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hcornea Posted - 27 mai 2006 : 13:09:52


Australian Speed and Traffic Cameras


New collection


Manager : hcornea
Last Update : 01/12/2006
Number of POIs : 83
Coverage : Whole of Australia
Available Format(s) :GPX (Compatible Garmin POILoader 2.40 beta)
Download Link : hcornea_AustralianSpeedcams08.zip

Link : Australian Police - WA

Adding or updating a POI :

Posts here for additions/corrections for the Australian Speedcam file.

Please include

GPS Co-ordinates (digital degrees please, rather than Deg,Min,Sec)
Type of Cam (eg Redlight / Speed / Traffic)
Whats wrong - eg missing entry, wrong speed limit, etc

(Also: suggested alert distance, in metres, to be embedded in
the .GPX file)

Please include the name or location of both the correct location,
and the camera description in the file if you are correcting locations.

Be aware that there are Dummy cams out there, so try to be sure if
submitting an entry. (If it has issued a fine to you then it
probably is working ! )

Also: I am limiting this file to FIXED speedcams - mainly because
the GPS will drive us all nuts if it alerts to every possible spot a
cam could be.


54   L A T E S T    R E P L I E S    (Newest First)
passat2 Posted - 09 janv. 2008 : 22:33:16
Thanks for the info Revhead. Keep up the good work.
Revhead Posted - 09 janv. 2008 : 22:02:41
Hi guys,
I'm in the Blue Mountains outside Sydney.
Was travelling up Pennant Hills Rd the other day and noticed the red light camera at the corner of Parkes St and Pennant Hills Rd, Thornleigh isn't marked at all?
Other than that it's all good, apart from the fact that the warning you get seems to vary a great deal from almost none at all to more than 600 metres?

hcornea Posted - 31 déc. 2007 : 07:30:59
Hi John,

Feel free to tidy up the data, I don't have much time - so any enthusiasm and input is appreciated.

It would be great if there was a collaborative way to update the the information, like www.POIhandler.com - which allows an individual to administrate the list, and individuals to contribute.

If you wish to take over the list, I'd be happy for that.
passat2 Posted - 30 déc. 2007 : 21:51:05
Good stuff John. Keep up the good work.
Colin.
John Meara Posted - 30 déc. 2007 : 03:50:25
quote:
Originally posted by macnoodle

I, for one, would welcome this. So consider this a vote for "YES, go ahead".
Thanks macnoodle.

I tried emailing, but this site won't allow me to email other members?! Maybe I am still too much a newbie?

I have already done quite a bit of work on the QLD camera sites: I did my first big run a few days ago around Brisbane's southside using the camera sistes as Waypoints in a carefully thought out route to avoid backtracking. I found the following:
1. a few of the Red Light Camera sites did NOT exist,
2. NONE of the Speed Camera sites existed (it was pretty obvious most of these supposed speed sites were actually Red Light Camera sites, and the few others may have been old mobile camera sites.
3. A huge amount of duplication bewteen the speed and red light sites.

What I have found then (as expected): virtually ALL of the Speed Camera sites for QLD are wrong. As I said earlier, QLD has only recently legislated for FIXED speed cameras, of which there are only 3 current sites (2 already active). I also will add Traffic cameras and school zones where I pass them (into their respective files).

I have another couple of runs planned to cover the Northside of Brisbane and other locations.
Cheers
macnoodle Posted - 30 déc. 2007 : 00:04:20
quote:
Originally posted by John Meara
As I said, I am prepared to do a general tidy-up of the data if you/people want this. What do you think?
Cheers


Hi John,

I, for one, would welcome this. So consider this a vote for "YES, go ahead".
Revhead Posted - 29 déc. 2007 : 14:24:47
Greetings one and all,
Have just purchased a GPS device and am interested in what you are doing, both from a personal and professional point of view as a motoring journalist (one with a total dislike for these cameras).
Needed to convert the GPX info into SPUD format for my device (cheapo Logic Gear 350F which I understand is a rebadged Mio) and am yet to put it to the test.
I travel all over Australia (and overseas for that matter) as part of my work and will happily keep you posted on any new cameras that I come across.
John Meara Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 15:33:06
hcornea,
I have just reviewed the files in the downloaded Zip file:
  • Red-Light_Camera
  • Speed_Camera
  • Schools_40
  • Traffic_Camera
I am really pleased to get this information. You and others have done a great job. Now this may be premature, but I noticed the inconsistency in the naming etc. So I have a suggestion, or should I say offer....

I would like to tackle the job of sorting out the naming of (initially) all the individual Speed Camera locations, then later if I am up to it, all the Red Light Cameras. I would need your approval of the naming protocol first. Then make the changes, send the file to you for comment and any suggestions for fine tuning (if any).

I would propose a system for each POI/Waypoint as follows:

Name: SpeedCam####-100 :- where "SpeedCam" is common to ALL names, then #### is the numerical ID of each Waypoint (preferably 4 digits & from the current name if it has an ID), then -100 to signify a 100 kph speed zone for example (or -50, -60, -80,-110, etc, or could also be @50, @60, etc). If no specific ID tag for a location, then I'd create one consistent with that locality & type.

Symbol: Stay the generic black square, however I have a selection of camera icons that may be worth considering for inclusion as alternative BMPs for the POI_Loading process.

Comments: I would make this the field for describing the location and other additional info about this camera.

Categories: If members thought it a good idea, I could make each Waypoint a specific “Category”, so all these cameras show up in a different layer of your mapping. Not too sure about this element of the idea though.

Here's an example. the top half of the image shows the old protocol, the bottom half shows one proposal for renaming:



The general benefits of this task as I see it are:
1. That the warning that flashes up across the top of screen starts with "SpeedCam" and includes the speed, without being cluttered by other location data.
2. The Waypoints/POIs and GPX files become easier to track and manage.

As I said, I am prepared to do a general tidy-up of the data if you/people want this. What do you think?
Cheers
John Meara Posted - 20 déc. 2007 : 03:52:38
Good to hear from you and thanks for the answers. Where are you based?

The Qld Government has this year legislated for fixed speed cameras, and the first 2 of 3 are now operational. They are as follows:

The first (I initially called it Camera0802-60)
Type: Fixed speed camera
Coords: S27.47184 E153.03552
Location: Main Street (Northbound), Kangaroo Point.
(Brisbane - southern approach to Story Bridge)
Speed limit: 60 kph

The second (I initially called it Camera0358-100)
Type: Fixed speed camera
Coords: S27.16640 E152.98004
Location: Bruce Hwy (Northbound), Burpengary
Speed limit: 100 kph

There does not appear to be any indication yet on the brand of fixed cameras in use in Qld. A third will soon be located on our South East Freeway, with no doubt by the public that many more will follow in coming years. They use the same system of signage as in NSW to warn motorists on approach to the camera site.

The new laws also mean that all the existing QLD sites on your list are NOT fixed speed cameras. Given their locations, most look on paper to be Red Light cameras, or maybe a few old mobile speed camera locations. I'll start doing a reconnoitre of the existing listed (red light?) local Brisbane sites first, then expect the further out sites will be checked as I pass them.
Cheers
John
hcornea Posted - 19 déc. 2007 : 22:40:59
Hi John,

I switched to gpx format, because it is now supported by POI Loader (later versions). The format the file comes in can be used to load directly into POILoader.

The advantage of GPX (see some of the Victorian cams) is that you can use distance radii, set independent of the speed attribute (these will display as a red ring on mapsource) and can be set in the waypoint properties. This reduces false alarms.

You are correct - the bizarre numbering reflects the sources from which these have been compiled.

You are now officially the man on the ground in Brisbane ... so feel free to advise re deletion / new cams. I think FIXED cameras is more useful for the database.

I have tended to use correct geographic location, then sometimes modified it to improve function in the GPS, and minimise false alarms on adjacent roads (eg a 60kmh camera adjacent to a freeway)

Some are incorrectly labelled Speed or RLC or dual when they are not.

Sorry the file hasn't been updated for a while - work is running (ruining?) my life at present!
passat2 Posted - 18 déc. 2007 : 21:59:08
Thanks for you interest in Brisbane Speed cameras John. I and I know others will appreciate your input.
John Meara Posted - 17 déc. 2007 : 15:23:24
I have just registered. I have a couple of new fixed camera locations for Brisbane (our State's first fixed speed cameras - more to follow!). Before I submit them, a couple of questions:

1. This may be a bit picky, but do you prefer the location to be:
a) accurate for the camera, where the pole it sits on is actually located beside the road? or
b) the position on the road adjacent to the camera, or
c) the spot up the road a few metres where it is looking? or
d) Anywhere in close proximity (we-don't-really-care-about-being that-accurate location)?

2. What are the numbering systems you are using? Are they based on the old source files of various types, like from the Garmin site?

3. The "speed camera" file I downloaded (*8.zip) shows locations for inner Brisbane and none of these are "fixed" speed cameras. So are they sites where "mobile" cameras have been spotted? (or maybe they are red light?) Thoughts?

4. hcornea, you supply these as GPX files (with accompanying sound and icons), suggesting we load them directly into Mapsource. I also like have CSV files (with accompanying MP3 & BMP files). This way I can edit the source data in other ways and upload into my Zumo using POI-Loader. Any chance you are also maintaining a CSV file?

FYI, in a previous life I was a Cartographer and so am very interested in mapping and the GPS, playing for hours late at night with MapSource ;- I've had a Garmin Zumo 550 on our ST1300 for 12 months and we toured for 5 months (May to Sep 07) around the UK and western Europe covering 22,000 km. The trip and the GPS were brilliant.

Cheers
vtecman Posted - 28 nov. 2007 : 02:54:49
Doesnt garmin.com.au give you a file of red light/speed cameras and other alerts??
awp Posted - 07 oct. 2007 : 01:45:12
Thanks,
I'll be waiting
hcornea Posted - 29 août 2007 : 09:54:09
Thanks - think my subscription might have expired to this thread!?

Sorry I haven't been on for a while (busy!)

I've added these into the collection of speedcams and will post soon.
passat2 Posted - 20 juil. 2007 : 00:12:11
A new variable speed camera, 40/60km per hour, on the Pacific Highway at Lindfield Sydney. It is near the corner of Grosvenor Rd and the Pacific highway near Lindfield primary school.

The coordinates are 151.17007 x -33.78109 (WSG 48 - Lat/Long hdddd.ddddd)

I am driving from NSW to WA in September and would appreciate any updates / advise re speed cameras. Thanks.
macnoodle Posted - 21 avr. 2007 : 19:10:18
Hello everyone,

Ian, your database is the best I found so far, so count me in as one who will contribute when I find things that are not currently listed. I think we all need to chip in,since the speed camera locations are growing all the time...

I travel a fair bit all around NSW, so hopefully I will save someone some money.

Thanks for all your efforts so far, ladies and gents, and please - keep it up!
passat2 Posted - 20 janv. 2007 : 04:54:57
Just back from a trip to Sydney.

Some info re the following 2 north bound F3 expressway speed cameras about 6k north of the Hawkesbury river bridge.

CN38Speed Cam F3 North 2 MtW@90 S33.48776 E151.18402
and
Speedcam_A6_F3_unverif_May06 S33.49653 E151.18728

Both of these cameras are in a variable speed zone. They are about 1k apart. Very tricky.

The speed limit is 100k on dry days and 90k in the wet. I will set my alarm to 100k as most days are dry. Maybe 95k would be a compromise.

I do not know if these speed cameras are variable or set to 100k. Any out there have any ideas?
passat2 Posted - 16 janv. 2007 : 22:07:00
Thanks for the POIs hcornea.
I have noticed in some POI database there is a red-light camera noted at one or both of the following locations in Belmont NSW.

Re: 185-RLC252-Merleview-St-&-Pacific-Hwy-Belmont-Newcastle-nsw: S33.03195
E151.66088. There is no red-light camera at this location. Pass this location most
days.

Re: 186-RLC12-Pacific-Hwy-&-Maude-St-Belmont-Newcastle-nsw: S33.03353 E151.66094.
There is a south bound red light camera at the Maud St location.

Keep up the good work.
jlb Posted - 13 janv. 2007 : 09:40:18
Hi hcornea,

I copied your file in a protected directory and updated your first post.

Jean
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hcornea Posted - 13 janv. 2007 : 08:49:57
Thanks to passat2 for contributions

version 08 file now available for download
hcornea Posted - 13 janv. 2007 : 04:25:41
Updated file.

Renamed some Vic RLC DRLC, Speedcams positions updated for Hume Fwy

Custom wav sounds added for school zones, RLC, and Speedcams

http://www.gpspassion.com/upload/hcornea_AustralianSpeedcams7.zip
hcornea Posted - 03 déc. 2006 : 09:09:08
Haven't seen the Navigon systems, but I gather there are some running the software here. For that matter, haven't seen the Navteq maps.

I understand Navteq are using PSMA as a starting point, so the mapping is likely to be pretty good, but Sensis have got a bit of a head start - even though they're likely to continue to squander it by lack of investment in updating the maps. (POIs - not sure, would think sensis have a natural advantage in that area)
bholland30 Posted - 01 déc. 2006 : 01:49:00
Hi I am an aussie living in sweden and wondering if there are navigon systems in australia and poi software for speed cameras to put in it when I go home.
Navigon have new software called mn6 and with that I can have all europe maps and the new Navteq maps for australia when they come out.
Navteq much better than Sensis maps in oz.

THANKS FOR THE HELP
hcornea Posted - 19 août 2006 : 16:35:12
Thanks Paul_13.

Ive noted the buslane cam (estimated from your description).
ciprol Posted - 19 août 2006 : 16:00:58
Combined redlight/speed camera is rare here in NSW, hence the number of errors I am noticing. I'll try to take note of them and report back.
hcornea Posted - 19 août 2006 : 15:09:52
The lists started life as a single alert file..

When the files were separated, it is likely that a number of the files were allocated incorrectly. As a result of this, a number of red light cameras were listed as speed cameras.

Due to the advent of combined redlight and speed cameras, which appear to be proliferating in Victoria, it has been a difficult task to separate which of the entries are incorrect.

If you know the location, the best way is to open the GPX file using Mapsource, find the appropriate intersection and then note name of the entry.

I have tried to make the entries somewhat explanatory, but it is not always easy to work out which entry is in err.
ciprol Posted - 16 août 2006 : 07:58:53
Slight adjustment to a school zone next door...

School_40.cvs: Birchgrove Primary 151.17732, -33.85338

I also noted that there are quite a number of so called "Speedcams" listed although they are really just red light cameras. Did this list get combined with some other list that had the errors? It's kind of hard to locate these errors given that they don't have any location info associated with them.
Paul_13 Posted - 10 août 2006 : 10:20:30
Hi.
There are two bus lane cameras on Parramatta Rd, Broadway between Ross St and University Ave. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Australia&om=1&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.885514,151.186627&spn=0.006395,0.014645

hcornea Posted - 17 juin 2006 : 05:41:13
Done.

This must have been overloked when the RLCs were split from the Traffic Cams.
ciprol Posted - 16 juin 2006 : 11:16:34
Found another duplicate/error today.

Under Red Light camera:
151.20597, -33.86864 "289-rlc9-York-St-&-King-St-Syd-CBD-nsw"
There isn't a red light camera at this location. But a few metres off the centre of York/King St intersection is a known traffic camera monitoring the bus lane on York St. And this traffic camers is correctly located in your POI collection.

I have verified this both in person today.
ciprol Posted - 16 juin 2006 : 10:44:18
Oh, just on other GPS sites where Aussies gather.
gpspassion Posted - 16 juin 2006 : 02:20:29
There a few, check the worldmap on the front page ;-) But yes I was thinking of mentioned this POI collection on the portal this week-end, what "advertising" did you have in mind ?

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ciprol Posted - 15 juin 2006 : 23:47:18
I don't think there are too many Aussies here. We may need to do some advertising... Any objection to that?
hcornea Posted - 15 juin 2006 : 13:02:56
Thanks for that ... Speedcam_180 in Ultimo (gone).

Poses an interesting thing, I'd coded two Speedcam 180's!

(Keep 'em coming, and any other Aussies out there, add your two pence/cents worth too)
ciprol Posted - 14 juin 2006 : 14:09:46
quote:
Originally posted by hcornea

dependingon model, some of the red lights are Dual Speed and redlight (digital units).

I'll see if I can collaborate this.


I believe that may be the case for some high tech units. But this set I drove past today and many many times before is just a plain vanilla red-light camera.
hcornea Posted - 14 juin 2006 : 09:59:53
dependingon model, some of the red lights are Dual Speed and redlight (digital units).

I'll see if I can collaborate this.
ciprol Posted - 14 juin 2006 : 08:56:38
Just came across this today.

Speedcam 180 (E151.19861, S33.87783, "Speedcam180") appears to be incorrect in that it is not a speed camera but a red-light camera location. It also appears that it's a duplication of a separate entry under red light cameras. Speedcam 180 should be deleted unless there are other reasons.
hcornea Posted - 06 juin 2006 : 07:38:55
Load the GPX file into Mapsource.

I'm using City Navigator Australia 6.01, with Mapsource 6.10.
ciprol Posted - 05 juin 2006 : 10:40:42
What's the best way to overlay all these waypoints on a map? I find it extremely hard to review them by coordinate. My head isn't working right and I am just wondering if there's a quick way to visualize those locations, say on CN7 Australia in Mapsource?
hcornea Posted - 31 mai 2006 : 14:05:32
Thanks for those, added to the Schools_40 file (200m proximity)

Currently renaming/checking Victorian redlight cams as listed on April Press release from Vic Justice dept

RLC_Jxx - wet film type Red Light Cams
DRLC_Jxx - Digital Redlight/ Speed cams

- so far about 6 missing cams

remaining cams will be left on the list as unverified (haven't got to the other states)

All contributions welcome. Haven't worked out an upload schedule as yet. Current file remains pretty good.
ciprol Posted - 31 mai 2006 : 06:31:09
Ok, found two 40km/h school zones that's not marked in the list.

Anzac Pde E151.2211 S33.8929

Cleveland St E151.2197 S33.8939
ciprol Posted - 29 mai 2006 : 11:07:42
You just reminded me of the last ticket I received on that stretch of road. There are so many it's almost impossible to know where they are any more. I still don't know exactly how I got that ticket. I watched all the way and was careful in keeping down my speed. Still... What a dog!

So I would tend to believe what they've listed.

I think we need to get some more Aussies here in this forum... ;)
hcornea Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 15:26:45
OK - Found some locations on the F3.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f288/hcornea/f3cams.gif

Are all 3 present?
hcornea Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 14:19:10
Good ... 228 is gone. Others stay.

Put a 400m radius on 251, and I'll put a similar one on the other Mosman Camera round the corner.

WRT the rta site, I think most of those cams are on the list. The problem is Geocoding them, so if you see a cam - save the location on your favourites then upload it to the computer, then to the forum.

(The Pacific Hwy is pretty long!)
ciprol Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 14:13:09
Actually, that camera captures traffic in both directions. Very sneaky on a high gradient road where everyone has to brake going down or have to tightly limit ones' acceleration going up.

I just did a comparison on GoogleEarth. I believe it's Speedcam 228 that has been removed. I did not see that unit when I drove on that road last week. The other two on that stretch of road are still in place physically but just not sure if they are both active.

So yes, I'd say it's safe to scrap 228.

hcornea Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 12:28:58
Speedcams 228 942 and 251 are all on Spit Rd.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f288/hcornea/spitcams.jpg

www.Roadwatch.com.au has a Northbound cam matching number 251, but no others on that section

If they're being removed, it may be academic - or there may be cameras for each direction. Your call - but at present I'd retain 251, and scrap the other two.

(sigh) Come on Garmin ... directionality for POIs please.
ciprol Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 11:31:46
I note that there are two listing for Spit Rd in your file. And there's another speedcam 228 in close proximity. I am sure there are some duplication or need to be removed. Maybe someone living near there can verify. I know that when I drove on The Spit last week, it rang in duplicate. I am not due to go to that area of town for another 3 weeks at least.
hcornea Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 10:38:56
If that cam's gone now can you find its ID in the file, and the replacement on the F3 when that gets installed.
ciprol Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 10:36:07
For a start, this press release by NRMA may be relevant.

http://www.mynrma.com.au/2005_050503.asp

And a quick dig at RTA site, these came up.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/speedandspeedcameras/fixeddigitalspeedcameras/fixedspeedcameralocations/fixedspeedoutsyd.html

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/images/fixed_speed_camera_locations_in_sydney.gif
ciprol Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 10:33:45
Thinking off a tangent. I note that UBD, Gregories now all print out locations of these speed and red-light cameras in their maps. Is there an official list of all the cameras from some government agency? NRMA or RACV perhaps? With the capabilities of GoogleMaps, I'd think it would be easy to pick them off if we can find such a database.
hcornea Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 09:01:03
Thanks Ciprol,

The more input the better this list can be.

Since these cameras PRINT money, they are proliferating all the time!

The more that get added and the more up to date the list.
ciprol Posted - 28 mai 2006 : 01:20:53
Thanks for maintaining this, HCornea. I'm in Sydney and have so far not found any issue with your list within my relatively limited regular routes. But I'll continue to monitor and report back.
gpspassion Posted - 27 mai 2006 : 17:50:30
Did some formatting, they have some good looking speedcams in your neck of the woods! Also added Canada and Australia in the description here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/default.asp?CAT_ID=20 ;-)

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