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 [TOPIC] Garmin nuvifone: it's over (10/2010)

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gpspassion Posted - 31 janv. 2008 : 02:50:05
UPDATED 20101026 : the garminasus partnership is over see details in the News forums.
UPDATED 20100509 - The nuvifone A10 with Android was launched in Paris on May 6th, see details and pictures on page 9.

Updated 02/2010 : Garmin demonstrated the new M10 and A50 nuvifones at the MWC 2010 show in Barcelon last week and I was quite impressed by the A50, very sleek form factor, bright screen, Android Ecosystem, details and pictures on page 8

Updated October 8th : The first US reviews of the nuvifone are dreadful...it seems Garmin are paying a steep price for being 21 months late, after spending quite a bit of time with the nuvifone today at the official European launch I'm beginning to think it's not quite fair. That review is certainly well written, but frankly the "if it had had its debut in 1999" comment is totally uncalled for, had the nuvifone been available in 01/2008 when the the iPhone had no GPS, no 3G and no Appstore, everyone would have been all over it.

My Specific comments :

1. The screen : yes, not capacitive, but for a GPS a matte finish is better and I tried it next to my iPhone and frankly it reacts almost just as well.

2. Yes, it's not a very clever Smartphone, and Garmin don't call it a Smartphone by the way, how big of a problem is that? My iPhone's email client annoys me so much, I read and reply to email using http://mail2web.com/pda/ - the nuvifone will do that too.

3. Web browsing : yes you can't double-tap to zoom, ok so you have to click on +/- and then scroll, I can live with that, especially since it renders www.GpsPasSion.com very well ;-)

4. Price : yes, it's expensive and the extra monthly subscription is a bummer, the optional $25 car charger is a huge mistake (courtesy of AT&T is seems as it's bundled in Europe where it's sold as a standalone device for now).

5. The NYTimes review very justly talks about the stellar integration of GPS navigation. On all existing Smartphones it's an afterthought, especially on the iPhone, where the apps are expensive, have no connected services, and you need to buy a powered mount.

-> I wrote just above that I only consider using my iPhone as GPS guide as a backup, but if I owned a nuvifone I don't think I would have a problem using it as my main GPS.

-> To me the biggest problem is battery life, as on all smartphones. I need a phone I can rely on at all times, not a Smartphone that dies after two hours of (take your pick) 3G/WiFi/GPS. This is unacceptable to me and not very far from a "fraud", so I have an iPhone for "play" and an HTC Touch Dual as an advanced phone. Can't see the nuvifone replacing it with its 1200mAh battery that won't do any better than my iPhone if I walk around London and use it as a guide. The nuvi 255 did the job last year and when the batteries ran out, I could still call my wife and meet up.

@Jim1348 - I checked and the multiple destination routing is indeed available (one of the last icons in "where to") and also offer stop optimization.

Updated September 30th : Garmin nuviphone to finally launch in the US on October 4th, 2009 with AT&T, see the details on page 6.

Updated February 4th, 2009 : Garmin are "relaunching" the nuvifone with an industrial partner, Asus, details below and on page 3.
quote:
Cayman Islands and Taipei, Taiwan/February 4, 2009/Business Wire — Garmin Ltd. (NASDAQ: GRMN) and ASUSTeK Computer Inc. (TAIEX: 2357) today announced a strategic alliance that will leverage the companies' navigation and mobile telephony expertise to design, manufacture and distribute co-branded location-centric mobile phones. Garmin and ASUS have already begun joint development on a diverse mobile phone product line, which will be known as the Garmin-Asus nüvifone™ series. The companies expect to bring to market several Garmin-Asus nüvifone models in 2009, and a new Garmin-Asus nüvifone model will be announced at the Mobile World Congress trade show in Barcelona, Spain, February 16-19, 2009.


Posted 01/2008 : Source: Garmin US
Official videos :
http://www.youtube.com/v/qy9NCr_n0wE
http://www.youtube.com/v/YtD4USzpoLI

I think this is reaching myself : engagdget
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gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2010 : 22:52:37
Yes...or the Android forum, that might be a better idea since the A50 topic is there already ;-)
smiley1081 Posted - 02 déc. 2010 : 22:41:13
Wilco. Same forum?
gpspassion Posted - 02 déc. 2010 : 21:54:47
Sounds good, feel free to repost that and further comments/pictures in a new topic for the A10 as this original nuvifone one has a rather "sad" but factual title :-(
smiley1081 Posted - 02 déc. 2010 : 20:57:30
I can confirm, my new A10 has 2.1 loaded, and it's a blast!

The screen is really clear, and really bright.

I still have to connect it to the computer, as it is charging the battery from the mains, but I have already connected it to the Wi-Fi of the house, and I installed a couple of apps and saw the A10 ads from Youtube.

On the GPS side, it has found a four sats fix, even if the walls of my house are 75 cm thick, through the window.

The box contain the phone, the active car mount, the car charger, the micro-USB cable, a mains charger which uses the USB cable and a couple of mains plug adapters (European and UK), the usual Garmin dashboard disk, earplugs with microphone and a getting started manual.

I LOVE IT!
Jim1348 Posted - 02 déc. 2010 : 01:02:06
Here is the "official" scoop:

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Garminfone/Garminfone-2-1-update-is-available-now/td-p/584323

Garminfone 2.1 update is available now!
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12-01-2010 03:44 PM - last edited on 12-01-2010 04:16 PM by Moderator JaMi

Garminfone Android 2.1 Software Update

An Android 2.1 (“Éclair”) software update is available for Garminfone users today via download from a PC or Mac. This update provides Garminfone users with an expanded Android experience on their device, continuing the fully-integrated Garmin premium navigation experience.



This update delivers a number of new features, including:

* Expanded compatibility with applications on Android Market
* New preloaded widgets including Android Market, Phone, Picture Frame and YouTube
* The choice of two home screen layouts

Existing Garminfone layout

Four-panel Android layout (three customizable Android panels in addition to Garmin navigation panel)



This software update requires you to connect your Garminfone to your computer and follow the steps below to complete the update.





Copying .update file to your Garminfone

1. Download the software update package for your Garminfone which can be found here:
* http://www.garminasus.com/en_US/support/
2. Connect your Garminfone to your computer using the USB cable provided in your box
3. On the device, select "File Transfer" mode when the "USB connected" dialog appears
4. On the computer, double-click on the Garminfone icon displayed on your computer
* Windows Users: You can find this icon in My Computer
* Mac Users: You can find this icon on your desktop
5. Copy the .update file from your computer to the device. The .update file must be placed in a /Garmin/Update folder.

Note: If the Update folder does not exist, right-click within the Garmin folder, select New Folder, and name it “Update”. Please note the capitalization as it is important.



Note: Do not change the name of the file when copying to the folder.

1. Once the transfer is complete, please Exit File Transfer Mode by sliding down the notification bar from the top of your phone's screen, touching USB File Transfer Mode, and touching 'Yes'.
2. Remove your device from the computer.
* Note: It is important to safely remove the device from your computer in order for the file copy to be successful





Updating your device

Once you have ejected the Garminfone from your computer, the UpdateLauncher application will display.

Note: Please ensure that your Garminfone is connected to a power source during the entire update process.

1. When the UpdateLauncher application displays a prompt to apply the update, select "OK" and the update process will begin.
* Note: If you see a message stating that the system version is the same as the system update file, select "Yes" to proceed.
2. Leave device undisturbed until update is finished. The device will reboot itself into the update mode and then reboot to the lock screen.
3. When you see the lock screen, your device has been updated.
smiley1081 Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 22:36:07
The seller site says that is should already arrive with 2.1.

I'll let you know...
gpspassion Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 21:02:31
Nice video, should be a fun device, it seems there is an Android 2.1 update available too.
smiley1081 Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 20:57:35
Ooops...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrYuUohz9mQ
gpspassion Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 20:51:08
Looks like the link didn't make it?
smiley1081 Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 20:35:23
A strange video on the A10.

Note that is says: "Full featured Garmin Nüvi 1690 navigation system"...
gpspassion Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 10:48:18
Sorry, not familiar with what they use in Japan, and I'm not sure what frequencies the A10 has, but generally speaking GSM phones will work at Edge speeds on GSM networks around the world but not always 3G, in the US for instance AT&T is 850 or 1900mhz and T-Mobile is 1700/2100.
smiley1081 Posted - 01 déc. 2010 : 09:36:21
My brother is asking if it would work in Japan.

My answer was: "As a GSM phone, NO, as a UMTS/2100 phone 99,9% yes", am I correct?

About the legacy, my 2006 Nüvi 310 received its latest update in January, not bad for a 2006 navigator.
gpspassion Posted - 30 nov. 2010 : 21:16:49
Good deal indeed, after their "termination" that was to be expected. Let's hope Garmin are able to keep on updating them like most of their legacy GPS systems. Let us know how you like it.
smiley1081 Posted - 30 nov. 2010 : 13:58:53
I have just bought a Garmin A10 for €169. At the price it's almost a theft...

http://www.euronics.it/acquistaonline/telefonia-e-smartphone/smartphone/a10/prod102009557.html
gpspassion Posted - 13 nov. 2010 : 22:22:06
Interesting but best to repost in the Garminfone (aka A50) topic -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134738

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