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jotne Posted - 15 mars 2007 : 23:15:23
Nüvi

Comparison spreadsheet of the nuvi line-up by stephenr : >>here<<
Amazon's grid of nuvi models/features (scroll down): http://tinyurl.com/cubsn4
Another guide that will be of interest to nüvi users : Sorting through the GPS Chipsets on Garmin ;-)

NUVI 2012 RANGE
Full list on the Garmin site : >> LINK << : 24xx, 25xx, 34xx, and 35xx models

2x0
010-00621-xx
3.5", SD Screen, GPS Chipset : SIRF/MTK/Garmin (bravo)


2x0W
010-00656-xx

4.3", HD Widecreen, GPS Chipset : SIRF/MTK/Garmin (bravo),


nüvi 2x0 and 2x0W lines have been discontinued

2x5
shaded elevation mapping display, MSN Direct, HotFix ,Navigation by Photos

nüvi 2x5 line has been discontinued

295W
Wi-Fi® connectivity, 3 megapixel camera with auto-focus, dual-orientation screen that switches between portrait and landscape view

nüvi 295W line has been discontinued

3x0
3.5", SD Screen - SiRFstarIII Chipset, traffic (o), Bluetooth Handsfree (o)


nüvi 3x0 line has been discontinued

465T
Truck-friendly navigation, North America, lane assist, FM lifetime traffic, Bluetooth® wireless



5x0
010-00700-xx

3.5", Waterproof IPX7, Support BlueChart G2 Maps, microSD, Compass, Geocache support

nüvi 500 Regional maps, preloaded U.S. topographic maps
nüvi 500 Local regions
nüvi 510 Taiwan?
nüvi 550 EU or US maps.

6x0
010-00540-xx

4.3", HD Widescreen, SiRFstarIII Chipset, traffic (o), Bluetooth Handsfree (o), MSN Direct (o)


nüvi 6x0 line has been discontined

7x0
010-00657-xx

4.3", HD Widescreen, SiRFstarIII Chipset, traffic (o), Bluetooth Handsfree (o), MSN Direct (o), supports 10 routes, Auto sort multiple destinations (provides most direct route), shows highway speed limit in display, tracklog, MSN Direct compatible in US(needs extra cable, FM Transmitter


nüvi 7x0 line has been discontinued

7x5T
010-00715-xx

4.3", HD Widescreen, Traffic, supports 10 routes, Lane Assist (guides you to proper lane for navigation), Auto sort multiple destinations (provides most direct route), shows highway speed limit in display, tracklog, TTS, FM Traffic & MSN Direct Compatible



nüvi 7x5 line has been discontinued


8x0
010-00557-xx

USB 2.0, 4.9W"x3.1H"x1.05D, 480*272 screen,TTS, Automatic Speech Recognition (ASR), Replaceable battery, Embedded Linux (OS), FM Transmitter,Instant on, Track log, microSD, remote control


nüvi 8x0 line has been discontinued

8x5
010-00577-xx

USB 2.0, 4.9W"x3.1H"x1.05D, 480*272 screen,TTS, Automatic Speech Recognition (ASR), Replaceable battery, Lane Assist with Junction View, microSD™, Remote Control, Embedded Linux (OS)


nüvi 8x5 line has been discontinued
nüvi 865T Eu maps, Bluetooth

900T
010-00637-00

Italy only, DVB-H TV,480-270



1100
010-00783-A0

3.5" Screen, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, optional FM traffic


nüvi 1100 Regional NA or EU maps, No Bluetooth, optional FM Lifetime Traffic, no TTS

1200
010-00783-xx

3.5" Screen, speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, optional MSN Direct


nüvi 1200 Regional NA or EU maps, No Bluetooth, optional FM Lifetime Traffic or MSN Direct
nüvi 1250 NA or EU maps, No Bluetooth, optional FM Lifetime Traffic
nüvi 1260T NA or EU maps, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic

1300
010-00782-xx

4.3" Screen, speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, optional MSN Direct


nüvi 1300 Regional NA or EU maps, No Bluetooth, optional FM Lifetime Traffic or MSN Direct
nüvi 1300LMsame as 1300 but with lifetime maps included
nüvi 1300LMTsame as 1300 but with lifetime maps and traffic included
nüvi 1350 NA or EU maps, No Bluetooth, optional FM Lifetime Traffic
nüvi 1350LM same as 1350 but with lifetime maps included
nüvi 1350LMTsame as 1350 but with lifetime maps and traffic included
nüvi 1370T NA and EU maps, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic
nüvi 1390T NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic
nüvi 1390LMT Same as 1390T but with lifetime maps included

1400
010-00810-xx

5" Screen, speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, optional MSN Direct


nüvi 1450 NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, Auto sort multiple destinations
nüvi 1450LM same as 1450 but with lifetime maps included
nüvi 1450LMT same as 1450 but with lifetime maps and traffic included
nüvi 1490T NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic, Auto sort multiple destinations
nüvi 1490LMTsame as 1490T but with lifetime maps included

169x
010-00???-xx

5" Screen (1695), speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, nuLink, GPRS and EDGE, NO RDS TRAFFIC OPTION


nüvi 1690
nüvi 1695

22/23xx
010-00???-00

4.3" Screen -> see topic for details


nüvi 2200
nüvi 2250
nüvi 2250LT
nüvi 2300
nüvi 2300LM
nüvi 2350
nüvi 2350LT
nüvi 2350LMT
nüvi 2360LT
nüvi 2360LMT
nüvi 2370LT

24xx
010-00???-00

5" Screen -> see topic for details


nüvi 2450
nüvi 2450LM
nüvi 2460
nüvi 2460LT
nüvi 2460LMT

37x0
010-00858-xx
Ultra-thin navigator with nüRoute™ technology, multi-touch glass display, lane assist with junction view, 3.81" widescreen, 800x480 resolution, preloaded street maps, speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, pedestrian navigation options, supports 100 routes, Micro SD slot

nüvi 3750 NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, No Bluetooth, No Traffic
nüvi 3760T NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic
nüvi 3790T NA or EU maps, Lane Assist with Junction View, Bluetooth, FM Lifetime Traffic, Suction Cup Mount with Speaker, Voice Activated Navigation, 3D Building View

[center]5000
010-00639-xx

USB 2.0, 5.65"Wx3.71"Hx.80"D, 800*480 screen,TTS, battery- none, Embedded Linux (OS),user-defined avoidance, Composite video in - backup camera compatible,DEM support, No Bluetooth, FM Transmitter, Track log, remote control (not included)


nüvi 5000 has been discontinued

UPDATED
2012-06-26 Added nuvi 2012 range (gpspassion)
2011-01-05 Added nuvi 24xx (gpspassion)
2009-07-12 Added link to comparison spreadsheet by stephenr
2007-09-03 Nuvi 7x0 and 2x0W added
2007-09-19 Nüvi 710 info found on several europen sites
2007-10-10 Nüvi 750T added, info on Garmin homepage
2007-10-14 Nüvi 2xx Track log info added
2008-01-03 Nüvi 260, 780, 800, 5000 added
2008-03-04 Nüvi 205, 205W, 255, 255W, 900T added
2008-03-05 Nüvi 860 added
2008-07-23 Nüvi 500 and 550 added
2008-07-24 Nüvi 350, 370, 610 Discontinued
2008-08-07 Nüvi 360, 370, 600, 650, 660, 670 Discontinued
2008-08-27 Nüvi 755T, 775T, 785T, 265T, 265TW, 275T added
2008-10-02 Nüvi 680 Discontinued
2008-10-08 separated Nüvi 7xx models to 7xx and 7x5T
2009-01-07 Nüvi 855, 865T and 885T added
2009-01-07 Nuvi 850 and 880 Discontinued
2009-02-20 Updated link to Amazon's grid of nuvi models/features
2009-02-24 Nüvi 2x0 and 2x0W Discontinued
2009-02-24 Nüvi 7x0 Discontinued
2009-03-05 Nüvi 1200 and 1300 added, discontinued models deleted
2009-08-04 Nüvi 1400 and 465T
2009-08-05 Nüvi 1690T
2009-08-12 Nüvi 5000 DVB-T and Nüvi 510 added
2009-10-18 Nüvi 1450 added
2009-12-31 Nüvi 285WT, 785T and 885T discontinued and removed from list
2010-03-02 Nüvi 5000 discontinued
2010-04-19 Nuvi 3750, 3760T and 3790T added
2010-04-19 Nuvi Remainder of 7x0 models Discontinued
2010-04-19 Nuvi Remainder of 8x0 models Discontinued
2010-05-13 Nuvi 295W added
2010-05-26 Nuvi 1100 added
2010-08-16 Nuvi 13xx and 14xx added LM and LMT models
2010-09-01 Nuvi 855 discontinued
2010-09-09 Nuvi 7X5 series discontinued
2011-06-11 Nuvi 2X5 series discontinued
2011-06-11 Nuvi 295W series discontinued
2011-06-11 Updated 16xx, 22/23xx and 24xx sections



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movrshakr Posted - 23 juin 2012 : 21:39:39
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=401

seems to indicate 24xx, 25xx, 34xx, and 35xx are still part of their line--described as "2012 models."
ELEGEND_YVR Posted - 23 juin 2012 : 21:28:23
If I am to read the info in the first sticky correctly. The 24xx was launched 18 months ago? If so, did Garmin launch any new models within the last 6 month or were they all launched a year and half ago? The sticky doesnt seem to provide individual model details when they were launched.
alwaysGPS Posted - 12 avr. 2012 : 03:01:39
Would like to update that under the 24XX series, Garmin has a 2465LM which has similar features as that of a 2460 but a 4.3" screen whose orientation can be horizontal or vertical. The internal memory is about 2GB and the unit comes with a slot for a microSD card.
NanaimoRick Posted - 23 juin 2011 : 21:20:53
Not something I'd take on but you may want to ask the folks at gpsmagazine.com as it's their decision tree.
hazcaddy Posted - 22 juin 2011 : 19:33:37
Thanks Rick. Now is there any way to produce an up-to-date version of the decision tree shown on page 9 of this thread?
NanaimoRick Posted - 12 juin 2011 : 00:48:50
Updated the listing to show the 2x5 series as discontinued and listed all of the 22xx, 23xx and 24xx models
gpspassion Posted - 05 janv. 2011 : 20:34:33
Yes, but there is a new nuvi series, the 24xx -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=139205 ;-)
beetle-m Posted - 05 janv. 2011 : 15:55:21
Something new in Garmin family - dezl™ 560LMT:
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=275&pID=93853
In fact no nuvi series
smiley1081 Posted - 06 sept. 2010 : 14:55:49
Wow! We have got two completely new series, the 23xx and 22xx.

They look similar, in size to the 13xx and 12xx, but with newer hardware and software.

Also, Garmin is introducing the Lifetime Maps and Lifetime Traffic with this series, but they are also extending it to older series.

i.e. a 2360LMT is a wide navigator, with, according to the Garmin Website: Affordable, feature-packed navigator
lifetime maps and traffic, speech recognition, Bluetooth® wireless, [/b]3-axis electronic compass, dual-orientation display, 3-D terrain view, trafficTrends™, myTrends™[/b], lane assist with junction view, widescreen, preloaded street maps for North America, speaks street names, Where am I?, photo navigation, ecoRoute™, pedestrian navigation options.

All this for $299.

The 2360LT without lifetime maps goes for $259...

BTW, last week I was toying for the first time with a working 3760T in a shop, and I had already noted that it had a slew of lifetime traffic subscriptions covering most of Europe.

EDIT: It seems that Ubercool beat me to it...

Methinks that in six months navigators WITHOUT lifetime maps will be out of the market...
ubercool Posted - 06 sept. 2010 : 08:25:10
A whole slew of new nuvis announced on Friday, of which the nuvi 2360LMT appears to be the best:

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=87150#featureTab

Entire new lineup here:

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=133&ra=true

alandb Posted - 01 sept. 2010 : 23:42:51
As of today, the nuvi 855 has moved to the "Discontinued" list, at least in the US: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=33922#nuvi855. This marks the end of the 8xx series in the current model lineup.
qurm Posted - 25 juil. 2010 : 00:13:40
I have recently purchased a new model that does not appear on the list above. Maybe it can be added. This is the nuvi 1440 Software version 4.40. 4GB.

The unit is a low-end addition to the 1400 range, with the 5" screen, TTS for street names, European mapping. It is not the 1440/50 T version with the traffic radio. This was purchased in Darty (retailer in France) for EUR 159, sold as the 1440 XXL.

I am having difficulty finding any specific documentation/mention for it, even on the Garmin site.

Regards, Andy
gpspassion Posted - 26 mai 2010 : 12:37:24
...Getting back to the topic at hand, a new entry : the nuvi 1100 -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=135465 !
jberry345 Posted - 23 mai 2010 : 23:31:45
Thanks for the reply, Rick. Yes, I have examined every possible file in the nuvi 680 and can't find anything that could be a trip log. I was hoping there may have been a software hack that someone knew about that would allow logging. I do a lot of off roading and that would be very useful.
NanaimoRick Posted - 23 mai 2010 : 21:03:43
Don't believe there is a logging feature in either the 3xx or 6xx models. They are the very oldest Nuvi models and items like the logging facility were added to newer models but not made available on older ones.
jberry345 Posted - 23 mai 2010 : 02:50:23
Is there a hidden track logging feature on the nuvi 680? I also have a nuvi 265WT, which was much cheaper, but has track logging capability. I would like to find out if there is a way to get a track log on the nuvi 680.
NanaimoRick Posted - 20 avr. 2010 : 23:15:25
No, nothing on the 7x5 and 8x5 yet but I agree I think both models maybe on life support, at least once the 37xx line is actually available.
alandb Posted - 20 avr. 2010 : 22:26:18
Thanks for clarifying Rick; yes, I did mean 855 not 885. I will not be surprised if the remaining 7x5 and 8x5 models are discontinued soon and wondered if you had some information that was not on the Garmin site yet.
NanaimoRick Posted - 20 avr. 2010 : 22:20:13
Sorry mistyped, should have been 7x0 and 8x0. It is now corrected. It also always showed correctly down the page where each model is listed separately.

Also I think it's the 855 that Garmin still lists as active, not the 885.
alandb Posted - 20 avr. 2010 : 21:50:51
The change log of this topic has this: "2010-04-19 Nuvi 7xx Discontinued" and "2010-04-19 Nuvi 8xx Disxontinued". Which specific models were discontinued on this date? The 7x0, 8x0, 785T and 885 were discontinued months ago and are listed earlier in the log. As of 2010-04-20 Garmin still has the 755T, 765T, 775T and 885 listed as active models on the US web site. So which models is the change log referring to that were discontinued on 2010-04-19?
alias51 Posted - 04 févr. 2010 : 19:22:23
NanaimoRick:
"If by remote control you mean... "

No, I am asking about the specs [blurb] at the beginning of this thread. Perhaps it just needs a minor edit -- like "none" or "not confirmed" rather than "not included"

I have read a lot of spec sheets on this unit. A lot of them have errors regarding features -- including the one on Garmin's site. (Garmin added features via software and never went back and updated the spec sheet) The specs on this thread is the only one I have seen which [correctly] point out the addition of DEM support. So when I find the mere mention of remote control functionality without the word "no" or "none" nearby, I am compelled to ask "what remote?". My last GPS had a remote control with a knob and buttons. I miss that remote.

I know a few Garmin models came with a remote. I know this one didn't. However, I also know that the feature set of this model includes nothing that could make use of a microphone -- yet this model has a cradle with a mic input jack and a case designed to accomodate an internal mic -- as if the engineering guys were considering... at one time... possibly adding the software to support the hardware. (I wonder if there really is a mic behind that little hole in the case)

So, with Garmin's practice of controlling features via software, together with my boundless optimism, I have to ask. Its not a stupid question, just a hopelessly optimistic question.

Quoting the Nuvi-5000 blurb at the beginning of this thread:
" USB 2.0, 5.65"Wx3.71"Hx.80"D, 800*480 screen,TTS, battery- none, Embedded Linux (OS),user-defined avoidance, Composite video in - backup camera compatible, DEM support, No Bluetooth, FM Transmitter, Track log, remote control (not included)"

Remote?!? Not included?!?
The AC adapter is "not included" -- I know where to get one of those. But the remote? Where is that remote?!? I want it!
NanaimoRick Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 06:21:20
If by remote control you mean voice activated commands then the answer is that it is not available on the 5000. See the specs sheet at https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=11547#specsTab
alias51 Posted - 31 janv. 2010 : 04:40:01
Is the nuvi 5000 capable of remote control?
The beginning of this thread, in the Nuvi 5000 section, lists remote control among its features.

It says "remote control (not included)."

I found a remote available for the GPSMAP 5000, but not the Nuvi 5000.
Is this an error? Where is that remote! I want it!
I like my Nuvi 5000 but I really miss the remote on my old Harman Kardon GPS-810.

Later...
alandb Posted - 30 déc. 2009 : 20:19:01
I notice that Garmin is now listing the 285, 785 and 885 as discontinued ... I suppose because of the MSN Direct status.
gpspassion Posted - 02 nov. 2009 : 01:42:52
Delayed to 2010 yes, as mentioned in their topic a while back.

@alandb - the whole nuvi "saga" with dates is here http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/news.asp?id=628 on the portal.
Jim1348 Posted - 02 nov. 2009 : 00:25:56
What is likely the next Garmin Nuvi for the US or other markets? Is it the 1820 and 1860 or have those been indefinitely delayed?
alandb Posted - 21 oct. 2009 : 20:16:57
One of the things I enjoy on this sticky is the change log. It provides a timeline (although incomplete) of the nuvi model history and life cycle. One of the missing pieces is when the first 3xx and 6xx nuvis came to market. I would like to see you maintain this information on all the nuvi models.
worawut610 Posted - 10 sept. 2009 : 19:19:36
Nuvi 1460 Sg/Ma

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=63799

http://www.garmin.com/garmin/jsp/jahia/templates/sg/garmin/buzz/nuvi1460/index.html
worawut610 Posted - 02 sept. 2009 : 10:38:24
Nuvi 1480C CHN

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=51346

http://www.garmin.com/garmin/jsp/jahia/templates/cn/garmin/buzz/nuvi1480C/index.html
danham Posted - 30 août 2009 : 22:07:15
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=93192
movrshakr Posted - 30 août 2009 : 21:41:38
>Do read the review of the different Nüvi here on this site before you order one.

Ah, maybe a clue as to where that review might be located?
jotne Posted - 12 août 2009 : 22:44:43
Added 5000 DVB-T
http://www.garmin.com.tw/products/nuvi5000DVBT_TWN/index.html

And Nüvi 510
http://www.garmin.com.tw/products/Nuvi510_TWN/index.html
jotne Posted - 04 août 2009 : 13:07:11
That may be correct.
As far as I understand 8xx is obsoleted.
Do read the review of the different Nüvi here on this site before you order one.
7x5 is a good GPS.
lcubed Posted - 31 juil. 2009 : 02:30:49
i'm finally in the process of upgrading from venerable nuvi 350.

since it's been a while since i followed the nuvi line closely,
the one piece of information that i wish was in the comparison
spreadsheet was the approximate introduction date for each model.

the nuvi line's model number is confusing.
for example, on first glance, one would think that the 8x0 line was
introduced after the 7x5 line.

i still have figured out whether the 8x5 line came before
or after the 7x5 line.
stephenr Posted - 28 juil. 2009 : 18:56:36
Hi Patrick,

I would try the Nuvi 1300 as Garmin pointed out. I do not have experience with all Nuvi models, so I am in the same boat as you are. I did a quick price check and it seems you can get the 1300 around $240. I looked at some 1300 listings and they say "Bright" in their screen description. Very vague, but maybe a sign of brightness improvement.

May I also suggest doing a search on this website, since screen brightness among various Nuvi models has been discussed in the past.

Here is a link:
http://www.gpspassion.com/FORUMSEN/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53868

I agree with the comment about the Nuvi 660 (near the bottom of the page), I used to own one. I now have a Nuvi 5000 which is also excellent.



Hope this helps,
Stephen R.
phhill3 Posted - 26 juil. 2009 : 19:20:12
quote:
Originally posted by stephenr

Garmin's website is helpful to allow you to compare the many Nuvi features, but only 4 selections at a time. I created an excel and pdf file showing all of Garmin's Nuvi information which will allow you to compare them all together.

I found a mistake under the Nuvi 5000. It does have a speed limit display with the latest firmware. I am not sure if it had this out of the box.

I hope this is helpful to others looking at the Nuvi lineup.
http://www.gpspassion.com/upload2/nuvicomparison0709.xls
http://www.gpspassion.com/upload2/nuvicomparison0709.pdf


StephenR, I'm just joining this discussion, having been inactive for some time. Just bought a refurb Nuvi 260W for my wife, since she'd started liking my Zumo that I use in my car as well as on my motorcyle. Well, when I first used it in the Georgia summer sun (I was wearing sunglasses as any sane person would - polarizing, at that) I could hardly see it - certainly not clearly enough to safely glance at it for info while driving. Thought perhaps my memory was faulty, so on a trip last week I installed my Zumo beside it. There was no comparison. I've already returned the 260w to TigerDirect for a refund (BTW, those folks treated me VERY well). When I messaged Garmin to find out what they could tell me here's what I got back: "Dear Patrick Hill,

Thank you for contacting Garmin International, I will be happy to help you with the Nuvi units and the glare from the sun. We have just released a new line of nuvi's that have a little more brightness to them. These would be the Nuvi's that are the 1300 and up. I understand that the Zumo is a little easier to see as it was built for the outside useable."

Personally I don't see what being on a motorcyle has to do with it? The unit mounted in my car, with its sloping windshield is every bit as much in the direct sun as on the bike.

I'm distressed w/Garmin saying the latest and most expensive Garmins have "a little more brightness."

You seem quite knowledgable - I'm looking for an economical unit that talks street names for turns, but is bright enough to see well. I'd really like to stay w/Garmin, since my learning curve would be smallest, but am beginning to think I may have to change brands in order to be able to see the screen during the day.

Do you have suggestions?

Thanks, Patrick Hill phill@wilbursmith.com


stephenr Posted - 20 juil. 2009 : 03:37:13
Hello Rich,

I guess I should have mentioned before that I have not thought about updating the spreadsheet that I posted. My intention when I created it was to make it easier to compare all the Nuvi options listed by Garmin. I realize that in a day or so (ok, maybe a couple of months)that it will be out of date. If Garmin keeps the current listing format for the new models, then it would be pretty easy to keep it updated. I guess we will see what Garmin does when new models are introduced.

I have been reading GPSpassion for a while now, and recommend it to my friends that talk about GPSs. I decided to post the spreadsheet here because I appreciate all the info. I have learned from this forum, and once in awhile I post some stuff to give back. If you would like to post the spreadsheet elsewhere, that is fine. The next time I need a GPS, I will definately check for new Nuvis and most likely will update the spreadsheet here.

Stephen R.
rjh Posted - 19 juil. 2009 : 14:58:51
@stephenr Google Docs format for spreadsheet: I don't want to take this thread off topic, so, if you want to pursue this and the http://docs.google.com/ doesn't answer your questions, please send me email.

The bottom line is that the same information is in an online, shared for viewing spreadsheet that's indexed by Google search. You don't have to do a separate PDF format file, too.
stephenr Posted - 19 juil. 2009 : 06:20:42
Hello Rich,

I do not know if it would be easier. I've never used Google docs.
rjh Posted - 18 juil. 2009 : 01:54:56
@stephenr The nuvi comparison spreadsheet is very useful. Would it be easier to maintain/publish/find by search if it was a Google Doc spreadsheet?
gpspassion Posted - 12 juil. 2009 : 12:17:27
Thanks for the spreadsheet, I linked it from the first message ;-)
stephenr Posted - 12 juil. 2009 : 05:56:41
Yes, I agree. I would also like to see:
- disable autozoom option
- disable confirmation tone
- customizable detours (the ability to select an area to avoid and selectable road avoid)

When you are used to a GPS that has these features, it makes it tough to use/purchase one that does not.
NotMoneyGuy Posted - 12 juil. 2009 : 04:52:23
stephenr, thanks. Unless I am failing to see it, both your .xls and .pdf contributions (as well as Garmin.com), would possibly benefit the potential consumer if a line/category of "active/powered cradle"; "yes" or "no", was included.
stephenr Posted - 12 juil. 2009 : 02:38:53
Garmin's website is helpful to allow you to compare the many Nuvi features, but only 4 selections at a time. I created an excel and pdf file showing all of Garmin's Nuvi information which will allow you to compare them all together.

I found a mistake under the Nuvi 5000. It does have a speed limit display with the latest firmware. I am not sure if it had this out of the box.

I hope this is helpful to others looking at the Nuvi lineup.


http://www.gpspassion.com/upload2/nuvicomparison0709.xls
http://www.gpspassion.com/upload2/nuvicomparison0709.pdf
gpspassion Posted - 11 juil. 2009 : 17:14:03
No, same here, unless it's a short trip the battery is going to run out quickl anyway, the "beauty" of an active cradle is the "drop in and forget" ;-)
NotMoneyGuy Posted - 11 juil. 2009 : 15:36:36
Thank you.

I tend to always plug in my 260. It would obviously be more convenient to simply run off the battery and only plug it in when needed. My thinking is that there are a finite number of charge/deplete cycles in the battery's lifespan and I would rather preserve them since the car's 12v is handy. Is this somehow misguided, and should I instead start taking advantage of the battery and eliminate the plug in step?
gpspassion Posted - 10 juil. 2009 : 21:44:12
That's a good theme for a new topic ;-)

In the meantime, nuvis with powered mount : 3xx, 6xx, 7xx, 8xx, 5000

So in essence, the high end models at the time of their release.
NotMoneyGuy Posted - 09 juil. 2009 : 22:17:45
My co-worker received his nuvi 265WT today from Costco.ca. He was very disappointed to see that the power cable has to be plugged in separately into the unit's back, not the more convenient "powered cradle" of his previous 760. He is thinking of returning it unused, not even powered on. My 360 was more convenient than my current 260, so I know what a PIA it now is.

Question: How can one tell, either by model number or by exploring the Garmin website, which models feature the "powered cradle" versus the "plug it in on the back"? Thanks.
Seajays Posted - 17 mars 2009 : 11:38:34
The problem with the type of decision tree shown in davidosus's reply, is that it does not take into account 'parallel' needs.

For example, if I answer "Yes" to the first three questions and then get to "Is TTS important?", I may answer "NO" to this - in which case it tells me I should get a 205W - however, it doesn't take into account the fact that although I don't want TTS, I may want lane assist, traffic and/or bluetooth - which are all further down the tree and are not in the 205 model.

You can't ignore all the subsequent feature choices in the tree based on the choice of an earlier feature, as the features themselves are not related. You could try reversing the order of questions so the higher end features are questioned first, which may help a bit. (i.e. if I need bluetooth, then some of the other questions can be ignored, whether I need them or not, as bluetooth is only available on models with certain other features already anyway). But this may still not work in every case.
cperk Posted - 23 févr. 2009 : 20:49:52
I wonder if Garmin is looking to discontinue the new 8x5 series already. They dropped the price $100.00 and they've only been out a month.
moosc Posted - 23 janv. 2009 : 04:38:59
might be upgrading my 780 really like the weather radar with the 3d buildings and lane assist anything new coming out
NanaimoRick Posted - 08 janv. 2009 : 16:10:46
No problem, thanks for starting the list in the first place
jotne Posted - 08 janv. 2009 : 09:22:23
@NanaimoRic

Thanks for updating the list :)

davidosus Posted - 22 déc. 2008 : 20:51:15
The following diagram is an excellent guide to choosing a Garmin nüvi. Credit to gpsmagazine.





gatorguy Posted - 15 déc. 2008 : 14:40:57
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick

I'm sorry I said Battery Strength Indicator and should have said Signal Strength Indicator.



Tomiam, NanaimoRick corrected himself. Try the sat strength symbol.
TOMIAM Posted - 28 oct. 2008 : 15:36:11
I tried it on a 270 without success. The satellite feature must only be available on the 300+ series. The battery indicator does go into the service mode, but there are not any references to satellites, lat, long, or altitude. Thanks again for the help.
NanaimoRick Posted - 26 oct. 2008 : 02:56:15
I'm sorry I said Battery Strength Indicator and should have said Signal Strength Indicator.
TOMIAM Posted - 24 oct. 2008 : 22:46:19
I believe it was the menu screen where you have the signal strength in the upper left corner and the battery strength in the upper right corner. On the 350 you touch the signal strength and it gives you the satellite screen with the lat, long, and elevation. I couldn't readily get that screen on the 250, but I will try it again. Thanks for the help. I'll try the 10 second hold method.
gpspassion Posted - 24 oct. 2008 : 22:16:06
Here is another guide that will likely be of interest to nüvi users/potential buyers : [GUIDE] Sorting through the GPS Chipsets on Garmin ;-)
NanaimoRick Posted - 24 oct. 2008 : 21:57:02
What screen on the 350 are you referring to? I can only find an altitude reading on the satellite screen of a 350 (press battery strength indicator) and it isn't on the left corner. If that is what you are referring to then it will appear on any Nuvi with a satellite screen. On the 350 you only needed to press the battery indicator to get to the screen. On other models you need to press the screen for up to 10 seconds before the screen will appear.
TOMIAM Posted - 23 oct. 2008 : 19:51:42
I like the Altimeter feature of the hand-helds and the one I found in the upper left corner of the Nuvi 350. Which other models offer this feature? I couldn't find it on the 250. This feature is nice going through the mountains, hot air ballooning and flying in airplanes..
NanaimoRick Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 22:37:33
quote:
Originally posted by smiley1081

The 7x5 have a different model number, shouldn't them be in a separate category, like the 2x5 and the 2x0?



I agree and have separated them out.

Jotne, if you disagree with any of the changes please correct.
danham Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 15:50:25
IMHO, Garmin is making the same mistake Apple made in the '90s, when its model lineup was full of overlapping features and was confusing even to those of us very familiar with the brand.

For that reason, a decision tree with its binary choices won't work, because consumers need to be able to balance competing "needs" (read "desires") to make their decision.

-dan
smiley1081 Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 10:09:30
quote:
Originally posted by smiley1081

quote:
Originally posted by Jim1348

Interesting comment, and I suspect quite accurate. I am kind of getting into GPS and it is getting confusing for me. For people just coming to the plate it has to be even more comfusing.


Probably I am hopelessly IT, but a simple decision tree is sufficient.

Five question, more or less.

"Do you need Bluetooth? YES|NO"
"Do you need Traffic? YES|NO"
"Do you need a 4.3" screen? YES|NO"
"Do you need Text To Speech? YES|NO"
"Which map do you need? REGIONAL EUROPE|FULL EUROPE|NORAM|ICBM"



Let's add a few questions:
"Do you need Bluetooth? YES|NO"
"Do you need A2DP Bluetooth? YES|NO"
"Do you need Traffic? YES|NO"
"Do you need a 4.3" screen? YES|NO"
"Do you need Text To Speech? YES|NO"
"Do you need 3D buildings YES|NO"
"Do you need an MP3 player? YES|NO"
"Do you need to use in the rain? YES|NO"
"Do you need a tracklog? YES|NO"
"Do you need advanced routing? YES|NO"
"Do you need speech recognition? YES|NO"
"Do you need a configurable display? YES|NO"
"Do you need roadsigns? YES|NO"
"Which map do you need? REGIONAL EUROPE|FULL EUROPE|NORAM|ICBM"
"Do you need DVB-H? NO|NO"

smiley1081 Posted - 08 oct. 2008 : 09:58:36
The 7x5 have a different model number, shouldn't them be in a separate category, like the 2x5 and the 2x0?
gpspassion Posted - 23 juil. 2008 : 18:23:18
It's pretty confusing, different America/Europe, I posted a summary here http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=114341 - thanks for staying on top of this topic, not easy ;-)
jotne Posted - 23 juil. 2008 : 18:21:51
Nüvi 500 and 550.
If I do understand Garmin corret, 500 do have regional maps and Topo US.
550 do have complete North America or Europe, no Topo
Boyd Posted - 29 juin 2008 : 15:44:26
Here's an example from downtown Philadelphia:



Compare it with the following from Google Maps and you will see it's actually a crude representation of actual buildings:



Lots of info in this thread: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106749

I think the tracklog feature is the same as the 700 and 800 series. You only have two menu items to control it - turn in it on/off and clearing it. There does not appear to be a "hidden track log" like some other models. I haven't really explored this feature, maybe there are multiple logs in a .gpx file which you can copy to your computer? On the screen it is simply displayed as a light blue line.

Also, another feature I realized which is unique in the Nuvi line (AFAIK). There is a light sensor on the back on the unit and you can choose an option for it to automatically adjust screen brightness. I know a lot of SP26x0 miss this. Personally, I don't use it since I have the unit mounted lower in my car where the sensor is "looking" at the A/C controls.

Also might be interested in these screenshots of the new 3d basemap (which I believe is also available on the 8x0 and 2x5 series): http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=113310
jotne Posted - 29 juin 2008 : 09:34:36
Thanks for the update.
Info about 5000 was added before it was released.
Can you post a screenshot of the buildings (post 6)
How is the track log?
Boyd Posted - 29 juin 2008 : 00:50:35
Just looking at this thread. I'm always confused a bit by these... is the first post supposed to represent the current model feature set? If so, there are a few errors in the Nuvi 5000 info.

1. It does NOT have speech recognition

2. It does NOT support a remote control

3. It does allow you to turn off autozoom

4. It features user-defined avoidances of both roads and areas

5. It displays DEM shaded maps when zoomed out to the 8 mile or higher scale

6. It displays actual building outlines in some urban areas when zoomed in to the 500 ft or lower scale

7. It features multiple detour options


smiley1081 Posted - 05 juin 2008 : 08:37:18
Well, in Europe the x00 or x10 model is the entry-point mode, with a single nation and (for the x10) Bluetooth...

The 3xx and 6xx are probably being discontinued, and the 6xx would now be called 3xxW

So modern lines are the 2x0, 2x5, 7xx and 8xx...
gatorguy Posted - 05 juin 2008 : 02:22:32
Up until recently x50 was the entry-point for a particular model, x60 added bluetooth and tmc-traffic, x70 added dual-continent maps, x80 became msn-traffic compatible. There were a couple of exceptions (I think). With the new 200 series, i.e. 255, it's going to get confusing again I'm afraid.
ReallyLost Posted - 05 juin 2008 : 01:58:09
I'd posted this elsewhere, but a moderator referred me here.

There are so many different models of nüvi out there it's making my head spin trying to figure out the features. Is there a relatively quick and easy way to interpret what the different digits of the model number mean, if in fact there is any meaning behind them? For example, is my 660 somehow "related" to a 260, 360, 760, etc? Similarly, what groups all the 6xx's together?

Based on what I see from skimming Post #1 of this thread (which continues to make my head spin), I’m starting to see some relation between models based on their digits (e.g. all the listed x70’s seem to have full US and Europe maps preloaded). However, I was hoping to see something in more of a grid format. This doesn’t work with the “compare models” page on the Garmin site because (A) it only lets you compare a maximum of five models at a time and there are 31 nüvi models listed, and (B) not all of the features are listed (e.g. track log). Do any GPS geeks already have it broken down somewhere?

Thanks!
SergZak Posted - 25 mars 2008 : 01:05:56
quote:
Originally posted by MtnHermit
- Now compatible with optional TMC traffic receivers, or MSN Direct service


This makes me assume this new 2x5 line will have same interface & I/O connector that is used on the 7xx series along with the GTM 20 & MSN Direct receivers. I like the nuvi 200 but removing the unit from the cradle is pretty cumbersome since you have to remove the unit from the cradle, then unplug the power connector (& vise-versa to re-install the unit). Using the snap-in/snap out system from the 7xx will be a welcome addition.
MtnHermit Posted - 23 mars 2008 : 18:44:01
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick
Hotfix is described as faster satellite acquisition via a feature that calculates and stores critical satellite information. I think it is the same as or similar to what is discussed in http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102346 but called InstantFix there.

Not to sure about Navigation by Photos but found this explanation on another website:

Navigation by photos (using Garmin Connect Photos which draws from Google's Panoramio photo sharing community)

Sounds like a routing tool using Google Maps/Earth with uploaded pictures. (?)
Found out more about the 205W and 255W


It appears from the image that the new Nuvi 255W will also have a slightly enhanced interface with a more rounded display data fields and "+" and "-" zoom buttons that are vertically placed on the right side if the screen instead of in the upper left and right corners.

The new Models all features some very nice upgraded features:

- New faster processor, making for a faster routing and map drawing.
- New shaded elevation maps.
- Now compatible with optional TMC traffic receivers, or MSN Direct service (Gas prices, traffic, local events, stocks, news, and weather.
- Garmin HotFix capability to automatically calculate and store satellite locations so that you will be able to turn the unit on and go a lot faster greatly reducing satellite acquisition time.
- Geolocated Picture capability - Download geotagged photos to the Garmin to be able to navigate to a loaded picture; works with Google's Panoramio photo sharing community and Garmin Connect Photos website.

This all came from GPSLodge http://www.gpslodge.com/archives/017195.php
SWLinPHX Posted - 22 mars 2008 : 05:30:10
quote:
Originally posted by danhamBecause the screen press issue is only a minor annoyance for me, I have not refrained from udpating, so I'm not current on the list of changes since 3.70 (was Eisenhower president then - just kidding). Maybe someone who has kept better track can help you decide if an update is a good tradeoff for you.


So then it sounds like, with the volume issue after I upgraded the first time, the inability to use light taps or a stylus and other things like the disappearing map scale mentioned on the previous page I should stick with what I got? I can still update the map without changing the software right? Can anyone tell me something good added/corrected in the software updates since the one I have?

quote:
Originally posted by danhamAs for for routing, I don't have a 7xx, but assume it works the way most Garmin GPS's have always worked, meaning you can create waypoints or add vias to any route and specify very precisely where to go. However, that is different from the way you phrased it, so I want to make sure you don't think that it can apply special routing rules to all routing situations.


So then, how exactly does the 7xx series handle routes differently? You just "save" routes kind of like you would save a POI and say "Go To"? If you saved a special route to HOME for instance, you would have to tap on that saved route, not just on the GO HOME icon?
SWLinPHX Posted - 22 mars 2008 : 05:13:14
quote:
Originally posted by danhamActually SWL was using a problem he reported months ago as an example for diagnostic/experimentation purposes, not saying he needs the GPS to get him back to his own house.



Exactly Dan. If it doesn't know something that simple then what other simple thing is misleading me to via a longer, illogical route? Besides, even though you don't need it to guide you the final block to your house, it is the one you see the most, and seeing it constantly showing you something absurd is unnerving after awhile!

quote:
Originally posted by danhamIn MapSource there are sliders that "influence" routing and perhaps that function carries over to some Garmin units; not sure about the 7xx series, but I still don't think it would help your home gates problem if I recall it correctly.

However, on any nuvi you can create a Custom POI and use it as a Via to force entry via the correct gate.


Yeah, you probably don't remember, but I've been thru all that. I put a POI just inside the closer gate (named "12th St. Gate") and chose it to go HOME, then added 12th St. Gate as a VIA (waypoint). It still pre-routes me into that gate, then actually out again, back around thru the far gate, then all the way back to my home (closer to that 12th St. gate!)

I did say however that when I am actually in the 12th St. gate it will finish the route correctly (it just doesn't work when driving before I enter the gate or at all when I am merely pre-routing or simulating the way).
danham Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 18:58:30
Hmm, sounds like you've been sailing with me [grin].

Actually SWL was using a problem he reported months ago as an example for diagnostic/experimentation purposes, not saying he needs the GPS to get him back to his own house.

-dan
MtnHermit Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 17:41:29
quote:
Originally posted by SWLinPHX
Does the 7xx series "routing" feature (not available on my 660) enable you to specify how you want it to guide you to a frequently used location (such as Home), or how exactly does that feature work?
Isn't the point of a GPS to guide you in unfamiliar places? If you are in frequently used locations, the human brain is a superb guide with photographic memory. Only in "pea soup" fog would a GPS be superior to your eyes and brain.
HHMoller Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 17:22:16
quote:
Originally posted by SWLinPHX [snip] I have not updated the software, maps, etc. in a long time. The reason for this is when I first bought it and updated it to the latest release at the time I noticed two unfavorable changes.

... like the map scale ruler in the bottom center of the screen disappearing during navigation from v4.00 to v4.20 (AFAIR). What harm did it do? Does anyone know if this has affected other Nüvi models than the 6xx?

Pre-4.20



Post-4.20

danham Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 17:03:27
Because the screen press issue is only a minor annoyance for me, I have not refrained from udpating, so I'm not current on the list of changes since 3.70 (was Eisenhower president then - just kidding). Maybe someone who has kept better track can help you decide if an update is a good tradeoff for you.

As for for routing, I don't have a 7xx, but assume it works the way most Garmin GPS's have always worked, meaning you can create waypoints or add vias to any route and specify very precisely where to go. However, that is different from the way you phrased it, so I want to make sure you don't think that it can apply special routing rules to all routing situations.

In MapSource there are sliders that "influence" routing and perhaps that function carries over to some Garmin units; not sure about the 7xx series, but I still don't think it would help your home gates problem if I recall it correctly.

However, on any nuvi you can create a Custom POI and use it as a Via to force entry via the correct gate.

-dan

SWLinPHX Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 01:20:07
quote:
Originally posted by danham

I still don't like the touch screen lack of sensitivity, so you may want to hold off.


Thanks for the warning Dan! I love the sensitivity on the original installed version (which I reverted to and have now).

According to the specs of my system below in my signature, can you see anything that would be better if upgraded, and if so, what? I'm still kind of irked by the way it will route me awkwardly at times (such as with my home gates) which seems to go against common sense.

Does the 7xx series "routing" feature (not available on my 660) enable you to specify how you want it to guide you to a frequently used location (such as Home), or how exactly does that feature work?
danham Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 01:14:29
The volume seems fine on my 680 with the latest firmware. I keep it at 80 or 90% depending on vehicle.

But I still don't like the touch screen lack of sensitivity, so you may want to hold off.

-dan
SWLinPHX Posted - 21 mars 2008 : 00:37:03
Does anyone have any more suggestions on how to resolve my problem discussed on the previous page. I explained all in detail there except for one thing:

I have not updated the software, maps, etc. in a long time. The reason for this is when I first bought it and updated it to the latest release at the time I noticed two unfavorable changes. The volume was suddenly not as loud at the loudest setting and also I could no longer use a stylus to tap the screen like I prefer when pinpointing tiny icons or POI's. And when using a finger, I had to tap very hard after the switch. After much ado (being a brand new owner) I had figured out how to revert back to a previous version, but now I am gunshy.

Can anyone verify if the newest (current) version is sensitive enough for a stylus or light finger tap and also if the volume is loud again? Thanks for your help.
HHMoller Posted - 19 mars 2008 : 08:11:50
quote:
Originally posted by NanaimoRick Navigation by photos (using Garmin Connect Photos which draws from Google's Panoramio photo sharing community)
Sounds like a routing tool using Google Maps/Earth with uploaded pictures. (?)

My guess is that photos stored on the Nüvi can be used as destination if they are geotagged - like Navman's NavPix feature.
NanaimoRick Posted - 18 mars 2008 : 23:32:31
quote:
Originally posted by MtnHermit

"Nanaimo" just a guess, a city on Vancouver Island? or the BC coast?

Seems I've been there, early `80s, motorcycle trip up the island then a 24-hour ferry to Prince Rupert? Does any of this make sense?



Right on all counts (we are on Vancouver Island). Still the same ferry ride to Rupert but I think the time is down to 15 hours, but still an overnighter.

I can only comment on the Nuvi but I use a 350 and a 760. The newer model 760 does very well in sunlight. The 350, not so much but still usable. I would suspect that the new 2x5 models will be just as good as the 7xx for screen brightness.
MtnHermit Posted - 18 mars 2008 : 21:52:14
Thanks for the welcome,

"Nanaimo" just a guess, a city on Vancouver Island? or the BC coast?

Seems I've been there, early `80s, motorcycle trip up the island then a 24-hour ferry to Prince Rupert? Does any of this make sense?

I'll have to read up on the Nav by photo, may be of interest.

I own a Venture Cx, my first GPS, use it 99% for backpacks and hikes using 24K Topo maps. The combination moves back country navigation into the 21st Century. But an oh so tiny screen.

Considering a low end Nuvi to supplement the Venture. Much larger screen, pixel and area, than a Colorado and they weigh less too. I'd only use it for map review and/or an occasional screenshot, the Venture would be on all the time for tracklogs and base navigation.

Also the Nuvi would be a superior vehicle unit getting to trailheads. Can I use a Nuvi in bright sunlight? For the Venture, the brighter the better.

Any thoughts?

Thanks
NanaimoRick Posted - 18 mars 2008 : 21:03:05
Welcome to the forum.

Hotfix is described as faster satellite acquisition via a feature that calculates and stores critical satellite information. I think it is the same as or similar to what is discussed in http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102346 but called InstantFix there.

Not to sure about Navigation by Photos but found this explanation on another website:

Navigation by photos (using Garmin Connect Photos which draws from Google's Panoramio photo sharing community)

Sounds like a routing tool using Google Maps/Earth with uploaded pictures. (?)

MtnHermit Posted - 18 mars 2008 : 19:06:59
quote:
2x5

shaded elevation mapping display, MSN Direct, HotFix ,Navigation by Photos

On the lead of this thread their was a brief feature list for the new 2x5 series. Two items peeked my interest and I was hoping someone could tell me what they do:
HotFix?
Navigation by Photos?

Thanks
salsaguy Posted - 10 janv. 2008 : 08:06:12
No prob
It could be that the maps dont have the complex tiny private road into in them so doesn tseem them so it cant rount in or around them thus causing the issues?

For my step-moms apartment I just made a fav at the outside gate where you call to get in as the location instead of the address since thats on a different street facing a different direction all together


quote:
Originally posted by SWLinPHX

Thanks Salsa...
On the other matter, I didn't think it "learned" like that as was suggested earlier. But the question still stands as to what in its programming tells it to show a closer route/road/entrance (no less major than the far gate), know that I can and have used it a lot, guide me to my house from there once I've ENTERED that gate, but otherwise until I"m inside the complex, constantly route me to the other gate no matter how close I am to the nearer gate???

sievers Posted - 12 déc. 2007 : 15:48:12
quote:
Originally posted by smiley1081
"Do you need Bluetooth? YES|NO"
"Do you need Traffic? YES|NO"
"Do you need a 4.3" screen? YES|NO"
"Do you need Text To Speech? YES|NO"
"Which map do you need? REGIONAL EUROPE|FULL EUROPE|NORAM|ICBM"



one more with the addition of the 7xx series: do you need routing? YES|NO
smiley1081 Posted - 29 oct. 2007 : 15:17:25
Ah, ok, I am getting back to the winter hibernation...
danham Posted - 29 oct. 2007 : 13:59:36
Some folks refer to each topic as separate forum.

-dan
smiley1081 Posted - 29 oct. 2007 : 09:17:01
quote:
Originally posted by salsaguy

We recently discussed this on the 7xx User forum.


What?

A separate 7xx forum? I tought that this one was for all the Nuvi models...
SWLinPHX Posted - 27 oct. 2007 : 09:21:17
Thanks Salsa...

Yes, I never use the street address for a residence unless it is a house located right at that address on the roadside, not part of a community complex. We know that is not the problem, and I definitely wouldn't go and change it TO my complex's street address which is at the gate I am trying to stop it from guiding me to in the first place.

On the other matter, I didn't think it "learned" like that as was suggested earlier. But the question still stands as to what in its programming tells it to show a closer route/road/entrance (no less major than the far gate), know that I can and have used it a lot, guide me to my house from there once I've ENTERED that gate, but otherwise until I"m inside the complex, constantly route me to the other gate no matter how close I am to the nearer gate???
salsaguy Posted - 27 oct. 2007 : 05:08:26
Kappa already contacted Garmin (and was posted on another thread here) and they confirmed to him that the nuvi does NOT have the ability to learn over time.
salsaguy Posted - 27 oct. 2007 : 05:05:36
We recently discussed this on the 7xx User forum.
Always best to save the EXACT location as an actual point where your car is sitting instead of just going by the address as that may be very far away depending on if its a house or business.

My nuvi thought my house was on the LEFT side of the street and I finally figured out it was looking at the "community" mailbox for our 5 houses/condos even though the house is on the RIGHT side of the street.
danham Posted - 26 oct. 2007 : 15:27:41
My idea was definitely a stab in the dark, but it would be interesting to see if it changes the behavior at all.

-dan
SWLinPHX Posted - 26 oct. 2007 : 10:22:50
Hey NanaimoRick... I guess I did not think the Nuvi was programmed to eventually "switch" to a different route right from the start if it is one I keep using the most. I would be impressed if it has that ability, but even so, I am trying to understand what is causing it to go against common sense (and its programming) not to want me to take that short way in the first place unless and until I am finally there. When I am actually there in the gate [GPS tracking], its final recalculation is indeed to correctly route me to my house from there (only when routing in advance or as a test does it make me go back out and around to the far gate). So it does KNOW it can indeed reach my home from that shortest route. Also, the road leading into/out of the near gate is the same road leading into/out of the far gate in a straight line (they are exact opposites), so it is not lesser or unpaved from one entrance, being the same road depicted with the same arterial importance.

And danham, somehow I think if I entered my home as an address (and not as coordiantes using My Current Location) as you suggested, then it would even moreso force me to use the far gate since that is the complex's official address gate.

If it has the ability to learn, maybe it is just screwing with me by being stubborn? Maybe I should call Garmin tech support?
danham Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 20:56:15
Thanks for the more careful reading of the OP. Perhaps it's worth trying to enter Home as a street address and see if that fixes the wacky routing?

-dan
NanaimoRick Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 20:44:20
Looks like SWLinPHX entered co-ordinates or the Set Home - My Current Location feature:

"However, the one difference is the further gate it insists upon is the one of the actual street address of the complex as I was saying before but as I also said, the location of my Home is not plotted by address of the complex, but the exact location of my unit."

danham Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 19:11:59
That behavior with the via point set me thinking (uh-oh). It is really weird and suggests that nuvi does not really know where your home is.

Did you enter your home info as a street address or by being there with the GPS on? I wonder if it is choking on the street number?

-dan
NanaimoRick Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 18:16:37
quote:
Originally posted by SWLinPHX

Thank you both for your input.

I had Avoidances enabled, but only for Traffic and Toll Roads. But to test the theory, I will disable it completely and try again. The current Vehicle is a blue sports car.

I also tried Route Preference set both to Shorter Ditance and then to Faster Time, each to no avail. Not sure if I should try Off Road too? FYI: both entrances are equally paved and gates are the same at both. However, the one difference is the further gate it insists upon is the one of the actual street address of the complex as I was saying before but as I also said, the location of my Home is not plotted by address of the complex, but the exact location of my unit. When approaching from the NE only however, I DO use that further entrance.

As far as the Via method goes, I'm not sure what you mean. I did set a Via point right inside the gate I wanted in advance and it chose the route that does go into that gate, but even though my home is just 200 feet away, as I said it routes me back OUT of that gate, around to the other side of the complex and then back into the far gate again. If there was an invisible "obstacle" at the preferred gate, it would also make me go around to get to that Via point from the far gate right? However, as I was saying, if I am currently inside the gate via GPS (and not just plotting in advance to test it) THEN it will take me to my Home correctly from there.



As far as the VIA is concerned, what I was getting at was if you have your preferred gate set as the viapoint then the Nuvi will route you there, which is good. What you say is that it immediately routes you back out the gate and to the other entrance. What I was suggesting was, ignore the instruction to go back out the gate and simply drive to your house, letting the Nuvi do as many recalculation as it wants to. You simply keep ignoring it until it realizes it can get you from your present location to your home the way you are going or you pull up to your home.

If the Nuvi does have some learning ability, like others have reported it does, then eventually it will learn that there is a direct route from the gate viapoint to your house and start using that route and stop attempting to route you back out the gate.

smiley1081 Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 12:26:15
Navteq sometimes uses data from outside sources, sometimes sends one of their vans, you can never know.

Try using the tank instead of the blue sports car. Maybe it will be able to gatecrash.
SWLinPHX Posted - 25 oct. 2007 : 10:17:37
Thank you both for your input.

I had Avoidances enabled, but only for Traffic and Toll Roads. But to test the theory, I will disable it completely and try again. The current Vehicle is a blue sports car.

I also tried Route Preference set both to Shorter Ditance and then to Faster Time, each to no avail. Not sure if I should try Off Road too? FYI: both entrances are equally paved and gates are the same at both. However, the one difference is the further gate it insists upon is the one of the actual street address of the complex as I was saying before but as I also said, the location of my Home is not plotted by address of the complex, but the exact location of my unit. When approaching from the NE only however, I DO use that further entrance.

I don't know much about Navteq. They actually scope each entrance of each facility on Earth to choose the best way to enter? I guess I assumed the software is programmed to find the shortest or fastest route using the roads it is displaying on its map.

As far as the Via method goes, I'm not sure what you mean. I did set a Via point right inside the gate I wanted in advance and it chose the route that does go into that gate, but even though my home is just 200 feet away, as I said it routes me back OUT of that gate, around to the other side of the complex and then back into the far gate again. If there was an invisible "obstacle" at the preferred gate, it would also make me go around to get to that Via point from the far gate right? However, as I was saying, if I am currently inside the gate via GPS (and not just plotting in advance to test it) THEN it will take me to my Home correctly from there.

This is too weird but I'll keep ya posted.

smiley1081 Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 16:43:33
quote:
Originally posted by SWLinPHX

There's gates at all 3 entrances. When I take MY entrance it shows my vehicle taking that road correctly on the map. You think it actually has complexes such as this pre-programmed as to how many gates there are and which are best to enter from despite showing the roads leading in from all 3?


Well, maybe the day Navteq mapped the complex, they entered from one gate, but the other two were closed. They registered them as closed, so the road is there, but there is an obstacle in the middle...
NanaimoRick Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 16:04:29
A couple of ideas/questions.

First, how have you got the Nuvi set as far as Vehicle and Road Avoidances are concerned (Settings - Navigation). There maybe some combination of one or both of these settings that cause the problem. For example, the mapping software may have one or more of the roads marked as unpaved and you have unpaved roads set as an avoidance. This could explain why it eventually lets you go the way you want, it simply runs out of any other alternatives to your house that would take you over paved roads. No idea if this will help but I'd start by turning off all the road avoidances and if you still have the problem try setting the Nuvi up using different vehicle designations to see if there is any change. It does take the vehicle being used into consideration when calculating routes so you never know.

Secondly, what would happen if you continue to use the VIA suggestion and let the Nuvi recalculate it brains out. I believe it does have some learning ability and will eventually understand that you are going to take a specific route even if it wants to calculate a different one. At that point it will begin to give you the correct/desired route.
SWLinPHX Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 15:48:42
There's gates at all 3 entrances. When I take MY entrance it shows my vehicle taking that road correctly on the map. You think it actually has complexes such as this pre-programmed as to how many gates there are and which are best to enter from despite showing the roads leading in from all 3?
smiley1081 Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 14:34:00
I still think that the navigator could consider something (the gates?) as an obstacle.
SWLinPHX Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 14:05:45
No, that's not it. As I said, once I DO turn into that entrance and road I want (when I am actually there with GPS tracking on and not just routing in advance) it will indeed have me continue on it from that direction and approach my home as desired. It just won't do this when routing in advance (with or without via points) nor will it do it as I am driving to my home, no matter how close to that entrance until I actually take that entrance and enter at that gate.

I guess I like challenges like this and seeing if someone can locate the problem and figure out what is wrong and why the software is doing this or what would need to be changed.
smiley1081 Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 13:54:13
Well, maybe the road inside the complex is labeled as a one-way road, or there is some kind of obstacle not readily apparent from the display, so the Nuvi is forced to rereout around it.
SWLinPHX Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 13:47:40
Well, I am trying to understand why this happens and what it is that causes this and would need to be changed. Isn't the device's software smart enough to know that as long as the road is there and shown on their map, it should go via the closest possible road/route? I thought this might be due to the fact that the entrance it chooses is the one of the actual street address of the complex, but as I said above, I added HOME by adding it while there at that location, not by address.
smiley1081 Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 12:18:52
Not unless Mapquest and Garmin change something in the mapping of the area you live in, or you move to a different area, no.
SWLinPHX Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 12:04:27
LOL, I guess no one has a solution for (or insight into) my problem, eh? :)
smiley1081 Posted - 24 oct. 2007 : 09:42:34
quote:
Originally posted by smiley1081

quote:
Originally posted by Jim1348

Interesting comment, and I suspect quite accurate. I am kind of getting into GPS and it is getting confusing for me. For people just coming to the plate it has to be even more comfusing.


Probably I am hopelessly IT, but a simple decision tree is sufficient.

Five question, more or less.

"Do you need Bluetooth? YES|NO"
"Do you need Traffic? YES|NO"
"Do you need a 4.3" screen? YES|NO"
"Do you need Text To Speech? YES|NO"
"Which map do you need? REGIONAL EUROPE|FULL EUROPE|NORAM|ICBM"



"Do you need TrackLog? YES|NO"
"Do you need Routes? YES|NO"
"Do you need Speed Limits? YES|NO"
"Do you need Salesman Optimisation? YES|NO"

Any other question I could add?
SWLinPHX Posted - 17 oct. 2007 : 05:56:00
Correction: my HOME was actually set precisely when I was standing there, not by address. My community name, however is saved as a different favorite by the address (which again is not the gate I usually take) and it was also plotted anyway on Garmin's map to begin with. I have tried setting the nuvi both ways (fastest route and shortest route) and no matter what it takes me around the long way to the further gate from my unit. I just experimented at home with my nuvi 660 and did what you suggested NanaimoRick, adding the location of the other two entrances and inserting them as VIA points. Believe it or not, it has me enter the road into my complex thru the gate I want (the specified VIA point) but THEN has me make a U-turn, exit that gate and make 4 right turns around the perimeter of my complex to enter back at that further gate on the opposite side!!! It wants me to approach my home from the East no matter what. However, when I have tested it while driving and I do NOT follow its suggested route, it has to recalculate a few times. Finally, when I am actually AT the closer gate and turned into the complex (or have it as SET LOCATION as if I am there), it will finally re-calculate to have me approach my home how I want, albeit at that point I am only 200 ft. away and have had to listen to all those annoying constant last-minute recalculations!

Do you know why this is? Although the map SHOWS all the roads leading into my complex from all three gates, and WILL guide me correctly at the last moment when I've entered the closer gate, it doesn't want to route me that way no matter how close I am until AFTER I have entered there and am so close, even with the VIA point inserted. FRUSTRATING!
NanaimoRick Posted - 16 oct. 2007 : 23:04:33
Most likely it would help. The other thing that you could do with any Nuvi model would be to use the co-ordinate function to save the location of all 3 entrances and then whenever you tell the Nuvi to take you HOME enter the entrance you will be using as the VIA point.

I have a similar situation, gated community with 2 entrances, but the problem I had was that the maps only knew about one of the entrances and I live about a half a block from the other one. I sent an update request to Navteq and the next year the other entrance made the new maps.
SWLinPHX Posted - 16 oct. 2007 : 21:47:18
I guess that wouldn't help me with my issue of changing its default routing to the ones I take (more direct). With my HOME for example, I have three different direct routes, depending on from how I am approaching: from the North, from the Northeast or from the South or West. It wants to make me take routes that lead to one entrance of my complex which has 3 entrances. Perhaps it is because the listed street address of my gated complex is at the entrance furthest from my unit, which I take less frequently. Maybe I need to set my home using coordinates instead of the street address of the complex. Would that help?
jmorton10 Posted - 15 oct. 2007 : 02:03:00
With the 700's, you can plan a bunch of waypoints & then make the unit include them in the route. That way you can force it to route however you want.

You can then save the route for use in the future.

~John
SWLinPHX Posted - 14 oct. 2007 : 23:07:17
I purchased my nuvi 660 in June and am curious about the 700 series. Is the only difference over my 660 the route planning? How exactly does it work? Do you map out exactly how you want to get somewhere before a trip then it will go that way? Can you SAVE a route for regular stops (like home, work, etc.) so that it "remembers" to take you the way you want from now on? I don't like it when on my routine destinations it guides me in some of the weirdest indirect paths. It keeps recalculating when I go the shorter way, and has to do that about 3 times until it finally "gets" the path I am taking.
jotne Posted - 14 oct. 2007 : 10:01:05
Tracklog info added for 2xx
jotne Posted - 10 oct. 2007 : 10:13:06
FM transmitter added to header of 7xx and removed from unit info, since all do have FM transmitter
smiley1081 Posted - 10 oct. 2007 : 08:42:42
I would have preferred an FM radio receiver (for audio, not TMC).

I mostly listen to radio, and having it on the Nuvi could help, the day I will get an AUX port on my radio.
bachastain Posted - 19 sept. 2007 : 18:16:03
Note for the beginning of this thread. The 750 also has an FM transmitter
according to the Garmin site.

Bruce.
SteveG14 Posted - 19 sept. 2007 : 16:33:30
I owned a nuvi 200 for a week. On a stormy night with heavy clouds , it lost satellite signal. Also it never could receive a signal in my house. I bought a nuvi 350 and I get at least 6 satellites in my home and have yet to lose a signal on the road. I believe it's the location of the antenna. And the nuvi 350 has an external antenna jack whereas the nuvi 200 does not. I would think they should have put a jack on the nuvi 200 since the internal antenna does not do as well as the 350. I would not purchase a 700 series unless it has a jack for an external antenna. What good is a gps if it's not reliable at all times under all conditions.
apersson850 Posted - 11 sept. 2007 : 00:43:56
In Garmin's case, it's a normal patch installed vertically at the back of the unit, in the 200/700 series.
gpspassion Posted - 10 sept. 2007 : 12:35:22
Yes, we'll probably need an article about this, but I've been pointing out for a while now that using a mini antenna placed on top or a normal one sideways is not good for GPS performance, particularly TTFF as it is harder to achieve the required 28dB-Hz signal level required to download the ephemeris data.
apersson850 Posted - 10 sept. 2007 : 12:17:29
I don't know what Garmin is going to do, but if you are hunting for optimum GPS performance, then the 300 is better than the 200, and the 600 better than the 700.
Being able to rotate the antenna to put it in the most favorable position makes a difference. Hence you can't say that the 700 in all aspects replaces the 600.
gpspassion Posted - 09 sept. 2007 : 20:10:24
Not sure how the Magellan 4040 came into the discussion here, but I would recommend a thorough read of the Magellan 4040 user feedback thread.

@jotne - thanks for updating the first topic, 21 systems to choose from, wow ;-) Maybe we can "retire" some models at some point (likely the 6xx) and put them at the bottom of the list for reference purposes.
jyw Posted - 09 sept. 2007 : 18:53:16
i think one more question to ask is: do i really have to stick with nuvi?
Maestro4040 has all your needs except traffic for $399 at Costco, and you have a life-time refund policy.
fatbody Posted - 08 sept. 2007 : 19:17:10
The 250w meets your needs except for tts which you list as optional. I saw several online stores selling it for less than $400. The cheapest I saw the 650 was $425 but that didn't include shipping or taxes (if applicable). I personally would not buy a 600 series with the 700 series coming so soon (Sep-Oct).

I had a 250 and now have a 200w. I don't notice the issues listed in the link from no clue. I don't see lagging and find that the position is accurate (I live in San Francisco and my experience has only been in the surrounding 200 miles). Recalculating routes has never taken more than 2-3 seconds on my device (maybe this is considered slow).
Boyd Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 20:30:48
Your criteria are similar to mine, and I got the 650. It was on sale for $500 at Best Buy last weekend.
allyn Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 20:12:52
the 650 is the right model for you based on your answers. but it is over $400 ($470 at amazon, perhaps slightly less elsewhere).

if you can live without text-to-speech, the 200W and 250W have the 4.3" widescreen for $352 and $392 (at amazon), respectively.
the 200W has continental united states, hawaii, puerto rico maps only, the 250W has alaska and canada too.
no clue Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 20:05:04
Since you rule out 2xx and 3xx series.
I don't think you can buy 6xx series under $400

Although 2xx(W) series is within your budget and still using SiRF III, but, I wouldn't really recommanded it just yet.

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=95930
microbiojen Posted - 07 sept. 2007 : 18:52:05
I want to buy a nuvi tomorrow, but after studying Garmin's comparison tool for three days I'm overwhelmed at the choices and the features! Hoping your encyclopedic product knowledge will help me narrow the field.

I read this thread with interest and I think the most helpful post is from smiley1081 18-Mar-07.
Here are my answers to that decision tree:
Do you need Bluetooth? NO
Do you need Traffic? NO
Do you need a 4.3" screen? YES
Do you need Text To Speech? YES, but will give it up if it brings the price into my budget range
Which map do you need? NORAM

Can I get all this for less than $400?

It's out of my price range for sure, but I am drooling over the Where Am I and the route planning offered on the 7x0's.

I've ruled out the 2x0's because of no SiRFstarIII and its small screen. And the 3x0's are out because of the screen size. To me, it looks like 650 is the least expensive model that meets all my needs.

Which model do you suggest, O Sages of Nuvi-land?

~Jen

[re-posting in this thread at moderator's request]
salsaguy Posted - 06 sept. 2007 : 19:53:53
Host/Moderators:

Need to add the 7xx series to the listing at the Sticky at the start of the thread
MikeF74 Posted - 23 août 2007 : 01:59:42
To the original poster, for the sake of completeness you should add the 200W and 250W to the first post.
dol Posted - 23 août 2007 : 00:18:00
quote:
Originally posted by maybaum

I have the Nuvi 670. Will the Travel Guide for Switzerland or Central Europe add to my built in capabilities or are they duplicative of what I already have installed.



I also have the 670 and when travelling to Switzerland and France I found it to be very POI scarse. For example it did not list Monoprix in Annecy.

"Garmin Travel Guide, Europe contains over 100,000 rich points of interest data for 20 countries"

I would read this as a more complete POI database.

MikeF74 Posted - 06 août 2007 : 21:22:37
Since someone resurrected this thread...

There is a new Nuvi 260 due out soon. It has the same features as the Nuvi 250, but has the addition of TTS (Text-To-Speech) for spoken street names.
maybaum Posted - 06 août 2007 : 21:03:07
I have the Nuvi 670. Will the Travel Guide for Switzerland or Central Europe add to my built in capabilities or are they duplicative of what I already have installed. I have read the description on the Garmin site but it is still not clear to me. I got my 670 in January this year.
SWLinPHX Posted - 10 juil. 2007 : 23:30:05
You mean the FM transmitter to patch into your radio??? That does not seem like the main feature to worry about. A larger screen, traffic receiver, speaking street names, etc. seems more important. I can just patch right into my car stereo system with the same audio output 1/8" cable I used for my iPod. However, I find the Garmin is loud enough on full volume without it.
allyn Posted - 10 juil. 2007 : 22:45:56
the fm transmitter is generally considered a disappointment. you might want to wipe the drool and search for some posts about it before deciding it is a must-have.
Hakuna07 Posted - 10 juil. 2007 : 22:25:02
Thanks Rick
That seems painfully obvious now. It also explains why the Canadian dealers don't list the nuvi 200 amongst their offerings.

I think I'll probably wait on the 250W if it's priced right as I would need to go all the way up to the 660 to get the only other feature I drool over which is the fm transmitter. Other than that, for use in Canada and the odd trip to the states, the nuvi 250 will do the trick. Hopefully it will drop closer to $300 Canadian once the 250W is released.
NanaimoRick Posted - 10 juil. 2007 : 19:19:29
Welcome to our Forum. You will see the coverage of the 200 (regional) on this page:

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=9160 and click the versions tab.

And the coverage on the 250 (Full Coverage) on https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=134&pID=9160 and again click the versions tab.

As you will see there is no regional coverage for Canada so it kind of rules out the 200 unless you are only going to use it in the US.
Hakuna07 Posted - 10 juil. 2007 : 17:53:53
Hi
Simple question here. What is the difference between "full coverage" and regional maps ie 200 versus 250. Am I going to run into "missing" zones with the 200.
I am in Canada.

thanks
smiley1081 Posted - 26 juin 2007 : 08:14:14
The 670 has everything loaded inside, the European and NorAm maps, no additional DVD is needed, I do not know if they put it in the box as a complimentary copy.
Rich Gibson Posted - 25 juin 2007 : 23:27:41
Hi, I've been scouring the site for several hours now and had some questions in order to help me decide on a particular unit. I've never owned a GPS so some questions might seem painfully naiive.

My wife and I travel to Europe once a year and drive around the U.S. I am looking for a device to both locate my current position and recommended routes to different locations. I've tentatively identified the Garmin 6xx series. Am I correct in understanding that in order to be informed of traffic problems you need an added function in the 660 and below (FM receiver)? As I understand it there are two different traffic advisory systems the one I just mentioned and Microsoft. Correct? If I get the 670 will it contain all the same information as that of the 650 with the extra added CD (for $274.00)?

What are the other mapping software packages which install in laptops? Do they correspond with the Garmin's internal maps or add or substitute it? We have no need for bluetooth though. We are traveling to Ireland in August and I'd hoped that this unit would help navigate around Ireland. Am I correct?

Have I misunderstood anything? Thanks very much for your patience.

Rich
SWLinPHX Posted - 18 juin 2007 : 07:11:51
I ordered then immediately sold the nuvi 650 on eBay and got the 660 at Costco.com's brief $499 price (even though the sale advertised at $599). I didn't need bluetooth (don't use or need a bluetooth phone, though both my computers, all my Palm Tungsten T3s and T5s and my DeLorme BlueLogger GPS receiver have bluetooth).

Then, I later realized that you don't get the AC adapter (I love to play with it indoors) or the custom leather case (nice to have) with the 650 either. I went to purchase those separately and found they ended up costing MORE than the 660 which comes with those! Add to the fact that it may be nice just to have bluetooth and also the FM transmitter (though I have a direct stereo input) and traffic receiver (which sounds cool) and I'm glad I changed my mind and upgraded immediately to the 660 (again for less total $). However, I did buy the external antenna and non-friction mount which both came highly recommended as I have a place in CA (windshield mounts illegal) as well as AZ.
smiley1081 Posted - 14 mai 2007 : 21:16:48
Uhm...

Me, I would never like to toy with the installed stuff on a Nuvi, I would always leave the maps as they are, and if I need an additional map I would get it on DVD and get a generic SD to put it on.

But this is only my opinion.

The only thing: backup everything!
alect Posted - 14 mai 2007 : 16:59:25
I am about the buy a Nuvi. We currently live in the US, and are about to go to Ireland for trip for which I wanted the unit. We are also likely to be visiting Europe occasionally, so I was thinking of the 370.

In 10 months we are moving to Australia to live.

There is quite a price difference between the 360 and 370. Having the Europe maps preloaded is handy, but is it worth the money. The 370 still seems good value as compared to buying the 360 plus the Europe City navigator maps software separately (which seems around $250). I don't suppose we can just "rent" a european garmin map every time we go Smile

So assume i get the 370 with the european maps preloaded, is it then possible to unload the european maps while we don't need them and load the Australian maps when we move there? Or is there enough memory to also load the Australian maps? Or will we be forced to buy an Australian SD card and have it permanently in the unit in order to use the Australian maps (seems like a less than optimal solution)?

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