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 [TOPIC] CoPilot Live Premium for iPhone - Testing

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way Posted - 07 août 2009 : 03:21:35
UPDATED 20110621 : New version announced, "CoPilot Live Premium", see details on page 2.
UPDATED 20100323 : Version 8.0.0.659 available with Google Local and Traffic Option, see details below.

UPDATED 20090815 - CoPilot Live is now available in North America for $34, likely with the proprietary ALK maps as all the other CoPilot based navigation systems since they were first launched in the early 00's. As seen in the various reviews on the portal over the years, these maps have some weak spots (the occasional non-connected roads) but are reliable overall.

UK and Europe only apps released to app store at a price of £25.99/£60. No indication yet of more extensive geo coverage. You can find it here:

North America
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324327451&mt=8

UK
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324592881&mt=8

Europe
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=324327454

quote:
Features include:
- Full spoken turn-by-turn voice directions
- Detailed street maps of UK and Ireland with full UK post codes stored on your iPhone
- Clear 3D and 2D driving views with SmartZoom™ speed-variable zoom and street names
- Navigate to a house number, street, intersection or address book contact
- Automatic portrait and landscape display switching
- Comprehensive multi-stop pre-trip planning and preview
- Route optimizer works out the best way around multiple stops
- Intelligent navigation provides guidance in tunnels and underpasses
- Automatic day/night mode
- Navigate to thousands of Points of Interest
- Lane indicator & CoPilot ClearTurn™ provides a more realistic view of motorway exits and junctions
- Real Signpost display matches real-life signs
- LiveLink™ location sharing and messaging: keep track of your CoPilot friends, live on-screen!
- Live 5 day weather forecast for your location or destination
- Roadside Assistance helps you contact your breakdown company and tell them your location
- Huge range of customization features to suit the way you travel
- Customized trip status displays, including eta, distance remaining and more
... and much more
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John R Posted - 10 juil. 2011 : 22:04:40
Just checked the App Store. USA version is available at a special one-week introductory price of $9.99.
gpspassion Posted - 23 juin 2011 : 04:06:11
Right, it's "coming soon".
paulkbiba Posted - 23 juin 2011 : 03:17:43
Not available in the Apps store yet.
gpspassion Posted - 22 juin 2011 : 02:47:51
ALK have just announced a new version of CoPilot for iPhone and it looks pretty exciting : new interface, tap & bend route customization, link to wikipedia. Apparently they're calling it "CoPilot Live Premium" : http://www.flickr.com/photos/copilotlive/sets/72157626958758724/

Rick762 Posted - 12 août 2010 : 14:46:55
Wow, that map is GIGANTIC! Great for us older folks.....never have a problem trying to read those tiny street names again. And yes, I still get the occasional weird routing suggestions on CoPilot too.

Just as an aside, there is a 2-part YouTube video showing a car audio installer who has made a custom iPad mount for his unit. I think it is in a 2009 Toyota Highlander and he has removed the stock radio and fabricated a mount that you slide the iPad into. It fits perfectly in between the 2 air vents, holds the iPad securely and you can quickly remove the device when you exit the vehicle. Really well done and actually looks stock.

As I have mentioned before, I primarily use my iPhone and CoPilot as a backup because I have an in-dash JVC unit as my primary unit. Well, this past weekend my JVC unit started to act up and as far as I can tell, it's a short somewhere on the circuit board. So I had to pull it out and send it in to the Doctor. So as of Monday I have been using CoPilot as my primary setup.

Today I will be taking a 500 km trip and will be using my iPhone and Magellan car kit to stand in for the JVC. I have my BlackBerry 9700 connected to the Magellan car kit via bluetooth for phone calls and my iPhone connected to my factory stereo via 3.5 mm cable for music and navigation instructions. It took about 30 seconds to set up. It's always good to have a Plan B!
gpspassion Posted - 12 août 2010 : 01:11:43
Not exactly the iPhone version but the iPad version has to be close enough and I have some feedback after driving around the SF Bay Area for a week. The graphics are really nice and I've found a decent place to put the iPad...as long as I don't take sharp turns :



I got a 3G AT&T microSIM for my iPad too so I can look up addresses easily, a big plus compared to my "unconnected" nuvi 3790T.

Unfortunately there are three big problems :

1. It doesn't display any speed limits, which is a big handicap here where many large streets have a 25mph speed limit

2. The routes are often "funny", you get there eventually but more often than not it doesn't appear to be the best or fastest route. Case in point, driving 4 miles on a road limited to 25/35 vs 3 miles on a freeway and 1 on that same road.

3. Quite a few roads are incomplete and that's really surprising after using Navteq and TeleAtlas maps in Europe for years. It hasn't put me in a fix so far, but that's certainly made me lose confidence and I'm glad I have the nuvi 3790T on the windshield.
motif1 Posted - 01 juin 2010 : 13:56:04
Rick762, thanks for testing that. I guess there is slow speed and then slow speed. Maybe it's something they all have a problem with, and I've seen complaints about Sygic for losing its function at slow speed. I haven't personally seen it for either Sygic or Navigon on iPhone at very slow (walking). But Copilot on winmo walking definitely has a problem with this, at least in my hands. The problem is that it freezes with the red arrow showing, not even the red stop sign, so you don't have any indication that the whole thing stopped working and you have to re-start the program. Other than that I like the program including the clean map graphics, and the good itinerary pre-planning. But I wonder why some people have such a problem with this, and others not.
gpspassion Posted - 24 mai 2010 : 23:27:23
Seems to be the way it should behave, "slow speed" use has always been a problem on GPS systems as you have to find a compromise between high sensitivity (i.e. it give you a position) and accuracy (i.e. you don't want the position to be too far off). This was discussed in detail in the SiRFdemo tutorial (static navigation) article back in the day, particularly "4. STATIC NAVIGATION".

The problem is made far worse on smartphones that have tiny GPS antennas and tons of potential RF interference (screen, GSM, UMTS, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc...). Not much can be done really apart from adding sensors like the compass/accelerometer.
Rick762 Posted - 24 mai 2010 : 15:06:59
I was sitting down at the lake having my morning coffee when I read your post regarding slow speed navigating so, I thought I would give it a try. I generally do not use the pedestrian mode so I thought this would be a good opportunity to try it out anyway.

I went into settings and changed it from Automobile to Pedestrian first, then I used Live Search to select a destination that I knew was about .5 kms from where I was parked. I then clicked Go and the first thing I noticed was that the screen was zoomed out further than normal. My 500 meter route was only about 1.5 inches long on the screen. So I clicked on the '+' icon twice to get it so my route now took up most of the length of the screen.

The next thing I noticed was, instead of the red circle icon showing my current position, it was a little red stop sign. Cool as I have never seen this until now. Another thing I noticed is that there is also a green dotted line showing an "as the crow flies" line to your destination. I guess that is for if you want to cut through parking lots and green spaces. Anyway, as soon a I started to walk (about 3 steps) the stop sign turned into the arrow and off I went. As I progressed, the arrow moved very slowly along the green highlighted route with me. However, I did notice that every couple of minutes the red arrow would turn back into the stop sign, even though I was still moving. But this only lasted 1-3 seconds and when it returned back to the arrow, it would move forward along my route to reflect where I was. This transition did NOT freeze the program or my iPhone though.

Next I decided to try it back in the truck at slow speed so I cleared the route, changed it back to Automobile in the settings and set my destination to Home. I purposely then drove for about 2 kms at speeds between 5-40 kph and never once did the red arrow stop moving or change back to the red circle as it does when I come to a complete stop.

Also, I should qualify my findings by saying that since my last post I have purchased the Magellan Car Kit. So the results of my test were based on two different set-ups. Hand-held iPhone 3GS for Pedestrian mode and docked in the Magellan Car Kit for Automobile mode.

And just as an aside, two thumbs up for the Magellan Car Kit. While it is a little pricey, I believe that it is money well spent if you want to utilize your iPhone to its fullest extent. For me it is a perfect solution to use in rental cars when I travel.

I hope this helps.
motif1 Posted - 24 mai 2010 : 13:52:50
DOES COPILOT IPHONE STOP NAVIGATING AT SLOW SPEED?

This is a common criticism of Copilot on the appstore reviews, including at least one person who said it was useless in pedestrian mode for that reason. I am inclined to believe the criticisms because I have current Copilot 8 on a win mobile phone, and in pedestrian mode I see frequent "freezing" where the arrow no longer moves. You have to exit and restart the program, then it resumes OK.

However I'm struck by the lack of the slow-speed criticism in this forum. Do people here see this on iPhone, freezing of navigation at speeds less than ~30km/h, or walking? If not, what's different here from the appstore complainers? If yes, do you find it OK to just live with it?

Otherwise, I like Copilot on my winmo phone, graphics are great, integration with POIs is good (can call POI from navigating, not possible with iPhone Navigon), can advance plan a route (barely possible in Navigon), and abundant and useful settings (unlike Navigon). I would consider it on iPhone if it didn't have the same slow-speed freezing problem that it has on winmo.
Rick762 Posted - 08 avr. 2010 : 21:33:57
Just a small update:

I have spent about a week now traveling and comparing this app with my built-in JVC unit. I still haven't had the time to customize the routing preferences yet so I am still running in the default mode, with the one exception being that I changed from Economic to Quickest. And, although I haven't bought the Magellan (or TomTom) car kit yet, I have been using a generic windshield mount and because of this I have noticed a slight increase in accuracy. Prior to this I had my iPhone sitting in a generic cell phone holder which is mounted on my dash between my radio and air vent.

So far I would have to say that I am impressed with the results. While the calculated routes between the two have been, for the most part different, the differences have been very minor. On short trips or long trips the differences tend to be on subdivision-type roads rather than highways and secondary roads. So, if you are in an area that you are familiar with and decide not to make that turn, the recalculation is fast and you won't miss a beat. And even if you are somewhere you are not familiar with, it will get you there nonetheless.

Most of this testing took place within about 60 miles of Toronto. Next week I will be heading to Northern Ontario and will have a better opportunity to test the routing in some of the smaller population centres.

To address John R's preference of what information he likes to see on the screen while navigating, the information bar at the bottom of the screen is completely customizable. It can be set to show one item or two items at a time or, it can be set to scroll through the complete list. When set for one item or two, your choices are: Destination, Current Road, Next Crossroad, Nearest Town, Estimated Time of Arrival, Estimated Travel Time, Speed, Distance Remaining, Altitude, Latitude/Longitude and Heading.

Also, there is a pretty good review over on iLounge. Keep in mind that this was posted before the last couple of updates so most, if not all, of the negative issues have been fixed with these updates (especially the registration process that went very smoothly and quickly for me).

[url]http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/alk-technologies-copilot-live-8-north-america//url]

More to come......
Rick762 Posted - 29 mars 2010 : 19:46:05
Although I can't confirm this from my personal experience, I think I would agree. This is the first version of CoPilot I have tried and I must admit that I was more than a little hesitant to try it after reading so many negative posts on the earlier versions. But I have since read many positive posts about this version from others and in particular, that the maps are much improved, both in the US and Canada. And, if this is indeed the case, then that may also lend itself to calculating better routes.

I will be on the road for a couple of days this week and should have an opportunity to do some route planning. I will try to do a comparison with my JVC unit running Navteq maps. And perhaps if I get a chance this weekend, I will also try a comparison with my Sony unit (also running Navteq) and Garmin Mobile XT running on my HTC Fuze.
John R Posted - 29 mars 2010 : 18:54:41
Knowing the ETA and distance to the next maneuver or final destination are most important to me even though the roads may be familiar. Being able to mold a route, even though it may not be the best or optimum or fastest, is a must. As the TomTom program only allows one intermediate stop, this is sometimes impossible. I find TomTom picks better routes "out of the box" in some cases, CoPilot in others.

It seems like, with these latest releases of CoPilot, there has been a quantum leap in the quality of their USA maps. Has anyone else noticed that, or is it just my imagination?

gpspassion Posted - 24 mars 2010 : 11:49:43
Yes these are all good features and they've had them for years, but I've spent some time fixing the average speeds to get better routes and better ETA, and it's still not giving the same good results on average than the Garmin, Navigon and TomTom based systems are getting "out of the box" so that's a problem they need to work on, especially for an app that runs on such a mainstream device as the iPhone.
Rick762 Posted - 24 mars 2010 : 01:17:45
Well it's interesting that you say that because this version of CoPilot (at least here in North America) has a feature called Routing Profiles. The function of this feature is to allow the user to further customize how the routing engine plots a particular route.

Part of this feature is similar to many other competitive programs, allowing you to set for Automobile, RV, Motorcycle, Walking etc., as well as Quickest, Shortest, Economic and allows to avoid Ferries, Toll Roads etc. However, when you drill down deeper in the Menu (Settings -> Show More Settings) it allows you to either customize an existing Routing Profile or Create a New Profile.

Once in this sub-menu, you can choose different settings for each type of road (Strongly Avoid, Avoid, Neutral, Favour, Strongly Favour) and also set your preferred speed for each type of road. It also has further settings for Toll Roads (Use, Avoid if Possible, Always Avoid) and a detail setting for Congestion Zones (Avoid, Allow or Warn).

I read one review sometime last week where the reviewer said, once he had a chance to customize these settings for the way he liked to travel, the routing engine planned routes that were much better than what he was getting with the default settings. Unfortunately, I have not had an opportunity to play around with these settings yet but I am looking forward to trying several different profiles.

Of course, another option is, once you have planned the route, you can review the itinerary turn by turn and then if you don't believe this is the most efficient route, you can just hit Menu -> Detour -> Alternate Route and the program will choose another route for you to look at. Or, hit Menu -> Detour -> Avoid Roads if you just want to change the chosen roads one at a time.

And one feature that I really like is Optimizing Stops. Once you have entered a trip with more than 3 stops, this feature will automatically reorder your stops in the most efficient manner. By default it will not change your start and end points but if you want, you can choose for it to include the end point when it reorders the stops.
gpspassion Posted - 23 mars 2010 : 22:38:08
Thanks for sharing and for reposting here.

I'm also quite happy with the latest version of CoPilot for the iPhone, the new LIVE features, the built-in Google Local search and the optional Traffic information via Inrix (at least in Europe) are a must for a connected device like the iPhone.

The issue I have is with the routes it picks though. It's normal for a GPS system to not always pick the optimal route a local person would take, but over the years the likes of Garmin, Navigon and TomTom have made some great progress in that area by almost always offering routes that make sense. Unfortunately the side by side testing I performed on Sunday with CoPilot for iPhone showed it picked odd routes (a mix of long routes to catch the motorway when there was a four lane road with less mileage, then staying on a two lane road instead of using a 4 lane+motorway combo) compared to the others and didn't offer a new route after I went off course, stubbornly trying to take me back on its original route. It's not specific to the iPhone version because I've seen similar problems on the Android version.

I don't think it's map related since TomTom use TeleAtlas and Garmin and Navigon use Navteq like CoPilot in Europe. I suspect it's down to the way their routing engine works and that's never easy to fix...
Rick762 Posted - 23 mars 2010 : 21:17:08
CoPilot Live for the iPhone has recently been updated to version 8.0.0.659. I downloaded and installed it yesterday for primary use in Canada. I have previously used many stand-alone units and 3 different flavours for Windows Mobile. Currently running Garmin Mobile XT on an HTC Fuze.

Once I have had a chance to play around a bit with CoPilot Live I will post my impressions and try to answer any questions you might have. My initial impression is good so far as it is perhaps one of the most customizable nav programs I have used. Because of this, I have heard there are some that believe the menu system is too complicated. Personally, I prefer that it is highly customizable and once you learn the menu system, it should be no problem.

What I like so far:
1) program starts and obtains signal lock quickly (approx. 10 seconds)
2) menu and interface is fast (no lag)
3) more customization then anything else I have used to date
4) built-in ipod interface is very good
5) music volume lowers when directions spoken then increases again
6) program auto re-starts and resumes after a phone call
7) routing appears to be pretty good (where I have tried it so far)
8) shows route list that you can manipulate if necessary
9) auto-calculate route with more than 3 stops
10) detour complete route or individual roads
11) live search and weather included in base program
12) live traffic and gas prices available for $20/yr
13) base price for US & Canada is very good ($35 CAD)
14) when destination is reached, option to save or return to origin
15) TTS advises if destination is on right or left
16) shows next 2 turns on screen
17) very fast re-routing when missing a turn
18) routing via contacts is excellent

What I dislike so far:
1) screen is a little busy (but has a full-screen button)
2) only one TTS voice (Frank)
3) voice hard to hear from iPhone speaker if you have music on (but good if you plug it in to your car stereo with 3.5 mm cable)
4) accuracy sometimes jumps around a bit (more to do with GPS chip than the software)
5) due to above, sometimes when you reach your destination, it does not automatically "reset" or cancel that route (but I'm sure it's something I'm missing in the menu)
6) Quick Stop feature doesn't seem to work (see below)

Anyway, I will continue to experiment with it and update this when I learn more. In the meantime, I will try to answer any questions you might have.

Also, as a side note, the primary reason I bought this program is to use in rental cars when I travel. And for this reason I will most likely be ordering the Magellen Car Kit sometime in the near future. Therefore, I would expect that any issues to due with accuracy will improve when using the car kit.

Update: Tried a couple more things while I was out at lunch. Routing via Contacts on your iPhone appears to be excellent. I only tried about 10 while I was out but it is fast. When you click on the Contacts icon, a new window opens with a text box at the top, a partial list of your first 4-5 contacts and a keyboard in the bottom 2/3 of the screen. You can either scroll through the list on the right with your finger or start typing letters into the text box. As you type, the list on the right changes based on the letters you type. Once your contact is located, just click on it and a new screen opens with the contact details (name, address, phone number). Then just click the Go button and the route is calculated.

Note: The manual says, "You may need to enter the city, street name and house number of your contact if CoPilot Live doesn not recognize the address).

However, the first 10 I tried worked without a problem. I have heard of others having problems but I suspect it may be the way the information is formatted. I have over 3,000 contacts on my iPhone and they are all synced from Outlook to MobileMe and then to my phone.

On the downside, I tried the Quick Stop feature and it did not want to work. The Quick Stop feature is used when you already have a route programmed in but want to stop en route for gas or food etc. You tap the Quick Stop button then select what you are looking for and the app is supposed to do a local live search of say all the gas stations near you. You can then view it as a list or in a map view to select which one you want. Unfortunately, once I had selected Gas Stations, the list screen appeared but there was nothing in the list but a rotating set of dots which appeared to be searching. Sometimes if I left it long enough, a window would pop up and say "Nothing Was Found" and another time it actually crashed the application altogether. I will check with support on this.

You can add another stop though by clicking on the Plan or Edit Trip Button, then Add Stop, then select POI etc. but this is a few more steps.

UPDATE:

The Quick Stop feature is now working for me. I'm not sure what happened but when I tried it this morning, it worked fine. I did use Live Local Search before trying it again so perhaps that cleared the cobwebs.

I am still wrestling with the completed route situation though. Once you have arrived at your destination and the voice announces this, a window pops up and gives you 2 options. The first is to return to your original starting point and the second is to enter a new destination. However, if you do not want to do either of these and just close the window, your original destination stays programmed in and as you drive away it tries to get you to go back to the point you just left. The only way I have found to eliminate this is to physically go into Menu -> Plan/Edit Trip -> Clear.

I am not sure if this is another affect of the not so stable GPS signal though because once you have arrived at your destination and even after the voice announces it, your vehicle location appears to be several feet away from the destination flag. Perhaps this is the reason the the route is not automatically cleared.

On the positive side, and perhaps one of the more compelling reasons I decided to purchase this program, is frequent map/program updates...for free. Here is an excerpt from the app store description:

"Our exclusive MapSure™ service provides free monthly map improvement downloads directly to your iPhone and free quarterly full map updates of the US and Canada (Details on how to report a map update below)"

"*****REPORT A MAP UPDATE: We are continuously working to enhance ALK’s Digital Maps™ to provide the best possible navigation experience. You can help us improve specific areas more quickly by reporting changes and recommending updates here: http://www.alk.com/mapsure
We commit to verify reported map improvements and add them to your map within 45 days."

I realize there has been a lot of criticism from people saying that they shouldn't have to assist the company in providing a better product...it should already be there when they buy it, however, these are usually the same people that complain that companies don't listen to their customers. Personally, I think MapSure is a great part of ALK's company service and I welcome the opportunity to participate in providing new information for a better product.

And lastly, here are the items that have been rolled out in the latest CoPilot Live for iPhone update:

What's New in Version 8.0.0.618

#9658; Local Search as standard. With integrated local Internet search you can easily find the nearest product, service, brand, store or just about anything you need.

#9658; Full updated street maps of the US and Canada.

#9658; Lane Assist & ClearTurn™ for improved guidance and a more realistic display at complex intersections.

#9658; Update your Facebook status. Now you can share your journey with your friends with in-app Facebook status updates, including where you are, where you are going and even what you’re listening to.

#9658; Adjustable volume settings. One of our most requested features, now you can choose to mute or dim music during voice directions.
JakeRich Posted - 11 janv. 2010 : 04:09:15
Maps in the US are very much out of date. I am purchasing a 5 year old home but the entire neighborhood is missing from Copilot. I posted the error on their website and received an email that said the update would be out within 45 days. It's now been 4 months, they've released two map "updates" and still the community is missing.

Not worth the money I spent on it.
caryrae Posted - 27 nov. 2009 : 16:08:20
For anyone interested the Co-Pilot app is now at $19.99.
paulkbiba Posted - 17 oct. 2009 : 16:12:34
SwissFreek, I wonder if you have an iPhone problem. I have no crashes with any of the software i've tried and no problem with adding, deleting or updating any app, including the GPS ones. I'm running a 3G.
SwissFreek Posted - 17 oct. 2009 : 05:15:44
The new update with TTS is quite nice. I don't really have any complaints about the map quality. TTS works nicely, and for some reason, every now and then I see road sign alerts at the top of the screen. It only happened on the New Jersey Turnpike that I noticed (guess that makes sense if they are from Princeton).

One thing I've noticed, though, is that with the latest update, when I get a route set up, at the bottom of the screen, where it would show the ETA, it has the little progress bar that says "Calculating Route", despite the fact that the route is calculated and displayed on the map, and it alerts and displays upcoming turns and such. So it's done calculating, but the progress bar doesn't go away. Anyone else having this problem?

I'm also curious how much better all these apps are on a 3GS vs my 3G. So far I've tried a few, and by and large they work, but none of them really work well enough to make me want to use the iPhone as my primary nav device. There's lots of crashes and other quirks involved for me. That and the headache of actually getting the apps onto the device. It usually takes me two or three tries to get the app to install, and when I update, I usually have to delete the application first, and then reinstall it from scratch, or the iPhone will think it doesn't have enough space, or the transfer crashes.
gpspassion Posted - 19 sept. 2009 : 18:51:50
Thanks for reposting here.

It's a bit ironic they would mention the map updates if they are getting panned for the poor quality of their "in house" maps. I think they should switch to Navteq in the US since they already use them in Europe. They've had a good run with their maps, in fact they were the first to have detailed coverage in the US as early as 2001, but I don't think they have the ressoures to compete with Navteq or TeleAtlas these days.
klopus Posted - 19 sept. 2009 : 18:47:31
With live traffic CoPilot beat everybody including Navigon to the punch with immediate availability yesterday Sept 19. ALK just announced Premium Services across all regions for $19.99 per year. To be fair one time Navigon's fee seems to be lifetime (whatever this means). Besides other goodies CoPilot's Premium Services also include live POI search (something Navigon didn't announce) and I believe custom POIs. To top it off they promised free quarterly map updates and web page for users to enter their own map corrections. And CoPilot is still $35. Here's the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS143366+18-Sep-2009+BW20090918

Granted in US, as opposed to EU, CoPilot has quite a few bad reviews on the AppStore mainly due to dismal maps which as I understand aren't Navteq or TeleAtlas sourced. Quite a paradox that CoPilot has inferior maps in US considering that they are located in Princeton, New Jersey.
gpspassion Posted - 29 août 2009 : 14:15:54
Yes, like I wrote above, no reason to think they've stopped using their proprietary maps in the US.

I was just sent a test version of the European version and so far I like what I'm seeing, it's the first iPhone GPS app that has all the features of the Windows Mobile version out of the box, including some "connected services" (upddating your position on a website, messaging with another unit or with someone on a web browser), but traffic is greyed out for now.

Here are few screenshots :





klopus Posted - 28 août 2009 : 20:40:47
I think CoPilot brag on their site that EU maps are Navteq but are mum about origin of their US maps. Judging by prevailing negative reviews on iTunes about CoPilot US map quality I doubt they use Navteq. Otherwise for $35 CoPilot would've been no brainer.
SwissFreek Posted - 28 août 2009 : 18:28:40
I thought in the not-too-distant past that ALK used Navteq in Europe but uses proprietary maps in the US, hence the lacking features on the US version such as lane guidance and realistic road signs, which are found on the European version. I think when CoPilot 7 was the current version, their website used to list in the details of the maps that the US version was ALK maps, but the European version was Navteq.
gpspassion Posted - 15 août 2009 : 17:02:00
Not sure what you're replying to, but yes iPhone apps using the location engine can get a position from triangulation, but you can't navigate with that, it's just coarse positionning that can come in handy to locate a nearby point of interest.
ve7mdt Posted - 15 août 2009 : 13:49:13
I think some apps can use the triangulation data, and thus similar to the Map app (on iPhone factory), and others cannot. I don't know what the difference is for developers in terms of the 2 kinds of data though. So those apps that don't use the triangulation data, must wait for the GPS receiver to get a true fix, but the iPhone probably has a tiny GPS antenna, and that is not helping.

(iPhone 3G / 3GS uses both WiFi and cellular towers for triangulation, not just cellular).
gpspassion Posted - 15 août 2009 : 10:31:29
Done.

Maps are likely the proprietary ALK maps as on all the other CoPilot based navigation systems in North America since they were first launched in the early 00's. As seen in the various reviews on the portal over the years, these maps have some weak spots (the occasional non-connected roads) but are reliable overall.
klopus Posted - 15 août 2009 : 08:19:50
Perhaps title of this thread should be updated. Since Aug 13 CoPilot Live NA is also available on iTunes for relatively miserly $34.00 and it even includes TTS.

So far whole lot of 18 reviews are rather positive. Page also lists future "updates" which seem more like euphemism for bug fixes: QWERTY keyboard (now ABCD keyboard), "Improved GPS performance" (probably now it sucks), "Smart call handling" (probably now it can't recover correctly from the call), "Improved initial activation" (either long satellite acquisition or bugs in map activation), "Dial a POI" (weak iPhone integration). Sorry for being cynical :) On a bright side real-time traffic is coming but only as "Premium extra" (more money I guess).

Anybody knows if CoPilot normally uses Navteq or TeleAtlas for NA?
gpspassion Posted - 07 août 2009 : 20:37:45
Yes, the more, the merrier ! Didn't know Europe was already available, it was UK only yesterday.

As with the other iPhone apps the question is how well it will deal with the weak GPS positionning of the iPhone, Sygic for instance does well, Navigon not so much.

What's new here are the Live services, which makes sense for a connected device like the iPhone, that really is a big letdown for the other GPS apps so far. No traffic though which is the type of "live" info we really need.

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