at 12680 and removes oldest 1/5 of point data.
Pawel
pawel__71 Posted - 23 juil. 2006 : 19:54:45
I hope that Wintec will add in next updates push to fix feature too. But also very important would be recording extra information about VDOP and HDOP
and ability to set the filter to these values. Sometimes WBT records junk data because of very weak signal (for instance inside buildings) so this filtering would be very usefull.
Today I tested autolog1 (speed) and works great. When you walk there are dense path and when you go on train or bus it automaticly
changes record frequency. Great feature to save a lot of memory and to have still acurate data.
Pawel
gpspassion Posted - 23 juil. 2006 : 19:04:34
Tried the "auto heading" mode and it really works well, you only get points when the direction changes.

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gpspassion Posted - 23 juil. 2006 : 10:39:21
Thanks for pointing this out, jsut downloaded and will now install

PC Tool v2.68 : http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/application/GTOOL.htm
PPC Tool v3 : http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/application/GTOOL_ppc.htm
WBT-100 firmware 6090_R4 : http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/bluetoothgps/WBT100.htm

These are the two new log modes :
"i.Auto log 1(Heading):When you heading change more than 10 degress record one point.
ii.Auto log 2(Speed):Depend on your speed change log interval"

I hope they can implement some type of "push to fix" mode in the future to allow logging over very long periods of tims by only turning on the GPS every x minutes/hours rather than have it run at tall times as it does now. Not sure whether the uNav chipset is capable of that though.


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pawel__71 Posted - 23 juil. 2006 : 08:21:50
Hello,
Did you notice that Wintec just released new version of firmware and software set?
This is great upgrade (currently 6090R4)! Now WBT is able to record also altitude
(16 bytes record instead of 12) and there are new two very usefull autolog modes
added. Also new PC and PPC software is provided. Especially GTool for PPC is
much much better than old one.
http://www.wintec.com.tw/GPS/bluetoothgps/WBT200.htm
Best regards,
Pawel
dbonds Posted - 14 juil. 2006 : 04:57:05
I stand corrected. Bluetooth seems to work fine to S&T on my laptop. I'm still not sure how to make it work via the USB connection, but I guess that's moot at least for my application.
dbonds Posted - 13 juil. 2006 : 20:30:00
To mjminjax or anyone else that might be able to answer, can the WBT-200 be made to work with S&T 2006? I'm also a GPS newbie, just received my WBT-200 earlier this week and just bought S&T yesterday. I'm hoping to get all this working for a trip that I'm heading out on tomorrow, so any tips would be appreciated. I'm not having much luck via USB right now and don't expect bluetooth would help much. I *think* the problem is that S&T only wants to work on 4800 and I can't seem to figure out how to change the baud rate of the WBT-200. It looked like changing the rate on the COM port driver in the Device Manager would work, but the GPS still seems to be sending at 9600.

Any thoughts?

Daniel
admin_0 Posted - 05 juil. 2006 : 19:53:11
Greetings. I'm a relative GPS newbie, having just used S&T with the included mouse receiver for about 3 months.

I just ordered a WBT-200 from Semson's to use as a GPS logger for bicycle rides. I'm waiting with great anticipation for it's arrival! In the meantime, I've got a couple of questions:

1) Where have other bicycle riders mounted their GPS loggers? Jersey pocket? Handlebar widget? Top of the helmet? Panniers?

2) I've got a USB universal power extender (hmm, it was from Semson's, too - http://www.semsons.com/batexwitusb.html) that I use to keep the PDA pumping out audio on long flights. Would this be useful to extend WBT-200 operation on extremly long rides?

3) I've found someone with a cheap Palm Bluetooth SDIO card that I'm going to experiment using with my Zire 31. Any recommendations for PDA GPS software? (real-time display would be a secondary, serendipidous bonus; the GPS log data after the ride is my primary aim).

Thanks - MJM in JAX
Moris Posted - 29 juin 2006 : 10:24:19
I cleared the log several times already, made factory reset and nothing. We’ll see. I am going to reinstall the firmware, maybe this will help.
pawel__71 Posted - 27 juin 2006 : 06:24:16
Moris: This is really strange. Maybe try to clear log 2-3 times. I'm sure that on my WBT-200 with new firmware there is room for 12680 records,
after reaching that counter jumps to 10144 as explained earlier. If doesn't help try to contact service.
rrypma: It should be possible to connect WBT to PDA using USB cable if your PDA has "USB host" feature.
Moris Posted - 27 juin 2006 : 05:32:07
Really something strange happened with this unit (WBT 100). I remember that before I had around 12600 points. Now I cannot get more then 8600. Difficult to predict what is causing the problem. I cleared the log several times now. I made factory reset. And still the same results. I was just think that the problem maybe be in the older model and new upgrades, hm. Do you think it is possible that the new upgrades are occupying more memory and that is why there is no memory for the log data?
rrypma Posted - 26 juin 2006 : 22:59:42
Can this device be connected to a PDA over a serial connection somehow with a traditional Y-cable that both charges and transmits data?
pawel__71 Posted - 25 juin 2006 : 21:52:44
Exactly - iTrax03 chip has this feature built-in. Depending on used chip version it can record up to 70000 records.
Also firmware comes from Fasttrax, Wintec only probably repackages it. BTW Fasttrax is another hi-tech Finnish company.
uNav function is to combine everything together with their own CPU as a complete solution.
Release notes for latest firmware can be read here: http://isuite.fastrax.fi/gpswb/ReleaseNotes.html
Another thing which should be interesting for most users is free plugin for GPS Babel reading
log data directly from serial port. Good especially for non-Windoze people.
Author of this plug-in hacked serial input/output from original Wintec software and
found some special command ($PFST prefix). It is good information because PPC
software is very limitated (I miss any conversion module for most knows PPC GPS apps).
Maybe somebody will write better tool. I would do it by myself but currently I have no time.
Regards,
Pawel
gpspassion Posted - 25 juin 2006 : 21:24:36
Good detective work, will check the low battery LED's tonight and check the logging capacity on the 100 again. So the iTrax chipset has some logging built-in ? I thoght that was something specific to Wintec.

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pawel__71 Posted - 25 juin 2006 : 20:33:01
I also noticed that in manual there is information that when red LED starts blinking it means that battery is low power and
in 30 minuted GPS automaticly turns off to avoid total lost of power. In my case (newest firmware) it doesn't happen!
I can have even 2-2.5h LED blinking and suddenly GPS hangs because of no power. It stays in very strange state
with LEDs dimmed and doesn't react on powet button. After I connect it to power adapter I can switch it off.
Did you notice something like that?
Regards,
Pawel
pawel__71 Posted - 25 juin 2006 : 20:27:12
Hello again,
I did some tests on my WBT200 regarding capacity of internal datalogger
memory. I investigated also some iTrax datasheets regarding chipset.
From *.bin file it turns out each record is 12 bytes long.
4 bytes for latitute, 4 for longitude and 4 for time.
Time is coded in bitfields and position is fixed point decimal.
It seems that data is written to FFS (Flash File System) to 5 files,
each aproximately 30-31KB big. So if data reaches 12680 points it means
it takes 5 files/152K and it doesn't rotate the buffer but simpy deletes the oldest file. So you loose not only 1 oldest record but aproximately 2536 records (1 file). It is the simplest implementation, so forget about something like ringbuffer - it would be to time-consuming to rotate memeory after every record written.
Total free FFS space depends on remain flash memory. Probably it depends on size of the firmware.
Regards,
Pawel
Moris Posted - 23 juin 2006 : 11:46:17
You are so right. The GPS market is expanding so quickly that surly we will get it soon.

Yesterday I set the WBT 100 to save the log data every 1 sec. As I calculated, to get these 12680 points I needed approximately 3,5 Hours. After that time I had only 8 000 points. Hm, I had the unit inside the building, close to the window, so I guess I lost the fix. After, I started to charge the device without stopping the logger, and … the electricity was cut off (can’t believe it!). After some time I still did not get the 12680 points, that is not enough, the records started to show completely wrong long/lat and time. Maybe it was caused by the power supply fluctuation.
Now still waiting to fill up all the memory <;)>
gpspassion Posted - 22 juin 2006 : 14:17:59
True, I wish they had implemented "push to fix" for longer logging periods though. That mode only wakes up the GPS from time to time, something tells me we'll soon see devices like that ;-)

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Moris Posted - 22 juin 2006 : 11:20:47
Sure I will. Regarding my opinion about WBT 100. I think it is really a nice gadget for the price. Many people pay much more just for a logger.
gpspassion Posted - 22 juin 2006 : 00:36:11
Might have misread, will check again, you can try by setting 1 seconds for logging ;-)

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Moris Posted - 21 juin 2006 : 05:30:35
I did not go that far, but the manual for WBT 100 says that there is exacly the the same memory (1268 points). Interesting that you had 16 000.
gpspassion Posted - 20 juin 2006 : 19:18:37
Welcome to the forums, yes your calculation is correct, although come to think of it, I wonder if it didn't tell me it had 16,000 points to transfer the other day, maybe the 100 has more memory, will look it up.

I did some more performance testing after the firmware upgrade to 690 and unfortunately, I'm still seeing the multipath "drifting", this will only affect urban use though.

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admin_0 Posted - 20 juin 2006 : 16:46:35
After doing much research including reading this review I decided the WBT-200 was the unit for me and I should take delivery of it today. I was looking for a device that could be used as both a stand alone logger and as a GPS receiver via Bluetooth, which for some reason there doesn't seem to be many of and of note there doesn't seem to be any SirfStar III based units so it was either the BlueLogger or the WBT-200 but from reviews it seems the WBT-200 is the better of the two.

Anyway my newbie question is that what exactly does it mean if the WBT-200 can store 12,680 waypoints? Does that mean if you set it to log every second it will run out of space at about 3.5 hours (12,680/60/60)? I mainly got the unit to plot my cycling routes (I would prefer to ride the route and then map it as all software out there pretty much sucks for mapping cycling routes) and probably average close to 20Mph but often less than that so what would be a good logging interval to use to get a reasonably accurate route?
gpspassion Posted - 19 juin 2006 : 11:18:27
Interesting, but please start another thread about it. It looks like it could be an improved version of the TFac ill-fated pixys.

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maxs Posted - 19 juin 2006 : 10:26:50
By the way.

I have found the GPS device with similar functions as WINTEC WBT-100/200.

This is NAVi GPS Bluetooth Navigator & Data Logger

The function:
- stand-alone GPS data logger (no need to have PDA/Laptop connected to track position)
- Screen. I don't sure what are the main functions, but it looks like Navi GPS can be used as stand-alone GPS device (no need to have PDA or Laptop!)

So Navi GPS can be alternative for WINTEC WBT-100/200, but I don't have much details about it. This is official site reference for Navi GPS: here
Moris Posted - 19 juin 2006 : 05:30:01
Hej Pawel,
The program (G-Tool) always saves the log to the same file and overwriting it. But you can save it with different name using decode mode to “PAPAGO” or “GPX”.
Moris Posted - 19 juin 2006 : 05:22:07
Resource,
There is nothing to be afraid of. I have done this several times and no problem till now. You just have to download the file from the WINTEC webpage and save it on your PC.
Connect WBT and after that, using G-Tool (Firmware tool) press “open” and find the upgrade file you saved on your PC. Finally press “Confirm” and all done.

I hope it helps.
pawel__71 Posted - 18 juin 2006 : 11:19:57
Hello,
I also bacame happy owner of WBT200. This toy is incredible!
I have some other problems. In general PDA app does work, but using
Load Log Data reads data but after that I don't have any choice
to select file name. I noticed that path is saved as allailogread.bin
in main memory. I have to manually rename it to avoid overwriting.
Similar problem there is with PC software. Load Log Data causes
only creating of allailogread.bin file in application local directory.
I can of course convert it. But in the last tab Make Log For GE
I don't have any paths choice list - left side of the window is completly blank. Also Trans options don't work, maybe because I use
newest version GE v4. Fortunately I found manually converted kmz files
and thay seem to be loading properly to GE.
Can you see in your version any paths selection list (Gtool 2.66)?
And do you have any other options in loading data from PDA software?
I had no problems with fw update. I was amazingly quick process - 2-3 second at max speed!
Other question is what is exactly Log Auto Mode in DataLogger options doing? It is not explained in manual. I understand Log By Time and Range and they seem to be working. Also strange behaviour is with
Log Mode Setting tab - it is not refreshed properly, I mean radio button dots are always blank and current time or range setting are always 0. In PC version of Gtool it works properly.
Regards,
Pawel
gpspassion Posted - 18 juin 2006 : 01:46:27
Sure and welcome to the forums.
1. I was able to upgrade via USB with G-Tools, are you experiencing any problems ?
2. What had you set the logging to ? If you choose "auto", then it likely won't stick to the actual route as it reduces the number of points, you'll get the best accuracy by using 1 second

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admin_0 Posted - 18 juin 2006 : 01:42:40
I just got mu Wintec 200 and am blown away by its capabilities.

Could you let me know if there is a trick to the software upgrade? I see the tool to do it on the gtools PC software--together with the warning about not doing it if you don't know what you are doing!. Apparently my Firmware Version: WBT200 3,31,6074,R0 is out of date with the new downoad 6090. There does seem to be some problem with the accuracy of my version,. at least when I download the track onto Googleearth (great feature BTW!).

Also, the gtools PDA doesn't seem to work. Does it tell you anything you can't get from the gps screen on TomTom?

Thanks for you detailed reviews and research.

Marvin
gpspassion Posted - 16 juin 2006 : 09:59:44
Correct !

@soccerholic - yes that would do the trick, just let it log and export when you get home.

By the way I was able to do the firmware upgrade easily, that's another first. Will see if the accuracy has been improved as I've been told it might.


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floepie Posted - 16 juin 2006 : 03:29:41
Would it be accurate that this is the first consumer grade BT GPS that has a true USB port? Or, is this a serial port in disguise?
soccerholic Posted - 15 juin 2006 : 22:19:12
I have a Palm device and i was wondering if there is anything like Google Earth for it. or just something i can get an arial image as my map? I have access to the images due to my job as a civil engineer but i am unsure what or how to do this. My main perpose for this is cause i go off-roading alot and the tomtom map does not have the dirt trails. this is why i like the WinTec WBT-100 cause i dont even have to have by pda to collect info (like while on my mountain bike)and i can put it into google earth with ease but i would like more accuracy that it gives maybe a Sirf III or the Nemerix v4! i am confused on what to get can you help me ?
gpspassion Posted - 15 juin 2006 : 12:15:26
Yes you can, but not as easily, you would record a raw GPS data log from your PDA or PC and then convert it on www.gpsvisualizer.net for instance.

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soccerholic Posted - 15 juin 2006 : 11:33:48
i amup late and ttrying to know what gps to get and i like the Wintec logger feature but was unsure of the name and all. but can other GPS units load maps on Google Earth? or can i convert it somehow?
So if i get the i-blue i can import it into google earth?
Moris Posted - 09 juin 2006 : 14:23:41
Some time ago I almost accidentally discovered WBT-100. Since then I am using it sometimes and I am quite happy with it. The manufacturer quite often upgrade the firmware (point for them). Also I have to say that I really like the size, shape and the cover material.

GPSPASSION wrote:
"(...) the WBT-100 is the WBT-200 with a built-in compass, but it is not integrated very usefully in the unit yet (only blinks fast when facing North) and requires a connection to a PC for actual readings that don't appear to be accurate. (...)"

Actually the light should stop blinking when faces North. You may get not adequate readings of the compass if you do not calibrate it before (should be done quite often if you are using it).

The accuracy and reception. It is quite ok for me. It keeps strong signal while some other have even difficulties to get fix. That’s my 5 cents.
gpspassion Posted - 09 juin 2006 : 11:31:42
At least ? I don't think anyone disagrees with that ;-) I switched to the one point every one hour and got 17 points, so no power saving. Hopefully they can implement "push to fix" at some point to really get long loggig periods.

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maxs Posted - 09 juin 2006 : 08:33:45
Ok,

at least you will agree that data logger function is not common feature and most GPS receivers don't have it.


gpspassion Posted - 09 juin 2006 : 02:52:42
This is a bit OT, but actually you also have the RBT-3000 and Delorme Bluelogger, from the top of my head, I've been bugging Royaltek to come up with a SS3 version since CES in January, they said they were thinking about it.

Tried a firmware upgrade tonight, but my PC crashed...luckily the WBT-100 is unharmed ! Will try again tomorrow.

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maxs Posted - 08 juin 2006 : 14:48:58
And don't forget Datalogger in Wintec WBT-100/200. This is very usefull feature to collect tracks even with PDA and Bluetooth off. Based on my knowledge the Wintec WBT-100/200 is the only BlueTooth GPS device with such function. BT-359 won't have this feature. Also BT-359 doesn't have long operational time? It provides only 11 hours in operational state.
gpspassion Posted - 08 juin 2006 : 09:54:12
Welcome to the forums. Yes Nemerix have certainly come a long way since last year and the terrible multipath problems of the v2 firmware.

Not sure what you mean by "in-depth", I'll certainly update the "chipset comparison" article when the SiRFstarIII v2 (Single chip) becomes available on the BT-359, but this takes a lot of time so these one on one reviews here and there provide more flexibility. You can make suggestions here http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175 ;-)


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rventura Posted - 08 juin 2006 : 08:22:48
Nice review, it has certainly opened my eyes to the power of Nemerix. The use of google earth in communicating your results is a really nice touch.

I agree maxs, I was just about to order a BT-338 and am now having second thoughts.... Any chance of an in depth review of the Nemerix (including a tete-a-tete with the BT338) please, please, please......

PS Sorry if this is OT.
PSII Perhaps you could include an area in the forum where people could request specific reviews?
gpspassion Posted - 07 juin 2006 : 11:24:54
Well it's the iBlue with the v4 firmware, not sure when it's coming out. The iBlue is reviewed elsewhere on the site.

I did some more testing, logging the position every 30 minutes as I was hoping it would go in some kind of "push to fix" mode for extended use, but it only turned off Bluetooth and I was able to log 34 points so that's about 17 hours of battery life, still an improvement over the original 11 hours.

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maxs Posted - 07 juin 2006 : 09:46:06
Each device has advantages:

Wintec WBT-200 - has very nice feature to log position in stand-alone mode (without PDA) and export log to Google Earth. And USB support.

BT-338 - long bettery life and better satellite tracking (doesn't loose satellites in bad invirement) thanks to Sirf III.

Nemerix - better accuracy.

Certainly I would like to have all three device capabilities in one :)
By the way what is Nemerix v4 based iBlue in your testing? Could you give a reference to this device?
gpspassion Posted - 06 juin 2006 : 23:57:00
This is OT here, but it depends on what you need, for accuracy, Nemerix certainly seems to have taken the lead based on my testing.

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maxs Posted - 06 juin 2006 : 10:29:36
I thought that StarSirf III is the best chipset on the market now. Based on different reviews abd articles this chipset does not have competitors now.
But with your testing Nemerix v4 based iBlue shows better accuracy.
I confused, don't know what to beleive. StarSirf III is not best chipset anymore?

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